Re: Cervical Cancer Vaccine

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

First I would like to clarify something. Calling this a cervical

cancer vaccine is just a sneaky marketing tactic by Big Pharma. I

mean, who wouldn't want to prevent cancer with a sho, rightt? This

is a vaccine for HPV (Human Papilloma Virus), which is associated

with some forms of cervical cancer. Unless you and your

are engaging in sex with multiple partners or promiscuous partners

( I tend to doubt that!), then neither of you is at risk for HPV.

Another thing is that YES this vaccine will contain mercury (it is

possible but not likely that there will be a mercury free version),

which in my opinion is a reason right there not to give it to

. But I see no reason at all to have this shot yourself if

you do not have risky sexual behavior. There are other causes of

cervical cancer, and this shot will not protect you from them, only

against HPV, a sexually transmitted disease. Truly, I cannot see a

reason for either of you to have this shot right now, but you will

have to decide if it appropriate for once she is likely to

become sexually active. If it were me, I would not do it.

> Hey Kathy,

> Can you tell us anything about the new cervical cancer vaccine that I

> heard about on the nightly news? Does it contain mercury? And what age

> groups are going to be getting it first. I am interested both for

> myself and but want to know the drawbacks. Thanks in

> advance!

>

> Diane ('s Mom)

>

[Guest guest]

What about rape?

I think that's reason enough to get it. 49% of

autistic women are sexually abused at least 10 times.

Yeah. As in 1% less than half. And these are just the

ones that get reported.

And it's currently approved for ages 9-26. My cousin,

who is 27, is hoping her doc is willing to go 1 year

off label. Because of things like rape.

Kassiane

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Hi Diane,

>

> First I would like to clarify something. Calling

> this a cervical

> cancer vaccine is just a sneaky marketing tactic by

> Big Pharma. I

> mean, who wouldn't want to prevent cancer with a

> sho, rightt? This

> is a vaccine for HPV (Human Papilloma Virus), which

> is associated

> with some forms of cervical cancer. Unless you and

> your

> are engaging in sex with multiple partners or

> promiscuous partners

> ( I tend to doubt that!), then neither of you is at

> risk for HPV.

> Another thing is that YES this vaccine will contain

> mercury (it is

> possible but not likely that there will be a mercury

> free version),

> which in my opinion is a reason right there not to

> give it to

> . But I see no reason at all to have this

> shot yourself if

> you do not have risky sexual behavior. There are

> other causes of

> cervical cancer, and this shot will not protect you

> from them, only

> against HPV, a sexually transmitted disease. Truly,

> I cannot see a

> reason for either of you to have this shot right

> now, but you will

> have to decide if it appropriate for once

> she is likely to

> become sexually active. If it were me, I would not

> do it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hey Kathy,

> > Can you tell us anything about the new cervical

> cancer vaccine that I

> > heard about on the nightly news? Does it contain

> mercury? And what age

> > groups are going to be getting it first. I am

> interested both for

> > myself and but want to know the

> drawbacks. Thanks in

> > advance!

> >

> > Diane ('s Mom)

> >

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

No what I heard, but good if it's the case.

> The vaccine, Gardasil, does not contain thimerosal or any other

> preservative.

>

> Alyson

[Guest guest]

Not that many women are jumping to admit this, but almost 10 years

ago, I contracted HPV. In the period of only a few months it caused

the growth of pre-cancerous cervical cells. The treatment at that

point is called a LEAP, where the cancer cells are frozen and removed

from the cervix. As a result the cervix is also reshaped, to put it

mildly. The procedure is usually done in the GYN office. It is not

pleasant and does not guarantee that the cancerous (pre-cancerous)

cells will not recur.

The question I pose to those contemplating the vaccine is this: Is

there or will there ever be a possibility that your child will become

sexually active with or without your knowledge?

I contracted HPV in a committed relationship. My partner had no clue

that he was carrying the virus.

[Guest guest]

I question the entire HPV thing. I have abnormal paps and the doc said

it was probably HPV. The thing is, I didn't have the " history " to have

contracted it. He never tested me for it. Makes me wonder how many

women out there actually are being accused of having HPV who really

don't or never did. The only way to confirm is through actual testing.

Like so many other things, my experience tells me there isn't accurate

data.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Did they test you for HPV?

Debi

>

> Not that many women are jumping to admit this, but almost 10 years

> ago, I contracted HPV. In the period of only a few months it caused

> the growth of pre-cancerous cervical cells. The treatment at that

> point is called a LEAP, where the cancer cells are frozen and removed

> from the cervix. As a result the cervix is also reshaped, to put it

> mildly. The procedure is usually done in the GYN office. It is not

> pleasant and does not guarantee that the cancerous (pre-cancerous)

> cells will not recur.

>

> The question I pose to those contemplating the vaccine is this: Is

> there or will there ever be a possibility that your child will become

> sexually active with or without your knowledge?

>

> I contracted HPV in a committed relationship. My partner had no clue

> that he was carrying the virus.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe that technology or science yet exists to create a vaccine

which is totally mercury free. In recent years, mercury compounds are not " *

added* " to the vaccines but there is still mercury involved in the

manufacture of vaccines. Probably the folks on a more biomed autism list

such as Autism-Mercury or Autism_iron or Autism-Immune would be able to

explain this better...

I totally agree with lynn2 on this one. Much better to watch over and

listen to our girls and their behavior than to let them - or us - be Guinea

Pigs for this vaccine. As the saying goes, there's no such thing as a free

lunch, meaning that vaccines have - as we too well know - unforeseen

effects, often do not work as planned, and frequently cause great harm.

I don't know about the rest of you but risky sexual practices are not on my

agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda... Like you, Sondra, I know from

personal experience what to guard against and to watch for...My DD is

verbal, and we homeschool, and we can discuss these topics, so I realize

that moms with less verbal girls might have different concerns. Not letting

my DD be in any situation where she is at risk has been in the forefront of

my prayers and choices for her (as I have no doubt it is for all of us moms

vis a vis our DDs.)

BTW, Diane, have I told you lately what a pretty name you gave your sweet

daughter? LOL

....

>

> The vaccine, Gardasil, does not contain thimerosal or any other

> preservative.

>

> Alyson

>

> cathylynn2 wrote:

>

> First I would like to clarify something. Calling this a cervical

> cancer vaccine is just a sneaky marketing tactic by Big Pharma. I

> mean, who wouldn't want to prevent cancer with a sho, rightt? This

> is a vaccine for HPV (Human Papilloma Virus), which is associated

> with some forms of cervical cancer. Unless you and your

> are engaging in sex with multiple partners or promiscuous partners

> ( I tend to doubt that!), then neither of you is at risk for HPV.

> Another thing is that YES this vaccine will contain mercury (it is

> possible but not likely that there will be a mercury free version),

> which in my opinion is a reason right there not to give it to

> . But I see no reason at all to have this shot yourself if

> you do not have risky sexual behavior. There are other causes of

> cervical cancer, and this shot will not protect you from them, only

> against HPV, a sexually transmitted disease. Truly, I cannot see a

> reason for either of you to have this shot right now, but you will

> have to decide if it appropriate for once she is likely to

> become sexually active. If it were me, I would not do it.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hey Kathy,

> > Can you tell us anything about the new cervical cancer vaccine that I

> > heard about on the nightly news? Does it contain mercury? And what age

> > groups are going to be getting it first. I am interested both for

> > myself and but want to know the drawbacks. Thanks in

> > advance!

> >

> > Diane ('s Mom)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- Mateosian wrote:

> I don't know about the rest of you but risky sexual

> practices are not on my

> agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda

It wasn't on my agenda either.

Now go tell my stepdad that. Or the next gynecologist

who faints upon seeing all the scar tissue.

It's not on ANYONE'S agenda. And as for

mercury...there isn't even a *measurable*amount* in

ANYTHING but the flu shots anymore. A kid died of

measles in great britain, mumps is epidemic here,

because of the vaccine hysteria.

Kassiane

more than a little irritated at everyone saying that

all autism is mercury poisoning and it's from vaccines

when every single one of us is exposed to MORE mercury

daily than in shots *ever*

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you seem to have taken offense at my post, Kassi,

If you re-read what I wrote, you will see that I tried to

say that our own sexual abuse experiences should make

us especially alert to protecting our DDs and listening to

their words and especially their behavior to ensure their

safety from similar trauma.

There is more to the story about the child who died from

measles in Great Britain than not being vaccinated...

As for anyone saying that all autism is mercury poisoning,

if you read my words, I never suggested that. I did suggest

if you or anyone needed details about the actual ingredients

of vaccinations - especially current vaccinations - that those

lists have more accurate information than I have at my finger-

tips, tonight. Looks like a choice to be annoyed at what I

never said.

Please, let me say in the most respectful and loving way possible

two things. First, I am deeply sorry for your trauma. I empathize

but that doesn't change it, I know. Second, l am very aware of

how at risk our DDs are. I am older than most of you (didn't have

my DD until my 40s) and for a number of reasons am able to

devote all my time and energy to educating and protecting my

DD. I realize this is not the case for everyone. I even realize that,

eventually, it may not be sufficient for my own DD, may God forbid.

Nonetheless, it is important to remember that with *any medical*

*procedure *there are often side effects that are hidden from the

public until it is too late... and it is equally important to remember

that we are all moms who care about and respect each other and

all of our efforts to care for our DDs.

*I am genuinely sorry that I didn't state my ideas in a way that *

*didn't offend you.*

And FWIW, I personally think that undiagnosed low thyroid

hormone (esp, low Free T3, and thyroid autoantibodies,) as well

as low iodine, low selenium, low zinc, and iron overload, and even

early cord-clamping, and infections such as Lyme, Bartonella,

Erlichia, and Babesia, are among some of the other possible

factors which result in autism...

As alway YMMV...

....

>

> --- Mateosian wrote:

>

> > I don't know about the rest of you but risky sexual

> > practices are not on my

> > agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda

>

> It wasn't on my agenda either.

>

> Now go tell my stepdad that. Or the next gynecologist

> who faints upon seeing all the scar tissue.

>

> It's not on ANYONE'S agenda. And as for

> mercury...there isn't even a *measurable*amount* in

> ANYTHING but the flu shots anymore. A kid died of

> measles in great britain, mumps is epidemic here,

> because of the vaccine hysteria.

>

> Kassiane

> more than a little irritated at everyone saying that

> all autism is mercury poisoning and it's from vaccines

> when every single one of us is exposed to MORE mercury

> daily than in shots *ever*

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I agree!!!

Diane ('s Mom)

Re: Cervical Cancer Vaccine

I don't believe that technology or science yet exists to create a vaccine

which is totally mercury free. In recent years, mercury compounds are not " *

added* " to the vaccines but there is still mercury involved in the

manufacture of vaccines. Probably the folks on a more biomed autism list

such as Autism-Mercury or Autism_iron or Autism-Immune would be able to

explain this better...

I totally agree with lynn2 on this one. Much better to watch over and

listen to our girls and their behavior than to let them - or us - be Guinea

Pigs for this vaccine. As the saying goes, there's no such thing as a free

lunch, meaning that vaccines have - as we too well know - unforeseen

effects, often do not work as planned, and frequently cause great harm.

I don't know about the rest of you but risky sexual practices are not on my

agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda... Like you, Sondra, I know from

personal experience what to guard against and to watch for...My DD is

verbal, and we homeschool, and we can discuss these topics, so I realize

that moms with less verbal girls might have different concerns. Not letting

my DD be in any situation where she is at risk has been in the forefront of

my prayers and choices for her (as I have no doubt it is for all of us moms

vis a vis our DDs.)

BTW, Diane, have I told you lately what a pretty name you gave your sweet

daughter? LOL

....

>

> The vaccine, Gardasil, does not contain thimerosal or any other

> preservative.

>

> Alyson

>

> cathylynn2 wrote:

>

> First I would like to clarify something. Calling this a cervical

> cancer vaccine is just a sneaky marketing tactic by Big Pharma. I

> mean, who wouldn't want to prevent cancer with a sho, rightt? This

> is a vaccine for HPV (Human Papilloma Virus), which is associated

> with some forms of cervical cancer. Unless you and your

> are engaging in sex with multiple partners or promiscuous partners

> ( I tend to doubt that!), then neither of you is at risk for HPV.

> Another thing is that YES this vaccine will contain mercury (it is

> possible but not likely that there will be a mercury free version),

> which in my opinion is a reason right there not to give it to

> . But I see no reason at all to have this shot yourself if

> you do not have risky sexual behavior. There are other causes of

> cervical cancer, and this shot will not protect you from them, only

> against HPV, a sexually transmitted disease. Truly, I cannot see a

> reason for either of you to have this shot right now, but you will

> have to decide if it appropriate for once she is likely to

> become sexually active. If it were me, I would not do it.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hey Kathy,

> > Can you tell us anything about the new cervical cancer vaccine that I

> > heard about on the nightly news? Does it contain mercury? And what age

> > groups are going to be getting it first. I am interested both for

> > myself and but want to know the drawbacks. Thanks in

> > advance!

> >

> > Diane ('s Mom)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kassi, there's a good reason to have the vaccine " hysteria " . A child

dying from any disease is heartbreaking. I don't know that it was

mercury per se that caused Allie's health problems, but I do know it

was a hepB shot that triggered it. I think most experts in autism

research believe there is a genetic component and environmental

trigger. Allie hasn't been proven to have mercury poisoning yet

without a doubt, but she is definitely off the charts with aluminum

poisoning. Where did it come from? She has rarely eaten bread, doesn't

use deodorant, and most of her food is prepared on stoneware and

ceramics. I'm not saying there isn't a place other than vaccines, but

I do know a 3 year old typically should not have so much aluminum in

her hair that it can't even be measured in the high end. BTW, every

skin care product she used for 1 year was checked by me, none had any

aluminum product listed.

The MMR never had thimerosal in it, so that's not the cause of the MMR

fear. The fear is that so many parents have seen their child develop

severe gastrointestinal problems after getting the shot. I think it's

largely the government's fault for not offering separate shots, rather

than the MMR combined. That's what researchers like Wafefield have

argued all along. If the gov was truly concerned with disease

outbreaks, they would offer these. Why don't they? Probably because

the rates of gastroinestinal problems would decrease when the body

isn't assaulted with a 3-in-1 combo.

How many of those getting mumps have been immunized? It's my

understanding a great deal have. Therefore it's not vaccine hysteria

causing the outbreak, it's the failure of the vaccine to do its

intended job. That is yet another problem, but we won't hear about

that in the media, only " get more shots " while they don't tell you the

first didn't do what it was supposed to. I for one am not comfortable

getting my children or myself a medical procedure that didn't do what

it was supposed to with side effects my family has shown a clear

history to develop from these vaccines. ( had a reaction to

MMR for 3-4 days.)

Debi

>

> > I don't know about the rest of you but risky sexual

> > practices are not on my

> > agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda

>

> It wasn't on my agenda either.

>

> Now go tell my stepdad that. Or the next gynecologist

> who faints upon seeing all the scar tissue.

>

> It's not on ANYONE'S agenda. And as for

> mercury...there isn't even a *measurable*amount* in

> ANYTHING but the flu shots anymore. A kid died of

> measles in great britain, mumps is epidemic here,

> because of the vaccine hysteria.

>

> Kassiane

> more than a little irritated at everyone saying that

> all autism is mercury poisoning and it's from vaccines

> when every single one of us is exposed to MORE mercury

> daily than in shots *ever*

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Whatever. Y'all are always right. No matter what, the

NT folks always have to be right, regardless of what

it's about.

Or so called NTs. I've seen more perseveration than I

care to remember from " it's not OUR genes! " parents.

I just hope your kids are in the lucky less than 50%

(given underreporting).

Y'all are all right. Good for you. Not like any of you

have had metal poisoning and know what it does and

doesn't look like. Not like certain natural laws

apply.

Go on and think y'all are right. i'm tired of fighting

people who won't look at science (the real kind. What

the geiers are doing isn't science) and just " KNOW "

they're correct.

Kassiane

who HAS had metal poisoning, IS autistic, and reads

and understands science.

--- Debi wrote:

> Kassi, there's a good reason to have the vaccine

> " hysteria " . A child

> dying from any disease is heartbreaking. I don't

> know that it was

> mercury per se that caused Allie's health problems,

> but I do know it

> was a hepB shot that triggered it. I think most

> experts in autism

> research believe there is a genetic component and

> environmental

> trigger. Allie hasn't been proven to have mercury

> poisoning yet

> without a doubt, but she is definitely off the

> charts with aluminum

> poisoning. Where did it come from? She has rarely

> eaten bread, doesn't

> use deodorant, and most of her food is prepared on

> stoneware and

> ceramics. I'm not saying there isn't a place other

> than vaccines, but

> I do know a 3 year old typically should not have so

> much aluminum in

> her hair that it can't even be measured in the high

> end. BTW, every

> skin care product she used for 1 year was checked by

> me, none had any

> aluminum product listed.

>

> The MMR never had thimerosal in it, so that's not

> the cause of the MMR

> fear. The fear is that so many parents have seen

> their child develop

> severe gastrointestinal problems after getting the

> shot. I think it's

> largely the government's fault for not offering

> separate shots, rather

> than the MMR combined. That's what researchers like

> Wafefield have

> argued all along. If the gov was truly concerned

> with disease

> outbreaks, they would offer these. Why don't they?

> Probably because

> the rates of gastroinestinal problems would decrease

> when the body

> isn't assaulted with a 3-in-1 combo.

>

> How many of those getting mumps have been immunized?

> It's my

> understanding a great deal have. Therefore it's not

> vaccine hysteria

> causing the outbreak, it's the failure of the

> vaccine to do its

> intended job. That is yet another problem, but we

> won't hear about

> that in the media, only " get more shots " while they

> don't tell you the

> first didn't do what it was supposed to. I for one

> am not comfortable

> getting my children or myself a medical procedure

> that didn't do what

> it was supposed to with side effects my family has

> shown a clear

> history to develop from these vaccines. (

> had a reaction to

> MMR for 3-4 days.)

>

> Debi

>

>

> >

> > > I don't know about the rest of you but risky

> sexual

> > > practices are not on my

> > > agenda nor will rape be on my DD's agenda

> >

> > It wasn't on my agenda either.

> >

> > Now go tell my stepdad that. Or the next

> gynecologist

> > who faints upon seeing all the scar tissue.

> >

> > It's not on ANYONE'S agenda. And as for

> > mercury...there isn't even a *measurable*amount*

> in

> > ANYTHING but the flu shots anymore. A kid died of

> > measles in great britain, mumps is epidemic here,

> > because of the vaccine hysteria.

> >

> > Kassiane

> > more than a little irritated at everyone saying

> that

> > all autism is mercury poisoning and it's from

> vaccines

> > when every single one of us is exposed to MORE

> mercury

> > daily than in shots *ever*

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Gee Kassi, I'll take this as a bad night for you. You know me better

than what you've just said, at least you should by now.

And, actually two of my three kids had pertussis this past winter.

According to CDC's own data, 46% of those immunized age few months to

4 yrs old whose immunization status was known were FULLY IMMUNIZED.

Check out the CDC's own website, I can link you if interested. Based

on your own argument, if you get your child immunized, you're taking

the same 50/50 I am, only I'm avoiding the risk of vaccine injury.

Note, I'm not talking *autism*, I'm talking gut injury, metal

poisoning, and immune assault.

So what is the science saying regarding those contracting mumps vs.

those fully immunized? What does science say when my daughter has

aluminum off the charts and no known source other than the vaccines?

Why is it that she is the only one who's allowed to comment because

she's the one with aluminum? I'm not following you there.

I'm not asking you to fight or saying I'm right or any of that, I'm

only commenting on your posting that asserted anyone who doesn't

vaccinate is wrong. I disagree, why is that a fight? YOU are the one

making it a fight. There's no need to fight here, so stop playing the

martyr.

Debi

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