Re: Special needs children being used for violence

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Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies. It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all human beings. Of course what that specific group has done was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too. Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as good and bad people is to promote war.PatSent from my iPhone

This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.

changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

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Hi, Pat.

I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and

appreciate your response!

-dianne in CA

 

Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all

people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies.

It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all

human beings. Of course what that specific group has done

was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too.

Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well

that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual

disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I

am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled

such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for

that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use

that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as

good and bad people is to promote war.

Pat

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This is an amazing story, and

will hopefully help us all realize who our friends

are and who our enemies are.

 

 

 

Prayer

changes things.

~ Multi-faceted Jules

 

Wherever I stand, I stand with

Israel.

 

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just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28

Hi, Pat.

I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and

appreciate your response!

-dianne in CA

Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all

people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies.

It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all

human beings. Of course what that specific group has done

was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too.

Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well

that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual

disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I

am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled

such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for

that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use

that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as

good and bad people is to promote war.

Pat

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2011, at 7:31 AM, " Dinkins-Borkowski"

wrote:

This is an amazing story, and

will hopefully help us all realize who our friends

are and who our enemies are.

Prayer

changes things. ~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with

Israel.

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this message.

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just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28

Hi, Pat.

I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and

appreciate your response!

-dianne in CA

Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all

people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies.

It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all

human beings. Of course what that specific group has done

was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too.

Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well

that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual

disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I

am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled

such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for

that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use

that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as

good and bad people is to promote war.

Pat

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2011, at 7:31 AM, " Dinkins-Borkowski"

wrote:

This is an amazing story, and

will hopefully help us all realize who our friends

are and who our enemies are.

Prayer

changes things. ~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with

Israel.

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Wow, I reposted on my facebook... its horrifying....

This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.

Prayer changes things.

~ Multi-faceted Jules

Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

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I must agree with on this. There are NO reasons to blow up an innocent child, and I am surprised anyone on this list would make a statement like that.

 

“But we the palestineans have their reasons, too” Weather ‘we’ or ‘the’ I had major chest pains when I read that statement.  I am so upset right now I just want to go throw up.  There is NO reason to blow up an innocent child with Down syndrome.  I do not care how repressed you think are as a nation. 

 Did the Jews blow up people with special needs when they were being killed by the millions in concentration camps?  No they did not.  Did Israel dance in the streets when 9-11 killed 3000 innocents on our soil?  No they did not.  Did other terrorist nations?  Do they still?

 And much worse than that is the silence that is deafening from people who refuse to take a stand against that kind of violence. 

 Prayer changes things.

~ Multi-faceted Jules

 Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

 From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Almeida

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:02 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence

   just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.

Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville

Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28

  Hi, Pat.I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and appreciate your response!-dianne in CA

  Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies. It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all human beings. Of course what that specific group has done was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too. Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as good and bad people is to promote war.

PatSent from my iPhone

  This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are. 

  Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules 

Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. 

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I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.PatSent from my iPad

I must agree with on this. There are NO reasons to blow up an innocent child, and I am surprised anyone on this list would make a statement like that.

“But we the palestineans have their reasons, too†Weather ‘we’ or ‘the’ I had major chest pains when I read that statement. I am so upset right now I just want to go throw up. There is NO reason to blow up an innocent child with Down syndrome. I do not care how repressed you think are as a nation.

Did the Jews blow up people with special needs when they were being killed by the millions in concentration camps? No they did not. Did Israel dance in the streets when 9-11 killed 3000 innocents on our soil? No they did not. Did other terrorist nations? Do they still?

And much worse than that is the silence that is deafening from people who refuse to take a stand against that kind of violence.

Prayer changes things.

~ Multi-faceted Jules

Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Almeida

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:02 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence

just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.

Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville

Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28

Hi, Pat.I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and appreciate your response!-dianne in CA

Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies. It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all human beings. Of course what that specific group has done was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too. Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as good and bad people is to promote war.

PatSent from my iPhone

This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.

Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules

Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

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“But we the palestineans have their reasons, too†Weather ‘we’ or ‘the’ I had major chest pains when I read that statement.  I am so upset right now I just want to go throw up.  There is NO reason to blow up an innocent child with Down syndrome.  I do not care how repressed you think are as a nation.  Did the Jews blow up people with special needs when they were being killed by the millions in concentration camps?  No they did not.  Did Israel dance in the streets when 9-11 killed 3000 innocents on our soil?  No they did not.  Did other terrorist nations?  Do they still? And much worse than that is the silence that is deafening from people who refuse to take a stand against that kind of violence.  Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:02 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28 Hi, Pat.I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and appreciate your response!-dianne in CA Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies. It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all human beings. Of course what that specific group has done was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too. Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as good and bad people is to promote war.PatSent from my iPhone This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.

changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3661 - Release Date: 05/26/11

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By the way, standing up against terrorist using children as suicide bombers is NOT promoting war. Using children as suicide bombers is promoting war.  We are not promoting war. Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:02 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence just read my message and wanted to rectify - I meant the Palestinians, not we, Palestinians. I am not a Palestinian. Not that I think that it makes any difference.Pat--- Em qui, 26/5/11, Dianne Tourville escreveu:De: Dianne Tourville Assunto: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violencePara: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Quinta-feira, 26 de Maio de 2011, 19:28 Hi, Pat.I had not heard of this story, but I definitely agree with and appreciate your response!-dianne in CA Its a terrible mistake to generalize and label all people from one group as good or bad, friends and enemies. It only promotes hate. We should be considered by all human beings. Of course what that specific group has done was wrong. But we palestineans have their reasons, too. Mind you, i am not justifying their act. I remember well that story and, as parent of a girl with intelectual disability was angry, scared and fearful as anyone here. I am also happy about hoe the israelean soldiers handled such a difficul situation and praise and thank them for that - i havent heard the full story before. But to use that to try to separate the israelean and palestineans as good and bad people is to promote war.PatSent from my iPhone This is an amazing story, and will hopefully help us all realize who our friends are and who our enemies are.

changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3661 - Release Date: 05/26/11

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Oh I would not go so far as to say that killing is never justified, at least for me.  Break into my house and attempt to hurt my family, we are talking justified in my opinion.  And I would not hesitate to use what I have been trained to use, and have a license to carry.  But that is far different than the original direction of the subject line. Romero Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply.  Speak kindly. Leave the rest to GodWherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:09 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way. PatSent from my iPad

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Amen!

 

Oh I would not go so far as to say that killing is never justified, at least for me.  Break into my house and attempt to hurt my family, we are talking justified in my opinion.  And I would not hesitate to use what I have been trained to use, and have a license to carry. 

 But that is far different than the original direction of the subject line.

  Romero

 Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply.  Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God

Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.

 From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Almeida

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:09 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being used for violence

   I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.

 PatSent from my iPad

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I would never have a gun at home. This has had alarming number of deaths among

innocents, whereas in countries where guns purchase is restricted the numbers

have fallen.

And this has everything to do with the original subject.

I prefer to believe in Sartre, who said - violence of any kind is always defeat,

or II - violence destroys what it is supposed to defend - life dignity

and human freedom.

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No guns allowed in my house either ! To many "accidents" and I love my kids and want to grow old with them with me.

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Hmmm, my kids are all older now. My oldest turns 24 next week, and he has his CHL, and my husband and I will soon. I feel much safer when he's (son) around! Recently there have been a rash of robberies here in the Houston area. Some young punks were following people out of the Apple store to their homes. When the family got out of the car, the punks would rob them. Well, they finally picked the wrong family in a neighborhood right behind my kids' high school! The father had his CHL. He ran away from his family, causing the gunman to chase him. The father pulled his gun and shot the punk! The next door neighbor was also a gun owner and came to the family's aid. The next week, another similar situation occurred in town. A man was stealing purses in an office building. One of the male employees happened upon him and shot him after the criminal pulled his gun on him.

And Pat, I'm pretty sure your information is incorrect. I've read just the opposite. I'm proud to live in Texas where I'm allowed to defend myself.Shari

 

No guns allowed in my house either !  To many " accidents " and I love my kids and want to grow old with them with me.

 

 

* Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being> > used for violence> >> >> >> >> >> > I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow> > up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.> >> >> >> > Pat> >> >> > Sent from my iPad> >> > > >>

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FYI:  CHL is Concealed Handgun License

Hmmm, my kids are all older now. My oldest turns 24 next week, and he has his CHL, and my husband and I will soon. I feel much safer when he's (son) around!

Recently there have been a rash of robberies here in the Houston area. Some young punks were following people out of the Apple store to their homes. When the family got out of the car, the punks would rob them. Well, they finally picked the wrong family in a neighborhood right behind my kids' high school! The father had his CHL. He ran away from his family, causing the gunman to chase him. The father pulled his gun and shot the punk! The next door neighbor was also a gun owner and came to the family's aid. The next week, another similar situation occurred in town. A man was stealing purses in an office building. One of the male employees happened upon him and shot him after the criminal pulled his gun on him.

And Pat, I'm pretty sure your information is incorrect. I've read just the opposite. I'm proud to live in Texas where I'm allowed to defend myself.Shari

 

No guns allowed in my house either !  To many " accidents " and I love my kids and want to grow old with them with me.

 

 

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OMG Shari that is really scary. Just this week we have had two separate incidences just one town over (about 11 miles away). There is a water park that the homeschool groups meet at and a weirdo was out there being creepy and came up to someone’s car door only to expose himself. Then at the pool in the same city a creepy guy tried to follow two young girls into the bathroom. The police were called in both incidences but I do not know if they got him. I won’t pretend there is an increase in crime going on here, but it hits home when it is close. A couple years ago we had a home invader and that sucker was just lucky that he ran out and jumped the fence when my husband woke up and chased him with only his “sponge bob” boxer shorts on! I We are never out to kill someone, but my husband nor I will not let our family get harmed. We are also glad to live in Texas where people know that we will protect each other if threatened with bodily harm. We are also responsible gun owners, as are our neighbors. There are safety issues and responsibilities to make sure the guns are secure, but it is no different than making sure sharp knives, prescription drugs and poisons are not in the reach of young minds and hands. Im just sayin. Plenty of innocents die that way too, and no one is talking about banning knives or household chemicals. Besides, the neighbors make great deer sausage and deer fajitas after hunting season, and we are not giving that up! The deer are plentiful and some seasons we have too many to deal with in the hill country. Fortunately, the “State’s Rights” take over when it comes to gun control. The feds can regulate it if we sell guns across the state lines, but if a gun maker is in Texas and they only operate and sell guns in Texas, then none of the federal laws apply. As far as Texas is concerned, there will be no federal ban on guns that affects us. Thank God. Ok, I am rambling. Going to make meh another margarita!!! …God Blessed Texas, with His two hands….! Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Shari FlemingSent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:59 PMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence FYI: CHL is Concealed Handgun License Hmmm, my kids are all older now. My oldest turns 24 next week, and he has his CHL, and my husband and I will soon. I feel much safer when he's (son) around! Recently there have been a rash of robberies here in the Houston area. Some young punks were following people out of the Apple store to their homes. When the family got out of the car, the punks would rob them. Well, they finally picked the wrong family in a neighborhood right behind my kids' high school! The father had his CHL. He ran away from his family, causing the gunman to chase him. The father pulled his gun and shot the punk! The next door neighbor was also a gun owner and came to the family's aid. The next week, another similar situation occurred in town. A man was stealing purses in an office building. One of the male employees happened upon him and shot him after the criminal pulled his gun on him. And Pat, I'm pretty sure your information is incorrect. I've read just the opposite. I'm proud to live in Texas where I'm allowed to defend myself.Shari No guns allowed in my house either ! To many " accidents " and I love my kids and want to grow old with them with me. * Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being> > used for violence> >> >> >> >> >> > I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow> > up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.> >> >> >> > Pat> >> >> > Sent from my iPad> >> > > >>

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I am a Brazilian currently living in NY. Yes, we have a very high gun violence number, unfortunatelly. But you have to consider that Brazil is a developing country and our reality is way different from the US. There are striking social differences, but we are gradually finally starting to change that. Recently we had a shooting at a school in Rio, just like the ones that have occurred in Columbine and Virginia. A young man that had been a victim of bullying at the school killed 11 children aged 12 and 13. I had an article published at the bigest newspaper in the country entitled The price of Exclusion, arguing that more inclusive schools could prevent situations like those. The killer had mental problems. This event was the first of that kind in Brazil and now society is fighting for banning fire guns. There will be a referendum next year.PatSent from my iPad

Interesting. I have always read reverse statistics than that. Gun restrictions statistically have proven to increase gun violence. You are in Brazil, right? Did you know Although Brazil has 110 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths? Other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:17 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence I would never have a gun at home. This has had alarming number of deaths among innocents, whereas in countries where guns purchase is restricted the numbers have fallen.And this has everything to do with the original subject.I prefer to believe in Sartre, who said - violence of any kind is always defeat, or II - violence destroys what it is supposed to defend - life dignity and human freedom.Pat> > >> >> > Oh I would not go so far as to say that killing is never justified, at> > least for me. Break into my house and attempt to hurt my family, we are> > talking justified in my opinion. And I would not hesitate to use what I> > have been trained to use, and have a license to carry.> >> >> >> > But that is far different than the original direction of the subject line.> >> >> >> > * Romero*> >> > * *> >> > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to> > God> >> > Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.> >> >> >> > *From:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:> > DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] *On Behalf Of * Almeida> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:09 PM> > *To:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange > > *Subject:* Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being> > used for violence> >> >> >> >> >> > I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow> > up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.> >> >> >> > Pat> >> >> > Sent from my iPad> >> > > >>

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Interesting. I have always read reverse statistics than that. Gun restrictions statistically have proven to increase gun violence. You are in Brazil, right? Did you know Although Brazil has 110 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths? Other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:17 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence I would never have a gun at home. This has had alarming number of deaths among innocents, whereas in countries where guns purchase is restricted the numbers have fallen.And this has everything to do with the original subject.I prefer to believe in Sartre, who said - violence of any kind is always defeat, or II - violence destroys what it is supposed to defend - life dignity and human freedom.Pat> > >> >> > Oh I would not go so far as to say that killing is never justified, at> > least for me. Break into my house and attempt to hurt my family, we are> > talking justified in my opinion. And I would not hesitate to use what I> > have been trained to use, and have a license to carry.> >> >> >> > But that is far different than the original direction of the subject line.> >> >> >> > * Romero*> >> > * *> >> > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to> > God> >> > Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.> >> >> >> > *From:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:> > DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] *On Behalf Of * Almeida> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:09 PM> > *To:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange > > *Subject:* Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being> > used for violence> >> >> >> >> >> > I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow> > up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.> >> >> >> > Pat> >> >> > Sent from my iPad> >> > > >>

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Criminals will alway have guns - the guns will be there, no matter the cost. Look at Mexico. As the old saying goes, "Guns don't kill people; people do."Sent from my iPhone

I am a Brazilian currently living in NY. Yes, we have a very high gun violence number, unfortunatelly. But you have to consider that Brazil is a developing country and our reality is way different from the US. There are striking social differences, but we are gradually finally starting to change that. Recently we had a shooting at a school in Rio, just like the ones that have occurred in Columbine and Virginia. A young man that had been a victim of bullying at the school killed 11 children aged 12 and 13. I had an article published at the bigest newspaper in the country entitled The price of Exclusion, arguing that more inclusive schools could prevent situations like those. The killer had mental problems. This event was the first of that kind in Brazil and now society is fighting for banning fire guns. There will be a referendum next year.PatSent from my iPad

Interesting. I have always read reverse statistics than that. Gun restrictions statistically have proven to increase gun violence. You are in Brazil, right? Did you know Although Brazil has 110 million fewer citizens than the United States, and more restrictive gun laws, there are 50% more gun deaths? Other sources indicate that homicide rates due to guns are approximately four times higher than the rate in the United States. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:17 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence I would never have a gun at home. This has had alarming number of deaths among innocents, whereas in countries where guns purchase is restricted the numbers have fallen.And this has everything to do with the original subject.I prefer to believe in Sartre, who said - violence of any kind is always defeat, or II - violence destroys what it is supposed to defend - life dignity and human freedom.Pat> > >> >> > Oh I would not go so far as to say that killing is never justified, at> > least for me. Break into my house and attempt to hurt my family, we are> > talking justified in my opinion. And I would not hesitate to use what I> > have been trained to use, and have a license to carry.> >> >> >> > But that is far different than the original direction of the subject line.> >> >> >> > * Romero*> >> > * *> >> > Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to> > God> >> > Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.> >> >> >> > *From:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:> > DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] *On Behalf Of * Almeida> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:09 PM> > *To:* DownSyndromeInfoExchange > > *Subject:* Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Special needs children being> > used for violence> >> >> >> >> >> > I totally agree with you, too, . I didnt say they had reasons to blow> > up a child. For me No reason justifies killing anyone in any way.> >> >> >> > Pat> >> >> > Sent from my iPad> >> > > >>

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We have been living here for 2,5 Years now. We will probably stay another couple of years. My country is very beautiful and so is yours. We have very active parents groups in Brazil. I am an active member of the Brazilian national federation of associations and we have a yahoogroup with over 1700 people. Also great self-advocates and some young people who graduated at college. The health system, although public and free for all, is very limited. Very few public schools have therapists like here. There is still a long way to go. We have good legislation, though, guaranteeing inclusion on education. The trouble is getting it to work ... Right now we are fighting institutions that get a lot of money from the government to keep segregated schools that could be invested in schools for all . There are stories of people who go in as babies and stay at the same place until they die. It is very depressing. In some things we are 10, maybe 20 years behind compared to the US, Canada or the UK. PatSent from my iPad

I remember the school shooting in Brazil. What a horrible tragedy. My heart goes out to your country. I fear as our economy worsens and as unemployment rises we may see an increase in violence as well. I pray that does not happen. Inclusion has it’s good and bad points, but I am starting to wonder if we need to look inside ourselves for the change we seek in the world before we look toward public services to do it. I am a firm believer that you cannot legislate morality. Anyway, welcome to America. Are you here to stay? I hear that Brazil is a beautiful country. How are the support groups in Brazil for children born with down syndrome? Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:24 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence I am a Brazilian currently living in NY. Yes, we have a very high gun violence number, unfortunatelly. But you have to consider that Brazil is a developing country and our reality is way different from the US. There are striking social differences, but we are gradually finally starting to change that. Recently we had a shooting at a school in Rio, just like the ones that have occurred in Columbine and Virginia. A young man that had been a victim of bullying at the school killed 11 children aged 12 and 13. I had an article published at the bigest newspaper in the country entitled The price of Exclusion, arguing that more inclusive schools could prevent situations like those. The killer had mental problems. This event was the first of that kind in Brazil and now society is fighting for banning fire guns. There will be a referendum next year. PatSent from my iPadSwitch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use.

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I remember the school shooting in Brazil.  What a horrible tragedy.  My heart goes out to your country.  I fear as our economy worsens and as unemployment rises we may see an increase in violence as well.  I pray that does not happen.  Inclusion has it’s good and bad points, but I am starting to wonder if we need to look inside ourselves for the change we seek in the world before we look toward public services to do it.  I am a firm believer that you cannot legislate morality.  Anyway, welcome to America.  Are you here to stay?  I hear that Brazil is a beautiful country.  How are the support groups in Brazil for children born with down syndrome? Prayer changes things.~ Multi-faceted Jules Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of AlmeidaSent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:24 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Special needs children being used for violence I am a Brazilian currently living in NY. Yes, we have a very high gun violence number, unfortunatelly. But you have to consider that Brazil is a developing country and our reality is way different from the US. There are striking social differences, but we are gradually finally starting to change that. Recently we had a shooting at a school in Rio, just like the ones that have occurred in Columbine and Virginia. A young man that had been a victim of bullying at the school killed 11 children aged 12 and 13. I had an article published at the bigest newspaper in the country entitled The price of Exclusion, arguing that more inclusive schools could prevent situations like those. The killer had mental problems. This event was the first of that kind in Brazil and now society is fighting for banning fire guns. There will be a referendum next year. PatSent from my iPadSwitch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use.

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I agree! Responsible gun ownership means being safe. You own a vehicle I assume? Do you handle the keys to that responsibly? I would assume so. No difference. Romero

Hmmm, my kids are all older now. My oldest turns 24 next week, and he has his CHL, and my husband and I will soon. I feel much safer when he's (son) around! Recently there have been a rash of robberies here in the Houston area. Some young punks were following people out of the Apple store to their homes. When the family got out of the car, the punks would rob them. Well, they finally picked the wrong family in a neighborhood right behind my kids' high school! The father had his CHL. He ran away from his family, causing the gunman to chase him. The father pulled his gun and shot the punk! The next door neighbor was also a gun owner and came to the family's aid. The next week, another similar situation occurred in town. A man was stealing purses in an office building. One of the male employees happened upon him and shot him after the criminal pulled his gun on him.

And Pat, I'm pretty sure your information is incorrect. I've read just the opposite. I'm proud to live in Texas where I'm allowed to defend myself.Shari

No guns allowed in my house either ! To many "accidents" and I love my kids and want to grow old with them with me.

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