Re: I'm scared

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What state are you in?

http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/toc-states.htm

http://www.momvaccines.org/html/links.html

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> My son needs to start Kindergarten this year. I have tried

> homeschooling him but I think as an adult with Asperger's and so

many

> unresolved issues I am not the best teacher for him. My local

public

> school has a program created by parents of children with

Asperger's

> which I think would be great for him.

>

> This is where I run into a problem. I have avoided almost 2 years

of

> innoculations for my son because I am afraid of the mercury and

> problems I keep hearing about. But I have to get all his shots

for

> him to go to school.

>

> They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1 Polio, 1 Varicella

and

> 1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I only want to

get

> whatever the law actually requires. What can I do? I want him to

not

> get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

>

> Nadine

>

[Guest guest]

I got Hannah all the shots up until a couple of years ago and we stopped. We

signed a waiver for her school so it was no problem getting started for

kindergrten. Don't even worry about it. Just ask the school nurse for a

vacination waiver. Best wishes!

Janet inKC

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From: Autism_in_Girls on behalf of liquidc2

Sent: Fri 4/28/2006 8:18 AM

To: Autism_in_Girls

Subject: I'm scared

My son needs to start Kindergarten this year. I have tried

homeschooling him but I think as an adult with Asperger's and so many

unresolved issues I am not the best teacher for him. My local public

school has a program created by parents of children with Asperger's

which I think would be great for him.

This is where I run into a problem. I have avoided almost 2 years of

innoculations for my son because I am afraid of the mercury and

problems I keep hearing about. But I have to get all his shots for

him to go to school.

They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1 Polio, 1 Varicella and

1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I only want to get

whatever the law actually requires. What can I do? I want him to not

get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

Nadine

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[Guest guest]

try not to worry about it too much. There are so

many laws and ways around the shots. My oldest

daughter is current on her shots, the second daughter

I got all the shots, except the MMR, they are both

autistic, so with my son I have refused to get him any

shots. When I tried to have them enrolled in school,

they said I had to get them all of their shots. But

After a bunch of research, I found out that if I

signed a form saying that it was part of my religious

beliefs to NOT vaccinate my children that I did not

have to. I talked to my case worker about it and told

her that it was not a part of my religion, I just

believed that it would harm my children and I did not

want to give them shots. I didn't want to sign that it

was about my religion when it was not. She informed

me, not to tell the people with the form that, and

then explained that I actually would not be lying,

because if I believe it that strongly, then it is a

part of my beliefs, and someone's personal beliefs and

convictions is their religion. She said it may not be

the same thing that everybody else in my church group

believes, but it is my beliefs and that I should have

the right to have that as my conviction, even if there

is no name for my belief or religion. She said, when

signing the form, don't put any of the vaccines that

my children already have, just sign once under the

part that says waive shots for religious reasons, and

fill out my name and address at the top and that is

all. So I did that and both my girls are eligible for

shool, if I wish to send them. I have used some of

there services and I have also homeschooled as much as

I can, but I know that in some areas, they would also

benefit more from a teacher besides myself. So Hope

that this helps you. No One can make you get your son

shots! Not if you believe it will hurt him. And not if

you don't give in. Again, hope that this helps and if

you have other questions just let me know. Esther

--- liquidc2 wrote:

> My son needs to start Kindergarten this year.

> I have tried

> homeschooling him but I think as an adult with

> Asperger's and so many

> unresolved issues I am not the best teacher for him.

> My local public

> school has a program created by parents of children

> with Asperger's

> which I think would be great for him.

>

> This is where I run into a problem. I have avoided

> almost 2 years of

> innoculations for my son because I am afraid of the

> mercury and

> problems I keep hearing about. But I have to get

> all his shots for

> him to go to school.

>

> They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1

> Polio, 1 Varicella and

> 1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I

> only want to get

> whatever the law actually requires. What can I do?

> I want him to not

> get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

>

> Nadine

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, we made the choice to not immunize Allie ever again unless we

are 100% certain the vax is needed and her body can handle it. You

have a choice in whether or not you want your child to have this

medical procedure, which is what vaccination is. Your state offers a

religious/philosophical exemption, I'm pretty sure. We take a

religious exemption in our state of TN.

Also, I know of a doc who might give a medical waiver, he's just over

the border in TN. I'd be happy to give you info off-list.

HTH,

Debi

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[Guest guest]

laura look to see what the laws are in you state and if you have

exemptions if so use the exemptions until you are of able to

research more the new DTaP is of called Imatrix? or something of

this and it does say it is in complete mercury free. I to be to plan

to do this one with my grand daughter but not beginning of them

until she is of 6-9 months of age and ONLY if she is of a healthy

baby and shnowing no signs of developmental delays or laggings. If

after one injection she shows any sings of distress she wil never

get another one. but we are with our state with exemptions. I to

plan to only be to vaccinate of her for the diseases that are still

very prevelenat and or still known to be there and can be fatal or

causes severe complications at a higher than safe to me level such

as the rebella one is of much scary to me. I to also know in Iowa

mups is coming back strong and they have of an epidemic there

rightnow but to me mumps is not of that severe of worry to me as

rubella is to be and whooping cough while most older kids do well i

to almost lost my oldest son to it and so will not risk of the baby

being so small to get of it as it is still out there. Best to

research and keep researching/

Sondra

Sondra

Autism_in_Girls , " liquidc2 " wrote:

>

> My son needs to start Kindergarten this year. I have tried

> homeschooling him but I think as an adult with Asperger's and so

many

> unresolved issues I am not the best teacher for him. My local

public

> school has a program created by parents of children with

Asperger's

> which I think would be great for him.

>

> This is where I run into a problem. I have avoided almost 2 years

of

> innoculations for my son because I am afraid of the mercury and

> problems I keep hearing about. But I have to get all his shots

for

> him to go to school.

>

> They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1 Polio, 1 Varicella

and

> 1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I only want to

get

> whatever the law actually requires. What can I do? I want him to

not

> get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

>

> Nadine

>

[Guest guest]

Not really. Getting only part of the vaccine, or only one dose, does

not protect you against the virus. However, getting the full vaccine

doesn't come with any garauntees either.

It is a very personal decision. I will tell you that my son was

selective/delayed with all his shots but he is up to date on all

except the MMR and chicken pox, and that has really nothing to do

with autism...he's allergic to an ingredient in the MMR and he's

already had chicken pox. He is not autistic.

At 5, his body is more equiped to handle the vaccines than an infant

would be. You can ask to get the shots seperated so his immune system

only has one vaccine to deal with at a time, I think that makes a

difference too. Also, except for the flu shot, childhood vaccinations

should be thimerisol free now, ask your dr to show you the package

insert before giving the shot if you want to be sure. And if the

shots are seperated, thimerisol is not used, it was only in the combo

shots.

Amnesty

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> But I still worry about him getting the diseases. What is the

minimal

> amount needed by each vaccine to protect from the disease? See,

when I was

> little, we had the same shots (DTP and MMR) but I only remember

getting each

> one once, maybe twice. Is there a middle of the road?

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> , we made the choice to not immunize Allie ever again unless we

> are 100% certain the vax is needed and her body can handle it. You

> have a choice in whether or not you want your child to have this

> medical procedure, which is what vaccination is. Your state offers a

> religious/philosophical exemption, I'm pretty sure. We take a

> religious exemption in our state of TN.

>

> Also, I know of a doc who might give a medical waiver, he's just

over

> the border in TN. I'd be happy to give you info off-list.

>

> HTH,

> Debi

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[Guest guest]

What I did is begin to research each disease. Mumps, for example, one

of the M in the MMR, has an extremely low rate of complications.

Typically a kid will feel bad for a few days and be fine. The only

complication for which I have read is that it may cause infertility

*after* puberty starts in boys. If I had a son, for me & my situation,

I would wait until signs of puberty, then consider it by having titer

level checked; if negative, I would probably get the vax. Measles and

rubella can have complications, such as vision issues if exposed to

direct sunlight during the active stage. As well, rubella to a

pregnant woman can cause horrible birth defects. For this reason, I

will have titers checked in my girls during their early teen years and

any negatives might get the vax; since I don't hold a titer, however,

I don't know for sure on that one. I had prefer they get the diseases

and be done with it.

I also researched pertussis. In fact, 2 of my 3 kids actually had

culture-confirmed cases, well one did, the other they denied could

have it because she was immunized as a baby. The CDC data states that

during a period of time in the 90's, 46% of those from age 3mos to 4

yrs whose vaccination status was known were completely immunized.

While I have heard horror stories of pertussis that did have me

constantly questioning whether or not I should get it, I'm glad they

had it the old fashioned way. It really wasn't any worse than a

month-long bronchitis that many kids get during the winter anyway. And

honestly, as many kids as were coughing here, I believe many more get

it who are vaccinated than ever recorded. I had to ask 3 times during

3 office visits before they did the culture.

Tetanus can be caught and can be bad. My plan is to keep all minor

scratches clean & if they get a significant cut/wound then get the

booster.

Polio is a concern for me because we have a large migrant population

from overseas. I worry that they get the OPV one day, come to our

school the next and poop in the same place, which could spread to my

kids. This is one I've not yet immunized for but do worry and may yet

get it for my youngest (the IPV, not OPV) before she starts at this

school.

I wouldn't give my kids varicella for anything. Chicken pox is no

biggy as long as you use good hygeine & nutrition. And, according to

the one school where the majority of kids who got chicken pox were

immunized, it doesn't appear to be affective and can cause shingles to

pop up more often.

I will not give hep B, but will explain to my girls in their teen

years the possibility of contracting and leave it up to them. It can

only be spread through risky behavior, so my young girls aren't going

to be doing IV drugs or having intercourse, though they better not be

as teens, I'm also a realist, lol.

I probably won't do the meningococcal because it doesn't seem to be

effective, either. Many kids contracting it have been immunized. I

won't risk the side effects on something that doesn't appear to be

effective.

HTH. Again, I wouldn't tell you not to immunize or to immunize, it's

your choice & you have to do what's best for your family. This is just

how I am handling it.

Debi

[Guest guest]

There is still some question about the thimerosal-free status.

According to Boyd Haley, they are still using it as a sanitizing agent

and attempting to strain; it binds to the proteins and cannot be fully

removed. If they say preservative-free, that doesn't mean it wasn't

used in the santizing process. Why a toxic substance is considering

santizing is beyond me, lol. Also, many adult vaccines have

thimerosal, so if you aren't at a ped's office you're more likely to

be given the adult doses.

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3

Here's a listing of all the vaccines, but again, some that are " free "

might not be completely " free " . Also, aluminum is used in all of them,

and aluminum can mess with a kid with autism, too. I know my Allie is

off the charts in aluminum.

Most tetanuse shots by themselves also have diptheria, and many of the

tetanus shots still have levels in them.

Debi

Also, except for the flu shot, childhood vaccinations

> should be thimerisol free now, ask your dr to show you the package

> insert before giving the shot if you want to be sure. And if the

> shots are seperated, thimerisol is not used, it was only in the combo

> shots.

>

[Guest guest]

That's why I said read the package inserts, and " should " be

thimerisol free. I know there are still some out there. But I read

every package insert from beginning to end (keep in mind we haven't

done the MMR due to allergies) and my son's vaccines were thimerisol

free.

Amnesty

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> There is still some question about the thimerosal-free status.

> According to Boyd Haley, they are still using it as a sanitizing

agent

> and attempting to strain; it binds to the proteins and cannot be

fully

> removed. If they say preservative-free, that doesn't mean it wasn't

> used in the santizing process. Why a toxic substance is considering

> santizing is beyond me, lol. Also, many adult vaccines have

> thimerosal, so if you aren't at a ped's office you're more likely to

> be given the adult doses.

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3

>

> Here's a listing of all the vaccines, but again, some that

are " free "

> might not be completely " free " . Also, aluminum is used in all of

them,

> and aluminum can mess with a kid with autism, too. I know my Allie

is

> off the charts in aluminum.

>

> Most tetanuse shots by themselves also have diptheria, and many of

the

> tetanus shots still have levels in them.

>

> Debi

>

> Also, except for the flu shot, childhood vaccinations

> > should be thimerisol free now, ask your dr to show you the

package

> > insert before giving the shot if you want to be sure. And if the

> > shots are seperated, thimerisol is not used, it was only in the

combo

> > shots.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

NO, YOU DO NOT.

What state it this in? Every state in America has waivers for

religious/philosophical beliefs. It is against the law, once you tell them

that you object to aborted fetal cells being injected into your child for

anyone to question you further. PERIOD. They may not ask you about your

religion, why you feel this way, NOTHING. Or you can sue them. Don't you

dare let anyone mislead you or intimidate you or outright lie that your son

can't enroll without vaccinations!

If you need more info on this, please, let me know. This is a recurrent

topic on every autism list I'm on.

Hope this helps,

....

>

> But I have to get all his shots for

> him to go to school.

>

> They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1 Polio, 1 Varicella and

> 1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I only want to get

> whatever the law actually requires. What can I do? I want him to not

> get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

>

> Nadine

>

[Guest guest]

Amnesty, that's a good rule of thumb, but it's my understanding that

trace amounts can still be contained in " thimerosal-free " when it's

" preservative-free " . There's been some question to whether or not the

package insert actually lies about the status. I can find some links

if interested.

Debi

[Guest guest]

I believe vaccines to help reduce disease, though I know it's possible

to still contract it. I know there are statistics that show various

diseases were on the decline, but bottom line, when immunized the

diseases decrease; they must be working for some of the population. I

do believe however that the diseases are underreported. I know I had

to ask 3 times for 3 weeks for Dinah to get tested for pertussis and

even after a culture-confirmed case they refused ot test my oldest

because she had been vaccinated, despite her coughing for weeks. And,

half the school was coughing like that, too, but the health dept

dismissed it because of the immunization rate.

Debi

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> vaccines do not prevent disease.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I had to clear my conscience because I am in a bit of a strange

situation. My children are attending the same elementary school I did. The

people there in the office worked there when I was there. They have known

me since childhood. It is strange to tell them it is against my religious

beliefs. So I got out my bible and I found some verses that support my

view. That will make me feel better about saying such a thing where I don't

feel as if I am lying.

That will take care of school. From there I am going to research each

individual shot he " needs " and compare risks. I want to feel fully informed

before I make a final decision. Thanks everyone for their input. I know

this is an emotional subject for many of you so I appreciate your honesty.

Nadine

Re: I'm scared

NO, YOU DO NOT.

What state it this in? Every state in America has waivers for

religious/philosophical beliefs. It is against the law, once you tell them

that you object to aborted fetal cells being injected into your child for

anyone to question you further. PERIOD. They may not ask you about your

religion, why you feel this way, NOTHING. Or you can sue them. Don't you

dare let anyone mislead you or intimidate you or outright lie that your son

can't enroll without vaccinations!

If you need more info on this, please, let me know. This is a recurrent

topic on every autism list I'm on.

Hope this helps,

....

>

> But I have to get all his shots for

> him to go to school.

>

> They say he still needs 2 DTP/aP, 1 Measles, 1 Polio, 1 Varicella and

> 1 HepB. I am not sure what they are all for but I only want to get

> whatever the law actually requires. What can I do? I want him to not

> get these diseases, but I am afraid of the shots.

>

> Nadine

>