Re: More change you can believe in from Obama; A new Korean War

[Guest guest]

Eek, that was hard to read, and not just because of parts in red!

Here's something a lot of people are getting horribly wrong: the Korean war

NEVER ENDED! What's been the case is that it has been an uneasy truce: no

surrender was ever declared/tendered, and if there had been a clear " winner "

there wouldn't be the DMZ and there wouldn't be North and South Korea, or

whatever their official names are: there'd be just " Korea " instead.

I don't know exactly what is the wisest response to North Korea's posturing: I

can't think that even that insane-seeming leader would launch a nuclear

missile/weapon on anyone, because it isn't ever possible to truly " win " in any

nuclear exchange, even if they themselves didn't get hit directly, and instead,

for example, they had China retaliate for them if we attacked: the amount of

fallout would still mess things up for anything of significance, as well as all

the political fallout. However, there is one major worry I have: North Korea

has had long-term problems with famine, which makes them desperate. Sad

commentary: it would be much easier to feed their population if all their large

standing army were wiped out using nuclear weapons, but then you'd have two

problems to solve, because there'd inevitably be a huge number of civilian

deaths from radiation sickness for those that managed to survive the initial

strikes.

Another thing most people get wrong: their has been no " second " Iraq war

(whatever you want to call things) because of the same basic thing: there was no

surrender, no outright win, just merely a dialing down of hostilities with minor

flare-ups over many years.

We should have taken out Saddam in the first place, as quickly as possible, if

we were going to maintain any hostilities beyond smashing them out of Kuwait.

Unfortunately, the big mistake is assuming that a region where there's

millennias-old tribal conflicts and the like can ever be brought under a

peaceful solution, regardless of how good intentions may/may not be, was

evident: if a sufficient group of the population doesn't really want peace,

you'll either need to eradicate that group somehow, or give up the hopes for

peace: you can't reason with everyone, sadly. Obama was sort of screwed either

way: announce a pull-out date, people act on that, announce there's no pull-out

date, people will also act on that, in a violent way, to strongly encourage one:

I think that was a no-win scenario. I'm of the thought that the best way to do

things would be to leave suddenly, without notice of when, and tell them: if a

corrupted government that's abusive to the citizens pops up, we'll be back to

smear them, so figure things out on your own!

And then there's Iran and Israel: let's face it, the Iranian " president " has it

in for Israel, and Iran has lied repeatedly, and he's vowed to take Israel off

the face of the map: when you put all those things together, it seems far more

reasonable and logical for Israel to go and take out any nuclear facilities, and

this doesn't even change what feelings are about how legitimate Israel is for

existing, etc. Even if Iran were to allow Israeli inspectors into the

publicly-visible facilities, I can't see that being convincing enough at all,

due to the history.

All this is going on, while the world economy burns: major economic hairballs

like this one are when wars are more likely to occur, all else being equal,

because things are in such turmoil, and it provides employment, etc. as sad as

that sounds.

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> Read the parts in RED.

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> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977694197

> <http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977694197>

> More change you can believe in from Obama; A new Korean War May 28,

> 2009 10:11 AM EDT (Updated: May 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT)

> Well now, that didn't take long now did it? Barely 5 months into office

> and the messiah has helped bring the the Korean peninsula to the brinnk

> of a shooting war. We were told by the fawning liberal media,

> throughout his run up to being coronated, that Barack Obama being

> president would change the way the world views America. That his

> election would restore our image worldwide and that pygmy dictators of

> banana republics would now look at the USA in a favorable way. We were

> told that murderous Islamofascist animals would realize under Obama,

> that the United States was really a nifty bunch of infidels not worthy

> of terrorist attacks.

>

> We were then treated to the nauseating sight of this neophyte

> political clown going around the world apologizing for America,

> literally bowing and kissing the ring of the Arab pigs who helped fund

> the murdering of Americans. We were told that by " engaging in dialogue "

> with the likes of Kim Jong Il we could make them part of the world

> community. You see the problem with Lil Kim wasn't that he was a

> meglomaniacal pschopath, but rather that mean old Bush was being

> mean to him and that big hug from Obama and his Sec. State Hillary

> Clinton would make everything all better. That few kind words from Barry

> O and some Looney Tune DVD's was all he needed to throw away his nuclear

> toy collection. You see Lil Kim was just having a temper tantrum because

> he felt dissed by the USA and once that meanie Bush was removed

> from the sandbox he would make nice with everyone and go back to just

> being the goofiest looking leader in the world and stop trying acquire

> the weapons he needs to turn that sandbox into a pile of glass.

>

> Well it turns out that our own " Dear Leader " was as wrong about

> this as he could possibly be. In the last 5 months North Korea has fired

> more missiles and detonated more nuclear bomb tests than in the previous

> 8 years. Go figure. Who knew you couldn't talk a psycho out of

> developing nuclear weapons just by kissing his ample posterior?

> Apparently no Democrats or Obama supporters.

>

> Now lest you think Obama was going to stand around and do

> nothing about this truly existential threat to Jaoan and South Korea

> (two countries we are obligated by treaty to defend militarily by the

> way) his administration reacted to these developments with this from CNN

>

> President Obama castigated the North Korean government Monday

> for conducting a second nuclear bomb test in defiance of multiple

> international warnings.

>

> President Obama calls North Korea's nuclear test " a grave threat to the

> peace and stability of the world. " Obama promised that the United States

> and the international community would strongly respond to the test.

>

> And then this truly threatening comment, he added that North

> Korea's actions have " flown in the face of United Nations resolutions "

> and were inviting deeper international isolation for the communist

> state.

>

> Phew! Here I was afraid he would do nothing about it. That ought

> to show Lil Kim who's boss. Of course North Korea has responded to

> threats of interdicting North Korean ships off the cost by threatening

> to negate the armistice that ended the Korean war and attacking South

> Korea, with it's large army. Now there is change you can believe in!!

> The Korean peninsula has been at an uneasy peace for for over 50 years,

> it has taken the Obama administration less than 6 months to change that.

>

> Want more change? Let's move around the globe to middle east. In

> Iraq more people are being killed than at any time in the last 9 months

> in anticipation of the pullout of American forces from the major cities

> there. Obama's announcing of our pullout has predictably led to an

> increase in the violence there and cost more American soldiers their

> lives. More change you can believe in, just ask the widows of the

> recently killed soldiers.

>

> He announced the closing of Guantanamo Bay with no plan on what

> to do with murderous pigs being held there. For all of his hand wringing

> and international ass kissing every country in the wolrd told him to go

> screw himself when he asked them to take some of the prisoners. His plan

> to integrate them into America has been derided by even left wing

> lunatics in his own party. But on the upside, Hamas and al Qaeda were so

> impressed with his policy of ending forced bathing for the Muslim pigs

> in Gitmo that they have now promised to use only clean swords for sawing

> the heads off of Americans they capture. Truly a change for the better!!

>

> AS if all of this doesn't make you feel all warm and cuddly at

> night there is this, courtesy of Dick :

>

> Caroline Glick, deputy editor and op-ed writer for the Jerusalem

> Post] writes, " ...we have learned that the [Obama] administration has

> made its peace with Iran's nuclear aspirations. Senior administration

> officials acknowledge as much in off-record briefings. It is true, they

> say, that Iran may exploit its future talks with the US to run down the

> clock before they test a nuclear weapon. But, they add, if that happens,

> the US will simply have to live with a nuclear-armed mullocracy. "

>

> She goes on to write that the Obama administration is desperate

> to stop Israel from attacking Iran writing that " as far as the [Obama]

> administration is concerned, if Israel could just leave Iran's nuclear

> installations alone, Iran would behave itself. " She notes that American

> officials would regard any harm to American interests that flowed from

> an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities as Israel's doing, not

> Iran's.

>

> Now if that doesn't make everyone feel good I don't know what

> will.

>

> I'm going to make some predictions here that, to me, are no

> brainers.

>

> In the next 1-2 years:

>

> 1. There is going to be a shooting war on the North Korean peninsula.

> The US will ignore it's treaty obligations and sacrifice the 30,000 or

> so Maerican soldiers we have stationed there. When North Korea attacks

> the south Obama will be very disturbed and call for a stern condemnation

> from the UN.

>

> 2. There is going to be a major military action between Iran and Israel.

> Once again Obama will abandon our ally (Israel), but this time the good

> guys will win. This will happen after Israel takes out the Iranian

> nuclear facility. Obama will chide the Israeli's for not walking into

> the ocean and exterminating themselves as Acmidinijead wants.

>

> 3. After the shooting starts on the Korean peninsula China will invade

> Taiwan and despite our decades long promise to defend the isalnd nation,

> Obama will do nothing. This will be the case because right now China is

> financing the obscene deficit spending that Premier Obama is burying the

> economy under. If China stops buying our bonds Barry O and gang of

> clueless dopes in his cabinet will be forced to print more money and

> inflation will be rampant. So he owes China a big one there.

>

> 4. There will be another MAJOR terrorist attack on the United States.

> Depending on how fast Iran and or North Korea can get their bombs built

> and put them on the open market it could well very be a nuclear one.

> After the attack Obama will go before the UN and ask for a resolution

> condemning the attack. The resolution will be vetoed by Cameroon. The

> only thing I'm sure of on this one is if it's nuclear, it won't be on

> Washington. The last thing any of these countries or terrorists want is

> for Obama to be killed in the attack. After the attack Obama will go

> before the UN and ask for a resolution condemning the attack

>

> After all he was the candidate endorsed by Hamas.

>

> You wanted change you got it. I'm just hoping enough of us live

> through the change to make it right after he leaves.

>

[Guest guest]

" All this is going on, while the world economy burns: major economic hairballs

like this one are when wars are more likely to occur, all else being equal,

because things are in such turmoil, and it provides employment, etc. as sad as

that sounds. "

One final thing to remember, is that even in good economic times, most foriegn

aid that is pledged never gets delivered. This is even more true in BAD economic

times, so pledging food or other aid to North Korea to diffuse this crisis would

not result in much real food or economic aid anyway.

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