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Tracey there is not a set given of the spectrum some are more able

in life skills and some are more slow to learn them and it is often

not due to intellect as much as it is due maybe to the

sensory/processing and being able to feel or read inside body

signals and have ability to know what they mean or what to do with

them. Some are more challenged by core issues of autism than others

but htis is true for boys and or girls. Because if all girls were to

be higher abled then the research would need to know why girls are

less affected than boys , but since there is no strong evidence to

support one gender being more affected or abled than the other it is

more true to say that spectrum is not a respect of gender and either

or can be greatly or mildly affected.

I to also be sorry you are of jealous of the way in which some of

the other gilrs have developed and or are functioning but this does

not equate that you own child will not make progress and or have a

good outcome in life. many reach for a society standard of norms and

expectations but the reality is that for a child to develop to their

highest potential and be accepted and loved is better than others

who by functionality are more able and be to reach potentials with

no love or family is by far worse outcomes. So what I to besaying

is that the family dynamics play the biggest part inthe childs

outcomes emotionally in the end. You child is of a blessed little

girl to have a mom to love her and want the best for her. But

remember mom to be to set new priority of what is the best/ for her

and for you both in the end. I to think most will be to say they

want their child to know and feel loved regardless of how functional

they become or not achieve. For me I to be considered to be of the

HFA group but to have no birth mom or dad to love of me or care

about my world or life is of very hard for me emotionally and so

this impacts me greatly. I to maked much progress in the life of me

but if could would trade this ability to be of functional in rapidly

for to ahve parents instead to embrace of me and love me.

Sondra

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> I really don;t know what the REAL answer is, but my

> daughter is much more affected than my son --

> non-verbal, semi-potty trained (at 11 yrs.) The other

> girls I have met her age and older who have the ASD

> diagnosis have been very similar in their severity.

> Since my son is now 6 I have met a number of girls his

> age who are less affected than my daughter. If I met

> them on the street I might just think they were

> extremely shy.

> I don't know what this means. I am kinda jealous

> though.

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My daughter (Amy) is just kind of quirky. And she was almost 4 when she

finally got pottie trained. I'd tried for two years and then I picked up a

used video at our local store: Once Upon a Potty (for girls). It was a big

thing (in the early 90s), with Prudence for girls and for boys. There

were books, videos, dolls, etc. I popped that into the VCR and guess who was

potty trained within 3 days?! Amy relates better to adults, rather than

peers (which was me at her age). I see a lot of myself in her. Food for

thought: Amy's father (RIP) once commented, what if she's the normal one and

the rest of us are really the oddballs! And another thing that makes me

wonder if I'm an Aspie: growing up with my mother, she leaned towards the

eclectic in home furnishing (but it all worked). I want stuff that matches

or coordinates and I would dearly love a set of dishes and flatware that is

all the same!!

,RN

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You must do the thing you think you cannot do.

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>To: Autism_in_Girls

>Subject: girls with ASD

>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:50:51 -0800 (PST)

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>I really don;t know what the REAL answer is, but my

>daughter is much more affected than my son --

>non-verbal, semi-potty trained (at 11 yrs.) The other

>girls I have met her age and older who have the ASD

>diagnosis have been very similar in their severity.

>Since my son is now 6 I have met a number of girls his

>age who are less affected than my daughter. If I met

>them on the street I might just think they were

>extremely shy.

>I don't know what this means. I am kinda jealous

>though.

>

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Last year when 's aunt died, we were all deeply affected. She and Abby

were VERY close. I think that its crap that people say that people with autism

don't have feelings or much less show them. Abby was so upset and cried so

much that she brought 4 grown men to tears over how upset she was that Aunt Cal

died. This upcoming Sunday, April 9th. will be the one year anniversary of

her death, and trust me, Abby remembers, and still very much feels it.

Pennie

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I think it's depending on kids. One example of my Allie. We had a

kitten die and I was crying. Dinah, my baby, came up and kissed me.

Allie got in front of me and laughed and watched me closely. If she

did interpret the emotion correctly, she had an inappropriate

response. She also laughs when her sisters are hurt. I don't think

she's trying to be mean, I think she is more studying the sounds and

behaviors and enjoying the study, at least that's what I get from it.

I think all kids with autism are affectionate, i think that's a myth

that was created when people with autism can't deal with the sensory

input of perfumes, touches, textures of different people, it was

easier to say they just don't show emotion than to try and understand

they are overwhelmed.

Debi

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tracey sorry if implied that you lacked love for you child but was

saying of opposite too and was sharing more higher thinking in

regards to parenting and loving our childrens.

Intuitive ? not sure but i to be to share can learn of certain

things as a pattern and can respond them but for me am much so a

person who is sensitive and can pick up signals of emotionals but

not always able to know what to do with them or respond to them in

good time.

I to think that is why so many molds get formed assuming we all lack

or we are all alike and this is why you girls are loving and

affectionate because this is part of thier personality and the way

they present themselves. bu again it does not equate that others on

spectrum do not also feel but they may be more challenged in being

able to express it in ways others can see or interpret.

Sondra

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> Sondra,

> I never meant to imply that I don't love Casey.

> Actually quite the opposite!

> And I have a question -- I have always heard and read

> that people with autism have trouble interpreting

> emotions and sharing them with others. Both of my ASD

> kids are very affectionate and like to be cuddled and

> touched. They both laugh and giggle and have a great

> sense of humor. When someone is sad or hurt they

> become very concerned. If I have a headache Casey will

> come to me and put her hands on my head and make it

> feel better with the warmth of her hands (I don't even

> need to invite her, she just feels what needs to be

> fixed). Soooooo, wouldn't all of this be intuitive? Is

> all the old literature OLD?

>

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debbie the laughing at others giref and sad can be maybe explained by

teh sudden change in you body language that she is intrigued by and

not able to read the emotion and or connect the action to the

emotional responses yet. Sometimes my brian understands i to be to

need to reflect sad but cant feel sad so will try to reflect of sad

but out comes the opposite emotion of laughter. it is of quite

embarrasing as not meant for laughter to come but it did when was

trying to pull out a script for sad because my brain had not had

enough time to process the real of the true emotion within me to feel

sad yet. so have to rely on scripts to pass as ok in the setting.

Sondra

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Allie also did this when my BIL died a few weeks ago. My BIL and

grandmother are her two favorite people in the world. At the funeral I

took her up to the coffin and held her so she could see him. She

smiled and said, " Uncle Mack sleeping. " I think she understands what's

going on, like you said, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

Deb

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> debbie the laughing at others giref and sad can be maybe explained by

> teh sudden change in you body language that she is intrigued by and

> not able to read the emotion and or connect the action to the

> emotional responses yet. Sometimes my brian understands i to be to

> need to reflect sad but cant feel sad so will try to reflect of sad

> but out comes the opposite emotion of laughter. it is of quite

> embarrasing as not meant for laughter to come but it did when was

> trying to pull out a script for sad because my brain had not had

> enough time to process the real of the true emotion within me to feel

> sad yet. so have to rely on scripts to pass as ok in the setting.

> Sondra

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two emotions i to show rapidly and impulsively is the fear and anger

ones and often my reactions are a hyper alert sense of fight and

flight responses to most all emotions even happy ones because the

surging of emotions feels like too much simulation and makes the

body shake which causes the body to respond in a agitation of fight

and flight responses most of the times.

Sondra

In Autism_in_Girls , " Debi "

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> Allie also did this when my BIL died a few weeks ago. My BIL and

> grandmother are her two favorite people in the world. At the

funeral I

> took her up to the coffin and held her so she could see him. She

> smiled and said, " Uncle Mack sleeping. " I think she understands

what's

> going on, like you said, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

>

> Deb

>

>

> >

> > debbie the laughing at others giref and sad can be maybe

explained by

> > teh sudden change in you body language that she is intrigued by

and

> > not able to read the emotion and or connect the action to the

> > emotional responses yet. Sometimes my brian understands i to be

to

> > need to reflect sad but cant feel sad so will try to reflect of

sad

> > but out comes the opposite emotion of laughter. it is of quite

> > embarrasing as not meant for laughter to come but it did when

was

> > trying to pull out a script for sad because my brain had not had

> > enough time to process the real of the true emotion within me to

feel

> > sad yet. so have to rely on scripts to pass as ok in the

setting.

> > Sondra

> >

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I would say that MOST of the kids I work with are

snuggly/affectionate, and many do show empathy when someone is upset.

Many also have a great, if sometimes quirky, sense of humor. I do

know some kids who only want the hugs from certain, more familiar

people, or on their own terms, and a few who get upset if you touch

them suddenly when they are not prepared, but in general, all my

kiddos like to be hugged, and are affectionate with at least familiar

people.

Amnesty

>

> Sondra,

> I never meant to imply that I don't love Casey.

> Actually quite the opposite!

> And I have a question -- I have always heard and read

> that people with autism have trouble interpreting

> emotions and sharing them with others. Both of my ASD

> kids are very affectionate and like to be cuddled and

> touched. They both laugh and giggle and have a great

> sense of humor. When someone is sad or hurt they

> become very concerned. If I have a headache Casey will

> come to me and put her hands on my head and make it

> feel better with the warmth of her hands (I don't even

> need to invite her, she just feels what needs to be

> fixed). Soooooo, wouldn't all of this be intuitive? Is

> all the old literature OLD?

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

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My laughs about death too. I think it is a combination of her being

interested in my reactions (like tears) and her not knowing what to do with

whatever she's feeling. It used to bother me but now I find I'm more able to try

to

understand and to keep reframing explanations of why most people do what they

do, including how they show feelings about people dying.

Melinda

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