Re: Re: Are girls with ASD less likely to talk than boys?

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I thought that you might be interested in my purely clinical experience with

the girls whom I have seen in the last few years. I am seeing more girls who

seem to actually improve faster than the typical boy. This was absolutely

not my experience 5 years ago. The new generation of girls seems different! I

don't believe that I am the only physician that has noted this change.

Hift, M.D.F.A.A.P.

[Guest guest]

Just an observation from the mother of a 17 year old Aspie girl: I don't

think that boys really outnumber girls regarding the presence of ADHD, ADD,

or ASD. I think that in many cases, nobody looks for these in girls.

,RN

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>Subject: Re: Are girls with ASD less likely to talk than

>boys?

>Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:08:20 -0000

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>Debi,

>Thanks for replying. I saw something about girls possibly not being as

>severely effected because of estrogen too. Seems estrogen helps us

>fight off toxins, ecpecially mercury. And some things also on the fact

>that females are just more naturally social so they have that over the

>boys too.

>I would really love to find someone out there who has done real

>studies on girls with autism. There really isn't anything out there

>that I can find. I was hoping to put some good information for mothers

>with daughters on the spectrum on my blog.

>Cristy

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> > I would highly question that. The reason is I've seen so many

> > conflicting reports. Some says girls tend to be more severe, others,

> > like the Geiers, say girls with autism tend to be higher functioning

> > and credit estrogen. I know 6 local girls with autism off the top of

> > my head. Only one is nonverbal, and she's an older teen, probably

> > before some of the current treatments & therapies were known about to

> > help her at a young age.

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> >

> > Debi

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I have two girls with autism. Both talk. As a matter of fact one never shuts

up.

Mylinda

sondra wrote:

different? or just being more aware that the disorder can

be among girls who present it higher than the classical forms of

past understand of autism. I to find that the move has been for

professionals to be more aware that this is not a male disorder and

so they are more willing to see spectrum now in girls than in past.

Many including self in past were dx as mental retardations of

various levels and or mental disorders such as anxiety disorders,

OCD, and other neurological things such as maybe ADHD or ADD, and

some with language disorders sucha s receptive /expressive

disorders. i to know i to have a cousin whose daughter is classified

mild retardations . apraxia, anxiety . but the knowing of the family

history it is more than likily another case of spectrum but misdx as

many other things instead. So I to wonder if it is more awareness of

the female versions that is wy you are seeing more higher abled

kidos because the awareness that such exists. Where int he past it

had to be a severe case to understand it as classical autism.

Sondra

In Autism_in_Girls , chiftmd@... wrote:

>

> I thought that you might be interested in my purely clinical

experience with

> the girls whom I have seen in the last few years. I am seeing

more girls who

> seem to actually improve faster than the typical boy. This was

absolutely

> not my experience 5 years ago. The new generation of girls seems

different! I

> don't believe that I am the only physician that has noted this

change.

>

> Hift, M.D.F.A.A.P.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Might I also point out that until the early around the 1920's women and

children were still considered property. Then once that changed it wasn't

until the 1970's that women started pushing for equality at work and in

school. All of our knowledge on women, children and girls in respect to

education and intelligence is based on recent, limited studies at least as

compared to men and boys. From that we can deduct that statistic are going

to be skewed as we have allot of catching up to do.

My opinion anyway.

Nadine

Re: Are girls with ASD less likely to talk than

>boys?

>Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:08:20 -0000

>

>Debi,

>Thanks for replying. I saw something about girls possibly not being as

>severely effected because of estrogen too. Seems estrogen helps us

>fight off toxins, ecpecially mercury. And some things also on the fact

>that females are just more naturally social so they have that over the

>boys too.

>I would really love to find someone out there who has done real

>studies on girls with autism. There really isn't anything out there

>that I can find. I was hoping to put some good information for mothers

>with daughters on the spectrum on my blog.

>Cristy

>

> >

> > I would highly question that. The reason is I've seen so many

> > conflicting reports. Some says girls tend to be more severe, others,

> > like the Geiers, say girls with autism tend to be higher functioning

> > and credit estrogen. I know 6 local girls with autism off the top of

> > my head. Only one is nonverbal, and she's an older teen, probably

> > before some of the current treatments & therapies were known about to

> > help her at a young age.

> >

> >

> > Debi

> >

>

>

>

>

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Ive heard that too, but my little Ella is transitioning from non verbal...to

verbal.....how much does a child have to talk to lose the non-verbal label?

I refuse to call Ella non-verbal anymore, but some still do...why...

Aimee

Amnesty wrote:

I have heard that before too, but in my experience, it is not true.

Actually, only one girl I worked with was non-verbal, out of maybe 10

or so, and that one was only 3 when I was working with her. I have

worked with A LOT more boys, and had a pretty good mix of verbal

skills, but very few ever, of either gender, who were totally non-

verbal.

I think there is just less info in general on ASD girls, mostly because

there are less girls diagnosed with ASD.

Amnesty

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> Looking at all the information out there on the web I came across

> something that shocked me. It said that girls with autism were less

> likely to be able to use speech to communicate. I was wondering if

> this were true and i'd just never heard it before. And there is

almost

> NO information out there that's just about girls with ASD. Or maybe

> i've just been looking in the wrong place?

> Cristy

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my daughter is non-verbal,but most of the other girls i know on the spectrum can

and do talk. as i said in an early post,some information is outdated or that

what the writers saw when they publish that information.I believe it does not

matter if a child can talk or not ,it matter if they are given a way to

communicate . that cuts out a lot of their furstration .

Deb

lorgonzo4 wrote:

Hi Aimee,

I don't know why the term non-verbal is used with very young

children. To me a non-verbal 2 year old is a 2 year old who isn't

talking yet. Just my 2 cents...always trying to look at things in a

positive light.

Lori

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> > Looking at all the information out there on the web I came

across

> > something that shocked me. It said that girls with autism were

less

> > likely to be able to use speech to communicate. I was wondering

if

> > this were true and i'd just never heard it before. And there is

> almost

> > NO information out there that's just about girls with ASD. Or

maybe

> > i've just been looking in the wrong place?

> > Cristy

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Ella will use about 5 words with out prompt for things, and she just started

labeling things while she is watching tv..the tantrums are worse, but her speech

is better, its always a trade off!

Aimee

Ella went swimming today for the first time,,,she was terrified of pools last

summer!

Amnesty wrote:

Well, there's a difference between non-verbal and functionally non-

verbal...if she has enough language to get her needs and wants met on

a regular basis, I would consider her verbal. However, if she is

either saying things out of context (scripting or echolalia for

example) or needs prompts or imitates frequently, she is still

probably functionally non-verbal. But don't worry to much if that is

the case, she's so little that if she is talking at all now, it will

only get better It is a long transition though.

Amnesty

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> > Looking at all the information out there on the web I came across

> > something that shocked me. It said that girls with autism were

less

> > likely to be able to use speech to communicate. I was wondering

if

> > this were true and i'd just never heard it before. And there is

> almost

> > NO information out there that's just about girls with ASD. Or

maybe

> > i've just been looking in the wrong place?

> > Cristy

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Sondra,

How old were you when you began to speak? I hear some kids on the spectrum

dont start till around 4 or 5...

Aimee

sondra wrote:

I to see non verbal as being unable to use verbal domains of

language such as speech. And or they do not use the speech in

spontaneous ways to communicate with another with intent to convey a

complete thought. so if the person of autism is echoing phrases and

or words they are still to me non verbal meaning they do not sue the

words to commnicate in ways that convey a message that others can

easily interpret. (this isnot to say that some with autism are of

not using the echoed scipts as a form of communication because some

are , the problem exist that the other person is not able to to

interpret the script easily with meaning.

Sondra

In Autism_in_Girls , " lorgonzo4 " wrote:

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> Hi Aimee,

> I don't know why the term non-verbal is used with very young

> children. To me a non-verbal 2 year old is a 2 year old who isn't

> talking yet. Just my 2 cents...always trying to look at things in

a

> positive light.

>

> Lori

>

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> > >

> > > Looking at all the information out there on the web I came

> across

> > > something that shocked me. It said that girls with autism were

> less

> > > likely to be able to use speech to communicate. I was

wondering

> if

> > > this were true and i'd just never heard it before. And there

is

> > almost

> > > NO information out there that's just about girls with ASD. Or

> maybe

> > > i've just been looking in the wrong place?

> > > Cristy

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