Today started out great and then...

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Today started out great! In the morning before school my daughter Jen now 17

years old repeated the words " school " and " now " . I was so very pleased!

At about 2:15 p.m. I recieved a phone call and Jen was having a terrible

time at school. She bite an aide and she is out of control. The teacher

said, " We can not put her on the bus. You have to come get her! " I'll be

there in no more than 25 minutes, but 15 minutes later I arrived at the

school to find Jen sitting in a rocking chair. It seemed so very tense in

the classroom and for good reason as soon gathered the details. It was bad

and it seemed the aide was the same aide that Jen had bite the other week. I

felt so bad, because she is such a nice lady. The aid left the room directly

after I arrived. I waited in the hope that I could have Jen say " Sorry " , but

the aide was making phone calls. I talked with Jen's teacher and I really

did not know what to say or do. After awhile I gave up waiting and Jen and I

made our way home. I talked to Jen none stop the whole way home about how it

not right to bite. I was just rambling. I stopped and made a telephone call

to her Dad at work to tell him what had happened. I told Jen I just told her

Dad and her upper lip folded up. I knew she understood, but to what point I

have no idea.

When I arrived home her sister Kim expresses her disappointment in Jen's

behavior. I told Jen she is going to make a sorry book for the aide. I got

out a bunch of scrapes of paper, pictures and Kim donated construction to

the project. I help Jen make the first page of the book. Then I had Jen

unload the dryer and reload. I set the dial of the dryer and she turned on

the dryer, but Jen pushed the start button as usual. I started the Washer

and Jen load the dirty clothing the washer bin and as usual slammed the lid

of the wash machine.

Next Jen and I returned to the book making project. Helped her select paper

and pictures and told her she was putting the glue from the glue stick on

the backs of the pictures. She also put glue all over the plastic table

cloth, but that is why I have a plastic table cloth. You know, easy clean

up! As she worked with the glue stick it seemed as if she was doing better

applying glue with each item. Gathering the 3 paged together I placed them

in the stapler told her you are going to staple these together. I don't

think Jen ever used a stapler before. On the second try at the staples she

made the stapler work correctly. She was so proud! She smiled and I told her

to put the book in her book bag for school. She was very proud as she placed

the book in the book bag and zipped her book bag!

So next I decided we could try the new talking puzzle alphabet Santa brought

Jen for Christmas. Jen was stemming a great deal and rocking in the chair.

Then her Dad arrived home and he immediately started to talk to Jen about

what happened at school. He was not happy and her upper lip folded upper

making a very unhappy face. When her Dad was finished talking she returned

to the activity of the puzzle. Then her Dad said " Jen find the H. Now you

know where the H goes. " Jen repeated " H " and as she placed the H in the

puzzle. The talking puzzle said " H " and the little saying that goes what H

stands for. Her Dad told her to find another letter and the same thing

happened with Jen repeating the letter. This continued for a few more

letters and then Jen was just putting letters in the puzzle, but she would

not repeat the letters.

At Dinner made effort to use her fork correctly.

I dread tomorrow and what might happen at school with Jen. Jen is completely

disabled and the teacher tells me they a trained to handle children like

Jen, but I do not like that Jen is being aggressive. They called in a

behavior specialist, but she did not complete her report and give the report

to the teacher yet. I hope she has some magic words in her report to help

Jen. I think the aggression is from the chelation of Mercury and Heavy

Metals, but so is the progress that Jen has made. She is talking and

repeating words.

I feel so helpless to help my daughter. I just don't know which way to turn!

I know Dr. Brenner said " It will get worst before it gets better. " I kept

praying that the worst is over and that she willing stop this aggressive

behavior. From what I understand the other children in puberty chelating

that making some progress are also having terrible unbelievable behavior. At

home she seems much better, but at school and sometimes on the bus she

becomes unreal.

I guess as long as there is life there is hope!

Bev Weakley

Mom of Jen and Kim

[Guest guest]

Bev I to be happy you are of posting more and sharing of you life

to us here too. You daughter sounds quite frustrated over somethings

at school to act out in desperate need of to bite. I to wonder if

they are reaching into her speace before giving her time to process

and or if they are not allowing time for processing and or giving

her power to have choices and she is of wanting some control over

her world at school to some degree. Most often at school if one is

considered disabled to a moderate to profound degree they donot

allow them any options for self, they to make all the choices, they

move the students along as though they have no voice and if Jen is

seaking a voice she may lash back in aggression demanding some

respect from her own perspectives. It is not that they (the school

isnot respecting her) but they may not be respecting her space, her

needs at the moment or her attempts to communicate albeit by the odd

non verbals that even autistics can and often do use which is not

understood by most to be a form of communicating. Out non verbals

are like a culture in itself and so it has its own hidden messages

unless one invests enough time to study the non verbal language

being expressed by each person of autism because it will not be a

united culture as in we all use the same non verbals but a culture

of its on dialect if you will among each of us but we do use them.

I to feel Jen does grasp remose of her response such as biting but

lacks impulse control when the sudden surge of emotions comsumes her

and she reacts before she can process the informations. I to do

this often enough even though have of words. So she might know and

understand one does not bite but she lacks ability to control that

reaction when she is of suged by emotion she does not knwo what to

do with. One can teach her a new reaction that she can learn to do

that she already has within her , or ones can do a FBA and only

observe Jens non verbals of surging emotions so people can see what

the one book terms as the rumbling in her before the outbursts to

teh team can then intervene in the rumbling not the over the edge of

no return because it does not allow room for teaching once we are at

that level because key to us in survival (I to find self going

through meltdowns like a volcano but it to me is also as if an

illusion and or in a deep fog where I to not see the begin or the

end of such emotional surging. If the team can learn of her non

verbals they can then see when her anxiety and or upset is happening

and intervene then. Such as one little girl I to use to work for

would have increase in finger nail picking and or hoarding when her

anxiety is of high and if not had of calming interventions then it

would rumbel to behaior outburst of being removed from the room

because of her aggression to ohter children in the room.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev! Sorry to hear you all had a bad day. I agree with Sondra on this. I

have a nine and a half year old daughter, Destiney, and she is non-verbal as

well. She too will act out her frustration of not having a choice or being

rushed around without time to process things. She throws temper tantrums. She

cries and throws herself on the floor. She is always very careful not to hurt

herself though. She does this at home sometimes...but mainly at school. I have

noticed that it is definitely when she feels she is not being heard or is having

a hard time with transitioning. We use PECS with Destiney and when she starts

to " melt down " here at home...I bring her the book and she will take out what

she wants or needs...most of the time. We also use a schedule board, which

outlines with pictures what we are doing. Such as " first we will do this then

we are going to do this " . Sometimes though, it is a guessing game with her.

My Destiney seems to not know when she does hurt somebody or does something

wrong. I think your daughter sounds like she has alot more understanding with

feelings than my Destiney. Does her school have anything in place for her to be

able to have her own voice known? At Destineys school they have her PECS in

place at her desk where as if she were to want something, they allow her to go

to her book and retrieve the appropriate picture of what she wants. This is not

to say that she does not ever have meltdowns because she still does...though

they have decreased over time with this system in place. When the teachers

response to her request is " not now " she most of the time will get upset and

have to go to the designated " calming down area " . Hope this helps!

Re: Today started out great and then...

Bev I to be happy you are of posting more and sharing of you life

to us here too. You daughter sounds quite frustrated over somethings

at school to act out in desperate need of to bite. I to wonder if

they are reaching into her speace before giving her time to process

and or if they are not allowing time for processing and or giving

her power to have choices and she is of wanting some control over

her world at school to some degree. Most often at school if one is

considered disabled to a moderate to profound degree they donot

allow them any options for self, they to make all the choices, they

move the students along as though they have no voice and if Jen is

seaking a voice she may lash back in aggression demanding some

respect from her own perspectives. It is not that they (the school

isnot respecting her) but they may not be respecting her space, her

needs at the moment or her attempts to communicate albeit by the odd

non verbals that even autistics can and often do use which is not

understood by most to be a form of communicating. Out non verbals

are like a culture in itself and so it has its own hidden messages

unless one invests enough time to study the non verbal language

being expressed by each person of autism because it will not be a

united culture as in we all use the same non verbals but a culture

of its on dialect if you will among each of us but we do use them.

I to feel Jen does grasp remose of her response such as biting but

lacks impulse control when the sudden surge of emotions comsumes her

and she reacts before she can process the informations. I to do

this often enough even though have of words. So she might know and

understand one does not bite but she lacks ability to control that

reaction when she is of suged by emotion she does not knwo what to

do with. One can teach her a new reaction that she can learn to do

that she already has within her , or ones can do a FBA and only

observe Jens non verbals of surging emotions so people can see what

the one book terms as the rumbling in her before the outbursts to

teh team can then intervene in the rumbling not the over the edge of

no return because it does not allow room for teaching once we are at

that level because key to us in survival (I to find self going

through meltdowns like a volcano but it to me is also as if an

illusion and or in a deep fog where I to not see the begin or the

end of such emotional surging. If the team can learn of her non

verbals they can then see when her anxiety and or upset is happening

and intervene then. Such as one little girl I to use to work for

would have increase in finger nail picking and or hoarding when her

anxiety is of high and if not had of calming interventions then it

would rumbel to behaior outburst of being removed from the room

because of her aggression to ohter children in the room.

Sondra

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[Guest guest]

Bev, sorry you're having these issues with Jen. Since you are

chelating have you considered yeast as a reason for her aggression?

Hang in there, we see Allie make gains with nearly every round!

Debi

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When the teachers response to her request is " not now " she most of

the time will get upset and have to go to the designated " calming down

area " . Hope this helps!

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maybe not have the teachers say not now but respond with when

such as in 5 minutes or after recess so it defines a concrete time for

her. Not now is vague and leaves no real visual of when........... too

abstract/

Sondra

[Guest guest]

That does sound like it would work alot better...I will definatly have them do

that and myself! Thanks Sondra

Re: Today started out great and then...

When the teachers response to her request is " not now " she most of

the time will get upset and have to go to the designated " calming down

area " . Hope this helps!

>

>

maybe not have the teachers say not now but respond with when

such as in 5 minutes or after recess so it defines a concrete time for

her. Not now is vague and leaves no real visual of when........... too

abstract/

Sondra

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[Guest guest]

Bev,

look at some of the triggers. Are they trying to pull her along to do another

task? Are they making her wait while they talk, before they can do something

else?

Poor Jen. My daughter used to bite only when someone hurt her. It hurt her

for people to pull on her arm or try to physcially motivate her. You know, when

you have a 2-3 year old you usually place your hands on their arms to gently

initiate movement, the idea to move this way or that.

Whatever, look at what triggers her to bite people. You've known her a lot

longer, think about what situations have occured to make her feel like she has

to bite people.

Good luck!

Candis

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I am glad to be back to communicating on the list. My husband had an

experimental bone marrow transplant at s Hopkins hospital June

2004 and he has been recovering. He could not work for a long time

and I had to do a great deal of work around the house and go my

regular job outside the house. I even installed my own floor in the

kitchen, hallway and dinning area. I could not afford any one to

come in to do the work so I went to a home improvement store and

took a free class and did it myself. I sold things on EBay to make

extra money. My husband's Lymphoma Non-Hoskins Follicular Cancer was

in stage 4 in 2001 and at that point the doctor said he would live

for 2 years. He tried the experiment vaccines at s Hopkins

Hospital, but because he was in a study he must have been in the

placebo group and his cancer came back. The doctor did tests on him

last month and the test showed he has no signs of Cancer. He is

considered to be Cancer Free. If he can make it for 5 years it might

be cure. So I just had my hand full for long while. I did stop in

and read the e-mail at times; I was very depressed and did not feel

right sharing a depression of that nature. Now that thing are

improving well I am back and very glad to be here.

had a much better day today, but she still became upset,

but last the whole day and rode the bus home. She has great anger at

adults at school and even on the bus at times. She does not respond

to me in the same way at home. I am not saying she does not get

upset with me; she helps me do the wash and sometimes she let me

know she would rather not be does a chore. I praise her and tell her

that I really need her help and some how she understands that I need

her. She load and unload the dryer and starts the dryer. I noticed

that she has recovered that if she does not have the door on the

dryer closed correctly that the dry will not start and she has to

correct the situation. She loads the Wash machine but I wish she

would learn to put wash on both side of the wash machine tub.

Tonight I started to teacher how to use stapler and make paper

chains for decoration. It was hard at first but after a little while

she was putting the paper in the next chain and helping guild the

paper to the stapler. I told her the nice thing about stapler is you

can really pound the stapler. It is a great to get your anger out. I

thing she understood because she seemed to be having a great time at

one point. I told to take the chain to school and show her teacher.

Maybe this will be a good thing for Jen. I know that was why I love

to make paper chain when I was younger and that it does not take a

long time to have a long chain! She took the paper chain and put in

her book bag. Maybe if the teacher sees that Jen can learn at home

she will look at Jen in a different light?

Also I ask Jen if she would work with her talking puzzles tonight.

It is a musical puzzle so I sing to her when she plays with the

puzzle. She likes when I sing. Another puzzle is an alphabet puzzle

I give her verbal clues and the puzzles talks when she put a puzzle

piece in the different spots. Another puzzle is a talking shape

puzzle and it says the name of the different shapes. Another puzzle

makes sound of different vehicle like a fire truck and airplane.

Then I also found a puzzle that tell about the different states and

sing " God Bless American " and " Star Spangle Banner " I think it is a

little hard but everyone enjoys the music and singing. Jen really

likes to play with puzzles. Puzzles have always been a strong parts

her.

Jen rarely has melt downs at Girl Scouts or even events and that

might because I am with her. The girls in her troop accept her as

she is and they interact with her mostly when she chooses. Of course

she has her favorite friend and when LyOna is at Girl Scout meeting

Jen is the happiest. Kim Jen's sister tells Jen that LyOna belong to

her, but Jen know different. It some way I think LyOna and Jen found

way to help each other. Jen is always with LyOna when we go hiking

because LyOna has trouble walking in the woods and climbing up

hills. LyOna counts on Jen to help pull her up the hills and Jen is

more than willing to help LyOna. LyOna always thanks Jen, because

without Jen LyOna would become too tired to make a hike that the

other girls think is just regular fun. LyOna is from the " Hood " as

she calls it. She is extremely protective of Jen and she has a way

about her that is ruff on the surface, but she has the heart of gold

inside. In away they complete each other in their friendship.

I really think you have some great points Sondra, and . I am

going to share your ideas with the school and it will help Jen.

If anyone has more ideas or suggestion please share them with me Jen

really need your help and so do I.

Take Care,

Bev Weakley

[Guest guest]

Bev, my prayers are with your family. This is wonderful news about your

husband. So glad you're back with the group. I've been here a little over

a year (in this group) and it has given me much needed reassurance that I'm

not alone. I hope we do the same for you. My daughter will be 10

soon and I'm trying to teach her some of the skills you have taught your

daughter (the laundry, dryer, dishwasher). Problem is she has so many

sensory issues that she is terrified to start these appliances because of

the noise they make. Also, she doesn't like to handle the dirty clothes, or

dishes. It's always something.... You've done great with your daughter

and she's lucky to have a Mom like you.

Diane ('s Mom)

Re: Today started out great and then...

I am glad to be back to communicating on the list. My husband had an

experimental bone marrow transplant at s Hopkins hospital June

2004 and he has been recovering. He could not work for a long time

and I had to do a great deal of work around the house and go my

regular job outside the house. I even installed my own floor in the

kitchen, hallway and dinning area. I could not afford any one to

come in to do the work so I went to a home improvement store and

took a free class and did it myself. I sold things on EBay to make

extra money. My husband's Lymphoma Non-Hoskins Follicular Cancer was

in stage 4 in 2001 and at that point the doctor said he would live

for 2 years. He tried the experiment vaccines at s Hopkins

Hospital, but because he was in a study he must have been in the

placebo group and his cancer came back. The doctor did tests on him

last month and the test showed he has no signs of Cancer. He is

considered to be Cancer Free. If he can make it for 5 years it might

be cure. So I just had my hand full for long while. I did stop in

and read the e-mail at times; I was very depressed and did not feel

right sharing a depression of that nature. Now that thing are

improving well I am back and very glad to be here.

had a much better day today, but she still became upset,

but last the whole day and rode the bus home. She has great anger at

adults at school and even on the bus at times. She does not respond

to me in the same way at home. I am not saying she does not get

upset with me; she helps me do the wash and sometimes she let me

know she would rather not be does a chore. I praise her and tell her

that I really need her help and some how she understands that I need

her. She load and unload the dryer and starts the dryer. I noticed

that she has recovered that if she does not have the door on the

dryer closed correctly that the dry will not start and she has to

correct the situation. She loads the Wash machine but I wish she

would learn to put wash on both side of the wash machine tub.

Tonight I started to teacher how to use stapler and make paper

chains for decoration. It was hard at first but after a little while

she was putting the paper in the next chain and helping guild the

paper to the stapler. I told her the nice thing about stapler is you

can really pound the stapler. It is a great to get your anger out. I

thing she understood because she seemed to be having a great time at

one point. I told to take the chain to school and show her teacher.

Maybe this will be a good thing for Jen. I know that was why I love

to make paper chain when I was younger and that it does not take a

long time to have a long chain! She took the paper chain and put in

her book bag. Maybe if the teacher sees that Jen can learn at home

she will look at Jen in a different light?

Also I ask Jen if she would work with her talking puzzles tonight.

It is a musical puzzle so I sing to her when she plays with the

puzzle. She likes when I sing. Another puzzle is an alphabet puzzle

I give her verbal clues and the puzzles talks when she put a puzzle

piece in the different spots. Another puzzle is a talking shape

puzzle and it says the name of the different shapes. Another puzzle

makes sound of different vehicle like a fire truck and airplane.

Then I also found a puzzle that tell about the different states and

sing " God Bless American " and " Star Spangle Banner " I think it is a

little hard but everyone enjoys the music and singing. Jen really

likes to play with puzzles. Puzzles have always been a strong parts

her.

Jen rarely has melt downs at Girl Scouts or even events and that

might because I am with her. The girls in her troop accept her as

she is and they interact with her mostly when she chooses. Of course

she has her favorite friend and when LyOna is at Girl Scout meeting

Jen is the happiest. Kim Jen's sister tells Jen that LyOna belong to

her, but Jen know different. It some way I think LyOna and Jen found

way to help each other. Jen is always with LyOna when we go hiking

because LyOna has trouble walking in the woods and climbing up

hills. LyOna counts on Jen to help pull her up the hills and Jen is

more than willing to help LyOna. LyOna always thanks Jen, because

without Jen LyOna would become too tired to make a hike that the

other girls think is just regular fun. LyOna is from the " Hood " as

she calls it. She is extremely protective of Jen and she has a way

about her that is ruff on the surface, but she has the heart of gold

inside. In away they complete each other in their friendship.

I really think you have some great points Sondra, and . I am

going to share your ideas with the school and it will help Jen.

If anyone has more ideas or suggestion please share them with me Jen

really need your help and so do I.

Take Care,

Bev Weakley

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I think they are every nice to Jen at school. I was an art teacher

for years and I play at everything I do. I do not how other teacher

reacts to their students. For Years I volunteer as a Girl Scout

Leader and now Advisor for Teens and I plan events for the Girls in

our Girl Scout Neighborhood. Even though I work I find way to play

at the work I do. I would think it could a big difference between

school and home. Kim and I have fun and we always find a way to

include Jen. Sometimes Jen tells us what we are doing is dumb and

usually she correct, but we play at life. That would be a big

difference. We always have a few art or craft project in progress.

My husband looks at us and laughs because some of our projects are

more disasters and Jen will deem them to be dumb. But we play at

life and that is fun.

We do a lot of event camping with the Girl Scouts and fun is the

name of the game. Every year Day Camp is required and it is fun. The

creek at Day Camp is a great place to explore and just sit in when

the weather is hot! Girl Scouts is every day at our house. The

standing joke on me from the other adult Girl Scouts is that I bleed

green! My husband says I would put myself in the line of fire if the

Girl Scout would only ask. The truth is he is correct, but I love

Girls Scouts. I really think it was one of the best things I have

ever done for my daughters and their friends. Even when my husband

was recovering I found a way to help with the Girl Scouts and my

daughter Girl Scout experiences. While my husband was recovering I

took the teen girls from our neighborhood camping at the beach and

our troop attended Beach Jam. Jen is always included and Roller

Skating was her last experience. We might go Snow tubing next. Two

years ago it took an hour to talk Jen into a snow tub, but was she

proud after she over came the experience. The man at the top of the

slope said we could stay all night, but one time down the slope was

more than enough for both of us.

So I guess there is big difference from home to school. I never

really thought about the differences.

Bev

[Guest guest]

Bev, so glad to hear your husband's doing better! My grandmother was

dxed with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma 8 yrs ago. She's been cancer-free for

6 yrs, is 83 yrs old. I did know the specifics of what type but I've

since forgotten. I think she was a stage 2 or 3 at the worst. If you

ever need any info sharing details about the treatment, I'd be glad to

get it, but I'm sure you won't ever have to worry about it again!

I can't help but wonder if your daughter is feeling stressed at not

being able to communicate her desires. I know a typical 16 yr old is

usually dreaming of her future and what she wants to do. Clearly your

daughter is a typical 16 yr old with some roadblocks. It would have to

be very frustrating. Maybe she's not feeling grown-up enough in her

program? Allie's preschool teacher used to work with highschoolers,

she said they often feel that they aren't treated with enough dignity,

that they have hopes, dreams, and desires like anyone else. I don't

really know what you could do about it, hopefully the communication

gap will continue to close and she'll be able to express more

appropriately what her feelings are.

Debi

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I did brush therapy on Jen. I used a soft brush from the hospital.

The kind that they use to scrub person who is to have an operation.

It is the softest brush I ever felt. I would brush her starting at

spine working my way out to finger tips and toes. I did this 12

times a day for weeks and she changed. She was about 5 to 7 years old

at the time and so it would be easier then if I tried it now at now

at 17 years old.

She has also developed an antibody to Candidate (Yeast Over growth)

as did I. We did the diet and medication. The doctor said it is rare

to develop an antibody to Candidate.

I made up a touch box and smell box with Kim's help. Every day we

would sit with Jen and we would open the plastic bag with different

smells have a sniff and try to touch different surfaces. All the

smells were things that were safe to smell.

I would take Jen and roll her in our king size bed and tell her to

roll back to Mommy. My husband stood one the other side to protect

Jen. She leaned to play the game and she would roll back to me. Then

it got the point that she would just roll back a forth in the bed.

You know the desk chairs that spin. We would play to game " Wind up

and Unwind Jen " everyday. Kim like to be in the chair too and play

wind up and Unwind Kim " . I would spin Jen twenty times in one

direction and then I would wind Jen by spinning her back the other

direction.

I put aluminum foil in Jen windows of her bedroom to make the room

completely dark. I would sit in the dark room and very softly whisper

to Jen what was going to happen today and in the next days to come.

Later I would do the same in room with light and then again I would

turn off the lights.

Kim needed to improvement Kim's minor motor skill because at the time

she had eye movement disorder and a process problem she has recovered

due to chelation. I ask Kim if she would color pictures form many

coloring books for Jen. She wanted to help her sister so she did what

was very hard for her to do, in the process she helped herself. She

colored with glow in the dark crayons and I purchased a black light.

We put the pictures in a big notebook with plastic pages to slide in

the colored pictures. Then I turned on the black light and turned out

the lights. Jen, Kim and I would look at the pictures and Kim and

tell me what was going on in each picture. Kim would make up little

stories about the pictures and Jen would be sitting with us. Kim

would color a new picture each day and so would color three or four

picture each day, so were would have new things to talk about and I

was hopeful that Jen might pick up on what was going.

Jen also had A.I.T. twice and I know it helped her.

Jen for a while was doing facilitated communication using a Barney

computer program. I put a touch screen on the computer that a county

program bought for Jen. I am sure that is where she learned her

colors.

I also think as the chelation has helped Jen tremendously.

Bev Weakley

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had a great day today! The teacher wrote, " Jen had a super

day – I wish I knew where this kid came from today! She was

cooperative, smiling, following directions and participated in every

activity. "

The only thing that happened today that was not too great today was

that when Speech Teacher came into to class refused to

speak. I think that this not speaking could be a control issue.

I have been using DMSP-TD and ALA for chelating for Mercury

and Heavy Metal, but this past weekend I did a Doctor Data test on

using DMSA and ALA. The last time I did the test it seemed

that made progress this time I noticed the same improvement.

I wonder if the 2 mediations DMPS-TD and DMSA work differently and

that if going back and forth between the two medications is a good

thing because of the differences.

Does anyone have ideas on this subject?

Bev Weakley