Re: female issues/ discomfort and moods

[Guest guest]

Wow, that is a lot to think about Sondra!

First, let me address the pet issue. There is actually something

called Pet Therapy, in which animals are used for people with chronic

illness, depression, anxiety, etc. and it has been shown that animals

help the healing process, reduce stress, lower blood pressure and

help people live longer. So your instincts that a pet will help you

feel better are right on.

Second, I can assure you that having a hysterectomy will not turn to

into a male! LOL This is something you really want to discuss with

your doctor, as there are many risks and side effects to consider.

There will be quite a bit of post operative pain. You won't have

menstrual issues any longer, but if you have your ovaries removed

then you will be dealing with early menopause, and that can be

unpleasant as well. Perhaps there are some non-surgical solutions

you can look into?

> well I to be to share am of ready to have the doctors take out ofmy

> female parts because it has always been too much for me and painful.

> I to be to had of four childrens and not want anymore childrens at

> all. I to be to lack why womans to have monthly still if they are of

> done and want no more childrens.

>

> I to be one who is hyper reactive to medications and even the patch

> causes me to have severe vomitting within 12-24 hours of putting the

> patch on. cant take of pills or other interventions, I to be to get

> so much moods and pains and cramps and anger issues to monthly

> female issues and so really want to be to take female parts out of

> me and let me turn into a male person now. I to feel ever so done

> being of female one.

>

> If they take of all the feamle parts out from you tummy how long

> will you hormones be before turning you to a male person?

>

> I to also be of having sad moods much lately and want of a new

> little pug puppy that is of ever so tiny and soft and want to have

> it to hold and carry to me to bring me calm for awhile. I to much

> saw of her at the pet store the other day and she was of little and

> cuddly. I to have of pets already but wonder do any here find when

> they get of sad feels they want and or seek out a new pet to love

> and care for.

> Sondra

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's funny you mention it Sondra. I made my husband say it was okay for me

to get a new puppy (Labrador Retriever) next weekend for just this reason.

I already have a dog but he's very old. I truly believe in the

psychological benefits to be had by having a dog. Mine has helped me very

much at times. Hope you can get your puppy..

Diane ('s Mom)

female issues/ discomfort and moods

well I to be to share am of ready to have the doctors take out ofmy

female parts because it has always been too much for me and painful.

I to be to had of four childrens and not want anymore childrens at

all. I to be to lack why womans to have monthly still if they are of

done and want no more childrens.

I to be one who is hyper reactive to medications and even the patch

causes me to have severe vomitting within 12-24 hours of putting the

patch on. cant take of pills or other interventions, I to be to get

so much moods and pains and cramps and anger issues to monthly

female issues and so really want to be to take female parts out of

me and let me turn into a male person now. I to feel ever so done

being of female one.

If they take of all the feamle parts out from you tummy how long

will you hormones be before turning you to a male person?

I to also be of having sad moods much lately and want of a new

little pug puppy that is of ever so tiny and soft and want to have

it to hold and carry to me to bring me calm for awhile. I to much

saw of her at the pet store the other day and she was of little and

cuddly. I to have of pets already but wonder do any here find when

they get of sad feels they want and or seek out a new pet to love

and care for.

Sondra

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[Guest guest]

the husband to say NO more pets and so am of angry and sad to this as

I to have two dogs already and one cat in which I to love much so

already but my Libby is with much hip pain and is of a big dog who is

getting old and not likes to be of cuddles to me like she did time

ago, Sadie is of Aimee's dog not mine and the cat is everybodies and I

to love her but she is of one who wants of affection only when she

wants of it , or she will bite of you not hard but enough to say leave

ofme alone. But when I to help that little 8 week old puppy who to

cuddled to me and looked up with those little tiny eyes of sad look I

to wanted her much so then . But the husband to say NO.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

If you to have all you females things taken out then what sex will you

become if you are not of a female anymore? I to be just so much tied

of the female things because they are of painful and hurt too much for

me to keep coping it and it is of causing me to be of so much moods.

Everybody gets mean to me when I to be to have this time of month and

not like it.

I to be to want all this sick, tired and pains things to be to stop

and it is making me so much sad because rare to feel good inside the

body of me and people lack that and think I tobe just being bad with a

purpose and being rude or blunt with intent and it makes ofme want to

scream at them all.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

I just meant that whether you are male or female is determined by

your sex chromosomes, not what " parts " you have or no longer have. I

understand that you are tired of your chronic menstrual problems. I

have a very close friend for whom 3 weeks out of the month are very

uncomfortable and painful for her. I suspect you have some hormonal

imbalances, as this is quite common. I just wanted to caution you

that removing your reproductive organs can alleviate the current set

of problems you describe, but can also bring about a whole new set of

problems, as your body is forced into menopause in an unnatural way

before it is ready. You might get hot flashes, night sweats,

insomnia, depression, and your moods might be even worse. (If my

mother-in-law is any indication LOL!) it's just very important not

to be hasty in your decision and carefully weigh the pros and cons.

> If you to have all you females things taken out then what sex will you

> become if you are not of a female anymore? I to be just so much tied

> of the female things because they are of painful and hurt too much for

> me to keep coping it and it is of causing me to be of so much moods.

> Everybody gets mean to me when I to be to have this time of month and

> not like it.

>

> I to be to want all this sick, tired and pains things to be to stop

> and it is making me so much sad because rare to feel good inside the

> body of me and people lack that and think I tobe just being bad with a

> purpose and being rude or blunt with intent and it makes ofme want to

> scream at them all.

> Sondra

[Guest guest]

this is hard for me to visualize as not sure but will share to

clarify of my confusion how do men turn to females and females to

males then.

I to thinked they took off the parts one is born with and this maked

them grow to be of another gender. I to wante to be of no more a

female because it is of too hard to be one. I to feel it might be of

easier to be of male and not have female issues. they do not have as

much life issues and roles and work things females tend to have so

just want to make of life some easier now. I to be feeling

overwhelmed by so much expectations to me and not having the skills

to do tehm all well. I to be just feeling frustrated and not knowing

the answers and so seeking some. I to be to understand hormones can

be to blame for much of things and it is of ever so strong to me

too.

Sondra

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wrote:

>

> Sondra,

>

> I just meant that whether you are male or female is determined by

> your sex chromosomes, not what " parts " you have or no longer

have. I

> understand that you are tired of your chronic menstrual problems.

I

> have a very close friend for whom 3 weeks out of the month are

very

> uncomfortable and painful for her. I suspect you have some

hormonal

> imbalances, as this is quite common. I just wanted to caution

you

> that removing your reproductive organs can alleviate the current

set

> of problems you describe, but can also bring about a whole new set

of

> problems, as your body is forced into menopause in an unnatural

way

> before it is ready. You might get hot flashes, night sweats,

> insomnia, depression, and your moods might be even worse. (If my

> mother-in-law is any indication LOL!) it's just very important

not

> to be hasty in your decision and carefully weigh the pros and cons.

>

>

>

>

>

> > If you to have all you females things taken out then what sex

will you

> > become if you are not of a female anymore? I to be just so much

tied

> > of the female things because they are of painful and hurt too

much for

> > me to keep coping it and it is of causing me to be of so much

moods.

> > Everybody gets mean to me when I to be to have this time of

month and

> > not like it.

> >

> > I to be to want all this sick, tired and pains things to be to

stop

> > and it is making me so much sad because rare to feel good inside

the

> > body of me and people lack that and think I tobe just being bad

with a

> > purpose and being rude or blunt with intent and it makes ofme

want to

> > scream at them all.

> > Sondra

>

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

Well, that would be a bit more complicated. That type of surgery is

called sexual reassignment surgery, or more commonly, a sex change

operation. This would involve intense psychological counseling of

the person before such surgery would even be undertaken. A person

who would undergo this type of surgery would essentially feel (and

have indeed always felt) that they were the opposite sex trapped in

their body. After it was determined that they were a good candidate

for the surgery, they would begin incremental treatments with

hormones of the opposite sex, and finally, the surgery would involve

removal of the sex organs, which would then be replaced with organs

of the opposite sex. So not only would you have your ovaries, uterus

and breasts removed, but then you would also get a penis and

testicles. I don't know your husband, but it would seem unlikely

that he would be interested in being married to a man! LOL MY

mother had to have a radical hysterectomy at age 40 due to some

fibroid tumors and other problems, and I can tell you with certainty

that she never lost her beauty and charm, and never stopped feeling

like a woman. Being a woman is a wonderful blessing, Sondra. It can

be very trying at times with menstruation, childbirth, menopause,

etc, but that is only a small part of what it means to be a woman.

it is possible to alleviate those negative symptoms without resorting

to drastic measures. It may take some time and detective work. You

are a beautiful WOMAN, Sondra. Without all of these female problems,

you will still be a woman. It's like I know that when I have healed

my daughter, she will still be HER, just without the suffering.

> this is hard for me to visualize as not sure but will share to

> clarify of my confusion how do men turn to females and females to

> males then.

>

> I to thinked they took off the parts one is born with and this maked

> them grow to be of another gender. I to wante to be of no more a

> female because it is of too hard to be one. I to feel it might be of

> easier to be of male and not have female issues. they do not have as

> much life issues and roles and work things females tend to have so

> just want to make of life some easier now. I to be feeling

> overwhelmed by so much expectations to me and not having the skills

> to do tehm all well. I to be just feeling frustrated and not knowing

> the answers and so seeking some. I to be to understand hormones can

> be to blame for much of things and it is of ever so strong to me

> too.

> Sondra

>>> e of so much

> moods.

>>> Everybody gets mean to me when I to be to have this time of

> month and

>>> not like it.

>>>

>>> I to be to want all this sick, tired and pains things to be to

> stop

>>> and it is making me so much sad because rare to feel good inside

> the

>>> body of me and people lack that and think I tobe just being bad

> with a

>>> purpose and being rude or blunt with intent and it makes ofme

> want to

>>> scream at them all.

>>> Sondra

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sondra,

The female issues that you are describing sound a lot like mine. I have

two things going on. The first is endometriosis, and it makes things

very painful. The only way a doctor can tell for sure if you have it is

to do surgery and go in and look around.

The anger issues are something else I deal with along with a lot of

anxiety and other stuff. My doctor diagonosed me with a very extreme

form of PMS called Premenstral Dysforia Disorder (PMDD) and I have to

take prozac for it. The interesting thing is that people with PMDD

don't do well with any form of birth control for things like menstral pain.

Georga

sondra wrote:

>well I to be to share am of ready to have the doctors take out ofmy

>female parts because it has always been too much for me and painful.

>I to be to had of four childrens and not want anymore childrens at

>all. I to be to lack why womans to have monthly still if they are of

>done and want no more childrens.

>

>I to be one who is hyper reactive to medications and even the patch

>causes me to have severe vomitting within 12-24 hours of putting the

>patch on. cant take of pills or other interventions, I to be to get

>so much moods and pains and cramps and anger issues to monthly

>female issues and so really want to be to take female parts out of

>me and let me turn into a male person now. I to feel ever so done

>being of female one.

>

>If they take of all the feamle parts out from you tummy how long

>will you hormones be before turning you to a male person?

>

>I to also be of having sad moods much lately and want of a new

>little pug puppy that is of ever so tiny and soft and want to have

>it to hold and carry to me to bring me calm for awhile. I to much

>saw of her at the pet store the other day and she was of little and

>cuddly. I to have of pets already but wonder do any here find when

>they get of sad feels they want and or seek out a new pet to love

>and care for.

>Sondra

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sondra,

May I ask how old you are? I can relate to much of what you describe,

though my symptoms are probably not as strong as yours. I am 44. There is this

time period that comes before menopause and can overlap with menopause....it is

called perimenopause, and it can begin up to ten years before menopause.

Hormones fluctuate wildly and this can cause so so many symptoms. Combine that

with

maybe something like Seasonal Affective Disorder, which is like a depression

brought on by the darker days of winter, and also a sinus infection, and all

the other things you have to deal with, and it adds up to overwhelming stuff!

I would like to strongly recommend, if you are interested, the book

called " Before The Change " by a woman named Ann Lose Gittleman. These are some

things that help me somewhat with moods and everything else: a good

multivitamin,

an extra B complex vitamin, one to two Tablespoons a day of high-lignan flax

oil ( can get in a natural food store), Yoga, talking to friends, counseling

(on and off), trying to avoid sugar and caffeine (this is hard for me), and

adjusting my expectations of myself--making more reasonable goals. At one point

Prozac also helped me.

In any case, I agree that is seems like it is harder to be female. I also

think it is a richer life experience. We are not supposed to be the same all

the time--the moon has phases and cycles and so do we. Not that it should or

has t be a crazy roller coaster ride either!

I think it is perfectly natural to want a puppy to love.

Please take care and keep writing and sharing. Like many on this list I

love and appreciate your posts.

Melinda

[Guest guest]

cathy I to not ever feel am of a male person at all . Never really

to feeled any gender specific to me so I to always say my gender is

a ME gender. I to not think I to want to be of sex change things as

that sounds of scary and too much things one has to do and it sounds

much painful to have of all that. But I to be to not want to be of

female parts of me either. And yes not thinked of it the husband

would be of much upset if my body turned of a male person. Neither

the husband or me have of that sex way thinkings within us to be of

same sex for sex things. I to guess you have to be to have it born

to you to be of that too. I to be just saying tired of the role life

dictates to me , it brings me too much pysical pains it causes me to

think am of going to be to go crazy at times and never seem to know

what I to want or need. I to sometimes want to go out and within

minutes I to be to want to come back home and not be out. I to also

be to feel winters are very hard to me and also cause me great

sensory pains of the cold and cant ever seem to get of warm and so

it causes an aggression and agitiations to me I to hate cold. The

husband to say 73 is of all he will allow of the hear, but to me

would prefer of 75 or so in the home of me. I to be to snuggle much

to a heat pad and blankets much of the winter when can. I to go to

bed more and lay under much blankets to just not have a chill to me.

Even teh air from my own lungs hitting my arm or skin when lay in

bed causes me to get agitated and upset to it and have to wrap of

the arm with blanket to keep my air from reaching my skin.

The childrens are always smothering out my space. they are always

interupting my thinking and words, my word retrieval in speaking is

much off and I to get upset because know of the word but cant say it

and say many words instead of the right one. Other times I to be to

try to say of my words and they are ignored and or if not heared by

the ones I to want ot be listening to them. Boundaries are often

evaded of me and it causes me to feel no place is of a safe and or

quiet to me and it causes me to cycle to various states of emotional

confusions.

My sleep is out of sorts and not sleeping right and actually

sleeping more than ever that is not norms for me and this is making

it hard to keep pushing slef to do right things expected of me when

the body feels heavily sedated.

I to be to had testing of the blood last week and was placed on

strong antibiotic for sinus infections, but the doctor to called

this morning and left of message for me to contact them back about

the blood work. I to be tried but the phone sends out busy signals

yet. I to be just getting over being sick again. I to be to just

think being of male person would be of easier to me . I to get angry

for not being born of one, but also happy because of being able to

have of babies . I to be just mixed up this week and too much is

causing me cycling of uncertain and confusions . this is of list for

female issues so felt it safe to vent it here.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

You are right that being a man is considerably easier in the

reproductive realm. Men pretty much have an orgasm and then sit back

at wait. Yes, I am oversimplifying but that's pretty much the way it

was around here LOL! I guess Eve never should have eaten that darned

apple, right? :-)

Given that you are on a strong antibiotic, please make sure that you

are taking a good quality probiotic, since you are clearly

susceptible to yeast, and that could be causing a lot of the symptoms

you describe. In fact, i have long suspected that you have a chronic

candida issue. I know you have a Wild Oats near you. Why don't you

have someone there help you select a good probiotic? That will help

replace some of your good flora in your colon.

> cathy I to not ever feel am of a male person at all . Never really

> to feeled any gender specific to me so I to always say my gender is

> a ME gender. I to not think I to want to be of sex change things as

> that sounds of scary and too much things one has to do and it sounds

> much painful to have of all that. But I to be to not want to be of

> female parts of me either. And yes not thinked of it the husband

> would be of much upset if my body turned of a male person. Neither

> the husband or me have of that sex way thinkings within us to be of

> same sex for sex things. I to guess you have to be to have it born

> to you to be of that too. I to be just saying tired of the role life

> dictates to me , it brings me too much pysical pains it causes me to

> think am of going to be to go crazy at times and never seem to know

> what I to want or need. I to sometimes want to go out and within

> minutes I to be to want to come back home and not be out. I to also

> be to feel winters are very hard to me and also cause me great

> sensory pains of the cold and cant ever seem to get of warm and so

> it causes an aggression and agitiations to me I to hate cold. The

> husband to say 73 is of all he will allow of the hear, but to me

> would prefer of 75 or so in the home of me. I to be to snuggle much

> to a heat pad and blankets much of the winter when can. I to go to

> bed more and lay under much blankets to just not have a chill to me.

> Even teh air from my own lungs hitting my arm or skin when lay in

> bed causes me to get agitated and upset to it and have to wrap of

> the arm with blanket to keep my air from reaching my skin.

>

> The childrens are always smothering out my space. they are always

> interupting my thinking and words, my word retrieval in speaking is

> much off and I to get upset because know of the word but cant say it

> and say many words instead of the right one. Other times I to be to

> try to say of my words and they are ignored and or if not heared by

> the ones I to want ot be listening to them. Boundaries are often

> evaded of me and it causes me to feel no place is of a safe and or

> quiet to me and it causes me to cycle to various states of emotional

> confusions.

>

> My sleep is out of sorts and not sleeping right and actually

> sleeping more than ever that is not norms for me and this is making

> it hard to keep pushing slef to do right things expected of me when

> the body feels heavily sedated.

>

> I to be to had testing of the blood last week and was placed on

> strong antibiotic for sinus infections, but the doctor to called

> this morning and left of message for me to contact them back about

> the blood work. I to be tried but the phone sends out busy signals

> yet. I to be just getting over being sick again. I to be to just

> think being of male person would be of easier to me . I to get angry

> for not being born of one, but also happy because of being able to

> have of babies . I to be just mixed up this week and too much is

> causing me cycling of uncertain and confusions . this is of list for

> female issues so felt it safe to vent it here.

>

> Sondra

>

[Guest guest]

Sondra, I wanted to jump in this posting and mention that if you do

have a hysterectomy (your parts removed) oftentimes women are then put

on hormones because of the sudden dropin hormones when the parts are

removed. I could never take the pill either, so my fear would be that

you would have your parts gone, have to take hormones because of the

sudden change, and your problems would still be there, only you would

have fewer choices because they would be gone.

Also Sondra, if you do have your uterus and ovaries removed (your

inside parts) you would still have your vagina and labia, all the

parts between your legs that you see. You would still be able to have

sex with your husband, but the vagina (where the penis goes) is sewn

at the top, where there used to be a cervix there would be nothing.

You would also still have your breasts. I'm not sure what parts you

were talking about getting rid of, just wanted to try to help you

visualize what would still be there.

Also, after reading your posts, it sounds to me that you are feeling

very stressed about lots of things. Do you think a lot of your stress

is because it's getting time for the baby to be born? I would be very

natural for you to feel the way you are feeling right now as a

response to this big time in your life. It being winter time with cold

and little sunlight, you being sick and on antibiotics, and the baby

coming soon would be enough to stress anyone.

Have you thought about any natural treatments or other medications to

help you feel better? Evening primrose oil can help with all the

moods, you can buy that at any local drugstore in the supplements

aisle, it's usually near the cod liver oil. Also, there's something

called valerian root that is sometimes sold in drug stores, sometimes

health food stores, that can help you relax a little, it's an extract

from green tea. If you like warm drinks, maybe trying to drink some

green tea every day can help you. Also, you can try chamomile tea, you

can find this in the tea aisle of the grocery store. There's also at

my store a chamomile/mint tea that feels good to the tummy, mints help

when you feel sick. If you like breath mints, some spearmint or

peppermints can help you not feel so sick to your tummy.

I had a stomach virus last week that made me feel bad for days. I

finally, after trying lots of stuff, took a pepcid. Within about 2 hrs

I felt like my old self. I thought a lot about people with autism

during that time. For days all I could do was lay in the bed, when I

would get up I would feel like crap. Made me think about all of you

and our kids with autism. If Allie felt like that, how she must have

suffered when I made her do therapy. So very sad, I cried quite a bit.

That's why I push biomedical treatments so heavily, I can't imagine a

little 2 year old having all these sicknesses in her body and being

forced to comply without helping those problems first.

You could also try some medications to help if you are still feeling

overwhelmed. I can say with certainty that zoloft has saved Allie's

life in that she's able to function on it, without it she was not

functioning at all. I know with your history you were abused with

medications, but in the right way, after other sensible treatmens have

been tried and with a quality health care professional, it can be a

very good thing for some people.

HTH,

Debi

[Guest guest]

Please do not laugh but I to often forget of my age but was born in

December 20 of 1962. so that makes me in my 40's somewhere. Yes

perimenoupuse is of something familar with. Blood work comed back

normals as it always does which is of good but makes me to feel more

crazy LOL.

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Debbie I to not be to knowed or understood all this in such details

before. So if they take out you female parts you male hormones will

not turn you male. I to lacked any real concept of how that process

worked but did watch of a show of people changing their genders and

lacked how it was done but thinked they just took out the male or

female parts and the hormones over time turned you to the opposite

gender. I be thought that was of the surgery they had. This is all

new to me and so need time to think of it more from you

perspectives.

Sondra

In Autism_in_Girls , " Debi " <fightingautism@y...>

wrote:

>

> Sondra, I wanted to jump in this posting and mention that if you do

> have a hysterectomy (your parts removed) oftentimes women are then

put

> on hormones because of the sudden dropin hormones when the parts

are

> removed. I could never take the pill either, so my fear would be

that

> you would have your parts gone, have to take hormones because of

the

> sudden change, and your problems would still be there, only you

would

> have fewer choices because they would be gone.

>

> Also Sondra, if you do have your uterus and ovaries removed (your

> inside parts) you would still have your vagina and labia, all the

> parts between your legs that you see. You would still be able to

have

> sex with your husband, but the vagina (where the penis goes) is

sewn

> at the top, where there used to be a cervix there would be nothing.

> You would also still have your breasts. I'm not sure what parts you

> were talking about getting rid of, just wanted to try to help you

> visualize what would still be there.

>

> Also, after reading your posts, it sounds to me that you are

feeling

> very stressed about lots of things. Do you think a lot of your

stress

> is because it's getting time for the baby to be born? I would be

very

> natural for you to feel the way you are feeling right now as a

> response to this big time in your life. It being winter time with

cold

> and little sunlight, you being sick and on antibiotics, and the

baby

> coming soon would be enough to stress anyone.

>

> Have you thought about any natural treatments or other medications

to

> help you feel better? Evening primrose oil can help with all the

> moods, you can buy that at any local drugstore in the supplements

> aisle, it's usually near the cod liver oil. Also, there's something

> called valerian root that is sometimes sold in drug stores,

sometimes

> health food stores, that can help you relax a little, it's an

extract

> from green tea. If you like warm drinks, maybe trying to drink some

> green tea every day can help you. Also, you can try chamomile tea,

you

> can find this in the tea aisle of the grocery store. There's also

at

> my store a chamomile/mint tea that feels good to the tummy, mints

help

> when you feel sick. If you like breath mints, some spearmint or

> peppermints can help you not feel so sick to your tummy.

>

> I had a stomach virus last week that made me feel bad for days. I

> finally, after trying lots of stuff, took a pepcid. Within about 2

hrs

> I felt like my old self. I thought a lot about people with autism

> during that time. For days all I could do was lay in the bed, when

I

> would get up I would feel like crap. Made me think about all of you

> and our kids with autism. If Allie felt like that, how she must

have

> suffered when I made her do therapy. So very sad, I cried quite a

bit.

> That's why I push biomedical treatments so heavily, I can't

imagine a

> little 2 year old having all these sicknesses in her body and being

> forced to comply without helping those problems first.

>

> You could also try some medications to help if you are still

feeling

> overwhelmed. I can say with certainty that zoloft has saved Allie's

> life in that she's able to function on it, without it she was not

> functioning at all. I know with your history you were abused with

> medications, but in the right way, after other sensible treatmens

have

> been tried and with a quality health care professional, it can be a

> very good thing for some people.

>

> HTH,

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

To everyone:if anyone is offended by discussions of human

anatomy/sexuality, you might want to avoid reading this. At times

we've had these very open discussions with people with autism and NT's

but I know there are some new people on the board so I wanted to explain.

Sondra, basically the male parts, the testicles and penis, grow on the

baby while pregnant. If I remember it correctly, around the end of the

first trimester a male baby will start growing his parts. Once a baby

gets passed that stage, the parts will never grow on their own. I

think the genes turn off and on very quickly to stimulate this part of

development. I think of it sort of like a leg. If the leg doesn't grow

from the baby while the baby is inside it's mother, the baby will

never grow a leg because that part of growth is turned off. Sorta like

baking a cake. You turn the oven on for a few minutes and then pull

the cake. If you find it weren't done and it goes flat, you can never

make the cake rise again, it's just too late in the cooking process.

If a woman took male hormones, she might not have periods, might grow

body hair, and might get deeper voices, but it would not make the

vulva (everything between your legs) change to a penis, the genes will

have already shut off growing when the woman was a fetus in her

mother's tummy.

If a male, on the other hand, took female hormones, he might develop

some breast growth, lose some facial hair, and his penis might stop

getting errections and/or the testicles might stop functioning to make

semen. But the penis will not disappear and grow into a vulva because

the genes have already shut off when he was in his mother's tummy.

I'm not sure all the details of what parts make what hormones, but

it's my understanding that the ovaries (the egg-like part that makes

the ovum) produce some hormones and the uterus makes some hormones. If

you remove those, you remove a lot of what made hormones, but I think

the breast still makes tiny amounts. When women get their uterus and

ovaries removed, they do tend to grow facial hair and perhaps a few

other minor changes, but they will always stay a woman with their

vulvas and breasts.

If I understand it correctly, in sex-changes, when a woman wants to

become a man, she will start taking testosterone to get the facial

hair, get the deeper voice, and get more muscles. But the uterus and

overies are removed, the breasts are removed, and artificial materials

are used to make a woman's vagina look like a penis and implants are

used to make her labia (the part between your legs with hair) look

more like testicles. I don't know if these people who go through the

sex changes are still able to have orgasms or not, I've never heard

that addressed. If it's a man becoming a woman, the testicles and

penis are removed and skin is reworked to look more like a vulva. They

also get breast implants to look more like a woman.

[Guest guest]

Sondra,

I also understand about how you feel. I have

Endometriosis, which is where fibers and tissues in

your body grow together your ovaries and tubes and all

of your internal female organs. So it is very painful

and not very easy. I also have Poly Cistic Ovary

Syndrom. Which is a disease where your body gets many

cists all over your ovaries and insides. Both of these

are very painful, and for years doctors would not

believe that there was anything wrong with me. They

would say that it seemed like I had those illnesses,

but that there was no way to be certain except to cut

me open and that it was highly inprobably that I

really had these, because supposedly you are not

supposed to be able to have children at all with Poly

Cistic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)and it is supposed to take

years to get pregnant with Endometriosis and I have

three children and all very close together. So the

doctors " Wrote me off " and would not help me. I have

had excrutiating pain and continuous bleeding

sometimes lasting 6 months at a time with only maybe

two day breaks.

Finally with my last baby, I had to have a C-section.

And when they had my stomach cut open, they said, " Wow

did you know that you have PCOS and endometriosis? "

Needless to say, they are only barely right now, when

my baby is 7 months old, trying to treat me for these

things.

There have been many times that I have very much

envied men, not having to have these issues and

problems. But then men have their own issues. Men have

frustrations and hardships in their lives as well.

They really do. They think differently than us and

they don't like to talk about things much, so

sometimes it is hard to know that they have hard

times. But they do. I have brothers who open up to me

about their problems and a husband who doesn't like to

talk about things, but when he does, I would never

want to deal with the problems and temptations and

challenges that he faces all the time, that I do not

have to deal with. Besides even if a woman was to

change herself physically, to look like a man and no

longer have the periods and hormones, that would not

change the way she thinks and feels.

I have actually known a few people who have had a sex

change operation. They are not happy with it. They

thought that it would solve all of their problems and

issues. In most cases, it made things worse and did

not really even adress the issues that they thought it

would fix. Counceling, was the only thing that finally

resolved their problems.

Honestly I have never wanted to be a man, or have male

parts, but when I was younger, I did want to have NO

parts. I just wanted to be alive and not really have

anyone tell me how or what I was supposed to think or

feel. But honestly Sondra, Body Parts have nothing to

do with who you are and how you feel. I strongly feel

that if you were to get a sex change it would not

change how you feel or fix the problems that you face.

There are ways to fix them, but not just by chopping

something off. It is almost like a person who is

addicted to stealing, wanting his hands to be cut off.

That would solve the problem! Of course it

wouldn't, he would just be bored with nothing to do,

now with no hands and he would feel even more tempted

to steal. He would probably either want to end his

life or he would learn new ways to steal. What he

really would need to do, would be to find the source

of his problem, why does he want to steal? When did he

start? what does he like to do, that he could take up

as a hobby instead? Maybe showing him how it hurts the

people he steals from, and so on.

Anyhow, that is only an example or annalogy, but

probably the thing I would suggest, is to

1) Find out why you don't want to be a woman.

Is it because of abuse? Do you want to be stronger so

others don't take advantage of you? Is it because the

men in your life seem to think women are not as

important as them? Was it because of something in the

past? Or is it the way you are treated currently? Is

it strictly medically related? Painful periods, Etc.

2) Find out how men think, not just the ones you know

Read books about the differences between men and women

and the way they think and feel. Like " Men are from

Mars, Women from Venus " , Type books, and biographies

of how men think and feel or what kind of challenges

they face. See if you really think like a man, or if

you think, feel and relate to women more (Which you

probably will, seeing as you are a woman and from what

I've read from you, you seem to feel like most women I

know)

3) Find a good Doctor, Natural Path, DAN Dr, or

professional that you feel you can trust about your

medical issues and have tests and stuff done to find

out whether your hormones are out of balance and if

you have any female problems. If you find out that you

do have PCOS, Endometriosis, or a bunch of other

female problems - there are solutions to stop the pain

and frustrations you feel. I just found a wonderful

doctor, who is also practices in Alternative Medicine

and he is doing a full annalysis of me. Testing my

blood, my spit my urine and asking a billion questions

to see what the best treatment would be for me. I

don't want to be on Birth control anymore, because it

messes me up, so he is finding other ways to help with

my problems. So I know that there are some good

Doctors out there.

4) Maybe find a good councelor, if you don't have one,

who specializes in these types of things and they can

help you, whether it is in your marriage that you are

frusterated, or what your husband expects of you, or

your children or your extended family, or yourself, or

no matter what, I think counceling can always help. It

has helped me think things through logically many

times. But if you don't want to take med.s which a lot

of councelors will try to push you into, tell them no

or find one who works naturally, not with med.s that's

up to you.

5) And then I would suggest excersize, a meal plan and

drinking Red Rasberry Leaf Tea. The Excersize, because

it helps your body feel better and releases

endorphins, or " Happy Hormones " , a meal plan (which

you are probably already on) because certain things

can cause you to feel icky and unhappy and sluggish

and tired and don't do well with your body, and the

Red Rasberry Leaf Tea, because it works wonders for

the female reproductive system. I personally think it

tastes disgusting, if it is plain. Some people like

it, but I mix mine with juice. I just take 6-8oz of

Apple Cider and put the tea bag in and heat it for 1

and 1/2 minutes and then let it stand for about 6

minutes or so and then Drink it, or I drink it with

Cran-rasberry juice (use whatever you like) and I

drink at least one cup a day. Honestly If I drink a

glass a day, I don't bleed, if I stop for one day, the

next day I start bleeding again. It really helps. It

can bring fevers down, it can do many things and is

very good for you. I just buy the Caffien free kind at

Fred Meyer or Krogers. It works great.

Hope this helps. If you have other questions you can

e-mail me personally or here. But Sondra, now that I

have dealt with my past and the abuse that has

happened to me, and have been to counceling and have

done the things I suggested, then I actually LOVE

being a woman. There are many positive things about it

and I am proud to be a woman and a mother and wife. It

is still hard sometimes, but I really would rather

deal with the hardships and have the joy that I do,

then miss out on it all.

Just like having children. It is hard, I will not lie

and very stressful and frusterating, but I would

rather go through all the trials and be a mommy and

have the joy that I do in my children, than to never

get to be a mom at all.

Hope that this all makes sense and comes across right

and hope it helps. Esther

--- cathylynn2 wrote:

> Sondra,

>

> Well, that would be a bit more complicated. That

> type of surgery is

> called sexual reassignment surgery, or more

> commonly, a sex change

> operation. This would involve intense psychological

> counseling of

> the person before such surgery would even be

> undertaken. A person

> who would undergo this type of surgery would

> essentially feel (and

> have indeed always felt) that they were the opposite

> sex trapped in

> their body. After it was determined that they were

> a good candidate

> for the surgery, they would begin incremental

> treatments with

> hormones of the opposite sex, and finally, the

> surgery would involve

> removal of the sex organs, which would then be

> replaced with organs

> of the opposite sex. So not only would you have

> your ovaries, uterus

> and breasts removed, but then you would also get a

> penis and

> testicles. I don't know your husband, but it would

> seem unlikely

> that he would be interested in being married to a

> man! LOL MY

> mother had to have a radical hysterectomy at age 40

> due to some

> fibroid tumors and other problems, and I can tell

> you with certainty

> that she never lost her beauty and charm, and never

> stopped feeling

> like a woman. Being a woman is a wonderful

> blessing, Sondra. It can

> be very trying at times with menstruation,

> childbirth, menopause,

> etc, but that is only a small part of what it means

> to be a woman.

> it is possible to alleviate those negative symptoms

> without resorting

> to drastic measures. It may take some time and

> detective work. You

> are a beautiful WOMAN, Sondra. Without all of these

> female problems,

> you will still be a woman. It's like I know that

> when I have healed

> my daughter, she will still be HER, just without the

> suffering.

>

>

>

>

>

> > this is hard for me to visualize as not sure but

> will share to

> > clarify of my confusion how do men turn to females

> and females to

> > males then.

> >

> > I to thinked they took off the parts one is born

> with and this maked

> > them grow to be of another gender. I to wante to

> be of no more a

> > female because it is of too hard to be one. I to

> feel it might be of

> > easier to be of male and not have female issues.

> they do not have as

> > much life issues and roles and work things females

> tend to have so

> > just want to make of life some easier now. I to be

> feeling

> > overwhelmed by so much expectations to me and not

> having the skills

> > to do tehm all well. I to be just feeling

> frustrated and not knowing

> > the answers and so seeking some. I to be to

> understand hormones can

> > be to blame for much of things and it is of ever

> so strong to me

> > too.

> > Sondra

> >>> e of so much

> > moods.

> >>> Everybody gets mean to me when I to be to have

> this time of

> > month and

> >>> not like it.

> >>>

> >>> I to be to want all this sick, tired and pains

> things to be to

> > stop

> >>> and it is making me so much sad because rare to

> feel good inside

> > the

> >>> body of me and people lack that and think I tobe

> just being bad

> > with a

> >>> purpose and being rude or blunt with intent and

> it makes ofme

> > want to

> >>> scream at them all.

> >>> Sondra

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Autism_in_Girls-subscribe

> > ------------------------

> > Autism_in_Girls-unsubscribe

> >

[Guest guest]

Esther all of number one is of true to me and my reason for thinking

no longer want to be of me. Yet was fearful if they took of all the

parts out of me that are female would turn to a male but one teached

me that is not how it works but that one actually has of a different

surgery for this.

I to be sick of pains, sick of past, sick of fear of vunerability, I

to also had dx of endomentrosis much before the babies ofme were of

born, was told the abuse issues damaged much of the insides to me. I

to also had of tilted uterus, fibroid tumers, cysts and such. But

none doctors take of these things as a cause to my issues seriously.

I to also have much cysts and such to breast and they are of painful

too much so. I to also had of dx of colitis.

About connections I to connect to men in the real of life in words

more than womans because of their way of being logical and less

emotional in expressing self. I to also be to like that they do not

have secret codes of non verbals and facial expressions that are

mysteries to me that I to be aware of womans do. Woman most often

speak of fashions, TV shows like idol somethings? and things of this

and talk of things being of a cute and cuddly fuzzy ways and I to

not be of that. I to ahve no femanine ways of me such as no make up

and not wear of jewlery or carry purse I to havce no desire for

those things at all. Yet I to nto feel male either I to really be in

true feel as if have no gender at all.

I to found out the last crisis is of from being haveing a sinus

infection but also comed down with flu/cold mixed even though on

antibiotics I to be going to doctor again in the morning because the

lungs of me hurt and burn to breath in and out. It hurts to cough as

if one is breaking off my chest bone to teh heart. So was of getting

sick which always spirals me to overload levels/

Sondra

[Guest guest]

Hi Sondra,

Well just to let you know, there are many different

kinds of women and men. Just like everyone looks

different, we all are different too. There are girls

who like makeup and frilly things and girls that hate

those things, there are girls who think pink is ugly

or Purple (me) there are those who wear clothes from

the men's department because that's all they can fit,

or that is what they like. Some girls like short hair,

some girls long hair. Some girls like jewelry and many

don't. Some girls hate words like cute and sweet and

some girls wear all black, or only browns or very

conservative colors. Those things are not what make

you a girl. Personally Sondra, I don't wear makeup and

only have maybe 2 or 3 times ever. I don't like

" Girly " things and really only have a few friends that

are girls, and the ones I have are not the foofy,

frilly type either, we are outdoorsy, camping, and

hardworking type girls. I used to work on a farm and

rarely ever wore dresses. I had an abusive childhood

too and I never wore pink or even wanted to be a girl,

for a very long time. I still don't like pink, but I

have a shirt that my husband bought me that he really

likes, so I have worn it a couple times. But it

doesn't mean that I am not a woman, because I don't

like these things.

I am not the kind of girl who has secret codes and

facial expressions, and I actually know quite a few

girls who don't like that kind of stuff. But just to

let you know there are guys like that too. There are

Guys who have rude, snobby attitudes and think that

they are God's gift to woman and they are mean and

full of jokes and rude expressions or signs or things.

Generally men seem to be more the way you described,

of being less emotional and less talkative. But part

of that too, is how they were raised that they were

supposed to be.

My best advice to you now is to get your pain and

health issues taken care of, and once that is handled

then maybe allow yourself to be more free. Don't judge

yourself. Don't pick a side. Just be who you are and

want to be, but let your body be who and what it was

born to be also. And see how things go. I have a

wonderful book to recomend to you also. I can't find

it right now, so I will write to you later with the

title, but it is very helpful about women's health and

accepting yourself, for who you are.

You are a wonderful person Sondra, I can tell from the

things that you share and for the things you are

willing to do and the way you help others. That's

really what matters, that you are a wonderful person,

not woman or man. Hope that this helps. Esther

--- sondra wrote:

> Esther all of number one is of true to me and my

> reason for thinking

> no longer want to be of me. Yet was fearful if they

> took of all the

> parts out of me that are female would turn to a male

> but one teached

> me that is not how it works but that one actually

> has of a different

> surgery for this.

>

> I to be sick of pains, sick of past, sick of fear of

> vunerability, I

> to also had dx of endomentrosis much before the

> babies ofme were of

> born, was told the abuse issues damaged much of the

> insides to me. I

> to also had of tilted uterus, fibroid tumers, cysts

> and such. But

> none doctors take of these things as a cause to my

> issues seriously.

> I to also have much cysts and such to breast and

> they are of painful

> too much so. I to also had of dx of colitis.

>

> About connections I to connect to men in the real of

> life in words

> more than womans because of their way of being

> logical and less

> emotional in expressing self. I to also be to like

> that they do not

> have secret codes of non verbals and facial

> expressions that are

> mysteries to me that I to be aware of womans do.

> Woman most often

> speak of fashions, TV shows like idol somethings?

> and things of this

> and talk of things being of a cute and cuddly fuzzy

> ways and I to

> not be of that. I to ahve no femanine ways of me

> such as no make up

> and not wear of jewlery or carry purse I to havce no

> desire for

> those things at all. Yet I to nto feel male either I

> to really be in

> true feel as if have no gender at all.

>

> I to found out the last crisis is of from being

> haveing a sinus

> infection but also comed down with flu/cold mixed

> even though on

> antibiotics I to be going to doctor again in the

> morning because the

> lungs of me hurt and burn to breath in and out. It

> hurts to cough as

> if one is breaking off my chest bone to teh heart.

> So was of getting

> sick which always spirals me to overload levels/

> Sondra

>

>

>

>

>

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