Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I appreciate your vigor and detail but please reread the posts I have given up on the pc training idea and in the beginning stages of considering helping aspies with a drum circle venue.this will take time and planning I am not jumping into it this week. And to shock you even more it's for FREE,NO CHARGE, COMPLIMENTARY,FOR NOTHING,GRATIS,. I HAVE SAID THAT IN SEVERAL POSTS I DO NOT CHARGE FOR THE WORK I DO WITH PERCUSSION. Where is the sucking the sap part of that come into play it would cost me nothing and I would charge nothing. Chris > > > Mimi said: > > " Well if that is the case, and you can do this at your church, and you > already have experience, then this should be the best bet " > > replied: > > " Great thanks " > > says: > > I think what you are trying to do here is get sap out of a maple tree so > you can make a profit off of the syrup. By doing so, you are weakening > the tree, especially if you tap too much syrup. > > In other words, legitimate and well-established charities have a hard > enough time keeping themselves operational. Many are " non profit " in the > most literal sense. They don't know if they will be here next year. But > they do good work. > > Your main purpose appears to be making a salary for yourself, and your > secondary goal seems to be training up Aspies. > > As Strict said, you have a minimum amount of training yourself, which > makes you unqualified for the training aspect of this task, and it also > makes you unqualified for the supervisory role since you will have no > idea what any teachers you employ are teaching, or whether or not they > are teaching correctly. > > You also have no sense of the basics of operating a business or the > applicable laws associated with it. You have no sense of OSHA work > requirements, safety regs, health regs, etc. I very much doubt that OSHA > would approve of a church basement for the mass-disassembly of computers > given the toxic elements likely to be thrown here there and everywhere > and also released into the atmosphere. > > Factor into the equation that you may have some low-functioning > autistics messing with this dangerous equipment and you have a > nightmare. > > -What if one of them forgets to unplug the machine while they are > messing around with it? > > -What if they get a charge from the battery somehow even IF the machine > is unplugged? > > -What if they drop a monitor and it explodes? > > -What if the CPU explodes? > > -What if too many computers and monitors are plugged in at once and the > fuse blows? > > -What if and of these people cut their fingers on the metal inside the > machines? > > -What if they burn their fingers with a soldering iron? > > -What if they stick their fingers in their mouths after handling > lead-based solder and other toxic chemicals? > > -What if they put a tool or part in their mouth and swallow it > accidentally? > > Do you have an insurance plan that covers these things? The church's > insurance is designed to protect THEM from liability. Not YOU. > > If just one person sues you for something that goes wrong -whether it IS > your fault or not - your entire savings and house stand to get wiped out > just from legal bills. And even if the non-profit itself is a separate > entity that can be sued instead of YOU, this does not prevent a civil > suit against you specifically. > > You do not seem to understand any of these things on the most basic > level despite your supposed research into non-profits, and frankly, I > resent the fact that you see non-profit organizations as cow with a full > udder that's yours to milk. > > If you want to help the rest of Aspie world, you ought to ask them > specifically what they need and then build up a non-profit that gives it > to them. But chances are you HAVE asked them that and discovered it was > too much work. Otherwise you would be doing it already. > > > > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 " I have given up on the pc training idea and in the beginning stages of considering helping aspies with a drum circle venue.this will take time and planning I am not jumping into it this week. And to shock you even more it's for FREE,NO CHARGE, COMPLIMENTARY,FOR NOTHING,GRATIS,. I HAVE SAID THAT IN SEVERAL POSTS I DO NOT CHARGE FOR THE WORK I DO WITH PERCUSSION. " Good luck and best wishes then. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 , I think you've read things and misunderstood what has in mind. Then again, perhaps I have also, but the other way. When speaks of recycling PCs, he's not talking (I think!) of all that fine of work of actually disassembling PCs with soldering irons and so on: he's talking about breaking things down into the larger board-level parts and various connectors as needed, and assembling things at that level, not at the individual component level, for the most part, with the CPU being the most common exception to components smaller than a single board. All actual disassembling to recycle things beyond the technician's reassembly state of being able to put something back together is shipped off somewhere else, where presumably they're properly equipped to do so. Of course, investigative reporting has shown that chances are high that'll be done somewhere in China that's incredibly polluted, with people dying regularly from cancer, etc. due to all the toxicity. Recycling the hardware without taking full account of the concept that hardware without matching software just creates huge paperweights that eat power causes the other legal/practical nightmare above and beyond the issue that the machines resold would already be on the back end of the bathtub curve, which is especially bad, due to long-expired warranties which likely don't transfer, making sales of these poor old hulks a dubious proposition at best for all parties involved. I have sitting next to me a machine I bought 10 years ago, and is still usable, but I have had to replace hard drives in it more than once over that time, and that machine is server-level hardware used in a home environment! I'll address the issues that I have experience with and/or see good reason to comment on: > > > Mimi said: > > " Well if that is the case, and you can do this at your church, and you > already have experience, then this should be the best bet " > > replied: > > " Great thanks " > > says: > > I think what you are trying to do here is get sap out of a maple tree so > you can make a profit off of the syrup. By doing so, you are weakening > the tree, especially if you tap too much syrup. > > In other words, legitimate and well-established charities have a hard > enough time keeping themselves operational. Many are " non profit " in the > most literal sense. They don't know if they will be here next year. But > they do good work. > > Your main purpose appears to be making a salary for yourself, and your > secondary goal seems to be training up Aspies. > > As Strict said, you have a minimum amount of training yourself, which > makes you unqualified for the training aspect of this task, and it also > makes you unqualified for the supervisory role since you will have no > idea what any teachers you employ are teaching, or whether or not they > are teaching correctly. > > You also have no sense of the basics of operating a business or the > applicable laws associated with it. You have no sense of OSHA work > requirements, safety regs, health regs, etc. I very much doubt that OSHA > would approve of a church basement for the mass-disassembly of computers > given the toxic elements likely to be thrown here there and everywhere > and also released into the atmosphere. > Batteries will need to be replaced on old machines, and possibly power supplies: batteries absolutely count as toxic materials, and may need some soldering. A lot of machines will boot with a non-working battery-backup for the clock and other settings, but you have to reprogram all the BIOS configuration details, which most people are far under-qualified to comprehend on any particular age/type of machine, and if nothing else, that's a nightmare to leave that way: I can't say how often this would happen in practice, as things keep changing. > Factor into the equation that you may have some low-functioning > autistics messing with this dangerous equipment and you have a > nightmare. > > -What if one of them forgets to unplug the machine while they are > messing around with it? With the more modern machines, I'd bet 100% chance someone will goof there sooner or later, as the fans are off when you think they're off, but in reality, there's always power going through them: this is the ATX (I think it is) and later motherboard reference design standard, and this has existed for at least a decade now. The " On " button only tells more to fire up than is already on before: there's always a certain amount of power going through the system, for hibernation, and also possibly for Wake On Lan (WOL) network cards, allowing the machine to boot up off the network connection. Before this was a common thing, back between about 94-96 (can't remember exactly when, but I remember it was a Compaq desktop machine with an EISA bus at work) in the environment I was in, with AC going, and over 20 PC's and all their external peripherals going so nothing was distinctive, in a room with no carpeting to deaden sounds back in the days that CPU fans weren't common, I discovered I had forgotten to turn off a PC I was working on, and there was no LED light on inside the machine. Well, that could have ended very badly: I actually unintentionally hot-swapped an ethernet card! Fortunately, no more than 12 volts goes to anything outside the power supply, but still, it's the current that matters, and if things get shorted out or done in just the right/wrong order (depends on perspective) you can certainly have a result of a small fire and toxic smoke (I watched a machine I plugged a SCSI cable into burst into flames on one specialized interface card that used the same sort of connector, but was NOT SCSI, and... toasted that board, could have made toxic s'mores). > > -What if they get a charge from the battery somehow even IF the machine > is unplugged? > They would need to put the battery in their mouth for this to come close to mattering, or put it into impure water. > -What if they drop a monitor and it explodes? This is a much more real possibility: even if you somehow drop it and it doesn't implode (the CRT of CRT is a form of vacuum tube, actually, but still a lot of force) you can still drop it on a body part and break something, or kill someone, in the most extreme case: I've got 19 " monitors that I wouldn't want to have dropped on my foot, even if I were wearing steel-toe boots, and they aren't the largest! Modern LCD's tend to weigh less, but I wouldn't count on that being any better for crush injuries: they also are more concentrated for weight, so you'd be more likely to chop part of a foot off due to the mechanics. Granted, still, these are most likely very rare things to happen, but if it does, man, is that going to put a dent into the budget! > > -What if the CPU explodes? > The CPU isn't too likely to actually explode, but the capacitors (often big, electrolytic ones) can, if someone does something really stupid: they're even designed to blow up in a certain way, as a specially shaped charge (yes, I've blown up capacitors in my past training, or by making a mistake building a new circuit: wouldn't be training people with this situation, not if he's remotely sane and intelligent). However, a CPU that's overclocked, if it doesn't have a working thermal sensor in the machine, CAN overheat to to the point of things catching on fire. Oh, yes, the stuff burning inside any computer? Toxic smoke! > -What if too many computers and monitors are plugged in at once and the > fuse blows? Most probable result: unless the place uses old fuses (aren't those outlawed by now, except for large industrial motor startup fuses?) is you'd possibly toast components that were already on the edge of their life, disrupt any computers operating at that time and mess up hard drive contents that may leave the machine in an inconsistent state, and quite likely have a bunch of startled/stressed people, and then the fun starts, since, depending on how well things were designed in the first place, you may/may not have the lights on the same circuit Oh, by the way: if you have enough computers on circuits to do that, you'll have one heck of a nasty AC bill for cooling, or it'll be one heck of a sweatshop. > > -What if and of these people cut their fingers on the metal inside the > machines? The chances of this happening are 500% in practice. > > -What if they burn their fingers with a soldering iron? > Most people should never have a soldering iron for doing things: it's far cheaper to just get pre-made cables than to deal with that for 99.999% of the population. For some of the more adventurous that DO want to make cables, some can be done via crimping tools, but then you've now got crushing/cutting injuries that can happen if someone goofs or is just plain stupid. As unlikely as you'd like to think that nobody would be that stupid, I'd bet that someone sooner or later would find a way to bypass the best safety devices and training available, and the fact of the matter is, most tools that are truly useful cannot be truly useful AND idiot-proof, given a sufficiently advanced idiot. > -What if they stick their fingers in their mouths after handling > lead-based solder and other toxic chemicals? > Won't likely kill them immediately > -What if they put a tool or part in their mouth and swallow it > accidentally? For those with pica (I think it is) this is absolutely the last realm you'd want them working > > Do you have an insurance plan that covers these things? The church's > insurance is designed to protect THEM from liability. Not YOU. > > If just one person sues you for something that goes wrong -whether it IS > your fault or not - your entire savings and house stand to get wiped out > just from legal bills. And even if the non-profit itself is a separate > entity that can be sued instead of YOU, this does not prevent a civil > suit against you specifically. > > You do not seem to understand any of these things on the most basic > level despite your supposed research into non-profits, and frankly, I > resent the fact that you see non-profit organizations as cow with a full > udder that's yours to milk. > > If you want to help the rest of Aspie world, you ought to ask them > specifically what they need and then build up a non-profit that gives it > to them. But chances are you HAVE asked them that and discovered it was > too much work. Otherwise you would be doing it already. > > > > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Here is a letter from a party that has no monitary intrest in drumming Dear We, my wife & I, enjoyed being in Wichita. The highlight of our visit was accidentally finding your drum circle when we were strolling the Old Town area. I enjoyed participating, playing different kinds of drum freely and openly. I could also see other visitors participating and having a good time. I had never played the drums in an open atmosphere. I played as though no body was watching or hearing! The experience was relaxing and amazing! I hope the City helps you in sponsoring the event and make it as a regular event. It's not only fun and relaxing for the locals and visitors, it can also be therapeutic to normal and mentally challenged individuals. I wish you the best. Sincerely, Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, CCC-A/SLP, FAAA Associate Professor, Department of Communication Sciences & Disorders this individual attended one of my drum circles last year, once again I do this at no charge. and unless how can you speak with expertice in the area of drum circles on what basis are you judging them.As far as drum circles wich variety were you speaking was it a facillitated,arhturian,free form ,thunder drumming,ethnic specific or pagan ritual.Obviously if you make a statement like that you must be speaking of somthing which you have experiance with so what type of experiance do you have. there are lots of drum programs with different goals in mind some are for the elderly,gang members,cancer patients. all drum circles are not the same in point of fact I had voluntered to help local mental health program run some to help special needs kids learn team work.These were very innefective for them at the time because the certified music therapist that was leading this could not keep a beat to save her life and was not enthusiastic.she could not control the kids worth beans.She had me start something to get them in line and soon they were all sitting still, paying attention to one another beats so they could make music as a team and they had a great time doing it. I had to drop out shortly after that to spend more time with my son (he had just contracted a kidney disease)to help him cope with his life. Chris > > > > > > > Fact of the matter is, mimi made the suggestion not Chris. And based on what posted previously, mimi's suggestion is not a sound business model for or for the children who might sign up for the computer camp. > > > > > > > > In fact, it endangers the children and that is a very serious concern. > > > > > > > > Raven > > > > > > > yes I was in fact thinking something more benign (like drumming) and yes just for feel good purposes for a short while unless it caught on and everyone enjoyed it and even that would require more than one person to manage. (as would anything involving children, also grants are not awarded to anyone (I have heard it is a difficult process with many steps and checks, so that in a way would take care of itself) If the govt saw fit to give money they usually ask for results and a follow-up > > > > > > I know in this area even respected groups have a hard time holding on to grants and that is with an office and staff, and checking etc. > > > > > > anyway my suggestion was just to do something nice that would give nothing more than good feelings for any involved > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 "When speaks of recycling PCs, he's not talking (I think!) of all that fine of work of actually disassembling PCs with soldering irons and so on: he's talking about breaking things down into the larger board-level parts and various connectors as needed, and assembling things at that level, not at the individual component level, for the most part, with the CPU being the most common exception to components smaller than a single board." I get that. However, the sound engineer on our MIC project has training (with certificates and all of that) in computer tech work. He breaks old/malfunctioning/non-functioning computers down and swaps the parts around, etc., to make new ones. He HAS wound up soldering stuff, messing around with potentially explosive capacitors and whatnot, and there have been accidents, some of the kind you describe in your responses to my hypothetical outcomes. (Mostly cuts). If our sound engineer can take his ohms meters or whatever, and figure out that a capacitor is the one thing that is causing a board to malfunction, he will replace that capacitor. And if any of what I am saying sounds wonky in regards to the internals of a computer, the fault is mine. I have no such knowledge about how to get them running again beyond a few basic things. (I was able to rip apart my dad's machine and extract the hard drive without incident so a techie could fix it, and I have dropped in a sound board for my dad in the past. In a separate incident, I was able to put a CD drive into a machine that didn't have one). My point in bringing this up was in case DID have it in mind to be breaking computers down on the level where he would be doing more than just replacing cables and swapping out boards and drives. Aside from that, you are always going to run the risk of getting someone who says "I've seen this before... It's the capacitor. I've replaced them twice before. I'll just do it again now..." POP! Fizzle...fizzle...fizzle... And on a much more basic level, you will always have some idiot who will be sipping from a pop can while they are working and then spill it into the machine while it's still plugged in and then ZAPPP!!! Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 " this individual attended one of my drum circles last year, once again I do this at no charge. and unless how can you speak with expertice in the area of drum circles on what basis are you judging them. " There have been some articles which suggest that autistics respond favorably to music. I am also sure that there are many who do and would enjoy composing it. I have a differring perspective on this than Strict Non-Conformist. I can see no harm per se, in having a drum circle, and it might even be beneficial for those who would like to be included in something. But beyond the development of music skills, the catharsis of getting some of one's emotions out via the use of instruments, the development of ones creative skills and the exposure of people to other people so that they can build people skills, I don't know that a drum circle would have any LONG LASTING positive effects on anyone. I'd have to think that sooner or later, someone would wind up saying " Hey guys? (And girls?) Don't any of you guys get sick of just sitting around beating drums? " It's unlikely that anyone outside of the drum circle itself would have too much appreciation for it or for those who are in it. It's unlikely that an employer would care whether or not a person had been in a drum circle. It's unlikely that being in a drum circle will advance one's music career unless it is as some one-off gig in a bar. It's unlikely that the social skills gained in a drum circle will be applicable outside of it, because not too many people are the type who would involve themselves in a drum circle anyway, and so just not having the MENTALITY would be cause enough for them to reject those who HAVE been in drum circles. I think if your purpose is to get a bunch of Aspies together to beart drums and have fun, then more power to you. But I think any INTELLIGENT Aspies will not persist with it after the novelty wears off. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I totally agree with you as far as long term benefits but I think it might help them deal with stress on the short term. I know it has been shown to be beneficial in those regards and I am also aware that some hate loud noises and it would drive them nuts. I as far the pc rebuilds I was considering I would it was only board level rebuilds.Also the windows Eula license for xp allows for a second owner of the machine with the license sticker on it.they would have been through a dod compliant wipe and reinstall of the original software.Evidently I misinterpreted the Eula I was planning to be complaint with. also I was not in the end stage of business planning at the time I asked for advice I was in research mode. When I asked for advice I received enough input to show the draw backs of such a work program so I shelved it. As far as why I don't have a degree or certification I have only been into pc repair through my current job and have not been able to afford to go through the testing and or training involved.I studied on my own as needed to repair and network the machines in this facility.the main reason is my whole family has several mental and health conditions my wife for example was hit by a drunk driver received brain damage and has become half blind bi-polar,passive aggressive with acute anxiety disorder she also has severe fibromyalgia.My Son has AS bad asthma and Iga Nephropathy wich is a kidney disease.I have Sleep apnea ,restless leggs disorder,periodic limb movement disorder,depression,AS and an anxiety disorder I also had a minor stroke awhile back.Needless to say we provide good income to the pharmaceutical companies.School was torture for me (my brain hates being bored I tend to learn too fast to stay engaged) and I have a difficult time wanting to go back.I went to a tech school and graduated with all honors had 98.7%test score average but after graduating I found out most of the local shops here considered the school to a farce and the diploma meant squat as far as getting a job.It took years to pay that off although I will admit the training I received helped me diagnose the cnc saw I work on. that is why I am reticent to go back to school I call that my ten grand mistake.I have had one job offer from the scm group who made our saw their support guy has been impressed with me from the time we met over the phone.That job pays five times what I make but includes being on the road constantly and my family goes into turmoil when I have just one evening to myself.I can't sell my family that point also makes school difficult as they would almost have to attend with me to keep their sanity. Left to themselves my son is always talking all the time and after an hour or so my wife goes bi-polar they are like oil and water so I am in a pickle. I don't see how I can go back to school unless I take at least my son along. Sorry for the novel Chris > > " this individual attended one of my drum circles last year, once again I do this at no charge. and unless how can you speak with expertice in the area of drum circles on what basis are you judging them. " > > There have been some articles which suggest that autistics respond favorably to music. I am also sure that there are many who do and would enjoy composing it. > > I have a differring perspective on this than Strict Non-Conformist. I can see no harm per se, in having a drum circle, and it might even be beneficial for those who would like to be included in something. > > But beyond the development of music skills, the catharsis of getting some of one's emotions out via the use of instruments, the development of ones creative skills and the exposure of people to other people so that they can build people skills, I don't know that a drum circle would have any LONG LASTING positive effects on anyone. I'd have to think that sooner or later, someone would wind up saying " Hey guys? (And girls?) Don't any of you guys get sick of just sitting around beating drums? " > > It's unlikely that anyone outside of the drum circle itself would have too much appreciation for it or for those who are in it. > > It's unlikely that an employer would care whether or not a person had been in a drum circle. > > It's unlikely that being in a drum circle will advance one's music career unless it is as some one-off gig in a bar. > > It's unlikely that the social skills gained in a drum circle will be applicable outside of it, because not too many people are the type who would involve themselves in a drum circle anyway, and so just not having the MENTALITY would be cause enough for them to reject those who HAVE been in drum circles. > > I think if your purpose is to get a bunch of Aspies together to beart drums and have fun, then more power to you. But I think any INTELLIGENT Aspies will not persist with it after the novelty wears off. > > > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 wrote: " ... <snip> ... And to shock you even more it's for FREE,NO CHARGE, COMPLIMENTARY,FOR NOTHING,GRATIS. I HAVE SAID THAT IN SEVERAL POSTS I DO NOT CHARGE FOR THE WORK I DO WITH PERCUSSION ... <snip>... " We didn't say you charged money in the past for your drumming circle. What was said was that if you were going to go with your first idea as it pertained to computers and Aspies and children, that there were serious flaws in your business model that left you as well as others in danger. wrote: " ... <snip> ... Where is the sucking the sap part of that come into play it would cost me nothing and I would charge nothing ... <snip> ... " So you're going to go ahead without having proper insurance in place to protect you? OK, that means in the immediate you have fooled yourself into believing that this venture is now and will always keep you out of harm's way (read: a lawsuite against you). The fact of the matter is, you would be better served by paying to have business insurance in place in case you are sued. Event liability insurance for the venue and by the venue never covers the individual or individuals who are organizing the event. That you haven't had anything happen that has led to a lawsuit in the past is no reason to continue taking chances with your financial well being and that of your family. I mean, you *DO* have insurance on your home and your car and such don't you? Just because you {possibly) haven't put a claim in on your insurance doesn't mean that you ought not have it in the first place. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 strict wrote: " , I think you've read things and misunderstood what Chris has in mind. Then again, perhaps I have also, but the other way. " If is going to start a business, his best chance at success is to start a business in an area where he has a serious passion rather than go with the 'taste of the day' idea. Those who are self-employed put in more hours per week than paid employees. They put their own money on the line and, if they know what they are doing, are aware that their business may not generate a liveable wage for 3 to 5 years from the day they open up shop. Furthermore, entrepreneurs who succeed generally have a business plan as well as marketing and promotional plans in place prior to starting up business and they update those documents regularly, as you know. Regardless of whether it's a computer recycling business or a computer camp or a drumming circle or anything else, the concept is doomed to failure when proper research as it pertains to the business is not in place. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 "the main reason is my whole family has several mental and health conditions my wife for example was hit by a drunk driver received brain damage and has become half blind bi-polar,passive aggressive with acute anxiety disorder she also has severe fibromyalgia." Okay. I'm hearing you. Bi-polar is tough, even with meds. My ex-wife was bi-polar. It was hell. Passive aggressiveness comes with the bi-polar, and as for fibromyalgia, that's bad, although its degree could be "inflated" by people with bi-polar disorder. The half blind thing is nothing. Technically, I am "half blind". I was born with a lazy eye and though I can see out of it, the image is not imprinted solidly on my cerebral cortex, thus it's considered useless. If I had only that eye alone, I could not pass a driver's test with it even though I have 20/20 vision out of it. "My Son has AS bad asthma and Iga Nephropathy wich is a kidney disease." Yep, that's bad. "I have Sleep apnea , restless leggs disorder, periodic limb movement disorder, depression, AS and an anxiety disorder." Sleep apnea makes you tired, and also exacerbates depression. My mother has RLS, and has to stand a lot. Her legs are always fidgety. I think your anxiety disorder is actually a part of AS. ALL Aspies are anxious in one way or another. I think your depression is probably coming from your family situation as well as your lack of sleep, and the fact that your AS makes you an outcast. "I also had a minor stroke awhile back." Not to belittle you, but this is somewhat trivial too. I tried suicide many years ago, and, due to oxygen deprivation, lost a few IQ points as a result I think. (Hold the jokes -t those of you wanting to say something). There was a whole swathe of my memory that has gone missing, but only in certain areas. For example, I could look at a book I've read twenty times or more, and KNOW I've read it twenty times or more, and yet, re-reading it after the attempt was like reading it for the first time. Yet once I read it that first time, I retained everything just as well as I had done before the suicide attempt. I also lost coordination on one side of my body due to the oxygen being cut off. It came back over a period of years, although I am not quite sure if my strength has returned to what it was. But "minor" strokes can be overcome. "Needless to say we provide good income to the pharmaceutical companies." I think if I was going to make sure someone got their meds it would be your wife for the manic depression and your son for his kidney problem. "School was torture for me (my brain hates being bored I tend to learn too fast to stay engaged) and I have a difficult time wanting to go back." My nickname in high school chemistry and physics was "Einstein" because I would skip the majority of the "scientific method" and still get better results than the rest of the class during experiments. School bored me too. My university degree, which everyone else who hasn't been to college sees as a "brass ring" always looked like a pop top to me, but I got it because getting a degree seemed to mean something to working professionals. "I went to a tech school and graduated with all honors had 98.7% test score average but after graduating I found out most of the local shops here considered the school to a farce and the diploma meant squat as far as getting a job." From being on the hiring end of things, I can tell you that there are plenty of places someone could get a degree from and we would not hire them BECAUSE they chose to get their degree there. I also know people who run their own businesses, and they will NOT hire anyone from places like Lincoln Tech, or ITT or the like. In terms of the tech school, even had it been one that these people recognized, the liklihood of you being hired on the basis of a diploma alone would have been minimal. When we hired folks, we hired based on grades, achievement, experience, but we were willing to hire a person without experience provided they had demonstrated intelligence, aptitude for learning, innovative qualities, and the ability to work on their own. Of course, we were hiring for bookkeeping, not tech stuff. "It took years to pay that off although I will admit the training I received helped me diagnose the cnc saw I work on. that is why I am reticent to go back to school I call that my ten grandmistake." I would not call it a mistake though. It is one of the stones you need to step on to get to the top, but it is a stone that is low on the stairs. What employers are looking for is for you to step up higher than others, or on a distinguished stairway. "I have had one job offer from the scm group who made our saw their support guy has been impressed with me from the time we met over the phone. That job pays five times what I make but includes being on the road constantly and my family goes into turmoil when I have just one evening to myself.I can't sell my family that point also makes school difficult as they would almost have to attend with me to keep their sanity. "Left to themselves my son is always talking all the time and after an hour or so my wife goes bi-polar they are like oil and water so I am in a pickle. I don't see how I can go back to school unless I take at least my son along. Sorry for the novel" Look, I think what you are doing is trying to find a way to make your life easier. I can relate to you, and I applaud you for being innovative and thinking beyond your current situation. The only thing I can say is that if you are looking to rake in the bucks, PROBABLY -although this is not true in all cases- you have to spend money to make money. I think your best bet is to try to work yourself up the totem pole from within, or to try to network your way into another job through making contacts with other people. The majority of all hires which ever take place are usually referrals. "I know this person and think they are very good at what they do." Employers are willing to take a chance on people who are introduced that way because they believe the introducer would not risk his/her reputation on someone who was a poor preformer. So I think what you need to do is do your job really well...and make sure other people SEE that you are doing it well so that if anyone else needs someone like you for a job that pays more, it will become an option for you. Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 wrote: "Here is a letter from a party that has no monitary intrest in drumming. Dear ... <snip> ... Sincerely, Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, CCC-A/SLP, FAAA, Associate Professor, Department of Communication Sciences & Disorders ... <snip> ... " I sincerely hope that you have a signed release from Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, to post his letter to you in a public forum. If not, then you have breached the privacy laws and you have left yourself open to a lawsuit. quoted from Ramesh Bettagere's letter: " ... <snip> ... We, my wife & I, enjoyed being in Wichita. The highlight of our visit was accidentally finding your drum circle when we were strolling the Old Town area ... <snip> ... " People from out-of-town who accidentally fall upon your group is always fun but it's no way to run a for-fee or for-free event. quoted from Ramesh Bettagere's letter: " ... <snip> .. I enjoyed participating, playing different kinds of drum freely and openly. I could also see other visitors participating and having a good time. I had never played the drums in an openatmosphere. I played as though no body was watching or hearing! The experience was relaxing and amazing!" Again, they were visiting. When people are visiting, there is a tendency to let down their hair so to speak and allow themselves to experience things they would not be willing to allow themselves to experience so publicly in their own environment. quoted from Ramesh Bettagere's letter: I hope the City helps you in sponsoring the event and make it as a regular event ... <snip>... " As the drumming circle is not a regular event, it stands to reason that some will find it more enticing due to its irregular schedule. You have stated that you do this on a for-free basis. You have stated that you have access to a Church basement at no cost to you. Why would the City sponsor your event if there's no benefit to City Hall and there's no cost to producing these irregular events? Or are you saying that in sponsoring your event, the City would be paying you to offer the irregular events at for-free to participants? If you are saying the City will pay you, be prepared to have the City dictate to you how and when your events will be held and where and how. Furthermore, the City will want proof that you are a knowledgeable and successful entrepreneur before they consider investing in your drumming event, especially in these very harsh economic times. Accountability is always the word in business and even more so now that the economy in your country as well as in others is being severely challenged. quoted from Ramesh Bettagere's letter: " ... <snip> .. It's not only fun and relaxing for the locals and visitors, it can also be therapeutic to normal and mentally challenged individuals ... <snip> ... " Perhaps, but then again, as a business, it is being mismanaged and poorly promoted and badly marketed.quoted from Ramesh Bettagere's letter: " ... <snip> ... Sincerely, Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, CCC-A/SLP, FAAA, Associate Professor, Department of Communication Sciences & Disorders ... <snip> ... "If I was Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, and I had not given you written consent to share my private communication between you and I with others, I would be, at the very least, annoyed with you. Even if Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, had not signed a release form and even if Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, was not upset with you for having gone ahead and posted this private communication between Ramesh Bettagere, PhD and you, as a third party, this would give me good reason to shy away from you and your events. You have proven that you do not have the requisite business sense to conduct business in a logical, ethical manner. If you did, you would have requested that Ramesh Bettagere, PhD, provide you with a signed release form giving you permission to share this communication between you OR if you already had said permission, you would have indicated same in your post. wrote: " ... <snip> ... and unless how can you speak with expertice in the area of drum circles on what basis are you judging them.As far as drum circles wich variety were you speaking was it a faciliateted, arhturian, free form , thunder drumming, ethnic specific or pagan ritual. Obviously if you make a statement like that you must be speaking of something which you have experiance with so what type of experiance [sp] do you have ... <snip> ... " OK, let's do just that, Chris. What is your expertise in the area of drum circles? As a Métis who is very much grounded in Aboriginal culture, I know what MY expertise is in this respect. Over the years, I have seen many white men (and women) start drum circles that were allegedly part of an "ethnic specific" ritual only to see quite quickly it was all about "pretending" to be an "indian" and "pretending" to be "spiritual" and "pretending" to be "the epitome of calmness" and more. Sometimes I think the Mohawks have the right idea. ;-) wrote: " ... <snip> ... all drum circles are not the same in point of fact I had voluntered to help local mental health program run some to help special needs kids learn team work.These were very innefective [sp] for them at the time because the certified music therapist that was leading this could not keep a beat to save her life and was not enthusiastic ... <snip> ... "I would sincerely doubt that a local mental health organization would hire a certified music therapist who was unable to master the most basic of skills required to be a music therapist ... that being to keep a beat. What's more, I absolutely doubt that a local mental health organization would say anything of the sort to you as this would leave the local mental health organization open to a lawsuit for slander and defamation of character and, perhaps, libel if it was also in writing somewhere other than on her private file. The more I read about your 'business' ideas and your alleged philanthropy and such ... the more I see your business acumen in action and your professionalism (or lack thereof) ... the more I see that you are the sort of individual that puts many at risk for the sake of looking good. It appears that it's all puffering and pride unfortunately and that a sad thing to see. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 wrote: " ... <snip> ... the main reason is my whole family has several mental and health conditions ... <snip> ... " We all have our burdens to bear, Chris. The bottom line is, if you want something badly enough, you re-arrange your life to accommodate that want. If you need something badly enough, you find a way to get that need addressed. While your family situation is a sad one, it is by no means as bad as some others I have seen and/or heard where the head of the family finds a way to make things come together properly. What I oftentimes don't see in situations where success becomes part of the equation, are people who take ridiculous chances with their financial well being as well as their family's financial, emotional and physical well being. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Thanks that is some good advice > > > " the main reason is my whole family has several mental and health > conditions my wife for example was hit by a drunk driver received brain > damage and has become half blind bi-polar,passive aggressive with acute > anxiety disorder she also has severe fibromyalgia. " > > Okay. I'm hearing you. > > Bi-polar is tough, even with meds. My ex-wife was bi-polar. It was hell. > Passive aggressiveness comes with the bi-polar, and as for fibromyalgia, > that's bad, although its degree could be " inflated " by people with > bi-polar disorder. > > The half blind thing is nothing. Technically, I am " half blind " . I was > born with a lazy eye and though I can see out of it, the image is not > imprinted solidly on my cerebral cortex, thus it's considered useless. > If I had only that eye alone, I could not pass a driver's test with it > even though I have 20/20 vision out of it. > > " My Son has AS bad asthma and Iga Nephropathy wich is a kidney disease. " > > Yep, that's bad. > > " I have Sleep apnea , restless leggs disorder, periodic limb movement > disorder, depression, AS and an anxiety disorder. " > > Sleep apnea makes you tired, and also exacerbates depression. My mother > has RLS, and has to stand a lot. Her legs are always fidgety. I think > your anxiety disorder is actually a part of AS. ALL Aspies are anxious > in one way or another. I think your depression is probably coming from > your family situation as well as your lack of sleep, and the fact that > your AS makes you an outcast. > > " I also had a minor stroke awhile back. " > > Not to belittle you, but this is somewhat trivial too. I tried suicide > many years ago, and, due to oxygen deprivation, lost a few IQ points as > a result I think. (Hold the jokes -t those of you wanting to say > something). There was a whole swathe of my memory that has gone missing, > but only in certain areas. For example, I could look at a book I've read > twenty times or more, and KNOW I've read it twenty times or more, and > yet, re-reading it after the attempt was like reading it for the first > time. Yet once I read it that first time, I retained everything just as > well as I had done before the suicide attempt. I also lost coordination > on one side of my body due to the oxygen being cut off. It came back > over a period of years, although I am not quite sure if my strength has > returned to what it was. But " minor " strokes can be overcome. > > " Needless to say we provide good income to the pharmaceutical > companies. " > > I think if I was going to make sure someone got their meds it would be > your wife for the manic depression and your son for his kidney problem. > > " School was torture for me (my brain hates being bored I tend to learn > too fast to stay engaged) and I have a difficult time wanting to go > back. " > > My nickname in high school chemistry and physics was " Einstein " because > I would skip the majority of the " scientific method " and still get > better results than the rest of the class during experiments. School > bored me too. My university degree, which everyone else who hasn't been > to college sees as a " brass ring " always looked like a pop top to me, > but I got it because getting a degree seemed to mean something to > working professionals. > > " I went to a tech school and graduated with all honors had 98.7% test > score average but after graduating I found out most of the local shops > here considered the school to a farce and the diploma meant squat as far > as getting a job. " > > From being on the hiring end of things, I can tell you that there are > plenty of places someone could get a degree from and we would not hire > them BECAUSE they chose to get their degree there. I also know people > who run their own businesses, and they will NOT hire anyone from places > like Lincoln Tech, or ITT or the like. > > In terms of the tech school, even had it been one that these people > recognized, the liklihood of you being hired on the basis of a diploma > alone would have been minimal. When we hired folks, we hired based on > grades, achievement, experience, but we were willing to hire a person > without experience provided they had demonstrated intelligence, aptitude > for learning, innovative qualities, and the ability to work on their > own. Of course, we were hiring for bookkeeping, not tech stuff. > > " It took years to pay that off although I will admit the training I > received helped me diagnose the cnc saw I work on. that is why I am > reticent to go back to school I call that my ten grand > mistake. " > > I would not call it a mistake though. It is one of the stones you need > to step on to get to the top, but it is a stone that is low on the > stairs. What employers are looking for is for you to step up higher than > others, or on a distinguished stairway. > > " I have had one job offer from the scm group who made our saw their > support guy has been impressed with me from the time we met over the > phone. That job pays five times what I make but includes being on the > road constantly and my family goes into turmoil when I have just one > evening to myself.I can't sell my family that point also makes school > difficult as they would almost have to attend with me to keep their > sanity. > > " Left to themselves my son is always talking all the time and after an > hour or so my wife goes bi-polar they are like oil and water so I am in > a pickle. I don't see how I can go back to school unless I take at least > my son along. Sorry for the novel " > > Look, I think what you are doing is trying to find a way to make your > life easier. I can relate to you, and I applaud you for being innovative > and thinking beyond your current situation. The only thing I can say is > that if you are looking to rake in the bucks, PROBABLY -although this is > not true in all cases- you have to spend money to make money. > > I think your best bet is to try to work yourself up the totem pole from > within, or to try to network your way into another job through making > contacts with other people. The majority of all hires which ever take > place are usually referrals. " I know this person and think they are very > good at what they do. " Employers are willing to take a chance on people > who are introduced that way because they believe the introducer would > not risk his/her reputation on someone who was a poor preformer. > > So I think what you need to do is do your job really well...and make > sure other people SEE that you are doing it well so that if anyone else > needs someone like you for a job that pays more, it will become an > option for you. > > > > Administrator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 first of all Mr Bettagere asked me to come back for a third night (I usually do fri and sat 7:00 til 10:00) because his wife was attending a lecture and he wanted her to experiance it.He told me he was impressed by the way the event was ran and asked for me to find a similar circle in New Orleans for him and his wife to attend.He was curious about my long term goals where this endeavor was involved and truthfully I told him I really did't have any I just do it for a community event.He expressed the potentials he perceived and said I should try to get sponsored to expand into different areas. He asked for my E-mail to send me a letter to share with others his thoughts on the experience hoping he might be able to influence some kind of sponsorship. I never perused it I just kept the letter in a e-mail folder. - " ... <snip> ... all drum circles are not the same in point > of fact I had voluntered to help local mental health program run some to > help special needs kids learn team work.These were very innefective [sp] > for them at the time because the certified music therapist that was > leading this could not keep a beat to save her life and was not > enthusiastic ... <snip> ... " > > I would sincerely doubt that a local mental health organization would > hire a certified music therapist who was unable to master the most basic > of skills required to be a music therapist ... that being to keep a > beat. Keeping a beat while directing people can be more challenging than it sounds and yes her time kept slipping and she would keep starting the grooves over. Evidently they did not require an audition when they contracted her she approached them about doing this and had been to several very extensive workshops on facilitation.She can play piano just fine but in a circle when several kids are playing loudly off beat she loses time.There is a total differance when you are playing with musicians over playing with kids that just wanting to make some noise. she asked me to come help her( she had attended many of my circles before she started this) which I did help her out I had years more experience. The program was shut down then moved to some of the local schools and was taken over by a percussionist student at one of the local universities. > What's more, I absolutely doubt that a local mental health organization > would say anything of the sort to you as this would leave the local > mental health organization open to a lawsuit for slander and defamation > of character and, perhaps, libel if it was also in writing somewhere > other than on her private file. >the health organization had no conversation with me I was speaking of what I witnessed. > The more I read about your 'business' ideas and your alleged > philanthropy and such ... the more I see your business acumen in action > and your professionalism (or lack thereof) ... the more I see that you > are the sort of individual that puts many at risk for the sake of > looking good. It appears that it's all puffering and pride > unfortunately and that a sad thing to see. > What puffering and pride are you speaking of if you mean I feel good about putting a smile on a bunch of faces then I am guilty.I was wanting to brag In I would direct people to you tube videos and talk about the articles written about me.maybe I would talk about opening up for one of Claptons favorite up and coming bands but that's not why I do this.I could bragg about all the niceties said by two of the local newes reporters that attends regularly. Maybe I could speak of the downtown merchants association,the old town development commitee or the local visitors center who have all said how great it is to see something new and exciting in the area.maybe I could speak of how the arts association has us on their calendar and approached me to see how they could help(they gave me a grant to buy more drums). Now if I was here to be grandiose about my drumming and act like it's all about me as a great drummer I could do that but that's not why I run the drum circle. > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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