Re: Give me some advice

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"I have been passed up on getting a promotion twice and the promotions went to those that had less seniority and less competance."

The fact is, you were passed up for a promotion because you can't socialize and suck up to people the way others can. This is why companies around the world are in such bad shape. If a person likes you, they promote you, even if your skills are poor.

Meanwhile, skilled people who actually know how to do their jobs get left in the same position forever.

"I can't even pay all my bills and have to skip meals sometimes to make sure my family has food."

Yep.

I would suggest in future elections you vote Republican if you have not up until this point. It's the Democrats who are destroying the economy and preventing people from getting the jobs that suit them the most.

"I don't have the formal training or certifications to get a real tech job. I want to start a program designed to train those like myself get them certifications and create jobs around them."

I used to work for a consulting firm for 501c3 organizations. I have some opinions to offer...but I offer them "as is." They may not be entirely correct. You need to find out what state and federal regulations are about setting up a non-profit, as well as IRS rules. You'll also probably need and accountant and an attorney, a board of directors, and considerable training on how to shet up and operate a non-profit.

Beginning on a most basic level:

Problem number one is getting people that you can train them properly. If you have no formal training yourself, and if you yourself have not advanced to a higher level than you are currently at, they may be unlikely to trust that you can train them.

We all understand that learning by doing is the best teacher. Keep in mind that Steve Jobs and Bill gates had no training in their fields either, but unless you can put up a facde that will convince people that you know what you are talking about, you may have a hard time of it.

"My job stresses me out so much I am on meds just to cope with it because when something doesn't break I do a production job that is just like sharpening pencils only they are plastic rods. The whole time I am working they are playing music that drives me NUTS. So I figured I I could create my own job and help others like me have a decent working environment we could do awesome thing together.We could come up with other jobs though comming up with inventions and inventive ideas."

It's always nice to see people enthusiatic about persuing their dreams and making a difference in the world. I know that finding a better job in today's economy is tough, and so a good bet would be to start something on one's own.

My opinion is: If you are going to start your own business, even if it is a charity, don't quit your day job.

You first have to explore whether or not there is even a market for what you are offerring, and you need to see if there are people willing to pay for it, or grantmoney paid out for it, or people who are willing to fund it.

Additionally, you will need to familiarize yourself with all rules and regulations around establishing a 501©3 charity and take any and all legal means to prevent your own assets from becoming confiscatable in the even your charity falters.

You need to look into establishing a board of directors so that your charity does not get accused of malfeasance.

Keeping in mind that there are over 50,000 501©3 charities in the US, you need to figure out how yours is going to distinguish itself from those already in existence, and how it is someone else is going to see the advantage in it.

By far, many charities fail within the first couple of years as do half of all small businesses.

Thanks to Obama's wonderful spending plan, Obama is now going to END tax credits for contributions to charities, thereby reducing the benefit's people get by contributing to them. Additionally, he will be making it harder for charities to operate, requiring them to contribute more of their actual net worth per year to the actual cause, as well as requiring tax transparency.

New charities which appear to be set up for the express purpose of deriving income for the founder will be denied and or scruitinized heavily.

So you will need to consult an attorney and an accountant to figure out how workable all of this is.

"What do you guys think of that because i don't pity myself i just hate not living up to my great potential. I think if enough of us came together we could solve most of todays problems."

I like idealism. However, I think you are biting a big chunck out of a shrinking cake. Keep in mind that the charity all autistics love to hate (Autism Speaks) spends more than they take in on fundraisers, and most of the grant money they get goes to advertising or funding studies. The execs get paid a lot, but viewed purely as a business venture, they are failing.

I think you need to do a lot of serious thinking and planning and research before you embark on what you are proposing.

Another alternative would be to find another job in the meantime.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Good for you. My son started a business without qualifications or experience. He started working free in November last year and got some references. Then about 4 weeks later he sent out fliers to prospective clients and got enough work for one day a week paid. By February he was getting two days a week, paid. He is now on to 4 days a week which is sufficient to live on (he is not into consumerism) and which allows him to do a small business course, one unit at a time. He is doing the course because he sees the opportunity to employ others, although he is not certain he wants to do that. However studying keeps his options open.

He used this to focus on what he needed to do to develop a business. He was able to borrow money from me to cover his insurance costs but otherwise he has not needed any help. He has already paid that back. I suggest if you do not have someone you can borrow from, keep working for a little while to get some savings to fall back on and at the same time develop your business plan, develop your training plan and do some voluntary training to get started.

Developing a business plan:

http://www.va-interactive.com/inbusiness/editorial/bizdev/ibt/business_plan.html

Adult learning - this was developed for learning in the field of agriculture but it applies to any area.

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/agexed/aee523/index.html

I also suggest that if you know of someone in real life or online who has developed a small business, ask the person if he/she would be willing to mentor you. It is much harder to do this on your own. If you have a really good business plan and some references and you are meeting a community need, you may be eligible for a small business funding program.

Best wishes for success

gp

Give me some advice

I am wanting to start a 501©(3)non profit and I want to do it right.First let me tell you why I am doing this.

I have worked for a company for 11 years now I am self trained in the tech field.I work on their pc's and computerized saw.

I have been passed up on getting a promotion twice and the promotions went to those that had less seniority and less competance.

I can't even pay all my bills and have to skip meals sometimes to make sure my family has food. I don't have the formal training or certifications to get a real tech job.

I want to start a program designed to train those like myself get them certifications and create jobs around them.

My job stresses me out so much I am on meds just to cope with it because when something doesn't break I do a production job that is just like sharpening pencils only they are plastic rods.

The whole time I am working they are playing music that drives me NUTS. So I figured I I could create my own job and help others like me have a decent working environment we could do awesome thing together.We could come up with other jobs though comming up with inventions and inventive ideas.

What do you guys think of that because i don't pity myself i just hate not living up to my great potential.

I think if enough of us came together we could solve most of todays problems.

Thanks

Chris

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Tom wrote:

>>The fact is, you were passed up for a promotion because you can't socialize

and suck up to people the way others can. This is why companies around the world

are in such bad shape. If a person likes you, they promote you, even if your

skills are poor.

I guess my social skills are good enough in the context of my job because they

did promote me to shift manager [and I suck up to no one]. Even back in the days

when my social skills were much poorer, I have been offered promotions in the

stores I have worked [which I declined, as I knew I was not up to it back then

and/or it interfered with being there for my boys]. Mcs does, for the most

part, appreciate hard workers. At least the stores I have worked at. I have won

Crew Member of the Month many times.

That said, there is someone in my store who wants to be a manager, and gets

upset every time someone else gets promoted. Her social skills are lacking [she

comes across very rudely when interacting with crew and some customers]. She has

been told how she comes across to people but there is little change.

But she isn't as motivated as she could be, either. The other day I gave her a

test [she didn't know it] by leaving trays unwiped and high chair trays undone

on the front counter. I deliberately did not tell her to do them as I wanted to

see if she would do them on her own, as she kept saying that she keeps herself

busy and doesn't just stand around. As a crew person I did whatever I saw needed

to be done without being told, even if the task was not my favorite thing to do.

She puttered around doing other little tasks but totally ignored the trays.

Every front counter person knows that they are expected to wipe the trays,

especially someone who has been working for Mcs for 6 years, as she has.

After awhile I took the high chair trays and took them back to be washed and

sanitized. Then brought them back and put them back on the counter. Still she

did not touch any of the trays or put the clean trays back on the high chairs.

Finally at lunch time I put the clean trays on the high chairs myself. She never

did touch the other trays the rest of her shift. So it is not just the lack of

social skills holding her back. She keeps herself busy just doing the things she

wants to do.

I do like her as a peron, though [no one else can stand her]. There are also

others who work there who are socially inept in some way and I get along well

with them. I have gotten to know them well enough to know that they are not just

being jerks when they sound rude or unfriendly. I know what it is like to be

misunderstood, so I don't react negatively to them. These people cooperate with

me and one of the other managers wonder why I have no trouble with them as

others do.

~gail~

[Guest guest]

Let's look at this from a hard-nosed business perspective, from the POV of

someone that will provide either loans or grants to a prospective business.

Here are some required items:

1. Business plan: if you can't provide guesstimates as to costs and returns on

investment that can be measured and that also make any sort of logical sense

that shows you've done some serious thinking, you might as well stop now, and go

back to your wholly unsatisfying job, or restart and actually come up with a

business plan. In the best of times, you won't get funding from people without

a business plan that they can rally behind, for any sort of company: in these

times, you had better be even more certain that what you present makes sense in

order to get any sort of loans or grants, because people will be even more

loathe to throw money away.

2. You need to demonstrate that you have what it takes by showing them your

re´sume´ which, in your case, you've got two things you need to do, by showing

them that not only you can talk the talk, but that you can walk the walk, and

here's what you need to do:

a. Show them that you are competent managing money - from your very own

admissions, you have little to no credibility there, if you can't even pay all

your bills and have to go hungry sometimes so your family can eat. Logically,

your credit score is probably also very poor as a result, which will affect you

heavily.

b. You need to earn some number of certificates for certification, and/or get

some college degree, which you've indicated you have not done. I can't stress

this point enough: there are many companies and people that use earning a

college degree (any single degree from an accredited college) as a litmus test:

if you haven't shown enough motivation, perseverance, and forethought to have

done that, they seriously won't even look at you for more than menial jobs. By

not having even earned a single certificate in something you proclaim to want to

create any kind of organization to help people accomplish, you will certainly be

labeled as a hypocrite, and likely be suspected of being someone only wishing to

get your certification at their expense, with it appearing to be a sham: that's

certainly how I would evaluate your statements. If you want to get a job, you

almost always have to show them your verifiable background that's relevant to

demonstrate to them that you can do what you claim: then you'll often be forced

to go through the 20 questions (more or less, true tech job interviews can take

up a whole day, and you'll be peppered with questions possibly from several

people in a panel, as well as showing your work on a whiteboard as you solve

programming problems, in my experience looking for software development work)

because sane people aren't going to just hand over a job that costs them money

just to do the paperwork to someone they haven't verified is legitimate: the

amount of re´sume´ padding is horrible, and I've been on the interviewer side of

the table and I'll testify in a court of law that there's a hellish amount of

that going on.

In the tech world, there's two ways to get your foot in the door:

1. Do what you claim you can do, regardless of your educational background:

many places respect provable examples of your knowledge, even if you haven't

done the second one,

2. Get a formal education/college degree from a recognized college that covers

that topic.

From your very own admission, you have neither proven that you are financially

competent to keep your own financial affairs in a reasonable state of order, or

shown that you have enough motivation and the ability to do the requisite hard

work and planning to accomplish for yourself that you claim to want to create a

company to help others doing: you are effectively stating that you are blind and

want to lead the blind, on someone else's bank account, with no good proven

experience that you can either manage finances and that you know what's really

involved in accomplishing the task. After all, if it were so easy to be a

professional athlete, people watching TV for the sports would be professional

athletes just because they can recite all the rules by heart, without having put

in the physical work.

As Tom has stated, the majority of businesses that startup fail, and it doesn't

even matter that many of the people that started them may have had a good

business plan, and actually have real experience in the field that they started

a business in, and had good contacts: when you add in the fact that you're

attempting to do this with credit being tighter than a molecular bond, if you

don't want to be laughed at by everyone and end up looking like an idiot, you

absolutely must present evidence that you're dead serious about accomplishing

this, and that you know how to do it. I won't fund anything commercially that I

don't think has a realistic chance: I also won't donate into a charity case

where I don't have a solid idea that what I've donated won't be squandered.

Bottom line: nothing you have presented shows that you have a chance of making

this work, even in the best of times. You need to fix these things (getting

your finances better figured out, and getting accredited somehow, or at least

actual practical experience in the realm you wish to work for/with to get others

training) before you have a chance of not getting chased out of banks and the

offices of all those you'd wish to hand you money as loans, gifts or grants.

Until then, keep your day job as long as you can, and work hard and work smart

as well.

>

> I am wanting to start a 501©(3)non profit and I want to do it right.First

let me tell you why I am doing this.

> I have worked for a company for 11 years now I am self trained in the tech

field.I work on their pc's and computerized saw.

> I have been passed up on getting a promotion twice and the promotions went

to those that had less seniority and less competance.

> I can't even pay all my bills and have to skip meals sometimes to make sure

my family has food.

> I don't have the formal training or certifications to get a real tech job.

> I want to start a program designed to train those like myself get them

certifications and create jobs around them.

> My job stresses me out so much I am on meds just to cope with it because

when something doesn't break I do a production job that is just like sharpening

pencils only they are plastic rods.

> The whole time I am working they are playing music that drives me NUTS. So I

figured I I could create my own job and help others like me have a decent

working environment we could do awesome thing together.We could come up with

other jobs though comming up with inventions and inventive ideas.

> What do you guys think of that because i don't pity myself i just hate not

living up to my great potential.

> I think if enough of us came together we could solve most of todays

problems.

>

> Thanks

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Hi;

Others have written with very specific advice to starting a business/ non profit

agancy.

wrote, excerpted:

The whole time I am working they are playing music that drives me NUTS. So I

figured I I could create my own job and help others like me have a decent

working environment we could do awesome thing together. We could come up with

other...........

My reply:

Could you wear earphones, like for a personl music player, even if you have no

music playing. That might dull the sound somewhat while you could still hear

what is you need to?

If you find some of the work monotonous, could you have music playing through

earphones?

wrote; excerpted

I don't have the formal training or certifications to get a real tech job.

My reply;

Can you take courses through distance learning? or take some type of equivalency

tests?

Do you keep a written record of specific things you have accomplished in your

work, to put in your resume?

Are there any non-profits in your area that do the type of work you are thinking

of? Could you either apply to volunteer with one, or maybe apply for work with

one of them, to give you an idea of how such an organization might function??

Good luck to you!

renaissanzelady

[Guest guest]

I do wear head phones and when I do they turn their rap up so loud it bleeds

through earbuds playing music and hearing protector headphones on top of that.

thanks Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> My reply;

> Can you take courses through distance learning? or take some type of

equivalency tests?

> Do you keep a written record of specific things you have accomplished in your

work, to put in your resume?

>

> Are there any non-profits in your area that do the type of work you are

thinking of? Could you either apply to volunteer with one, or maybe apply for

work with one of them, to give you an idea of how such an organization might

function??

>

> Good luck to you!

>

> renaissanzelady

>

Good idea I will check into that

[Guest guest]

If their music is that loud, it is an occupational health and safety issue. I suggest talking to your OHS officer.

Re: Give me some advice

I do wear head phones and when I do they turn their rap up so loud it bleeds through earbuds playing music and hearing protector headphones on top of that.

thanks Chris

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