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In a message dated 10/17/1999 5:28:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

cjswartz@... writes:

<< I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I was wondering if anyone

else has spondylitis. >>

Dear Cheryl

I have that too, and don't know if there is a difference. I've had that

since early 1970's, but the Chiropracter did not ever say anything about PA

as cause. He probably did not know the cause. In 1996, I was dx'd with PA

and at 1st tried some sort of drugs. My lower back improved significantly in

regards to my ability to walk twice as far as before the drugs. That's when

my Rhemy said that my spondylitis had to be caused by PA or it would not have

responded to the drug. I only took drugs the 1st few months, and have not

sinced, as they are by far more dangerous than PA. However, I am going back

to talk to my Rhemy about some of these things soon.

Kind regards,

Marie

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There is a form of PA that is called Spondylitis and it is the form when the

spine is involved primarily. It is different from the type of arthritis

called Ankylosing Spondylitis.

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Dear Cheryl

I too was told I have spondylitis, which in simple terms - inflammation of the

spine.

Spondylitis is one of the five types of PA. I also think spondylitis means any

inflammation of the

spine..... you can have inflammation without having AS. I think they look for

other symptoms to

determine which one you have....since I have psoriasis they chose PA....but

note, my symptons are

only in the lower back, especially sacroiliac. If this doesn't help...you can

know that you are not

alone!

Jayne

cjswartz@... wrote:

> From: cjswartz@...

>

> Hello everybody,

> I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I was wondering if anyone else

has spondylitis.

> My rheumy told me last week that I have spondylitis. He did not say

" Ankylosing Spondylitis " .

> Is there a difference?

> Cheryl

>

> > Please visit our new web page at:

> http://www.wpunj.edu/icip/pa

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I have no idea if there is a difference between S and

AS, but I have AS. Psoriatic Arthritis is my primary

diagnosis but ankylosing spondilitis is in there

somewhere as well. Both diseases are treated the same

ways, with NSAIDs, DMARDs, and exercise, so I don't

even know if it matters that I have the seperate

diagnoses -- I have a feeling I'd be under the same

treatment if I had PA and AS or just one or the other.

As far as daily life goes I can't say which is worse

--the AS in my back or the PA in my hands and feet.

There is no way of living without use of back, hands

and feet, so I am screwed every which way. Hope you

are doing better than that!

RAH

--- cjswartz@... wrote:

> Hello everybody,

> I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I

> was wondering if anyone else has spondylitis.

> My rheumy told me last week that I have spondylitis.

> He did not say " Ankylosing Spondylitis " .

> Is there a difference?

> Cheryl

>

>

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> Please visit our new web page at:

> http://www.wpunj.edu/icip/pa

>

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Someone already mentioned the great spondylitis site at

www.spondylitis.org

Even if you don'y have spondylitis, it is worth it to go to that site

and hear their little theme song. It takes a little time to download

the song to your computer, but again, it IS worth it. To give you a

little hint, the song is entitled " We Know How You Feel " It is a

great pick-me-up when the body has got ya down. Give it a try and

PLEASE let me know what you think. (I've referred this site to to

others and never heard back. Tell me, should I keep referring to

that site or am I the only one enjoying it??) LaRita

Thought from LaRita

" it's all right letting yourself go as long as you can let yourself back. "

Mick Jagger

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Hi Lee Ann,

I have two of these pea sized knots in the palm of my hand, below my middle

and ring finger. I just developed them a few weeks ago and won't be able to

ask my doc what they are until my appointment next week. This is the first

time that I've got these kind of knots.

Maybe someone else has had this problem and will tell us both what causes

these knots.

Vicki

Lee Ann Walter wrote:

> From: " Lee Ann Walter " <SAWalter@...>

>

> Do those of you who have Spondylitis have little knots on your

> lower back that feel about the size of a pea? I have a few on my

> lower back in the area where the pain is so bad. I am just

> wondering if they have anything to do with the PA. My x-ray of

> my back showed no damage, so I am not sure what to think. I have

> no said anything to the doctor about the little lumps. Maybe I

> should.

>

> Lee Ann

>

> > Please visit our new web page at:

> http://www.wpunj.edu/icip/pa

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LeeAnn,

I have three of these pea sized knots on my head. I went to the doctor and

he tried to burn them off. They are still here. I'm not sure what to do

next. They are more annoying than painful. Though brushing my thinning

hair, can irritate them a bit.

I went and had x-rays done and felt so vindicated at the doctor's office,

when the doc I saw seemed to understand my pain and could tell where my

joints were hurting just by looking at them or touching them. The intern

doc, seemed so clueless. (I go to Stanford.) They took x-rays because they

said I had all of the symptoms of Ankylosing Spondilitis. When I read about

it on the net, I couldn't have agreed more. It made sense to my physical

therapist and my internist as well as my pain management doc. Then when I

went back to Stanford, she said (the intern), that my x-rays looked pristine.

I was shocked! The gal doing my x-rays had commented on my arthritis when

she was doing them. I still don't know what to think. It's not like I want

anything else wrong with me, but come on I'm a classic case and I'm beginning

to wonder if she had the right x-rays. My orthopedic had x-rays done a few

months ago of my lower back and sac area. Both showed arthritis. Go figure!

Amy

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AmyDeel@... wrote:

> <snip> I had x-rays done and felt so vindicated <snip>

> when the doc ... to understand my pain and could tell where my

> joints were hurting just by looking at them or touching them. The intern

> doc, seemed so clueless. <snip> It made sense to my physical

> therapist and my internist as well as my pain management doc. Then <snip>

> the intern (said) that my x-rays looked pristine.

> I was shocked! The gal doing my x-rays had commented on my arthritis when

> she was doing them. I still don't know what to think. <snip>

> My orthopedic had x-rays done a few

> months ago of my lower back and sac area. Both showed arthritis. Go figure!

And people wonder why I'm so disillusioned with doctors!!

Can the one doctor overrule the opinion of all those others you mentioned?

BTW: I'm developing little knots on the left thumb joint that's tender to touch.

And now I'm finding (by touch) little blisters on my scalp. ???

Anyone have any ideas???? I'm about convinced that my body is

falling apart and there's little to do about it but make the best

of my energy and time.

Patty Bacon in the rainy Pineywoods of East Texas

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>>>>>BTW: I'm developing little knots on the left thumb joint

that's tender to touch.

And now I'm finding (by touch) little blisters on my scalp. ???

Anyone have any ideas???? I'm about convinced that my body is

falling apart and there's little to do about it but make the best

of my energy and time.

Patty Bacon in the rainy Pineywoods of East Texas<<<<

Hi Patty,

I have a knot developing on my middle finger on my left hand at

the big middle knuckle. It gets better and then worse depending

on the weather. I have the blisters on my scalp. Actually along

my hair line. My doctor says it is the psoriasis. If you look

at the different types of psoriasis there is a type with

blisters.

I guess that accounts for my hair loss too.

Lee Ann

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--- Kirsten <kirstenmj@...> wrote:

> My question is: what does it feel like? Whenever I

> move my head, I can hear bones rubbing together.

Hi Kirsten -- I have both PA and AS and can approach

this -- no, I do not experience pain when I turn my

head, and I do not hear bones rubbing together. AS

affects the sacroiliac joints, which are all the way

south, just above 'yer butt, on both side of the

spine.

If you've got it, you'll know it! More below --

> The rheumy had said there's nothing that can be

> done. The bones will fuse together eventually

> and then it won't hurt after that.

> I don't want the bones to fuse.

Whaaaaale -- yes and no. In the long run your rheumy

is right; eventually the spine fuses and the pain

goes away. But the " nothing can be done " bit is both

disappointing and just plain wrong! Sure there are

things you can do. A short roster would include:

1. =AMA-type medication=

People on this list use any number of NSAIDs (non

steroidal anti inflammatory drugs) DMARDs (disease

modifying anti rheumatic drugs) Steroids (such as

prednisone and cortisone) Sulfas (sulfasalazine, etc.)

any combination of which might be helpful. If you are

in pain and your RD (Rheumatological doctor) has not

put you on anything like this, or what s/he has put

you on is not working, you can either ask him/her to

try something else or try something else yourself:

find another doctor!

2. =Exercise=

I know what you are thinking -- " EXERCISE! I CAN

HARDLY WALK! " We've all been there, believe me. I

have had a series of great excuses not to exercise

ever since I was in a near fatal car accident more

than twenty years ago. Then the PA/AS got really bad,

which I took for the best excuse of all, until I

became bedridden, when I realized that if I didn't

start moving myself I'd never move! I go to the gym

three days a week now, and although I don't do half of

what some of the other guys there do I am certain that

I would not be erect (upright, sillys!), walking, and

working right now if I did not go to the gym.

3. =Emotional sustenance=

Our bodies and our minds are inextricably

interconnected. What happens upstairs afects what

happens down in the body, and vice versa. Emotional

healing can happen in a number of ways -- pick the

type or types that work for you, from prayer to

meditation to things that work on both the emotional

and physical, like ta'i chi and yoga. If you are

interested in meditation I can offer you some

help/resources, but I don't know much about the others

I listed.

I've been on this rant before. AMA-type medication,

exercise, and emotional well-being form the triad of

things we can do for ourselves, but one rarely works

without the others. Some people offer unicausal

formulas for success; doctors might tell us that

taking our meds is the best we can do, while more

alternatively-minded people might suggest diets or

herbs, etc. I'm not saying don't try the meds or

don't try the herbs, I'm saying choose a strategy of

well-being that combines the best of the medical, the

physical, and the emotional.

OK, I'm off-rant. Metta --

, North Jersey Highlands

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I have Spondylitis, and it is in my neck as well as SI, and recently I have

developed a " crunchy " noise that accompanies a certain movement of bending

my head to the left. It is almost as if a certain muscle, ligament, tendon

whatever is tightened up and making noise as it moves across the bone.

-April

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Another comment on spondylitis; my rheumy made a comment that the bones

don't always become fused. Anyone else heard this? She did say if they

do, they stop hurting.

-April

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HI! This is --WENDYWHI@... letting you all know that I'm switching

over by next week to Juno. AOL has been a mess for me. My new Email address

will be: PAT.Mc@... I can't tell you all how much help, support and

sincere caring I have gotten through being with this wonderful group of

caring people. I am so very grateful!! God bless Love,

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Jayne:

I really do not know what he sees there on the MRI that tells him it

is spondylitis. Looks like I didnt ask enough questions of my Rheumy?

All I have experienced is stiffness and achiness in my back, the

hands and foot are another story...I will ask him next visit...

I have a question for

> you..........how did the mri show spondylitis? Can you

> tell me? It is a bad area to have pain......I have had

> days where I wanted to scream.and have done so.....but

> I have two little ones to take care of (and a big

> one)....and I got to function. Jayne

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  • 4 years later...

as has been one of my diagnosis for awhile. along with reiters. some days my

back is really painful. get into some good physical therapy. they can do

massage and teach you exercises to open your back. try to keep moving. it's your

best defense.

kathy in il

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as has been one of my diagnosis for awhile. along with reiters. some days my

back is really painful. get into some good physical therapy. they can do

massage and teach you exercises to open your back. try to keep moving. it's your

best defense.

kathy in il

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