Re: small but significant victory this morning

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I LOVE my Magic Bullet and use it every day to grind coffee beans and usually again for protein shakes.  It's indispensable!  I've been to the Land of Bad food before and your best defense is to go to the grocery store and make your own food and salads.  Yes it might hurt their feelings to not eat what they cook but you would be setting a healthy example for them too. 

My sister is a healthy eater (like me she just eats too much and too many carbs) but my parents eat appallingly bad.  Ug!Hugs

 

new years I am doing a detox again.. As nancy pointed out I have to be realistic about this time of year. I am cooking for 5 guys (my friends not going home) for T-day,then driving to FL for dog event and then home to the land of bad foodthat is my parents SO  I know I will be better after Dec. I do plan on packing healthy snacks for my trip to FL and am sending some salmon for christmas gift to my parents.. so will have some healthy stuff but know that if I maintain I will do good.

ooh and I am packing my magic bullet. My thing is a green smoothie every am.. that helps..protein powder(rice and pea) in with greens and fruit.. filling and healthty

To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:50 AM

Subject: small but significant victory this morning

 

Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a lot of carbsl.  I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.  

I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!!  I have lots of tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!  People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so important to stay hydrated.  

I am re-motivated to get RIPPED.  The ONLY thing that is keeping me from getting to my goal is DIET.  I will still eat yummy things like at Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just really need to not drink alcohol.  When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40 lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer. 

Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my palette will never be bored.  Cooking with more spices and such.  I have some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a vegan.  I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.  

I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!  Okay, thanks for listening! Over and out,

[Guest guest]

I love my blendtec blender.. but for travel the bullet works except I broke 2 of my mugs (big ones) and need to find replacements.. To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:06 PM Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morning

I LOVE my Magic Bullet and use it every day to grind coffee beans and usually again for protein shakes. It's indispensable! I've been to the Land of Bad food before and your best defense is to go to the grocery store and make your own food and salads. Yes it might hurt their feelings to not eat what they cook but you would be setting a healthy example for them too.

My sister is a healthy eater (like me she just eats too much and too many carbs) but my parents eat appallingly bad. Ug!Hugs

new years I am doing a detox again.. As nancy pointed out I have to be realistic about this time of year. I am cooking for 5 guys (my friends not going home) for T-day,then driving to FL for dog event and then home to the land of bad foodthat is my parents SO I know I will be better after Dec. I do plan on packing healthy snacks for my trip to FL and am sending some salmon for christmas gift to my parents.. so will have some healthy stuff but know that if I maintain I will do good.

ooh and I am packing my magic bullet. My thing is a green smoothie every am.. that helps..protein powder(rice and pea) in with greens and fruit.. filling and healthty

To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:50 AM

Subject: small but significant victory this morning

Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse! People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so important to stay hydrated.

I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40 lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!! Okay, thanks for listening! Over and out,

[Guest guest]

Ah, yes -- the Land of Bad Food. My mother is an exiled Queen from there! (My

sister reigns in her place now!) We FORCE her to eat those nasty things like

vegetables and fresh fruit... She complains about that a lot, and the fact that

we don't serve dessert with every meal.

My husband understands a lot of my eating problems since my mother moved in with

us!

Indyrose

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> > **

> >

> >

> > new years I am doing a detox again.. As nancy pointed out I have to be

> > realistic about this time of year. I am cooking for 5 guys (my friends not

> > going home) for T-day,then driving to FL for dog event and then home to the

> > land of bad foodthat is my parents SO I know I will be better after Dec. I

> > do plan on packing healthy snacks for my trip to FL and am sending some

> > salmon for christmas gift to my parents.. so will have some healthy stuff

> > but know that if I maintain I will do good.

> >

> > ooh and I am packing my magic bullet. My thing is a green smoothie every

> > am.. that helps..protein powder(rice and pea) in with greens and fruit..

> > filling and healthty

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > *From:* Pink Pussycat

> > *To:* exercisevideos

> > *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2011 11:50 AM

> > *Subject:* small but significant victory this morning

> >

> >

> > Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo

> > tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if

> > you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a

> > lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the

> > end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with

> > 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

> >

> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots

> > of tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!

> > People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> > important to stay hydrated.

> >

> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from

> > getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> > Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just

> > really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40

> > lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

> >

> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> > palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have

> > some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute

> > chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does

> > force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a

> > vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

> >

> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

> >

> > Okay, thanks for listening!

> >

> > Over and out,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I bought more cups and lids on Ebay  

 

I love my blendtec blender.. but for travel the bullet works except I broke 2 of my mugs (big ones) and need to find replacements..

[Guest guest]

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !

I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I

keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I

don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other

than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has

never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a

matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably

doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but

it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to

be.

By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit

drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.

By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food

and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship

with food?

>

> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo

> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if

> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a

> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the

> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with

> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

>

> I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of

> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!

> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> important to stay hydrated.

>

> I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from

> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just

> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40

> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

>

> Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have

> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute

> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does

> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a

> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

>

> I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

>

> Okay, thanks for listening!

>

> Over and out,

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great post, . I don't drink alcohol EVER. I guess the last time I drank anything was probably 20 years ago. My mother and father were both big time alcoholics so they pretty much ruined me from even wanting to do it even just once in a while.**----- Reply message -----To: <exercisevideos >Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I hear ya, . I feel so deprived sometimes. I go nuts on the weekend and eat anything and everything. What sucks about thanksgiving is that its on a weekday. I don't pig out on a week day lol. I will this time though. **----- Reply message -----To: <exercisevideos >Subject: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 11:50 am

Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a lot of carbsl.  I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.  

I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!!  I have lots of tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!  People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so important to stay hydrated.  

I am re-motivated to get RIPPED.  The ONLY thing that is keeping me from getting to my goal is DIET.  I will still eat yummy things like at Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just really need to not drink alcohol.  When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40 lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer. 

Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my palette will never be bored.  Cooking with more spices and such.  I have some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a vegan.  I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.  

I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!  Okay, thanks for listening! Over and out,

[Guest guest]

you are so smart to stay away from it!  As says it's so culturally ingrained that psychologically it can be difficult to abstain - however, I really need to in order be the athlete I envision myself to be. 

The book was Mindful Eating.  It must be popular because I had to wait awhile to get it from the library. I read about half a chapter and decided it wasn't for me.  Oh I agree with the premise and the contents therein, but all that can be summed up in a few paragraphs and I tend to respond to a more pragmatic approach.  I get more inspired reading what bodybuilders eat and by looking at what they eat and when. 

It's nice to know that some of you guys don't drink or seldom do - that motivates me as well!  Hugs!

 

Great post, .  I don't drink alcohol EVER.  I guess the last time I drank anything was probably 20 years ago.  My mother and father were both big time alcoholics so they pretty much ruined me from even wanting to do it even just once in a while.

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Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

 

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !

I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.

By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.

By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?

>

> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo

> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if

> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a

> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the

> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with

> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

>

> I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of

> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!

> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> important to stay hydrated.

>

> I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from

> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just

> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40

> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

>

> Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have

> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute

> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does

> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a

> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

>

> I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

>

> Okay, thanks for listening!

>

> Over and out,

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not a drinker either though I definitely was when I was younger. I used to think I really loved mixed drinks especially. I loved looking at bartender books and trying different recipes, etc. I even thought about doing a bartending course both for my own "benefit" and possibly as a way to make money. Then I decided I didn't like how drinking made me feel and, while the drinks were fun to taste, it didn't last long but the pounds sure did. I also realized, from a sensory standpoint, I enjoy eating more so than drinking too and it became easier to choose to spend points on fun food more so than drinks, especially because it was easier to make the foods less damaging but still enjoyable with ingredient substitutions. Nowadays, I do like a glass of wine or frozen strawberry daquiri every once in a very great while (we're talking once to three times per year probably) and sometimes I even eat dessert in the same meal as my alcohol too! :-)

I'll say it again on giving up anything though to lose weight though... I firmly believe no matter what you choose to do with your eating or drinking, if you want to lose weight once and for all you must find a way to make it a sustainable change by either including the foods/drinks you love somehow or deciding you really don't love them that much (something else is more important) and move on. That might mean eating/drinking less of whatever trouble item it is, enjoying it only for special occasions or planning ways to include it in your calorie/point/carb/whatever budget regularly, whatever works for you. Planning would be the key there. Deprivation almost always backfires eventually and usually people gain back everything they lost plus friends of those pounds. If your goal is to be a body builder then maybe you have to decide that that is more important to you than alcohol, truly rejoice in that commitment and move forward in it (not mourning the loss of your wine)? It does not sound like you're there though (yet?) and need to continue to find ways to work towards it (in your mind even more so than in your body) without making yourself miserable. Or maybe you just need to find somewhere in the middle that you can live in happily ever after? Another thought that just came to me, especially with the thought of somewhere in the middle is, keeping in mind I know very little about body builder diets beyond what you've posted here, are there some who do allow some alcohol and still manage to maintain their physiques? If so, perhaps talk with them and find out how they manage it and get tips and ideas that might work for you so you don't have to totally give it up? Sort of like have your wine and your body builder body too? ;-)

I don't mean to be too blunt, intrusive or know-it-allish but you mention alcohol a lot and seem to really enjoy it yet it seems quite at odds with your body builder plans and that kind of head-butting of desires is likely to keep leading you in the same circle you've been going (give it up & lose weight, enjoy it again & gain it back, do it again) instead of leading you to lasting enjoyment wherever you end up. Just an observation from very much outside your head, take whatever makes sense and toss out the rest, no hurtfulness or meanness intended at all...

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

in my other reply to this i mentioned alcohol a lot because that's what focused on but it applies to foods too.

just my thoughts, reflections on what I've seen in my own weight loss journey and those of the others I'm privileged to be a part of, but everyone's attitudes and decisions are personal and must be right for them so consider my other post just "food for thought" or throw it into the compost pile if you want! :-)

small but significant victory this morning

Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse! People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so important to stay hydrated.

I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40 lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

Okay, thanks for listening!

Over and out,

[Guest guest]

This is an excellent post, and I couldn't agree more. I finally feel I have a healthy relationship with food and exercise. In my 20's I was all about extremes - starvation diets, excessive exercise, binging, now I"m all about moderation.

I eat desserts, I have chocolate, I drink wine, I eat cheese, - but not to excess and not every day. And, if it is going to be my "wine and cheese' night (sometimes DH and I will do that on a Friday night)- I try to be mindful of that in my eating during the day - and stick w/ lower fat foods, etc. I also don't really have an "ideal" body I'm looking to achieve, I basically want to be healthy and I want to look decent, but no real "goal" there other than health.

Funny, since I came around to this way of thinking, maintaining my weight is much easier!Donna

Great post, . I don't drink alcohol EVER. I guess the last time I drank anything was probably 20 years ago. My mother and father were both big time alcoholics so they pretty much ruined me from even wanting to do it even just once in a while.**

----- Reply message -----To: <exercisevideos >Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy

relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1

gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier

options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Great post nancy.. it is something I came to realizes recently. I love wine.. not going to give it up BUT I have been really good about other foods and intake when I drink wine. I realize that my glass of or 2 of wine isn't the problem it is the pounds of goat cheese I eat with it!!!When I do detox or cleanses I can be really good because they are for specific time periods 3 days or week at most but when done I have really changed some eating.. 1) I am eating a lot less gluten.. not gluten free just less 2) lot less cow milks and dairy..still a little but not a lot 3) lot less soy.. again a few but eating legumes and other proteins... For thanksgiving I am really trying to be good this week (well tonight is caps

hockey game.. beer and hotdog!) but smoothies, soup and salad most of week. Thursday.. like you I am going to try portion control and eat special foods.pie.. love my pie!!. Rest of week I am at a dog trial so I will bring my smoothie for lunch and carrots etc and be good.. I have really given up all the crap food at dog events and now really focus on me eating healthy... last trial I got a grilled cheese and felt like crap..so no more vendor food.. bringing veggies, protein bars etc..judy in dc To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: small but significant victory this morning

I'm not a drinker either though I definitely was when I was younger. I used to think I really loved mixed drinks especially. I loved looking at bartender books and trying different recipes, etc. I even thought about doing a bartending course both for my own "benefit" and possibly as a way to make money. Then I decided I didn't like how drinking made me feel and, while the drinks were fun to taste, it didn't last long but the pounds sure did. I also realized, from a sensory standpoint, I enjoy eating more so than drinking too and it became easier to choose to spend points on fun food more so than drinks, especially because it was easier to make the foods less damaging but still enjoyable with ingredient substitutions. Nowadays, I do like a glass of wine or frozen strawberry daquiri every once in a very great while (we're talking once to three times per year probably) and sometimes I even eat dessert in the same meal as my alcohol too! :-)

I'll say it again on giving up anything though to lose weight though... I firmly believe no matter what you choose to do with your eating or drinking, if you want to lose weight once and for all you must find a way to make it a sustainable change by either including the foods/drinks you love somehow or deciding you really don't love them that much (something else is more important) and move on. That might mean eating/drinking less of whatever trouble item it is, enjoying it only for special occasions or planning ways to include it in your calorie/point/carb/whatever budget regularly, whatever works for you. Planning would be the key there. Deprivation almost always backfires eventually and usually people gain back everything they lost plus friends of those pounds. If your goal is to be a body builder then maybe you have to decide that that is more important to you than alcohol, truly rejoice in that commitment and move forward in it (not mourning the loss of your wine)? It does not sound like you're there though (yet?) and need to continue to find ways to work towards it (in your mind even more so than in your body) without making yourself miserable. Or maybe you just need to find somewhere in the middle that you can live in happily ever after? Another thought that just came to me, especially with the thought of somewhere in the middle is, keeping in mind I know very little about body builder diets beyond what you've posted here, are there some who do allow some alcohol and still manage to maintain their physiques? If so, perhaps talk with them and find out how they manage it and get tips and ideas that might work for you so you don't have to totally give it up? Sort of like have your wine and your body builder body too? ;-)

I don't mean to be too blunt, intrusive or know-it-allish but you mention alcohol a lot and seem to really enjoy it yet it seems quite at odds with your body builder plans and that kind of head-butting of desires is likely to keep leading you in the same circle you've been going (give it up & lose weight, enjoy it again & gain it back, do it again) instead of leading you to lasting enjoyment wherever you end up. Just an observation from very much outside your head, take whatever makes sense and toss out the rest, no hurtfulness or meanness intended at all...

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Hugs, and you're right of course... but I'm such an all or nothing person sometimes and I'd rather just give it up, I think.  There are so many good reasons not to do it.. Ideally I would like to wind up like you, having a drink a few times a year.  But right now if I have one drink I want 5 drinks (all or nothing mentality) so for now I think abstaining for an extended period of time is best, then maybe reintroducing it in infrequent amounts.  

It is indeed, a struggle for me, as you pointed out.  And I agree that deprivation can backfire.  We'll see what happens.  My desire to be cut is becoming more important than getting tipsy.  I would so much love to see my abs actually emerge instead of hiding under a layer of fat!

Alcohol also messes with the whole digestive process and can keep you from getting nutrients as it is processed first in the body.  I'm also in a phase in my life where I prefer to see things head on as they are rather than in a cloudy state of mind. 

Lots of things to ponder.  Thanks again for your input, it's always appreciated !  :)Hugs

 

I'm not a drinker either though I definitely was when I was younger. I used to think I really loved mixed drinks especially. I loved looking at bartender books and trying different recipes, etc. I even thought about doing a bartending course both for my own " benefit " and possibly as a way to make money. Then I decided I didn't like how drinking made me feel and, while the drinks were fun to taste, it didn't last long but the pounds sure did. I also realized, from a sensory standpoint, I enjoy eating more so than drinking too and it became easier to choose to spend points on fun food more so than drinks, especially because it was easier to make the foods less damaging but still enjoyable with ingredient substitutions. Nowadays, I do like a glass of wine or frozen strawberry daquiri every once in a very great while (we're talking once to three times per year probably) and sometimes I even eat dessert in the same meal as my alcohol too! :-)

 

I'll say it again on giving up anything though to lose weight though... I firmly believe no matter what you choose to do with your eating or drinking, if you want to lose weight once and for all you must find a way to make it a sustainable change by either including the foods/drinks you love somehow or deciding you really don't love them that much (something else is more important) and move on. That might mean eating/drinking less of whatever trouble item it is, enjoying it only for special occasions or planning ways to include it in your calorie/point/carb/whatever budget regularly, whatever works for you. Planning would be the key there. Deprivation almost always backfires eventually and usually people gain back everything they lost plus friends of those pounds. If your goal is to be a body builder then maybe you have to decide that that is more important to you than alcohol, truly rejoice in that commitment and move forward in it (not mourning the loss of your wine)? It does not sound like you're there though (yet?) and need to continue to find ways to work towards it (in your mind even more so than in your body) without making yourself miserable.  Or maybe you just need to find somewhere in the middle that you can live in happily ever after? Another thought that just came to me, especially with the thought of somewhere in the middle is, keeping in mind I know very little about body builder diets beyond what you've posted here, are there some who do allow some alcohol and still manage to maintain their physiques? If so, perhaps talk with them and find out how they manage it and get tips and ideas that might work for you so you don't have to totally give it up? Sort of like have your wine and your body builder body too? ;-)

 

I don't mean to be too blunt, intrusive or know-it-allish but you mention alcohol a lot and seem to really enjoy it yet it seems quite at odds with your body builder plans and that kind of head-butting of desires is likely to keep leading you in the same circle you've been going (give it up & lose weight, enjoy it again & gain it back, do it again) instead of leading you to lasting enjoyment wherever you end up. Just an observation from very much outside your head, take whatever makes sense and toss out the rest, no hurtfulness or meanness intended at all...

 

 

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm 

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

and ,

About alcohol: Like , I probably would be a non-drinker if it hadn't

been for my ex-wife. I grew up around alcoholism in an Irish family, so the

negative effects of drinking were enough to turn me off. My wife liked a little

drinking, so I did it too, but since we split I have cut it out almost entirely.

And, , I definitely don't miss it when I'm not doing it. So hang in there!

It's okay to be different!

> > >

> > > Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was

> > sooooooooooooo

> > > tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which

> > if

> > > you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and

> > a

> > > lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the

> > > end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with

> > > 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

> > >

> > > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots

> > of

> > > tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!

> > > People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> > > important to stay hydrated.

> > >

> > > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from

> > > getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> > > Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I

> > just

> > > really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost

> > 40

> > > lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no

> > brainer.

> > >

> > > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> > > palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have

> > > some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always

> > substitute

> > > chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does

> > > force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a

> > > vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

> > >

> > > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > Okay, thanks for listening!

> > >

> > > Over and out,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]



Your post reminded me of a quote sent to me yesterday by a WW friend (actually a woman who lost almost 80 lbs this past year in one of my classes who is now training to be a WW receptionist and later plans to be a leader too)...

"If you focus on results you'll never see change. If you focus on change you'll get results."

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]



LOL about the cheese with the wine! Definitely another reason for me not to drink. It doesn't take much to get me to let my guard do and do stupid things (no, not dancing with a lamp shade on my head stupid, just stupid food choices mostly and between the food & drink I feel awful the next day)! Live & learn about the vendor food too, as long as you learn, you live longer I guess! :-)

Thanks, Judy!

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

You're awesome, for putting up with my blunt directness! I used to be an all or nothing person too... it didn't get me much more than frustrated. When I finally decided to try baby steps toward goals, I found myself really making progress and that was contagious enough to keep it going. That's how I approached my weight loss this last time and how I've kept it off too. It is hard to change that though unless you see a need to and want to, I did. It was slower than I would have liked and that was even more frustrating, but it worked and now I've bought into it for more parts of my life. I see this kind of thinking all the time in my members too. The people who can let go of some of the all or nothing thinking really do the best long term though I've noticed.

The abstain for a while and then reintroducing problem substances in infrequent and very controlled amounts works well for a lot of people too. My favorite example is one of members and ice cream. She and ice cream have a love/hate relationship. She finally decided she needed to banish it from her life for a while. That went better than she thought it would so after a long while she decided it might be okay to try having boxes of ice cream bars or other things that were preportioned in her house but in a freezer in her basement so it wasn't too easy to get to. That started out okay then went downhill (several portions instead of one) so the ice cream was banished again. The next time she reintroduced it, she allowed it to come in only when she invited a single serving (like getting an ice cream cone instead of a half gallon). That seemed to work pretty well and I think it is still working. It took a lot of time and trial and error for her to figure out what worked for her but I absolutely loved her continuing to try and her stories were hilarious too.

It sounds like your thinking is starting to change and you're starting to develop a real vision for where you want to be and what you want to be and that is truly the most important thing. Keep working at it, you'll make it.

Many hugs,

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I had that ice cream problem, too!! I did finally learn how to enjoy it in moderation, though And now, it isn't really all that much of a temptation.

Donna

Great post, . I don't drink alcohol EVER. I guess the last time I drank anything was probably 20 years ago. My mother and father were both big time alcoholics so they pretty much ruined me from even wanting to do it even just once in a while.**

----- Reply message -----To: <exercisevideos >Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy

relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1

gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier

options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Baby steps are the key to just about everything. When I look at thins I've done,

such as note every nut, bolt, and washer on a lawn mower the size of a car, it

could be overwhelming. But taking it with baby steps -- one wheel assembly, one

throttle control assembly, at a time -- and I did it!

Losing a lot of weight can also be so overwhelming that people never start. But

just one pound at a time. Baby steps.

Indyrose

> >

> > Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was

sooooooooooooo

> > tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara)

which if

> > you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food

and a

> > lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but

in the

> > end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup

with

> > 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

> >

> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have

lots of

> > tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no

excuse!

> > People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> > important to stay hydrated.

> >

> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me

from

> > getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> > Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all

I just

> > really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I

lost 40

> > lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no

brainer.

> >

> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> > palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I

have

> > some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always

substitute

> > chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it

does

> > force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I

was a

> > vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier

options.

> >

> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like

one!!!!!!!

> >

> > Okay, thanks for listening!

> >

> > Over and out,

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't drink. It tastes nasty to me. I am glad it is not a temptation. Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningTo: exercisevideos Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 6:23 PM

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !

I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.

By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.

By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?

>

> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo

> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if

> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a

> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the

> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with

> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.

>

> I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of

> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!

> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so

> important to stay hydrated.

>

> I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from

> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at

> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just

> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40

> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.

>

> Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my

> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have

> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute

> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does

> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a

> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.

>

> I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!

>

> Okay, thanks for listening!

>

> Over and out,

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, I'm with you on that "cloudy state of mind" thing. I've learned that if something is bugging me, I'll resolve it quicker if i just sit with it. It is harder at first because there isn't anything to soften the blow, but that feeling is temporary, and it really speeds up the process in the long run. Not saying I'm always making this choice… but I'm doing it more often than before.It's a journey.Hugs, and you're right of course... but I'm such an all or nothing person sometimes and I'd rather just give it up, I think. There are so many good reasons not to do it.. Ideally I would like to wind up like you, having a drink a few times a year. But right now if I have one drink I want 5 drinks (all or nothing mentality) so for now I think abstaining for an extended period of time is best, then maybe reintroducing it in infrequent amounts. It is indeed, a struggle for me, as you pointed out. And I agree that deprivation can backfire. We'll see what happens. My desire to be cut is becoming more important than getting tipsy. I would so much love to see my abs actually emerge instead of hiding under a layer of fat!Alcohol also messes with the whole digestive process and can keep you from getting nutrients as it is processed first in the body. I'm also in a phase in my life where I prefer to see things head on as they are rather than in a cloudy state of mind. Lots of things to ponder. Thanks again for your input, it's always appreciated ! :)Hugs I'm not a drinker either though I definitely was when I was younger. I used to think I really loved mixed drinks especially. I loved looking at bartender books and trying different recipes, etc. I even thought about doing a bartending course both for my own "benefit" and possibly as a way to make money. Then I decided I didn't like how drinking made me feel and, while the drinks were fun to taste, it didn't last long but the pounds sure did. I also realized, from a sensory standpoint, I enjoy eating more so than drinking too and it became easier to choose to spend points on fun food more so than drinks, especially because it was easier to make the foods less damaging but still enjoyable with ingredient substitutions. Nowadays, I do like a glass of wine or frozen strawberry daquiri every once in a very great while (we're talking once to three times per year probably) and sometimes I even eat dessert in the same meal as my alcohol too! :-) I'll say it again on giving up anything though to lose weight though... I firmly believe no matter what you choose to do with your eating or drinking, if you want to lose weight once and for all you must find a way to make it a sustainable change by either including the foods/drinks you love somehow or deciding you really don't love them that much (something else is more important) and move on. That might mean eating/drinking less of whatever trouble item it is, enjoying it only for special occasions or planning ways to include it in your calorie/point/carb/whatever budget regularly, whatever works for you. Planning would be the key there. Deprivation almost always backfires eventually and usually people gain back everything they lost plus friends of those pounds. If your goal is to be a body builder then maybe you have to decide that that is more important to you than alcohol, truly rejoice in that commitment and move forward in it (not mourning the loss of your wine)? It does not sound like you're there though (yet?) and need to continue to find ways to work towards it (in your mind even more so than in your body) without making yourself miserable. Or maybe you just need to find somewhere in the middle that you can live in happily ever after? Another thought that just came to me, especially with the thought of somewhere in the middle is, keeping in mind I know very little about body builder diets beyond what you've posted here, are there some who do allow some alcohol and still manage to maintain their physiques? If so, perhaps talk with them and find out how they manage it and get tips and ideas that might work for you so you don't have to totally give it up? Sort of like have your wine and your body builder body too? ;-) I don't mean to be too blunt, intrusive or know-it-allish but you mention alcohol a lot and seem to really enjoy it yet it seems quite at odds with your body builder plans and that kind of head-butting of desires is likely to keep leading you in the same circle you've been going (give it up & lose weight, enjoy it again & gain it back, do it again) instead of leading you to lasting enjoyment wherever you end up. Just an observation from very much outside your head, take whatever makes sense and toss out the rest, no hurtfulness or meanness intended at all... Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

as always a great idea nancy.. this is what I had to do with ice cream.. none in house only got it when out .. ie so indulged in great ben and jerry's at the shop or other local ice cream places. I had to do the same with wine. I love GOOD wine.. so I just didn't have it in house and when I went out to dinner I would splurge to buy good expensive bottle. Now only liquor I have in house is expensive (Well the guys have miller lite.. but I just don't like that stuff anymore). and with expensive wines I drink it slowly.. only 1 glass and enjoy it.. now to work on the yummy cheese!!!judy To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Re: small but significant victory this morning

You're awesome, for putting up with my blunt directness! I used to be an all or nothing person too... it didn't get me much more than frustrated. When I finally decided to try baby steps toward goals, I found myself really making progress and that was contagious enough to keep it going. That's how I approached my weight loss this last time and how I've kept it off too. It is hard to change that though unless you see a need to and want to, I did. It was slower than I would have liked and that was even more frustrating, but it worked and now I've bought into it for more parts of my life. I see this kind of thinking all the time in my members too. The people who can let go of some of the all or nothing thinking really do the best long term though I've noticed.

The abstain for a while and then reintroducing problem substances in infrequent and very controlled amounts works well for a lot of people too. My favorite example is one of members and ice cream. She and ice cream have a love/hate relationship. She finally decided she needed to banish it from her life for a while. That went better than she thought it would so after a long while she decided it might be okay to try having boxes of ice cream bars or other things that were preportioned in her house but in a freezer in her basement so it wasn't too easy to get to. That started out okay then went downhill (several portions instead of one) so the ice cream was banished again. The next time she reintroduced it, she allowed it to come in only when she invited a single serving (like getting an ice cream cone instead of a half gallon). That seemed to work pretty well and I think it is still working. It took a lot of time and trial and error for her to figure out what worked for her but I absolutely loved her continuing to try and her stories were hilarious too.

It sounds like your thinking is starting to change and you're starting to develop a real vision for where you want to be and what you want to be and that is truly the most important thing. Keep working at it, you'll make it.

Many hugs,

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I am stealing this quote.. it fit so many things!judy To: exercisevideos Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: small but significant victory this morning



Your post reminded me of a quote sent to me yesterday by a WW friend (actually a woman who lost almost 80 lbs this past year in one of my classes who is now training to be a WW receptionist and later plans to be a leader too)...

"If you focus on results you'll never see change. If you focus on change you'll get results."

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

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Yes! That is what I did w/ ice cream for awhile, too b/c I could eat an entire container in little nibbles throughout the day. Then, suddenly, it just sort of worked for me that I was ok with it and didn't feel the need to do that any more. We also don't buy it regularly, maybe a couple of times a year we'll have it in the house and I can manage it. I also tried the pre-portioned ice cream snacks and that worked for me, too. Visually, I'd see that I was having one more serving. The gallon containers were very easy for me to nibble at - a spoon here and there and before I knew it, it was gone.

Yum - wine and cheese! That is something I treat myself to only on the weekends either Friday or Saturday. I learned that too much wine makes me feel ill the next day - just can't metabolize it like I used to - must be gettin' old.... So, that is my incentive to keep the consumption down - max 2 glasses, more then that, I'm asking to feel sluggish and tired the next day.

Actually, one of my huge motivators to be more moderate in everything I do (both eating and exercising) is my DD. I want to set a good and healthy example for her. My mom definately had and still has issues with food and I grew up with a lot of baggage about food - cycles of indulgence and guilt. I don't think there was ever a time when I was growing up that my mother wasn't on some kind of diet. I remember all of us eating "regular" food and she'd be nibbling at a salad. Then, if she did have something else there was so much guilt and rationalizing associated with it. I'm sure I had a borderline eating disorder in my 20's - but somehow I just managed over the years to develop a better relationship w/ food. I'm honestly not sure how - or what steps I took - I think I just got tired of the "drama" and then when my DD was born I didn't want to hear my mother's words about food coming out of my

mouth....

Ok, enough rambling!Donna

Great post, . I don't drink alcohol EVER. I guess the last time I drank anything was probably 20 years ago. My mother and father were both big time alcoholics so they pretty much ruined me from even wanting to do it even just once in a while.**

----- Reply message -----To: <exercisevideos >Subject: Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy

relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1

gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier

options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>

[Guest guest]



Very smart ideas with the wine & liquor! It sounds like you enjoy it a lot more now too so that's even better. Good luck with the cheese! Back when WW had core & flex plans I went on core which meant no bread or cheese and I did it because those were both stumbling blocks for me. I dropped weight quickly doing that and felt a lot better too plus I didn't really miss it much like I'd been sure I would. That convinced me I really didn't need that stuff after all so while I do have some breads and cheeses now, it is in very small amounts and carefully chosen for maximum enjoyment too! Good luck with it for yourself too!

Re: small but significant victory this morningDate: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm

It's good to hear you did the right thing, !I don't drink much alcohol anymore. Not that I ever was a big drinker, but I keep very little in the house and except for a special event like my birthday, I don't go out to bars. I don't know what to say about cutting out alcohol other than to give you the example of my martial arts instructor. He says he has never had an alcoholic beverage in his life. (I believe him.) It's just a matter of seeing that nothing bad comes from NOT drinking, and drinking arguably doesn't really bring any good to someone's life. Not that I'm against it, but it just doesn't have to be a big part of life like our culture makes it out to be.By the way, it was my martial arts instructor who also inspired me to quit drinking soda pop. I haven't missed it.By the way, , what's the book I saw you mention here recently about food and healthy eating? Wasn't it something about having a healthy relationship with food?>> Small victory: during my commute to work this morning I was sooooooooooooo> tempted to go to Subway and get the $5 footlong (chicken marinara) which if> you get it without cheese it's not bad but still, it's a lot of food and a> lot of carbsl. I had this huge long internal dialogue about it but in the> end did the right thing and had my home made crock pot chicken soup with> 1/2 cup rice for breakfast.> > I've eaten like crap the past few weeks and it MUST stop!!! I have lots of> tasty healthy food here at work that I lugged in so there is no excuse!> People tease me about my 1 gallon water jug on my desk but it's so> important to stay hydrated.> > I am re-motivated to get RIPPED. The ONLY thing that is keeping me from> getting to my goal is DIET. I will still eat yummy things like at> Thanksgiving and such but just be more WISE about it and most of all I just> really need to not drink alcohol. When I didn't drink for a year I lost 40> lbs and that is exactly what I would like to lose so this is a no brainer.> > Part of the solution too is learning more healthy recipes so that my> palette will never be bored. Cooking with more spices and such. I have> some awesome vegan cookbooks that do just that and I can always substitute> chicken if I want to but what's great about being vegan is that it does> force you to be more creative, at least that's what I found when I was a> vegan. I have regular cookbooks too that I can make healthier options.> > I'm SICK of training like a bodybuilder and not looking like one!!!!!!!> > Okay, thanks for listening!> > Over and out,> > > > >>