rheumy visit

[Guest guest]

I take tylenol once in a while for something, and it does absolutely nothing

for me. It doesn't even work on my headaches. I couldn't imagine having to

take tylenol for RA pain. I take opiates for pain, and sometimes, the pain

is so severe, it will take that along time to work on me.

I hope you start feeling better

-- [ ] Rheumy visit

I saw my rheumy recently. This is the same one that my friend said had

about as much personality as a wall. After seeing him for a few minutes

last time when I saw the Fellow, I agreed that Dr. Wall would be a good

name for him.

I thought that my appointment was with the Fellow again, but he had

already left. He had told me that he might stay on after his fellowship

was over to replace my former wonderful rheumy. The doctor told me that

they begged him to stay, but he took a position back in Kentucky where

he's from. This position requires him to work only four days a week,

and this rheumy sure didn't think much of that. I'm disappointed, too,

because I believe that he will make a good rheumatologist.

But, anyway, this rheumy was quite pleasant and personable. He was

running behind, so I had to wait probably an hour and a half to see

him. But he apologized for the long delay and even explained that it

was due to several factors, one being a patient too sick to be seen in

a short time.

I told him that I had been having pain in my hips and knees, especially

when I'm trying to go to sleep at night. He offered to switch me from

Enbrel to Remicade or Humira. He implied that he could prescribe the

Humira to be injected once a week instead of every two weeks. He told

me to lie on the table; then he took hold of my foot and moved my legs

all about. Of course I was miraculously cured, and I felt no pain at

all. Isn't that always the way of it, the pain leaving when you're at

the doctor's office?

I don't want to be on Remicade, even though he said you didn't have to

be on methotrexate, although my former rheumy said that you do. Since I

live an hour away and my husband has to take me, I don't want to have

to go in for infusions. I'm also not ready to give up on Enbrel, since

it's worked so well for me. I think that the Celebrex is just not

working nearly as well as the Bextra did. He was surprised when I told

him that the Celebrex raises my blood sugar. For that reason, I

wouldn't want to increase it from what I'm taking now, which is 100 mg

twice a day.

So he told me to take, guess what? Tylenol! Arthritis strength Tylenol!

Narcotic drugs would affect my mind or something like that. This was

the only disappointing thing about the visit.

But I'm taking Tylenol at bedtime. And you know what? It doesn't seem

to have an effect on my pain. This I already knew. It doesn't help me

to go to sleep. I take an OTC sleeping pill, and that helps a little

sometimes.

Does anyone else on here take Tylenol, and does it touch your RA pain

at all?

Sue

[Guest guest]

This is very good news (except for your hip and knee pain), Sue! What a

relief.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Rheumy visit

> Hello all,

>

> My visit with the new rheumy went very well today. I told him the

> history of my RA, and he did a thorough examination. I had pretty much

> full range of motion as he put me through the various motions, so he

> could tell how much Enbrel is helping me.

>

> I did complain about hip and knee pain that I've been having lately. He

> thought that the hip pain might not be from RA but maybe could be

> coming from my back. He did offer to order an X-ray, or said I could

> just wait and see how it does. I chose to wait and see for a while

> longer.

>

> He's going to let me continue to get my blood work done here in my town

> every three months and have them fax the results to him. I really like

> getting the labs done BEFORE I see a doctor so that I can discuss them

> when I go in. He did request that I have them do a CRP next time, I

> guess so he can see how much inflammation I have.

>

> I told him I might need a pain pill for the hip pain especially, so he

> prescribed 50 mg Tramadol HCI.

>

> Overall, I was very pleased and think that he's a keeper. It is so

> important to have a good rheumy because they play such a crucial part

> in our well-being.

>

> Sue

[Guest guest]

> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming.  So, not

> sure what to do.  The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months.  Tawny>>>>

>

This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are

becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

Did you ask for more?

Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help

it.

Pris's dime

[Guest guest]

If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

[Guest guest]

Tawny, is your RA diagnosis in doubt at this point?

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] rheumy visit

> If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

[Guest guest]

>

> If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

>

(((((Tawny)))) My heart goes out to you Why does he want you to be off

meds? Is he just being Mean! When I have to have Surgery they take me

off med of 1 wk before and 1 wk after and I know how I feel(: I just can

not even think about being off all my med for 3 months.. Can you find

a differant RA DR.? I know where I live we only have one.. Good luck to

you and I will keep you in my prayes and thoughts

Janet IN IL

[Guest guest]

Hi Tawney, I don't know what your doctor is thinking taking all your RA med

from you. My doctor did this many years ago but I was hospitalized while I

stabilized on a med that he felt was good for me. Did he indicate in any

way what his plan is should you go into a flare? I feel so sorry you are

having to go through all this.

Hugs

June

[Guest guest]

When I went back to my old Rheumy, I told him I was tired of hurting so I

wanted pain meds that will work, not Ultram as the fired Rummy prescribed.

Then I asked him, " At my age, what difference would it make for me to get

addicted? " I can see a possibility for concern if I were under 60, but as I

continue to get older, I feel better because the pain is lessened. Tawny,

this may be a good question for your Rheumy or GP. I think you're in the

neighborhood of 60, aren't you? No offense intended.

Dennis

Re: [ ] rheumy visit

> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>>

>

This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are

becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

Did you ask for more?

Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help

it.

Pris's dime

[Guest guest]

Not sure what is going on. I have never asked for more meds, I take

the meds as prescribed. I am sure not dependant on RA meds, so no

reason for that either, Tawny

>

>

>

> > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming.  So, not

> > sure what to do.  The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. 

Tawny>>>>

> >

>

> This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that

you are

> becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

> Did you ask for more?

> Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you

can help

> it.

> Pris's dime

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet,

and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told

him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in a

lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the Prednisone.

He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for awhile.

I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would see

me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's next,

Tawny

--- In , " " <Matsumura_Clan@...>

wrote:

>

> Tawny, is your RA diagnosis in doubt at this point?

>

>

>

> Not an MD

>

> I'll tell you where to go!

>

> Mayo Clinic in Rochester

> http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

>

> s Hopkins Medicine

> http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

>

>

> [ ] rheumy visit

>

>

> > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't

been

> > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds

for

> > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that

make

> > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So,

not

> > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

Not sure what the doc is up to. Its kind of hard to find a good RA

here in OK. Thanks for the prayers I need them, Tawny

[Guest guest]

June,

He told me if I get bad they would see me right away, thats nice,

huh? Take care, Tawny

>

> Hi Tawney, I don't know what your doctor is thinking taking all

your RA med

> from you. My doctor did this many years ago but I was hospitalized

while I

> stabilized on a med that he felt was good for me. Did he indicate

in any

> way what his plan is should you go into a flare? I feel so sorry

you are

> having to go through all this.

>

> Hugs

> June

>

[Guest guest]

Tawny,

I can understand a rheumatologist taking you off of RA meds if he is

doing

detective work and thinks your meds may be causing other problems.

If your RA meds aren't working anyway, he probably doesn't think you'll

get any worse by taking you off the meds. If you do get worse, maybe

the meds were working better than you thought.

I just wish he didn't decrease

your pain meds during this time. Now you won't know if you're in more

pain

from the pain med decrease or if your other meds were actually working.

Did you ask him why he wanted you off all of your meds? I'm so sorry

you've been going through so much lately. I hope that new grandbaby

keeps your spirits up.

a

On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:07 PM, tdianaok wrote:

> If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I

> I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain.

>

They are afraid of being sued for addicting you. Or losing their licenses.

Sadly, the lawyers are sue crazy (I call them sewers).

I have said it once and will say it again.

Try and hoard your pain meds and never take more than prescribed.

You will find yourself cut off completely.

For some reason, Percodan gives me migraines....

Pris

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, Tawny. Do be sure and go in immediately if you are in a lot of pain

or have significant swelling.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Re: rheumy visit

> Hi ,

>

> That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet,

> and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told

> him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in a

> lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the Prednisone.

> He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for awhile.

> I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would see

> me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's next,

> Tawny

[Guest guest]

I had to giggle a little bit while reading some of these posts, knowing some

struggles I have had with asking for pain medication. In the 10 short years

I have had RA, I have been through 6 RDs and only one would prescribe me

pain killers. Mind you I was diagnosed at 20 and when I began to really

need them Oxycodone was on the news nightly due to abuse. Most just want to

adjust my prednisone. The one who would prescribe pain killers did so by

the bucket full. The first time he prescribed Vicodin, 100 count, but for

whatever reason they did not work and ended up flushing 90 pills down the

toilet. Percocet works for me and at my height was on 6 a day. I always

took them as prescribed but I lost about a week of work when I had to come

off of them because the withdrawal symptoms were horrendous.

Since doctor number 5 accused me of doctor shopping I am afraid to ask for

help for my pain. When I had asked this particular doctor at my first visit

if she could do something more to help my pain, she said she doesn't give

people like me pain pills and that if I need pain pills to go to my family

doctor or a pain clinic. I didn't ask for Percocet, an adjustment in

prednisone or anti inflammatory would have worked.

When I was in the ER this week the releasing doctor asked what I wanted for

pain. Of course, with my experience I looked at him weird and asked him

what he meant. He told me after 10 years of RA, with the degree that I have

it that I have probably been on it all and knows what works best. I told

him the antiinflammatories will not help the pain at this point, Vicoden

doesn't work, Darvocet gives me hallucinations and Percocet has worked in

the past. So he wrote me a script for Percocet.

I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain.

Even if they got rid of all my inflammation, I have so much damage done I

would always have pain. After about dinner time my joints are screaming and

only something stronger can knock it out. So I take Benadryl to knock me

out at night because I don't want to ask a my current RD, after the previous

experience I had.

Shandi

DXed RA 10/95 after I had my son.

Re: [ ] rheumy visit

>

>

>

>

>> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

>> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

>> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>>

>>

>

> This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are

> becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

> Did you ask for more?

> Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help

> it.

> Pris's dime

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharonribbon54sews@...

Hello a & Tawny,

Hi a,

You always tell the truth...wanna be my rheumy? lol

Hi Tawny,

Hang in there, baby...it will get better! {I tell myself that too}

a Papola <a54@...> wrote:

Tawny,

I can understand a rheumatologist taking you off of RA meds if he is

doing

detective work and thinks your meds may be causing other problems.

If your RA meds aren't working anyway, he probably doesn't think you'll

get any worse by taking you off the meds. If you do get worse, maybe

the meds were working better than you thought.

I just wish he didn't decrease

your pain meds during this time. Now you won't know if you're in more

pain

from the pain med decrease or if your other meds were actually working.

Did you ask him why he wanted you off all of your meds? I'm so sorry

you've been going through so much lately. I hope that new grandbaby

keeps your spirits up.

a

On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:07 PM, tdianaok wrote:

> If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a doctor in our area, Pensacola, FL who is in prison with a long

sentence for dispensing drugs. He is a pain specialist. Who knows if he was

actually misusing drugs or not but pain doctors need to dispense pain meds.

That doctor has all the other doctors around here spoofed.

BVan (Betty)

Re: [ ] rheumy visit

I> I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain.

>

They are afraid of being sued for addicting you. Or losing their licenses.

Sadly, the lawyers are sue crazy (I call them sewers).

[Guest guest]

,

I will go if things start going down hill. I am trying to stay

positive right now, and just deal with it, thanks T

--- In , " " <Matsumura_Clan@...>

wrote:

>

> Sorry, Tawny. Do be sure and go in immediately if you are in a lot

of pain

> or have significant swelling.

>

>

>

> Not an MD

>

> I'll tell you where to go!

>

> Mayo Clinic in Rochester

> http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

>

> s Hopkins Medicine

> http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

>

>

> [ ] Re: rheumy visit

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet,

> > and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told

> > him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in

a

> > lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the

Prednisone.

> > He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for

awhile.

> > I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would

see

> > me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's

next,

> > Tawny

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dennis,

That is a very good question to ask the doctor. I took Ultram for

awhile, and it was like candy, so I understand how you feel on that

pain med, if that is what someone would call it. I am 43, but feel

100 some days,lol Thanks for the advice Dennis, I will keep it under

my hat for the next visit, Tawny

>

> When I went back to my old Rheumy, I told him I was tired of

hurting so I

> wanted pain meds that will work, not Ultram as the fired Rummy

prescribed.

> Then I asked him, " At my age, what difference would it make for me

to get

> addicted? " I can see a possibility for concern if I were under 60,

but as I

> continue to get older, I feel better because the pain is lessened.

Tawny,

> this may be a good question for your Rheumy or GP. I think you're

in the

> neighborhood of 60, aren't you? No offense intended.

>

> Dennis

>

> Re: [ ] rheumy visit

>

>

>

>

> > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months.

Tawny>>>>

> >

>

> This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that

you are

> becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

> Did you ask for more?

> Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you

can help

> it.

> Pris's dime

>

[Guest guest]

Shandi,

You have been through a LOT with docs, that's for sure. I just don't

understand why it has to be this tough. Don't they understand how

tough are life is each day, and we rely on meds to help us LIVE?

Just so unfair, and I know its just going to get worse. Thanks for

sharing your story, Tawny

>

> I had to giggle a little bit while reading some of these posts,

knowing some

> struggles I have had with asking for pain medication. In the 10

short years

> I have had RA, I have been through 6 RDs and only one would

prescribe me

> pain killers. Mind you I was diagnosed at 20 and when I began to

really

> need them Oxycodone was on the news nightly due to abuse. Most

just want to

> adjust my prednisone. The one who would prescribe pain killers did

so by

> the bucket full. The first time he prescribed Vicodin, 100 count,

but for

> whatever reason they did not work and ended up flushing 90 pills

down the

> toilet. Percocet works for me and at my height was on 6 a day. I

always

> took them as prescribed but I lost about a week of work when I had

to come

> off of them because the withdrawal symptoms were horrendous.

>

> Since doctor number 5 accused me of doctor shopping I am afraid to

ask for

> help for my pain. When I had asked this particular doctor at my

first visit

> if she could do something more to help my pain, she said she

doesn't give

> people like me pain pills and that if I need pain pills to go to my

family

> doctor or a pain clinic. I didn't ask for Percocet, an adjustment

in

> prednisone or anti inflammatory would have worked.

>

> When I was in the ER this week the releasing doctor asked what I

wanted for

> pain. Of course, with my experience I looked at him weird and

asked him

> what he meant. He told me after 10 years of RA, with the degree

that I have

> it that I have probably been on it all and knows what works best.

I told

> him the antiinflammatories will not help the pain at this point,

Vicoden

> doesn't work, Darvocet gives me hallucinations and Percocet has

worked in

> the past. So he wrote me a script for Percocet.

>

> I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat

the pain.

> Even if they got rid of all my inflammation, I have so much damage

done I

> would always have pain. After about dinner time my joints are

screaming and

> only something stronger can knock it out. So I take Benadryl to

knock me

> out at night because I don't want to ask a my current RD, after the

previous

> experience I had.

>

> Shandi

> DXed RA 10/95 after I had my son.

> Re: [ ] rheumy visit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not

> >> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> >> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months.

Tawny>>>>

> >>

> >

> > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that

you are

> > becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes).

> > Did you ask for more?

> > Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you

can help

> > it.

> > Pris's dime

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

a,

It does seem like he is playing detective. He told me before he

didn't really want to put me on any kind of RA meds because of the

liver. I am trying to stay positive, and hope for the best. T

>

> > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So,

not

> > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

a,

The grandbaby is SO good for me! She is so beautiful, and I am

spoiling her SO bad, love it!!!! Thanks Tawny

>

> > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So,

not

> > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon, T

>

> > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So,

not

> > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

---oh dear tawny

i wish you well of course but unless you start to think with a more

open mind and be willing to try a few things -- i feel there could

be much suffering your way .

please dont get angry when i share this with you --

Chapter 1 challenging

Let me pose this as a question to you for answering it will reveal a

lot about health care systems and how they have evolved .and what

are the implications to us and our health. This is the question.

Why are you being recommended the healing route which is being

offered to you.

Another point that is to be made very clear here this is just not me

saying this but also thousands of doctors, therapists all over the

world who are moving to a more holistic kind of approach in dealing

with illness and many are only to aware of the health care systems

which are in place now and how they evolved. Another point I am

making crystal clear some of the therapies offered to you maybe

quite effective also. But that is not to say they are the best or

cannot be improved upon substantially. And as you will know and see

there are some really big limitations which these principles will

uncover. As I see it these principles are irrefutable until the day

comes where research is done in an objective way funded by a party

with no interests but one and that is for the good of the patient

with results published good, bad, or indifferent.

Drugs and other treatments

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment. At present the

system in England and in many countries is this.

Point 1

All treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested

and approved and quite rightly so. I am sure we would all want that.

Point 2

Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments

because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent

litigation costing millions of pounds.

Point 3

Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? Does

the government fund much research into health care and what is its

agenda- a little yes but in comparison to drug companies the sums

are very small.

So by far the biggest source of money going into research is the

drug companies.

Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the

main they are there to make profit.

What do you think the implications of that statement means. Well as

we speak there are already groups of people begging companies to

find a drug to deal with all sorts of problems .A lot of these

groups are turned down because there is not enough of them suffering

to justify the cost of research.

Also take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments which show a potential for profit will

even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit,

not for serving the people.

So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved.

These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition,

EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light

therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone

therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal

healing, fume baths,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt packs,

herbs Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy,

Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic

devices, Electrical Frequency devices and so on .

And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended by

your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do

have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless

operations, needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma,

needless kidney failures and much loss of life.

Point 4

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he

is very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people

per day. That means he cannot do research, he finds it very

difficult to keep up with what is going on in the main. He is told

what to prescribe. He does not in may cases have the time often to

look at research.

He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for

recommending alternative medicine, some doctors of course ignore

those pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing other

therapies than the norm.

In the year 2004 approx. 5000 Beds in the UK alone are being taken

up by people who have had reactions to drugs.

Some will die others will be maimed. That is fact.

So Mr and Mrs to answer the question posed this is why are

you being recommended the healing route which is being offered to

you .

Point 5

This is what we are calling for when the day comes when most of the

research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests

attached and a clear agenda of being objective. Perhaps there will

from this little book a group of people form and act as a pressure

group to force our governments to act for the interests of the

people. To fund research with researchers who are objective. Make no

mistake about it we are talking about billions of pounds being

jeopardised here or being spent in another direction and there is a

lot of people who would not like that to happen I assure you.

There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even

go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially

if it is going to affect their profits.

Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000

pounds each per year

Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it

out .

That is around 10 million pounds

Then an invention comes along and hey presto we can get them well in

just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid

Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are

you on jack?

Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of rife the

gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including

scientist of the year award twice.

Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with

frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic

signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter

by the use of some peoples voices.

These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or

this entire discovery included:

E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic),

Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae

Inoue (Japan), s Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany),

Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.),

T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines,

Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor

. and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics).

But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett

Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work.

Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank , president of the

Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours

before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that

Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study

supervised by the University of Southern California.

Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from

Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his

lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal

dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank 's murder, threats,

other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife

at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall,

Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical

School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a

bribe?

Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found

the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in

August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in

Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal

of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and

animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the

discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian

Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International

Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of

a microbial cause for cancer.

When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers-

Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory

were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind-

the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer

industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause

of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly

thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of

billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these

scum will not do for their god money? No

And it does not stop there Walsh head of the cayce center in

Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the

recommendations of Edgar cayce, osteopathic adjustments by the way

were done .

Naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so

that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going

to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it. But just as he

was about to speak, he was stopped and the only reason says is

that the organizers realized that if this information got out it

could mean the end of their society.

Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of

microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a

greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food

cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A

gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his

ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human

rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the

right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay

compensation.

Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar

Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the

Rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS, Parkinsons,

Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of

groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including

support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national

societies were contacted as well.

These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for

the treatment, support and research on M.S. The response from

thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest

despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear

evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the

Edgar cayce therapies.

The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is

located in Derby England, Edgar Cayce gave a couple of readings on

this problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including

letters to the chairman not one person came back to me.

I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the

Internet and only a very few were interested. The others did not

even reply.

Information from Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing,

and e mailing to many National associations and support groups again

with very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the

discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye

hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried

Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even

tried writing and e mailing to Baker chairman of the

Parkinson's society in England, she did not even reply. National

organisations were contacted and support groups, the results only

about 5% showed any interest at all. Their reasons can only be

guessed at but when people make claims with clear mission statements

for the alleviation of suffering and don't even bother to enquire or

to look into promising information I put it to you that these

organisations- a lot of charities are diddling the public.

The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do

anything to protect their interests. Much apathy reigns that is

until the day comes to people where illness happens to them, then

perhaps there is much more interest shown.

Well that point covered we now can move on to a much more positive

approach in dealing with illness and depression specifically.

phil

In , " tdianaok " <tdianaok@...> wrote:

>

> If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the

> rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been

> working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for

> three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make

> sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So,

not

> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds,

so I

> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny

>