Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I take tylenol once in a while for something, and it does absolutely nothing for me. It doesn't even work on my headaches. I couldn't imagine having to take tylenol for RA pain. I take opiates for pain, and sometimes, the pain is so severe, it will take that along time to work on me. I hope you start feeling better -- [ ] Rheumy visit I saw my rheumy recently. This is the same one that my friend said had about as much personality as a wall. After seeing him for a few minutes last time when I saw the Fellow, I agreed that Dr. Wall would be a good name for him. I thought that my appointment was with the Fellow again, but he had already left. He had told me that he might stay on after his fellowship was over to replace my former wonderful rheumy. The doctor told me that they begged him to stay, but he took a position back in Kentucky where he's from. This position requires him to work only four days a week, and this rheumy sure didn't think much of that. I'm disappointed, too, because I believe that he will make a good rheumatologist. But, anyway, this rheumy was quite pleasant and personable. He was running behind, so I had to wait probably an hour and a half to see him. But he apologized for the long delay and even explained that it was due to several factors, one being a patient too sick to be seen in a short time. I told him that I had been having pain in my hips and knees, especially when I'm trying to go to sleep at night. He offered to switch me from Enbrel to Remicade or Humira. He implied that he could prescribe the Humira to be injected once a week instead of every two weeks. He told me to lie on the table; then he took hold of my foot and moved my legs all about. Of course I was miraculously cured, and I felt no pain at all. Isn't that always the way of it, the pain leaving when you're at the doctor's office? I don't want to be on Remicade, even though he said you didn't have to be on methotrexate, although my former rheumy said that you do. Since I live an hour away and my husband has to take me, I don't want to have to go in for infusions. I'm also not ready to give up on Enbrel, since it's worked so well for me. I think that the Celebrex is just not working nearly as well as the Bextra did. He was surprised when I told him that the Celebrex raises my blood sugar. For that reason, I wouldn't want to increase it from what I'm taking now, which is 100 mg twice a day. So he told me to take, guess what? Tylenol! Arthritis strength Tylenol! Narcotic drugs would affect my mind or something like that. This was the only disappointing thing about the visit. But I'm taking Tylenol at bedtime. And you know what? It doesn't seem to have an effect on my pain. This I already knew. It doesn't help me to go to sleep. I take an OTC sleeping pill, and that helps a little sometimes. Does anyone else on here take Tylenol, and does it touch your RA pain at all? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 This is very good news (except for your hip and knee pain), Sue! What a relief. Not an MD I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org [ ] Rheumy visit > Hello all, > > My visit with the new rheumy went very well today. I told him the > history of my RA, and he did a thorough examination. I had pretty much > full range of motion as he put me through the various motions, so he > could tell how much Enbrel is helping me. > > I did complain about hip and knee pain that I've been having lately. He > thought that the hip pain might not be from RA but maybe could be > coming from my back. He did offer to order an X-ray, or said I could > just wait and see how it does. I chose to wait and see for a while > longer. > > He's going to let me continue to get my blood work done here in my town > every three months and have them fax the results to him. I really like > getting the labs done BEFORE I see a doctor so that I can discuss them > when I go in. He did request that I have them do a CRP next time, I > guess so he can see how much inflammation I have. > > I told him I might need a pain pill for the hip pain especially, so he > prescribed 50 mg Tramadol HCI. > > Overall, I was very pleased and think that he's a keeper. It is so > important to have a good rheumy because they play such a crucial part > in our well-being. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). Did you ask for more? Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help it. Pris's dime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Tawny, is your RA diagnosis in doubt at this point? Not an MD I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org [ ] rheumy visit > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > (((((Tawny)))) My heart goes out to you Why does he want you to be off meds? Is he just being Mean! When I have to have Surgery they take me off med of 1 wk before and 1 wk after and I know how I feel(: I just can not even think about being off all my med for 3 months.. Can you find a differant RA DR.? I know where I live we only have one.. Good luck to you and I will keep you in my prayes and thoughts Janet IN IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Hi Tawney, I don't know what your doctor is thinking taking all your RA med from you. My doctor did this many years ago but I was hospitalized while I stabilized on a med that he felt was good for me. Did he indicate in any way what his plan is should you go into a flare? I feel so sorry you are having to go through all this. Hugs June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 When I went back to my old Rheumy, I told him I was tired of hurting so I wanted pain meds that will work, not Ultram as the fired Rummy prescribed. Then I asked him, " At my age, what difference would it make for me to get addicted? " I can see a possibility for concern if I were under 60, but as I continue to get older, I feel better because the pain is lessened. Tawny, this may be a good question for your Rheumy or GP. I think you're in the neighborhood of 60, aren't you? No offense intended. Dennis Re: [ ] rheumy visit > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). Did you ask for more? Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help it. Pris's dime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Not sure what is going on. I have never asked for more meds, I take the meds as prescribed. I am sure not dependant on RA meds, so no reason for that either, Tawny > > > > > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> > > > > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are > becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). > Did you ask for more? > Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help > it. > Pris's dime > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Hi , That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet, and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in a lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the Prednisone. He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for awhile. I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would see me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's next, Tawny --- In , " " <Matsumura_Clan@...> wrote: > > Tawny, is your RA diagnosis in doubt at this point? > > > > Not an MD > > I'll tell you where to go! > > Mayo Clinic in Rochester > http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester > > s Hopkins Medicine > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org > > > [ ] rheumy visit > > > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Janet, Not sure what the doc is up to. Its kind of hard to find a good RA here in OK. Thanks for the prayers I need them, Tawny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 June, He told me if I get bad they would see me right away, thats nice, huh? Take care, Tawny > > Hi Tawney, I don't know what your doctor is thinking taking all your RA med > from you. My doctor did this many years ago but I was hospitalized while I > stabilized on a med that he felt was good for me. Did he indicate in any > way what his plan is should you go into a flare? I feel so sorry you are > having to go through all this. > > Hugs > June > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Tawny, I can understand a rheumatologist taking you off of RA meds if he is doing detective work and thinks your meds may be causing other problems. If your RA meds aren't working anyway, he probably doesn't think you'll get any worse by taking you off the meds. If you do get worse, maybe the meds were working better than you thought. I just wish he didn't decrease your pain meds during this time. Now you won't know if you're in more pain from the pain med decrease or if your other meds were actually working. Did you ask him why he wanted you off all of your meds? I'm so sorry you've been going through so much lately. I hope that new grandbaby keeps your spirits up. a On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:07 PM, tdianaok wrote: > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I > I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain. > They are afraid of being sued for addicting you. Or losing their licenses. Sadly, the lawyers are sue crazy (I call them sewers). I have said it once and will say it again. Try and hoard your pain meds and never take more than prescribed. You will find yourself cut off completely. For some reason, Percodan gives me migraines.... Pris " Potbellied Pig Behavior and Training book " ON SALE at AMAZON! Go to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1930580746/qid=1143858114/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2\ _1/102-1865641-5374532?s=books & v==glance & n==283155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Sorry, Tawny. Do be sure and go in immediately if you are in a lot of pain or have significant swelling. Not an MD I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org [ ] Re: rheumy visit > Hi , > > That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet, > and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told > him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in a > lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the Prednisone. > He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for awhile. > I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would see > me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's next, > Tawny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I had to giggle a little bit while reading some of these posts, knowing some struggles I have had with asking for pain medication. In the 10 short years I have had RA, I have been through 6 RDs and only one would prescribe me pain killers. Mind you I was diagnosed at 20 and when I began to really need them Oxycodone was on the news nightly due to abuse. Most just want to adjust my prednisone. The one who would prescribe pain killers did so by the bucket full. The first time he prescribed Vicodin, 100 count, but for whatever reason they did not work and ended up flushing 90 pills down the toilet. Percocet works for me and at my height was on 6 a day. I always took them as prescribed but I lost about a week of work when I had to come off of them because the withdrawal symptoms were horrendous. Since doctor number 5 accused me of doctor shopping I am afraid to ask for help for my pain. When I had asked this particular doctor at my first visit if she could do something more to help my pain, she said she doesn't give people like me pain pills and that if I need pain pills to go to my family doctor or a pain clinic. I didn't ask for Percocet, an adjustment in prednisone or anti inflammatory would have worked. When I was in the ER this week the releasing doctor asked what I wanted for pain. Of course, with my experience I looked at him weird and asked him what he meant. He told me after 10 years of RA, with the degree that I have it that I have probably been on it all and knows what works best. I told him the antiinflammatories will not help the pain at this point, Vicoden doesn't work, Darvocet gives me hallucinations and Percocet has worked in the past. So he wrote me a script for Percocet. I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain. Even if they got rid of all my inflammation, I have so much damage done I would always have pain. After about dinner time my joints are screaming and only something stronger can knock it out. So I take Benadryl to knock me out at night because I don't want to ask a my current RD, after the previous experience I had. Shandi DXed RA 10/95 after I had my son. Re: [ ] rheumy visit > > > > >> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not >> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I >> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> >> > > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are > becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). > Did you ask for more? > Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help > it. > Pris's dime > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Sharonribbon54sews@... Hello a & Tawny, Hi a, You always tell the truth...wanna be my rheumy? lol Hi Tawny, Hang in there, baby...it will get better! {I tell myself that too} a Papola <a54@...> wrote: Tawny, I can understand a rheumatologist taking you off of RA meds if he is doing detective work and thinks your meds may be causing other problems. If your RA meds aren't working anyway, he probably doesn't think you'll get any worse by taking you off the meds. If you do get worse, maybe the meds were working better than you thought. I just wish he didn't decrease your pain meds during this time. Now you won't know if you're in more pain from the pain med decrease or if your other meds were actually working. Did you ask him why he wanted you off all of your meds? I'm so sorry you've been going through so much lately. I hope that new grandbaby keeps your spirits up. a On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:07 PM, tdianaok wrote: > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 There is a doctor in our area, Pensacola, FL who is in prison with a long sentence for dispensing drugs. He is a pain specialist. Who knows if he was actually misusing drugs or not but pain doctors need to dispense pain meds. That doctor has all the other doctors around here spoofed. BVan (Betty) Re: [ ] rheumy visit I> I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain. > They are afraid of being sued for addicting you. Or losing their licenses. Sadly, the lawyers are sue crazy (I call them sewers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 , I will go if things start going down hill. I am trying to stay positive right now, and just deal with it, thanks T --- In , " " <Matsumura_Clan@...> wrote: > > Sorry, Tawny. Do be sure and go in immediately if you are in a lot of pain > or have significant swelling. > > > > Not an MD > > I'll tell you where to go! > > Mayo Clinic in Rochester > http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester > > s Hopkins Medicine > http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org > > > [ ] Re: rheumy visit > > > > Hi , > > > > That is what it looks like to me. He looked at my hands and feet, > > and all that stuff. He then asked me about the Plaquenil. I told > > him I didn't think it was really working anymore. I have been in a > > lot of pain(flaring.) He is the one that prescribed the Prednisone. > > He then just told me I was going to stay off the RA meds for awhile. > > I could come back in 3 months, unless I got bad, and they would see > > me right away. Oh, and lower the Lortab. So, not sure what's next, > > Tawny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi Dennis, That is a very good question to ask the doctor. I took Ultram for awhile, and it was like candy, so I understand how you feel on that pain med, if that is what someone would call it. I am 43, but feel 100 some days,lol Thanks for the advice Dennis, I will keep it under my hat for the next visit, Tawny > > When I went back to my old Rheumy, I told him I was tired of hurting so I > wanted pain meds that will work, not Ultram as the fired Rummy prescribed. > Then I asked him, " At my age, what difference would it make for me to get > addicted? " I can see a possibility for concern if I were under 60, but as I > continue to get older, I feel better because the pain is lessened. Tawny, > this may be a good question for your Rheumy or GP. I think you're in the > neighborhood of 60, aren't you? No offense intended. > > Dennis > > Re: [ ] rheumy visit > > > > > > He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> > > > > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are > becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). > Did you ask for more? > Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help > it. > Pris's dime > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Shandi, You have been through a LOT with docs, that's for sure. I just don't understand why it has to be this tough. Don't they understand how tough are life is each day, and we rely on meds to help us LIVE? Just so unfair, and I know its just going to get worse. Thanks for sharing your story, Tawny > > I had to giggle a little bit while reading some of these posts, knowing some > struggles I have had with asking for pain medication. In the 10 short years > I have had RA, I have been through 6 RDs and only one would prescribe me > pain killers. Mind you I was diagnosed at 20 and when I began to really > need them Oxycodone was on the news nightly due to abuse. Most just want to > adjust my prednisone. The one who would prescribe pain killers did so by > the bucket full. The first time he prescribed Vicodin, 100 count, but for > whatever reason they did not work and ended up flushing 90 pills down the > toilet. Percocet works for me and at my height was on 6 a day. I always > took them as prescribed but I lost about a week of work when I had to come > off of them because the withdrawal symptoms were horrendous. > > Since doctor number 5 accused me of doctor shopping I am afraid to ask for > help for my pain. When I had asked this particular doctor at my first visit > if she could do something more to help my pain, she said she doesn't give > people like me pain pills and that if I need pain pills to go to my family > doctor or a pain clinic. I didn't ask for Percocet, an adjustment in > prednisone or anti inflammatory would have worked. > > When I was in the ER this week the releasing doctor asked what I wanted for > pain. Of course, with my experience I looked at him weird and asked him > what he meant. He told me after 10 years of RA, with the degree that I have > it that I have probably been on it all and knows what works best. I told > him the antiinflammatories will not help the pain at this point, Vicoden > doesn't work, Darvocet gives me hallucinations and Percocet has worked in > the past. So he wrote me a script for Percocet. > > I don't understand many of these doctors who are afriad to treat the pain. > Even if they got rid of all my inflammation, I have so much damage done I > would always have pain. After about dinner time my joints are screaming and > only something stronger can knock it out. So I take Benadryl to knock me > out at night because I don't want to ask a my current RD, after the previous > experience I had. > > Shandi > DXed RA 10/95 after I had my son. > Re: [ ] rheumy visit > > > > > > > > > >> He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > >> sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > >> am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny>>>> > >> > > > > This sucks. The only reason I can think of for doing is it that you are > > becoming dependent on Lortab (in his eyes). > > Did you ask for more? > > Always hoard pain medications....and never ask for them, if you can help > > it. > > Pris's dime > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 a, It does seem like he is playing detective. He told me before he didn't really want to put me on any kind of RA meds because of the liver. I am trying to stay positive, and hope for the best. T > > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 a, The grandbaby is SO good for me! She is so beautiful, and I am spoiling her SO bad, love it!!!! Thanks Tawny > > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Thanks Sharon, T > > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 ---oh dear tawny i wish you well of course but unless you start to think with a more open mind and be willing to try a few things -- i feel there could be much suffering your way . please dont get angry when i share this with you -- Chapter 1 challenging Let me pose this as a question to you for answering it will reveal a lot about health care systems and how they have evolved .and what are the implications to us and our health. This is the question. Why are you being recommended the healing route which is being offered to you. Another point that is to be made very clear here this is just not me saying this but also thousands of doctors, therapists all over the world who are moving to a more holistic kind of approach in dealing with illness and many are only to aware of the health care systems which are in place now and how they evolved. Another point I am making crystal clear some of the therapies offered to you maybe quite effective also. But that is not to say they are the best or cannot be improved upon substantially. And as you will know and see there are some really big limitations which these principles will uncover. As I see it these principles are irrefutable until the day comes where research is done in an objective way funded by a party with no interests but one and that is for the good of the patient with results published good, bad, or indifferent. Drugs and other treatments There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on the subject of drugs and research and treatment. At present the system in England and in many countries is this. Point 1 All treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested and approved and quite rightly so. I am sure we would all want that. Point 2 Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation costing millions of pounds. Point 3 Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? Does the government fund much research into health care and what is its agenda- a little yes but in comparison to drug companies the sums are very small. So by far the biggest source of money going into research is the drug companies. Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the main they are there to make profit. What do you think the implications of that statement means. Well as we speak there are already groups of people begging companies to find a drug to deal with all sorts of problems .A lot of these groups are turned down because there is not enough of them suffering to justify the cost of research. Also take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves to know more –right, you could not be more wrong. By and large only treatments which show a potential for profit will even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the people. So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no profit potential do not get approved. These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition, EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal healing, fume baths,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt packs, herbs Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices, Electrical Frequency devices and so on . And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended by your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless operations, needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of life. Point 4 Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he is very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people per day. That means he cannot do research, he finds it very difficult to keep up with what is going on in the main. He is told what to prescribe. He does not in may cases have the time often to look at research. He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for recommending alternative medicine, some doctors of course ignore those pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing other therapies than the norm. In the year 2004 approx. 5000 Beds in the UK alone are being taken up by people who have had reactions to drugs. Some will die others will be maimed. That is fact. So Mr and Mrs to answer the question posed this is why are you being recommended the healing route which is being offered to you . Point 5 This is what we are calling for when the day comes when most of the research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests attached and a clear agenda of being objective. Perhaps there will from this little book a group of people form and act as a pressure group to force our governments to act for the interests of the people. To fund research with researchers who are objective. Make no mistake about it we are talking about billions of pounds being jeopardised here or being spent in another direction and there is a lot of people who would not like that to happen I assure you. There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially if it is going to affect their profits. Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000 pounds each per year Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it out . That is around 10 million pounds Then an invention comes along and hey presto we can get them well in just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are you on jack? Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of rife the gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including scientist of the year award twice. Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter by the use of some peoples voices. These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or this entire discovery included: E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic), Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae Inoue (Japan), s Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany), Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.), T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines, Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor . and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics). But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work. Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank , president of the Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study supervised by the University of Southern California. Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank 's murder, threats, other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall, Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a bribe? Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of a microbial cause for cancer. When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers- Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind- the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these scum will not do for their god money? No And it does not stop there Walsh head of the cayce center in Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the recommendations of Edgar cayce, osteopathic adjustments by the way were done . Naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it. But just as he was about to speak, he was stopped and the only reason says is that the organizers realized that if this information got out it could mean the end of their society. Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay compensation. Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the Rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS, Parkinsons, Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national societies were contacted as well. These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for the treatment, support and research on M.S. The response from thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the Edgar cayce therapies. The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is located in Derby England, Edgar Cayce gave a couple of readings on this problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including letters to the chairman not one person came back to me. I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the Internet and only a very few were interested. The others did not even reply. Information from Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing, and e mailing to many National associations and support groups again with very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even tried writing and e mailing to Baker chairman of the Parkinson's society in England, she did not even reply. National organisations were contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed any interest at all. Their reasons can only be guessed at but when people make claims with clear mission statements for the alleviation of suffering and don't even bother to enquire or to look into promising information I put it to you that these organisations- a lot of charities are diddling the public. The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do anything to protect their interests. Much apathy reigns that is until the day comes to people where illness happens to them, then perhaps there is much more interest shown. Well that point covered we now can move on to a much more positive approach in dealing with illness and depression specifically. phil In , " tdianaok " <tdianaok@...> wrote: > > If I didn't think it could get any worse, it did! I went to the > rheumy today, and we talked about meds. The Plaquenil hasn't been > working, so he took me off it. Took me completely off RA meds for > three months. He wants to monitor my inflammation, does that make > sense? He also lowered my Lortab saying its habit forming. So, not > sure what to do. The only way for me to keep going is the meds, so I > am not sure how my life will go for the next three months. Tawny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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