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Judy,

My son wasn't diagnosed with ASD until he was 9. I don't think it is ever

too late to udnerstand what is going on with your child and try to change

things. For me, personally, I read much more about autism these days than

DS. Most of the same types of interventions used with kids with autism are

used with kids with DS/autism. There are many areas to look at: How well can

she communicate? Does she have a communication system in place if she cannot

speak her thoughts? Does she have alot sensory issues? If so, have you

worked with an OT to try to put a sensory integration program in place. Does

she have many problem behaviors that make it difficult for you to take her

places or for her to be at school? If so, does everyone on board understand

why she may be having those difficulties and is there a plan in place that is

helping alleviate those. Medication may help. There are many medications

that have helped the children on this list but from what I hear, it is really

on a try and see basis...no child is the same. Joan posted a good website a

few weeks ago on ASD. It covers all the basis and would be a great place to

start: Go to: www.autism-society.org/packages.html

Lauri

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Thanks Lauri...I will check out that web page. Sara being blind adds another

mix into the pot but I had the blind school here for 2 days to assess her and

they think her " odd behavior " has nothing to do with the blindness...so we

are on the road of elimination.

Judy

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Thanks, Leah....I'm hanging, but very frustrated with the system, I should

have trusted my instincts...My Sara used to talk and write her name and read

but all that is gone and she is further disappearing...at the rate we're

going won't be much left...most people thought I pushed her too much and

needed to leave her be...but not a chance...I'll be her pain in the butt till

the end...she can fool them but I know she's still in there.

Judy

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In a message dated 3/8/01 9:53:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< My Sara is 15 and just diag. with ds/autism (although I suspected it for

years) nice to have it confirmed. My question is now that we are all on the

same page what can we do different? Are educational stategies different than

that for just a downs child, are other interventions available or

appropriate, medications helpful?, neurologist?, specialists and what kind,

behavior interventions?.

My biggest concern is that over the last 5 years she has lost a lot of

skills

and we can't get her to join " our world " , doesn't really have any motivation

and could care less about the family or what is happening around her. Do we

just accept this new diag. as an explanation for her odd behavior or " come

at

it with all we got? " 15 is a little late to be getting into the game.

Judy >>

Hi Judy,

Well, I say better late than never, right!! I don't know if I have any

professional opinion to back my take on this, but I would guess that the same

techniques we use on kids who are younger would have some benefit. If it

were me, Heck, I'd still be willing to take a shot at it. For instance, at

my daughter's school, there are older kids in classrooms for autism and they

use the ABA method (applied behavioral anaylsis). There's also Floortime,

and sensory integration, PECS and the TEACCH program. We've done and and

are doing all of the above, except for TEACCH. If you go to the ds/aut

page, you'll find lots of information on these type of treatments. You

should read Joan's D/S issue on DS/ASD too. Also, there's plenty of info

right here. Lots of the kids on this list are on meds and can offer you

advice in that area as well. My daughter (Maddie, 7, DS/ASD) sounds much

like yours in that she prefers to be left alone in her own world. The

Floortime method really helped open her to our world, and now we're seeing

fabulous results from ABA.

I'm looking forward to hearing more about your daughter and your family.

Donna

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In a message dated 3/8/01 11:07:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mashawnag@... writes:

<< getting him the strings, i found them hiding in his socks--one was hanging

out alittle, >>

Cracking me up!!!! LOL Wonder where he will hide them next? LOL The

possibilities are endless! LOL

Gail

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In a message dated 3/8/01 9:53:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< 15 is a little late to be getting into the game.

Judy >>

Judy,

It's never too late for anything in life. Look at the 80 year olds going to

college! I'm 47 and learn something new every day. With all you have done,

this is small potatoes! LOL

Gail

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judy,

this is just my personal opinion, which you will find i hold nothing back

and state my beliefs full of passion....:-)my *baby* is almost ten years old

and i didnt get a diagnosis until this year,,,,,ashton is just now doing

things which i had given up on....i always have pushed for her to great

things, but was feeling in a rut and was coming to accept that she would

never write her name,verbally respond, have real friends, learn to read and

enjoy words, comprehend money and be able to shop on her own.... DON'T GIVE

UP!!!!!!! after a major drug change and major restructuring of our home and

class placement change, ashton is writing her name, she is doing basic math

with manipulatives and doing some reading.... but we have to take the

backdoor approach with her...if she thinks she is Working,

forgetit....everything has to be a game or be her idea...we are not even

able to say the " W " word(work) at home or school, she freaks out like a bee

is stuck in her pants....heehehe i am not trying to brag,(maybe a little)

but everyone of us on this list has felt like giving up and even

contemplated out of home placement for the moms, leave the kids and dh to

fend....lolo but i just want you to know your not alone and there is hope,

it just takes a long timeto get there...i am searching still every day for

straws to grasp at and new creative things to further push her to reach for

the sky....she is still a pain in the butt on most days, but i do believe

that it's genetic from her mother....lolol hang in there and please feel

your amongst friends for life.... welcome to you and sara.... tc leah

mom to ashton 9-ds-pdd-my angel with crooked wings

and cameron 5-full of energy and handsome as a prince

>From: Judithrehling@...

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:44:28 EST

>

>My Sara is 15 and just diag. with ds/autism (although I suspected it for

>years) nice to have it confirmed. My question is now that we are all on

>the

>same page what can we do different? Are educational stategies different

>than

>that for just a downs child, are other interventions available or

>appropriate, medications helpful?, neurologist?, specialists and what kind,

>behavior interventions?.

>My biggest concern is that over the last 5 years she has lost a lot of

>skills

>and we can't get her to join " our world " , doesn't really have any

>motivation

>and could care less about the family or what is happening around her. Do

>we

>just accept this new diag. as an explanation for her odd behavior or " come

>at

>it with all we got? " 15 is a little late to be getting into the game.

>Judy

>

>

>

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kathy,

she is on seroquel...it's in the risperadol family but doesnt seem to cause

the weightgain as much.... but its not only the meds, don't get me wrong

they are great, but we restructured....i used to let her watch disney movies

all day if she wanted, i don't know what i was thinking, but she became

grossly addicted to them...couldn't go to walmart without her falling out in

the floor playing wet noodle over a dang disney movie...what a sight that

was to see... and metrying to carry her 80 lb butt outta there...lmao we

have schedules and we pretty much follow those.. i use pictures everywhere

and i make her responsible for her actions and give her chores and jobs to

earn her movies... i also have no time for myself anymore because we engage

from the minute she is off the bus until she falls asleep....but the work

has paid off...me and her teacher gang up on her and double the work for

her...she hides her homework folder under the bus seat...hehehe what a

turkey.... it has been hard on me as a mom because i am not organized, buti

have to be now and its a pain in the butt,,,,but seeing her shine and have

color in her life for the first time in a longtime isworth the

sacrifices...hope this helps....take care,leah

>From: KSheri0422@...

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>To: < >

>Subject: Re: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:29:54 EST

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>Ashton sounds like she's doing really well. What drugs is she currently on

>that are helping her so much?

>

>Keep up the good work!

>

>Kathy

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i dont think its ever to late for someone to learn, welcome to the group,

everyone is very supportive and helpful here, All our kids have different

levels of functioning and ofcourse different IEP's your childs should be

written according to her needs and goals that are realistic for her. As for

behavior that is another thing we all deal with some use meds some use

therapy many use both together, as we do, right now my son nathan 9yrs

w/ds,pdd,add/hd,ocd etc, is on Ritalin for is hyperactivity, which has

helped greatly calming him down cuts down on the SIB too, and he is also on

luvox for OCD but hasnt really helped with that, but has bettered his mood

greatly we have tried many meds along with biobehavior therapy, we will be

doing another inpatient behavior modification program next week along with

his many othher usual appointments.All i can say is you are at the right

place, everyone is very helpful here, its like home away from home. shawna.

>From: Judithrehling@...

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:44:28 EST

>

>My Sara is 15 and just diag. with ds/autism (although I suspected it for

>years) nice to have it confirmed. My question is now that we are all on

>the

>same page what can we do different? Are educational stategies different

>than

>that for just a downs child, are other interventions available or

>appropriate, medications helpful?, neurologist?, specialists and what kind,

>behavior interventions?.

>My biggest concern is that over the last 5 years she has lost a lot of

>skills

>and we can't get her to join " our world " , doesn't really have any

>motivation

>and could care less about the family or what is happening around her. Do

>we

>just accept this new diag. as an explanation for her odd behavior or " come

>at

>it with all we got? " 15 is a little late to be getting into the game.

>Judy

>

>

>

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>her...she hides her homework folder under the bus seat...hehehe what a

>turkey....

lol, arnet our kids little geneusis,lol nathan isnt allowed to take any of

his strings to school anymore and after he figured out the tantrums werent

getting him the strings, i found them hiding in his socks--one was hanging

out alittle, now to aleviate the morning tantrum i let him put them in his

pocket again but while he is occupied taking his coat off and talking to his

aid, i picpocket them, but today, he had mr freeze action figure in there,

he cought on to that, but was easily redireted. shawna.

>

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>Subject: Re: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:41:49 -0500

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>kathy,

>she is on seroquel...it's in the risperadol family but doesnt seem to cause

>the weightgain as much.... but its not only the meds, don't get me wrong

>they are great, but we restructured....i used to let her watch disney

>movies

>all day if she wanted, i don't know what i was thinking, but she became

>grossly addicted to them...couldn't go to walmart without her falling out

>in

>the floor playing wet noodle over a dang disney movie...what a sight that

>was to see... and metrying to carry her 80 lb butt outta there...lmao we

>have schedules and we pretty much follow those.. i use pictures everywhere

>and i make her responsible for her actions and give her chores and jobs to

>earn her movies... i also have no time for myself anymore because we engage

>from the minute she is off the bus until she falls asleep....but the work

>has paid off...me and her teacher gang up on her and double the work for

it has been hard on me as a mom because i am not organized, buti

>have to be now and its a pain in the butt,,,,but seeing her shine and have

>color in her life for the first time in a longtime isworth the

>sacrifices...hope this helps....take care,leah

>

>

> >From: KSheri0422@...

> >Reply-To:

> >To: < >

> >Subject: Re: ds/autism info please?

> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:29:54 EST

> >

> >Ashton sounds like she's doing really well. What drugs is she currently

>on

> >that are helping her so much?

> >

> >Keep up the good work!

> >

> >Kathy

>

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judy,

your not alone.... we are all frustrated or have been with the system...i

homeschooled ashton last year and waged a battle with the school, ended up

in mediation and resolved some issues...but i just again filed another

complaint and will put fire under there butts.. i always trust my instinct

now and trust ashton's answers and behaviors as they affect her

environment.....she has a teacher who was not kind and actually used

physical force on ashton....ashton told me in her own way and i pulled her

outta there and based her in the autism program....i don't really pay much

attention to the ds side of things,i find more support at the asa meetings

and so on...i like the ndsc conferences and ndss but i find more useful info

at the asa things....we would be worse mothers if we didnt push our children

to thrive and succeed...in the back of your mind you would be thinking what

could've been....what kind of school is she in and does she get supports she

needs...hang in there and keep on banging, yelling and complaining,,,,,tc

leah

>From: Judithrehling@...

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>Subject: Re: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:09:40 EST

>

>Thanks, Leah....I'm hanging, but very frustrated with the system, I should

>have trusted my instincts...My Sara used to talk and write her name and

>read

>but all that is gone and she is further disappearing...at the rate we're

>going won't be much left...most people thought I pushed her too much and

>needed to leave her be...but not a chance...I'll be her pain in the butt

>till

>the end...she can fool them but I know she's still in there.

>Judy

>

>

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Leah:

Give us an idea of how you weaned off her movies. I think a lot of

us would benefit from hearing the process in a step-wise fashion. (you can

do this...) Try to break it into the steps, not what she looked like or

reacted.

Then, when you're bored, maybe you can share a generalized idea of how the

after school schedule goes? It would be helpful to many, I'm sure.

And then we can all whine because we can't sit down from 3-9pm and do

anything " frivolous. "

Joan

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Glen Vatter is on this list. he has LOTS of info available if you want to

get that.

My son was not " officially " diagnosed until 12, so you are not so far off.

Yes, there are differences that can help your daughter.

For some children, medications help with behavior and loss of skills.

Different teaching methods help. For some of us, a PECS system helps with

learning to organize days, plans, learning.

It helps a lot in knowing that there is an additional issue. in some states

the additional diagnosis helps with getting more services, particularly

wrap around services, additional respite.

Let me welcome you to the club of mothers of teens with a difference!!!

Your attitude to strange behavior will change as you read our little notes

back and forth. Please feel comfortable to join in.

Sara

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Donna, I am familiar with TEACCH method but we only have it here for 5 yrs

and under and they have to be high functioning children with Autism. (meaning

those with potential for normal intelligence)

I am not familiar with the Floortime method and assume you mean by ABA

Applied Behavior Analysis? Sara is a soph. in high school and there isn't

much of the early intervention stuff around that setting, we tried PECS which

didn't work and then tried a communication device. She memorized all 36

commands in one day, all three levels, (not bad for someone who is supposed

to have a mentality of 9 months, everyone was amazed, but then she couldn't

care less about communicating and there was no desire to use it, even with

rewards. Wonder what it's like to have nothing to say? maybe she's on to

something :-)

I was a professional parent advocate for special ed in our county and have a

little clout so maybe will ask for the TEACCH teacher to stop by and take a

look at Sara.

Thanks for the tips, I will check them out.

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Guess I'm just mad someone didn't listen to me years ago, I've been running

around trying to get someone to listen to me, trying this class and that

teacher with no one believing me and now they think they've made this new and

exciting discovery and want us to " do something " well I'm TIRED, and I don't

want to do it any more!

I think I need a vacation or some sunshine or something. I guess I haven't

totally thrown in the towel or I wouldn't be looking for new information

would I?, just need to re-group. It helps to share with others who " live

it " . Thanks for listening.

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Donna or whoever asked the question,

I don't know if their " are educational

stategies different than that for just a downs child,

are other interventions available or appropriate,

medications helpful?, neurologist?, specialists and

what kind, behavior interventions? " I gues that you

teach exceptional children differently and more slower

then you would teach a normal child. Yes medication,

etc. would be helpful to put the child into the right

services if they have a disibility, etc. I wish I

were more help but I'm just learning.

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I don't know who wrote this, I don't reconize the

e-mail address.

You didn't make anyone mad. I'll listen to you if

no one else will. Sometimes students won't listen to

the teacher's all the time and the students can't be

good students all the time. I know, I'm a college

freshman, so it wasn't that long ago that I was in

public schooling.

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--- Judithrehling@... wrote:

> Guess I'm just mad someone didn't listen to me years

> ago, I've been running

> around trying to get someone to listen to me, trying

> this class and that

> teacher with no one believing me and now they think

> they've made this new and

> exciting discovery and want us to " do something "

> well I'm TIRED, and I don't

> want to do it any more!

>

> I think I need a vacation or some sunshine or

> something. I guess I haven't

> totally thrown in the towel or I wouldn't be looking

> for new information

> would I?, just need to re-group. It helps to share

> with others who " live

> it " . Thanks for listening.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

> http://www.onelist.com/community/

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In a message dated 3/8/01 10:19:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< She memorized all 36

commands in one day, all three levels, (not bad for someone who is supposed

to have a mentality of 9 months, everyone was amazed, but then she couldn't

care less about communicating and there was no desire to use it >>

Yes. You really need to engage her before she'll decide to use the system.

That's why Floortime was the first step for us. Actually sensory

integration was, then Floortime. Maddie was SO hard to engage and using

Greenspan's method just piqued her interest and got her Wanting to join our

world. All her reports still say that Maddie prefers to be alone, but it's

a breeze for us to *bring her back*. My 8 yo was really the best at

Floortime with Maddie. After two minutes of copying her, she had Maddie in

giggles. Now they use ABA and we use PECS at home as well as at school. I

sure hope that you are able to find something that brings your daughter

around!!

Donna

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i know we do floor time or " jim play " its called from the communicating

group im a part of, jim mcdonald has many books and videos, using floor time

or play time to increase your childs communicating process and its very

effective and dr jim is great too. they even sent me videos to view very

helpful and a book too,shawna.

>From: Judithrehling@...

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>Subject: Re: ds/autism info please?

>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:39:18 EST

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>Where can I find the floortime info?

>Judy

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>

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Rob...not sure if I can explain it correctly...It is a highly structured

teaching method with a lot of hand over hand teaching, also there is a big

emphasis on intensive behavior intervention and communication. PECS (Picture

Exchange Communication System) is usually used. I have only visited the

class... never had any of my children in it but I am sure there are several

here in the group who can give you more info.

Judy

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what is the teach method??

Re: ds/autism info please?

> Donna, I am familiar with TEACCH method but we only have it here for 5 yrs

> and under and they have to be high functioning children with Autism.

(meaning

> those with potential for normal intelligence)

>

> I am not familiar with the Floortime method and assume you mean by ABA

> Applied Behavior Analysis? Sara is a soph. in high school and there

isn't

> much of the early intervention stuff around that setting, we tried PECS

which

> didn't work and then tried a communication device. She memorized all 36

> commands in one day, all three levels, (not bad for someone who is

supposed

> to have a mentality of 9 months, everyone was amazed, but then she

couldn't

> care less about communicating and there was no desire to use it, even with

> rewards. Wonder what it's like to have nothing to say? maybe she's on to

> something :-)

>

> I was a professional parent advocate for special ed in our county and have

a

> little clout so maybe will ask for the TEACCH teacher to stop by and take

a

> look at Sara.

>

> Thanks for the tips, I will check them out.

>

>

>

>

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