Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Hmmm. There's stuff that you can paint on fingernails that tastes bad, to deter the hand-sucking. I don't usually prefer punishment/deterrents as a first course of action, but you say you've tried other methods with no success. Sucking his hands is a health hazard...I don't know. My 7-year-old used to always have fingers in mouth. We started the Wilbarger brushing on his hands, joint compressions on his fingers, hand massage, and oral massage using a vibrating teether toy (from TalkTools.com ). The OT's feeling was that 's finger-sucking was from sensory seeking as well as anxiety. So we gave him good sensory input using the above, as well as time playing with playdoh, fingerpaint, moon sand, other textures, etc. It took a while, but he doesn't suck fingers now (he still chews his nails, though!). Hth! Sent from my iPhone > Hot pepper would not be a good one for my son his hands are always in his face and sensitive skin. > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since before > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does NOT > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt (household > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it takes > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school (actually > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. Nick > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just Mom > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it worked for > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to therapists, > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and the > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at home. > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has lasted > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 When he was around 2, became very enamored of (clean) baby wipes! We had to hide them or he'd go through a whole box, squeezing the liquid into his mouth or sucking on them. Ugh! Not fun. His ST said that it was a sensory thing, that the wipes were cool, wet and bitter. Still...yuck! Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2011, at 8:06 AM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: > When it comes to hand licking or gagging with hands, if I say 'No, Stop, Don't " (or actually I have to sign and say it, like anything else), then he stops. If I just *tell* him verbally, he may or may not stop, but more than likely won't. I usually follow with, " Are you thirsty (or hungry)? " That resolves the problem. > My son use to do something weird. He used to place a baby wipe over his sippy straw and sip through it. My other children said he did it because he could and he wanted to see a cause/effect behavior to see if he could suck the drink through the straw. Obviously he was not convinced that yes he could suck the drink through the straw and the wipe because he continued to do it. I think age and constant reminders not to do that (saying " yucky " ) got him to stop. > > > > > > > > > Has anyone had any trouble with this? licks his hands, sometimes all the way up to his elbows. Sometimes he does it off and on all day. rose > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Irritants, like adversives, rarely work in the long run. kids get used to them - to say nothing of the NEGATIVE effect. I am a prime example. My parents splinted my arms so I wcouldn't get my hands in my mouth. LAter, they used THUMB that awful peppery stuff to keep me from biting my nails. The resulsts: I bit my nails until I was well into my 5th decade and sucked my thumb well into adult hood (altho I hid the fact). My opinion: remind and redirect. Distract is even better. Place things in the hands to give the hands something to do. Praise praise praise - as in: Thanks you for holding xyz in your hands. I love the work you are doing - thank you , etc. On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > That can cause respiratory issues for kids. Especially those with asthma or > current respiratory issue if the child puts his hands in his eyes, like mine > does, then the pepper will burn the eyes. Not good. Not sure listerine is > good either since listerine will also burn. > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since before > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does NOT > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt (household > > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it takes > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school > (actually > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. Nick > > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just Mom > > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it worked > for > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to therapists, > > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and the > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at home. > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has lasted > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 When my oldest was 5, we began a behavior plan, at the urging of the school psychologist, where needed to earn EVERYTHING. Computer time, tv time, books, games, everything he cared about came with the price of good behavior. The psychologist called this " positive behavior support " . We also used Ross Greene's " Explosive Child " book and focused on just 1-3 behaviors at a time. I never really understood the difference between say, needing to keep hands to himself to earn computer time, and losing computer time for hitting. To , it's the same thing, isn't it?? Anyway, we did it her way, 100%. She, and we, and later the behaviorist, all scratched our heads when " outgrew " each behavior plan in two-three weeks. Basically, as soon as it started working, it'd be time to create a new one. He was extremely motivated to earn DS time or computer time, but could only work with a behavior plan (sticker sheet, checklist, token economy) when it was novel. Now he's 10. He's oppositional, extremely defiant, and still very explosive. He's cruel to his siblings (though kind to ). He has moments of helpfulness, but is mostly manipulative and not Sent from my iPhone > Irritants, like adversives, rarely work in the long run. kids get used to > them - to say nothing of the NEGATIVE effect. > > I am a prime example. My parents splinted my arms so I wcouldn't get my > hands in my mouth. LAter, they used THUMB that awful peppery stuff to keep > me from biting my nails. The resulsts: I bit my nails until I was well > into my 5th decade and sucked my thumb well into adult hood (altho I hid the > fact). > > My opinion: remind and redirect. Distract is even better. Place things in > the hands to give the hands something to do. Praise praise praise - as in: > Thanks you for holding xyz in your hands. I love the work you are doing - > thank you , etc. > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < > agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > > > > > That can cause respiratory issues for kids. Especially those with asthma or > > current respiratory issue if the child puts his hands in his eyes, like mine > > does, then the pepper will burn the eyes. Not good. Not sure listerine is > > good either since listerine will also burn. > > > > > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since before > > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does NOT > > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt (household > > > > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it takes > > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school > > (actually > > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. Nick > > > > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just Mom > > > > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it worked > > for > > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to therapists, > > > > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and the > > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at home. > > > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has lasted > > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Sorry, hit " send " too soon...he's manipulative, he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, blames others (usually DH) for everything! He intentionally bothers people, etc. In 3rd grade, his math teacher filled out a form that pretty much pointed to conduct disorder, but we were told that his issues are more just an outgrowth of his ADHD. He'd never steal or play hookey, or vandalize something. But he'd sure get mad and throw something at me. So far, 5 years of positive behavior supports have not helped. I worry about him, extremely much. He's so smart and has so much to offer, but who is gonna hire someone who blows up? Who will marry him??? I'm not even sure his own siblings will want to be his friend. Who else will??? He's not a horrible kid...there's goodness in him, too, and sweetness when it's not covered by the anger. I love him, very much, but there are times when I'm scared of him, I see these other kids who have his same dx's who are just so much easier...I've also seen the kids he's grown up with who were like him turn into much nicer human beings. And I wonder where I've gone wrong? Attachment parenting, positive discipline, positive behavior supports... " How to Talk So Your Kids Will Listen " and " Kids Are Worth It " were like my bibles when he was a toddler. I believed that if I stayed calm and positive, he'd learn to behave better. He wouldn't throw sand in his friend's eye and fail to notice her tears (hurt feelings-/they were 8 when this happened). He wouldn't just push people out of his way, he'd learn to care. Social skills groups, OT, speech therapy, counseling, a special school for Asperger'sand advocating and advocating. And here we are and he's 10 and it's just like when he was 2 only stronger. He has this crazy high IQ and I worry that he won't be able to work at all. CBT is next. And I can't tell you how scared I am that it won't work...and honestly, I question everything I've ever done. Would his life be better if I'd spanked and punished him more?? My dad sure seems to think so...many of his friend's moms have said something to that effect, too. I don't really brlieve that, but I wonder where I could've gone better. I believe that with all the best of intentions, I've failed this incredible child. Ugh. Sent from my iPhone > When my oldest was 5, we began a behavior plan, at the urging of the school psychologist, where needed to earn EVERYTHING. Computer time, tv time, books, games, everything he cared about came with the price of good behavior. The psychologist called this " positive behavior support " . We also used Ross Greene's " Explosive Child " book and focused on just 1-3 behaviors at a time. > > I never really understood the difference between say, needing to keep hands to himself to earn computer time, and losing computer time for hitting. To , it's the same thing, isn't it?? > > Anyway, we did it her way, 100%. She, and we, and later the behaviorist, all scratched our heads when " outgrew " each behavior plan in two-three weeks. Basically, as soon as it started working, it'd be time to create a new one. He was extremely motivated to earn DS time or computer time, but could only work with a behavior plan (sticker sheet, checklist, token economy) when it was novel. > > Now he's 10. He's oppositional, extremely defiant, and still very explosive. He's cruel to his siblings (though kind to ). He has moments of helpfulness, but is mostly manipulative and not > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > Irritants, like adversives, rarely work in the long run. kids get used to > > them - to say nothing of the NEGATIVE effect. > > > > I am a prime example. My parents splinted my arms so I wcouldn't get my > > hands in my mouth. LAter, they used THUMB that awful peppery stuff to keep > > me from biting my nails. The resulsts: I bit my nails until I was well > > into my 5th decade and sucked my thumb well into adult hood (altho I hid the > > fact). > > > > My opinion: remind and redirect. Distract is even better. Place things in > > the hands to give the hands something to do. Praise praise praise - as in: > > Thanks you for holding xyz in your hands. I love the work you are doing - > > thank you , etc. > > > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < > > agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That can cause respiratory issues for kids. Especially those with asthma or > > > current respiratory issue if the child puts his hands in his eyes, like mine > > > does, then the pepper will burn the eyes. Not good. Not sure listerine is > > > good either since listerine will also burn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since before > > > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does NOT > > > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt (household > > > > > > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it takes > > > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school > > > (actually > > > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. Nick > > > > > > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just Mom > > > > > > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it worked > > > for > > > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to therapists, > > > > > > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and the > > > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at home. > > > > > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has lasted > > > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Elie still works for food. But now we can delay reward up to a week - or in the case of I0Hop - once a month! He will not 'do' for any other motivator. For years in middle and h./s we tried working for coupons to be used for desired object, and then money. The only true motivator for my young man is FOOD. > > > When my oldest was 5, we began a behavior plan, at the urging of the school > psychologist, where needed to earn EVERYTHING. Computer time, tv time, > books, games, everything he cared about came with the price of good > behavior. The psychologist called this " positive behavior support " . We also > used Ross Greene's " Explosive Child " book and focused on just 1-3 behaviors > at a time. > > I never really understood the difference between say, needing to keep hands > to himself to earn computer time, and losing computer time for hitting. To > , it's the same thing, isn't it?? > > Anyway, we did it her way, 100%. She, and we, and later the behaviorist, > all scratched our heads when " outgrew " each behavior plan in two-three > weeks. Basically, as soon as it started working, it'd be time to create a > new one. He was extremely motivated to earn DS time or computer time, but > could only work with a behavior plan (sticker sheet, checklist, token > economy) when it was novel. > > Now he's 10. He's oppositional, extremely defiant, and still very > explosive. He's cruel to his siblings (though kind to ). He has > moments of helpfulness, but is mostly manipulative and not > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Irritants, like adversives, rarely work in the long run. kids get used to > > them - to say nothing of the NEGATIVE effect. > > > > I am a prime example. My parents splinted my arms so I wcouldn't get my > > hands in my mouth. LAter, they used THUMB that awful peppery stuff to > keep > > me from biting my nails. The resulsts: I bit my nails until I was well > > into my 5th decade and sucked my thumb well into adult hood (altho I hid > the > > fact). > > > > My opinion: remind and redirect. Distract is even better. Place things in > > the hands to give the hands something to do. Praise praise praise - as > in: > > Thanks you for holding xyz in your hands. I love the work you are doing - > > thank you , etc. > > > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < > > agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That can cause respiratory issues for kids. Especially those with > asthma or > > > current respiratory issue if the child puts his hands in his eyes, like > mine > > > does, then the pepper will burn the eyes. Not good. Not sure listerine > is > > > good either since listerine will also burn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since > before > > > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does > NOT > > > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt > (household > > > > > > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it > takes > > > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school > > > (actually > > > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. > Nick > > > > > > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just > Mom > > > > > > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it > worked > > > for > > > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to > therapists, > > > > > > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and > the > > > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at > home. > > > > > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has > lasted > > > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 only cares about computer time, gaming time and, less so, tv time. He usually has access to his Nook, and can email his friends on there. I don't take that away (ok, I did once, when he got angry and threw it) because he uses it at school for his reading enrichment work. Food motivates , though! " cookie " and " chips " are his most-used PECS. Next is ketchup, storybook, then drink. :0 Sent from my iPhone > Elie still works for food. But now we can delay reward up to a week - or in > the case of I0Hop - once a month! He will not 'do' for any other > motivator. For years in middle and h./s we tried working for coupons to be > used for desired object, and then money. The only true motivator for my > young man is FOOD. > > > > > > > > > When my oldest was 5, we began a behavior plan, at the urging of the school > > psychologist, where needed to earn EVERYTHING. Computer time, tv time, > > books, games, everything he cared about came with the price of good > > behavior. The psychologist called this " positive behavior support " . We also > > used Ross Greene's " Explosive Child " book and focused on just 1-3 behaviors > > at a time. > > > > I never really understood the difference between say, needing to keep hands > > to himself to earn computer time, and losing computer time for hitting. To > > , it's the same thing, isn't it?? > > > > Anyway, we did it her way, 100%. She, and we, and later the behaviorist, > > all scratched our heads when " outgrew " each behavior plan in two-three > > weeks. Basically, as soon as it started working, it'd be time to create a > > new one. He was extremely motivated to earn DS time or computer time, but > > could only work with a behavior plan (sticker sheet, checklist, token > > economy) when it was novel. > > > > Now he's 10. He's oppositional, extremely defiant, and still very > > explosive. He's cruel to his siblings (though kind to ). He has > > moments of helpfulness, but is mostly manipulative and not > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > Irritants, like adversives, rarely work in the long run. kids get used to > > > them - to say nothing of the NEGATIVE effect. > > > > > > I am a prime example. My parents splinted my arms so I wcouldn't get my > > > hands in my mouth. LAter, they used THUMB that awful peppery stuff to > > keep > > > me from biting my nails. The resulsts: I bit my nails until I was well > > > into my 5th decade and sucked my thumb well into adult hood (altho I hid > > the > > > fact). > > > > > > My opinion: remind and redirect. Distract is even better. Place things in > > > the hands to give the hands something to do. Praise praise praise - as > > in: > > > Thanks you for holding xyz in your hands. I love the work you are doing - > > > thank you , etc. > > > > > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < > > > agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That can cause respiratory issues for kids. Especially those with > > asthma or > > > > current respiratory issue if the child puts his hands in his eyes, like > > mine > > > > does, then the pepper will burn the eyes. Not good. Not sure listerine > > is > > > > good either since listerine will also burn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rose, Yep!!! My son, Nick has been doing this off and on since > > before > > > > > > second grade, he is now finishing 7th! I cannot get him to stop. He > > > > > > will, as you say put his hands all the way into his mouth and does > > NOT > > > > > > gag, He gets a ring around his face from the saliva and dirt > > (household > > > > > > > > > > dust, etc., not playing in sand or real dirt!). It seems like it > > takes > > > > > > a chisel to get it off and find a clean face! > > > > > > > > > > > > He was just startling in an inclusion class in our home school > > > > (actually > > > > > > started before that) and his 1:1 aide, got him to stop, in school. > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > never does it when in school, in public, in front of visitors, just > > Mom > > > > > > > > > > and Dad. He has marks on his hands where his teeth have caused > > > > > > callouses, the wetness makes his hands waterlogged! > > > > > > > > > > > > We tried spraying Listerine, and vinegar on his hands, and it > > worked > > > > for > > > > > > a few minutes, finally we gave up on that. I have spoken to > > therapists, > > > > > > > > > > behaviorists, docs., no one has any ideas! I think with school and > > the > > > > > > 1:1, it is the constant watching, which I cannot accomplish at > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking about it just now, this is the only " quirk " that has > > lasted > > > > > > this long. Most seem to come and go in a few months or a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you get any good solutions, please be sure to let me know!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Schuylerville, NY > > > > > > Nick, age 13, Ds,-Autism > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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