Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Thanks for all of the feedback. & nbsp;Yes his expressive language is minimal and we try sign language but he only uses it for things that he wants and colors. & nbsp;I can't really carry a conversation about feelings or thoughts but he has an ipad and he uses it pretty well to tell me his feelings. & nbsp;Recently like I posted before he did SAY " mom car " and his speech when imitating is becoming more clear. & nbsp;I did get an appointment with a neurodevelopmental pediatrician who felt like he should be evaluated. So I'm relieved and can't wait to see what happens. & nbsp;Also for his birth they used a vacuum and forceps (sp?) so I'm wandering if there was damage from that. & nbsp;The DS doesn't affect him much in my opinion. & nbsp;He " looks typical " but has low muscle tone. Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Aug 3, 2011 4:20 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 & lt;agirlnamedsuess@... & gt; wrote: & nbsp; Not saying he does not have apraxia, but he had to have spoken quite a bit for the speech therapist to notice the hallmark signs and symptoms of apraxia. I copied this from the ASHA website for you, which includes the hallmark signs and symptoms, one of which is groping of the mouth when speaking. What is childhood apraxia of speech? Childhood apraxia of speech (CAS) is a motor speech disorder. Children with CAS have problems saying sounds, syllables, and words. This is not because of muscle weakness or paralysis. The brain has problems planning to move the body parts (e.g., lips, jaw, tongue) needed for speech. The child knows what he or she wants to say, but his/her brain has difficulty coordinating the muscle movements necessary to say those words. What are some signs or symptoms of childhood apraxia of speech? Not all children with CAS are the same. All of the signs and symptoms listed below may not be present in every child. It is important to have your child evaluated by a speech-language pathologist (SLP) who has knowledge of CAS to rule out other causes of speech problems. General things to look for include the following: A Very Young Child ¡Does not coo or babble as an infant ¡First words are late, and they may be missing sounds ¡Only a few different consonant and vowel sounds ¡Problems combining sounds; may show long pauses between sounds ¡Simplifies words by replacing difficult sounds with easier ones or by deleting difficult sounds (although all children do this, the child with apraxia of speech does so more often) ¡May have problems eating An Older Child ¡Makes inconsistent sound errors that are not the result of immaturity ¡Can understand language much better than he or she can talk ¡Has difficulty imitating speech, but imitated speech is more clear than spontaneous speech ¡May appear to be groping when attempting to produce sounds or to coordinate the lips, tongue, and jaw for purposeful movement ¡Has more difficulty saying longer words or phrases clearly than shorter ones ¡Appears to have more difficulty when he or she is anxious ¡Is hard to understand, especially for an unfamiliar listener ¡Sounds choppy, monotonous, or stresses the wrong syllable or word Potential Other Problems ¡Delayed language development ¡Other expressive language problems like word order confusions and word recall ¡Difficulties with fine motor movement/coordination ¡Over sensitive (hypersensitive) or under sensitive (hyposensitive) in their mouths (e.g., may not like toothbrushing or crunchy foods, may not be able to identify an object in their mouth through touch) ¡Children with CAS or other speech problems may have problems when learning to read, spell, and write Return to Top How is childhood apraxia of speech diagnosed? An audiologist should perform a hearing evaluation to rule out hearing loss as a possible cause of the child's speech difficulties. A certified-SLP with knowledge and experience with CAS conducts an evaluation. This will assess the child's oral-motor abilities, melody of speech, and speech sound development. The SLP can diagnose CAS and rule out other speech disorders, unless only a limited speech sample can be obtained making a firm diagnosis challenging. An oral-motor assessment involves: ¡checking for signs of weakness or low muscle tone in the lips, jaw, and tongue, called dysarthria. Children with CAS do not usually have weakness, but checking for weakness will help the SLP make a diagnosis. ¡seeing how well the child can coordinate the movement of the mouth by having him or her imitate nonspeech actions (e.g., moving the tongue from side to side, smiling, frowning, puckering the lips) ¡evaluating the coordination and sequencing of muscle movements for speech while the child performs tasks such as the diadochokinetic rate, which requires the child to repeat strings of sounds (e.g., puh-tuh-kuh) as fast as possible ¡examining rote abilities by testing the child's skills in functional or " real-life " situations (e.g., licking a lollipop) and comparing this to skills in nonfunctional or " pretend " situations (e.g., pretending to lick a lollipop) A melody of speech (intonation) assessment involves: ¡listening to the child to make sure that he or she is able to appropriately stress syllables in words and words in sentences ¡determining whether the child can use pitch and pauses to mark different types of sentences (e.g., questions vs. statements) and to mark off different portions of the sentence (e.g., to pause between phrases, not in the middle of them) A speech sound (pronunciation of sounds in words) assessment involves: ¡Evaluating both vowel and consonant sounds ¡Checking how well the child says individual sounds and sound combinations (syllables and word shapes) ¡Determining how well others can understand the child when they use single words, phrases, and conversational speech. An SLP may also examine the child's receptive and expressive language skills and literacy skills to see if there are co-existing problems in these areas. To contact a speech-language pathologist, visit ASHA's Find a Professional. What treatments are available for children with apraxia of speech? Research shows the children with CAS have more success when they receive frequent (3-5 times per week) and intensive treatment. Children seen alone for treatment tend to do better than children seen in groups. As the child improves, they may need treatment less often, and group therapy may be a better alternative. The focus of intervention for CAS is on improving the planning, sequencing, and coordination of muscle movements for speech production. Isolated exercises designed to " strengthen " the oral muscles will not help with speech. CAS is a disorder of speech coordination, not strength. To improve speech, the child must practice speech. However, getting feedback from a number of senses, such as tactile " touch " cues and visual cues (e.g., watching him/herself in the mirror) as well as auditory feedback, is often helpful. With this multi-sensory feedback, the child can more readily repeat syllables, words, sentences and longer utterances to improve muscle coordination and sequencing for speech. Some clients may be taught to use sign language or an augmentative and alternative communication system (e.g., a portable computer that writes and/or produces speech) if the apraxia makes speaking very difficult. Once speech production is improved, the need for these systems may lessen, but they can be used to support speech or move the child more quickly to higher levels of language complexity. Practice at home is very important. Families will often be given assignments to help the child progress and allow the child to use new strategies outside of the treatment room, and to assure optimal progress in therapy. One of the most important things for the family to remember is that treatment of apraxia of speech takes time and commitment. Children with CAS need a supportive environment that helps them feel successful with communication. For children who also receive other services, such as physical or occupational therapy, families and professionals need to schedule services in a way that does not make the child too tired and unable to make the best use of therapy time. To contact a speech-language pathologist, visit ASHA's Find a Professional. What other organizations have information about childhood apraxia of speech? This list is not exhaustive and inclusion does not imply endorsement of the organization or the content of the Web site by ASHA. ¡Apraxia-Kids information site ¡National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders ¡Speechville Express Aphasia, which is different from apraxia, is caused from a TBI, whether it be hypoxia (like lack of oxygen after or during birth), brain tumor, infection, stroke, bleeding in the brain, etc... A follow-up with a neurologist is for sure in order; so, you are on the right track. But be forewarned, most neurologists rely on what the SLP says. My son has been with this SLP (and she is the best I have seen in GA), and she just now admits he has a concurrent diagnosis of aphasia (whereas she refused to admit before because apraxia gets the most insurance pay from the insurance company already and there was no need to visit aphasia in her eyes). True apraxia is considered very rare in children. I welcome you to join a Facebook group I created called " Speech & amp; Language Disorders in Children " . I post a lot of good information and resources on this group. I have been on this journey for a long time with speech and language issues, and I know it is imperative you get immediate help/intervention as early as possible; I also know it is critical to get the correct diagnosis (or diagnoses). Your child might have more than one S/L diagnosis. There is no doubt in my mind that if your child has been diagnosed with ASD, then there is some sort of expressive language disorder. Have you tried sign language? We use it with great success. Without signing, my son has very , very little receptive speech; with sign, his receptive understanding of speech rises to 100%. & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; ** & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; Boy, does this bring back memories. What is the general consensus about & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; Piracetem in the Down syndrome community these days? In 1989, when Ian was & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; born, it was *highly* controversial. 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Is it generally perceived to be helpful at all? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 He has Translocation DS. Neither his father nor I carry the gene so it was just one of those things. & nbsp;Unfortunetly I'm not on facebook yet but I'll sign up and join. & nbsp;Thank you for sharing your knowledge. & nbsp;Does your son have MDS? Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Aug 3, 2011 6:03 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 & lt;agirlnamedsuess@... & gt; wrote: & nbsp; Sounds like MDS if he looks typical (see my son's Facebook page and view his photos; search on facebook for CHARLIE HART TENEYCK). There is also quite a bit of information on there about speech; feel free to like the page. Also, don't forget to join the other FB group for Speech & amp; Language Dsorders in Children. (lots of info there) Not sure about the vaccum & amp; forceps, but cannot be a good thing either way. Even though your son does not reciprocate sign very much, trust me...he is receptively *getting it*. Keep it up, as sign bridges the communication gap in children with severe speech and language disorders. & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; ** & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; Boy, does this bring back memories. What is the general consensus about & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; Piracetem in the Down syndrome community these days? In 1989, when Ian was & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; born, it was *highly* controversial. The woman who was touting it most was & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; showing pictures of " improved " facial features -- and there was an uproar & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; about how kids with Down syndrome don't have faces that need improvement. & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; You couldn't mention Piracetem on a Down syndrome email list without & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; starting huge flame wars. & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; After we made the decision to ignore Piracetem, we lost connection with the & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & gt; & gt; & amp;gt; & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; discussion. Is it generally perceived to be helpful at all? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Oh no it's just Translocation lol. & nbsp;Charlie is a cutie. & nbsp;My CJ is 9 & nbsp;Have you read anything about stem cell therapy? & nbsp;My mom found a sight about a series of injections given to patients but it's no done here yet. & nbsp;I'm wondering if something like that would help our kids either cognitively or repair the part in their brain with the speech disorder? Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Aug 3, 2011 7:40 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 & lt;agirlnamedsuess@... & gt; wrote: & nbsp; De novo Translocation Down Syndrome is very rare. Interesting. My son does have MDS (50%), was rediagnosed age 3 1/2 years of age and that was his percentage then. Is your son's DS Mosaic Translocation (even rarer, but nothing surpises me)? You are welcome. And come visit us on Facebook. P.S. You might be able to google " Charlie Hart TenEyck + Facebook " and at least see his picture. 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Is it generally perceived to be helpful at all? 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Yea that's very true!!!!! It is a ridiculous fee they are requesting. Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Aug 4, 2011 8:55 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 & lt;agirlnamedsuess@... & gt; wrote: & nbsp; If TBI has killed the brain tissue (due to lack of blood flow), then no, stem cells will not help. I am very familiar with stem cell therapy (I do a lot of research in the field of genetics and also in neurology), and you must be very careful. I always explain it this way: ALL DNA is defective; no human is perfect. And the stem cells are coming from another human; otherwise, you are implanting the same defective cells back into the same host.When you intermix cells like this, you are opening yourself up for the potential of other conditions you do not already have or might have otherwise not had expressed without *extra* stem cells to set it off. 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Wow that's amazing! I did not know that. I'll have to look back and see his results. & nbsp;You are very knowledgable about this stuff. Is this your line of work or passion? Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Aug 4, 2011 9:00 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 & lt;agirlnamedsuess@... & gt; wrote: & nbsp; P.S. Forgot to mention, if anything less than 500 cells (actually greater than 459 cells, but 500 is a nice round number) were counted in the karyotype, then there is a HUGE chance the karyotype is incorrect (Exclusion of Chromosomal Mosaicism within 90%, 95%, and 99% confidence limits by Hook; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1685228/ And standard in the industry is merely 20. It may be in your child's case that TMDS is a possibility. 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