Re: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry!

[Guest guest]

Liz, Hey 's ABA therapist suggested getting a gait belt like they use for

elderly people during therapy. I put it up under his armpits, then I position

his feet under him with knees bent and count 1,2,3, and pull him up to a stand.

It is much easier than the other tugging a pulling. Now I don't even need the

gait belt when he drops I positions his feet, and count 1,2,3 holding his hands

and he stands up. Take away a favorite treat and the only time she gets that

brownine, or cookie, movie or whatever is when she stands up like she is

supposed to. In the beginning I let have his moment of stop,drop, and flop,

so he can melt down and then make him stand. I used the counting to get him to

get out of the tub. When was little I used to count 1,2,3, and he would

jump in the pool so I suggested to therapist using the counting because

knew he was supposed to do something on the count of three. It worked for me and

I hope it works for you. I too have injured my back, and one I expect I will be

in a wheelchair. Oh in Ky you can call the Fire Dept once a month and ask for a

Lift Assist when you need help getting someone out of a car and into the house

or out of the house and into a car. Call your local Fire Dept and ask it can't

hurt. I hope this helps. http://www.dynamic-living.com/product/gait-belts/#clear

http://www.ehow.com/way_5657101_information-proper-use-gait-belt.html

Cyndi B.

>

> Mike & I had our 1st adults pnly getaway this weekend and all was great

> until our 25 y.o.poor called us yesterday afternoon because Tori

> REFUSED to get out of the car after Mon took her to Mcs. Due to the

> fact that it was like 90 Degrees outside, we told Mon you need to get a

> little aggressive at this point and drag her out if need be. Was finally

> able to get her out after about 45 minutes. After a time out once

> inside..she was fine.

>

> We went to a family picnic today with Mike's family (cousins, sisters) after

> we got home from our weekend getaway.. & Tori had a major malfunction for

> about 3 1/2 hours. (PS-Mike couldn't go-had real bad belly problems today).

> She REFUSED to get out of the car once we arrived; then

> stopped/dropped/flopped just inside the front door; Then scooted down a set

> of stairs, the dropped just inside the door to the yard; Then

> stopped/dropped/flopped and remained parked in front of the door on the

> patio for over 40 minutes. Was convinced to move to a shadier area..then

> convinced to move towards the screened in patio room and dropped. Remained

> there for close to 1 1/2 hours ...finally got her inside the patio..on her

> a$$ no food/no drink...no nothing. FINALLY decides, Oh, I better get off the

> floor and eat/drink..and was fine. BUT..by then it was just about time to

> head home...It took 4-5 adults to literally carry her up a hill at the side

> of the house to get her into the car. (She got what she wanted..NOT TO

> WALK!!!) =(

>

> In the car, singing-banging all the way home! We had dad meet us when we

> got home, cause I was DONE! At about 8 p.m. she is told she MUST go

> potty..it is bed time..and DO NOT even say I CAN'T or NO-cause Mom is gonna

> lose it! She politely gets up from the couch, says " OK, Mom. " and walks

> nicely into the bathroom; potties, and gets washed up & changed, and walks

> right into her bedroom and up on her bed.

>

> My right wrist is now totally destroyed from wrestling with her for a good

> part of the afternoon...

> OMG! Not knowing WHAT is making her behave this way is extremely

> stressful...Could be PMSing, could just be what she needed to do today...Not

> sure, But DEF not liking it. No camp tomorrow...Down time needed to

> regroup, and try to figure out WTH is happening here. Nurse comes at 10

> am..BSC coming..maybe her MT as well.

>

> Oh, and my right wrist is now really messed up!

>

> Sorry, just had to let it all out!

> --

> *Liz DeSantis

> *

>

> Let me win, but if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt. - Special

> Olympics Motto-RIP Eunice Kennedy Shriver

>

> " When we long for life without difficulties, remind us that oaks grow strong

> in contrary winds and diamonds are made under pressure.-Author Unknown

>

> " Knowing trees, I understand the meaning of patience. Knowing grass, I can

> understand persistence. " - Hal Borland

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara, This method only works if you have unlimited time. Unfortunately, my son

does this when we are going out the door to an appointment (usually speech or

another appointment, which we cannot be late for). Being pressed for time,

always with so much in my schedule, I cannot stop to read a book.

However,leaving the room sometimes works, but that is when he starts to break

things. The other time he does this is when he is outside and it is time to come

in. We cannot leave him outside because he takes off. He has this down to a

science and is very noncompliant. Yes, I attribute this to overexpression of the

genes and being plain out uncooperative and stubborn (because he gets mean,

screams, throws things, and breaks things that belong to others).

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Liz,My son does the stop drop flop and hurts our wrists on a daily basis

> > (not to mention other body parts). I am exhausted from it. We all are. There

> > is absolutely no reason for his behavior and he is only 8. (And no PMS

> > there, because he is male.) He was diagnosed with *Disruptive Behavior

> > Disorder*. The psychologist said I was doing all I could do and just to keep

> > doing it. We are all fed up and tired of it after 8 years and not sure how

> > much more we can handle.

> > I feel for you and your family and my prayers are with you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know why my son does this...it is because he wants his way.PLain and simple.

And when he is not getting his way, he throws a SDF tantrum. It is Charlie

Hart's way or the highway. He needs a daily aba therapist by his side for two

solid weeks in the home. *I* physically am not able to devote 200% of my time to

him (even 100% I can't, but he wants more), as I have other kids that need me as

well.

Fat chance getting a 12 hour day shift therapist paid for by insurance for two

weeks. He just needs to be broken (from the habit)and he needs someone there all

of the waking hours (from just before waking time, when it starts) one-on-one to

stop this, as it has really become a habit for him.

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Liz,My son does the stop drop flop and hurts our wrists on a daily basis

> > (not to mention other body parts). I am exhausted from it. We all are. There

> > is absolutely no reason for his behavior and he is only 8. (And no PMS

> > there, because he is male.) He was diagnosed with *Disruptive Behavior

> > Disorder*. The psychologist said I was doing all I could do and just to keep

> > doing it. We are all fed up and tired of it after 8 years and not sure how

> > much more we can handle.

> > I feel for you and your family and my prayers are with you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana.

>

>

[Guest guest]

A gait belt sounds like a good idea, but at some point you just get fed up and

just have to make them get up so you can keep the schedule going.

I feel for you Liz because my daughter was in crutches for 6 weeks with a torn

ligament because while he was on a SDF on the floor (and we were walking away),

he grabbed my daughter's ankle and pulled her to the ground. He disabled someone

twice his age in a few seconds for two months.

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Liz,My son does the stop drop flop and hurts our wrists on a daily

> > basis

> > > > (not to mention other body parts). I am exhausted from it. We all are.

> > > There

> > > > is absolutely no reason for his behavior and he is only 8. (And no PMS

> > > > there, because he is male.) He was diagnosed with *Disruptive Behavior

> > > > Disorder*. The psychologist said I was doing all I could do and just to

> > > keep

> > > > doing it. We are all fed up and tired of it after 8 years and not sure

> > > how

> > > > much more we can handle.

> > > > I feel for you and your family and my prayers are with you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Interesting on the fire department, by my son would enjoy the fire dept coming

out and would soon learn that every time he does this, he gets more attention.

He would get up for the fire dept and shake their hand. (I have a visual!)

I would look like a fool.

> >

> > Mike & I had our 1st adults pnly getaway this weekend and all was great

> > until our 25 y.o.poor called us yesterday afternoon because Tori

> > REFUSED to get out of the car after Mon took her to Mcs. Due to the

> > fact that it was like 90 Degrees outside, we told Mon you need to get a

> > little aggressive at this point and drag her out if need be. Was finally

> > able to get her out after about 45 minutes. After a time out once

> > inside..she was fine.

> >

> > We went to a family picnic today with Mike's family (cousins, sisters) after

> > we got home from our weekend getaway.. & Tori had a major malfunction for

> > about 3 1/2 hours. (PS-Mike couldn't go-had real bad belly problems today).

> > She REFUSED to get out of the car once we arrived; then

> > stopped/dropped/flopped just inside the front door; Then scooted down a set

> > of stairs, the dropped just inside the door to the yard; Then

> > stopped/dropped/flopped and remained parked in front of the door on the

> > patio for over 40 minutes. Was convinced to move to a shadier area..then

> > convinced to move towards the screened in patio room and dropped. Remained

> > there for close to 1 1/2 hours ...finally got her inside the patio..on her

> > a$$ no food/no drink...no nothing. FINALLY decides, Oh, I better get off the

> > floor and eat/drink..and was fine. BUT..by then it was just about time to

> > head home...It took 4-5 adults to literally carry her up a hill at the side

> > of the house to get her into the car. (She got what she wanted..NOT TO

> > WALK!!!) =(

> >

> > In the car, singing-banging all the way home! We had dad meet us when we

> > got home, cause I was DONE! At about 8 p.m. she is told she MUST go

> > potty..it is bed time..and DO NOT even say I CAN'T or NO-cause Mom is gonna

> > lose it! She politely gets up from the couch, says " OK, Mom. " and walks

> > nicely into the bathroom; potties, and gets washed up & changed, and walks

> > right into her bedroom and up on her bed.

> >

> > My right wrist is now totally destroyed from wrestling with her for a good

> > part of the afternoon...

> > OMG! Not knowing WHAT is making her behave this way is extremely

> > stressful...Could be PMSing, could just be what she needed to do today...Not

> > sure, But DEF not liking it. No camp tomorrow...Down time needed to

> > regroup, and try to figure out WTH is happening here. Nurse comes at 10

> > am..BSC coming..maybe her MT as well.

> >

> > Oh, and my right wrist is now really messed up!

> >

> > Sorry, just had to let it all out!

> > --

> > *Liz DeSantis

> > *

> >

> > Let me win, but if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt. - Special

> > Olympics Motto-RIP Eunice Kennedy Shriver

> >

> > " When we long for life without difficulties, remind us that oaks grow strong

> > in contrary winds and diamonds are made under pressure.-Author Unknown

> >

> > " Knowing trees, I understand the meaning of patience. Knowing grass, I can

> > understand persistence. " - Hal Borland

> >

> >

> >