canker sores

[Guest guest]

Too much acid.

R

[Guest guest]

stress can kick up your viral load and or decrease your immune

support. Sometimes just not maintaining enough L-Lysine in your

system or not getting it through your diet. I believe there are other

remedies beside lysine for canker sores.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: tinalunabean <lolabryn@...>

> < >

> Date: 11/5/2004 4:49:17 PM

> Subject: [ ] canker sores

>

>

>

> Hello all. What causes canker sores? Too much stomach acid, too much

> worrying, viral? Thanks.

>

> Tina

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd check into food allergies ESPECIALLY gluten. ~Robin

[Guest guest]

> I have been getting canker sores a lot recently after not having them

> for a long time. I used to get them frequently as a child, and not all

> of a sudden I keep getting them and they take long time to heal.

> Miserable! I have read that stress plays a part in them, which I

> interpret as meaning a sub par immune system.

>

> Are they associated with any deficiencys? Is there anything that

> prevents them or helps them go away faster? Thanks.

Hey Johannah, I tend to get canker sores when I overeat carbs,

especially sweets, bread and chocolate; nuts and chocolate, which are

high in the amino acid arginine, set my mother off. Stress makes me

more susceptible, and so do spiky foods like toast, which create the

initial wound that turns into a canker sore in some conditions.

While you're figuring it out, you can often calm them down with

supplemental L-lysine; I take tablets but there is a nice salve out

that my mother adores:

http://www.quantumhealth.com/productgroups/coldsore.html (I have zero

commercial interest, just a less-cranky mother)

While canker sores are different from oral herpes lesions, herpes can

also be aggravated by high argininine/low lysine, so herpes support

websites sometimes have information on arginine/lysine balance in

food, like this: http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml

If you want to go an herbal route, you could numb with diluted clove

oil or use a demulcent tea like marshmallow root or slippery elm. The

dental school here is doing a study on those liquorice disks you hold

in your mouth; I was a subject and they at least help with the pain,

if not the healing time. Though I can't think of the name, a

pharmacist or HFS employee could probably track them down .

Ora-something.

HTH.

--

Persi M. Mon

superfruit@...

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" A 5-year-old could understand this! Fetch me a 5-year-old! "

[Guest guest]

Johannah Foss <januce@e...> wrote:

> I have been getting canker sores a lot recently after not having

them

> for a long time. I used to get them frequently as a child, and not

all

> of a sudden I keep getting them and they take long time to heal.

Hello ~Johannah

This is a quick remedy that works wonders. Lick your finger. Put it in

salt, any salt. And rub it on the canker sore. It will hurt like hell

for a bit, so much that you may want to do this over the sink, so you

can let the saliva run out of your mouth as you're gasping. If you do

this at night, just before you go to bed, you will notice tremendous

improvement. I would apply in the morning too!

Gayle

[Guest guest]

>This is a quick remedy that works wonders. Lick your finger. Put it in

>salt, any salt. And rub it on the canker sore. It will hurt like hell

>for a bit, so much that you may want to do this over the sink, so you

>can let the saliva run out of your mouth as you're gasping. If you do

>this at night, just before you go to bed, you will notice tremendous

>improvement. I would apply in the morning too!

>

>Gayle

Listerine works too. Maybe there's a bacteria involved?

Canker sores are considered a symptom of celiac disease ...

I don't know what else they may be a symptom of. The

fact they occur where the saliva sits makes me wonder if

it is the IgA in the saliva that is attacking the mucous

membranes in the mouth (which is what the IgA does in

the intestines). Anyway, my dd stopped getting them

*totally* when we changed our diet to GF, except

for once when Grandma gave her some ice cream with

malt in it and a couple of times eating at a friend's house.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>

> Canker sores are considered a symptom of celiac disease ...

> I don't know what else they may be a symptom of. The

> fact they occur where the saliva sits makes me wonder if

> it is the IgA in the saliva that is attacking the mucous

> membranes in the mouth (which is what the IgA does in

> the intestines). Anyway, my dd stopped getting them

> *totally* when we changed our diet to GF, except

> for once when Grandma gave her some ice cream with

> malt in it and a couple of times eating at a friend's house.

>

>

> Heidi Jean

When I eat something that I'm not totally sure is gluten free and

then get canker sores, I try to figure out exactly what it was and

I've been using the Pascalite clay, as mud, on the spot - tastes

like mud, but the sore goes away pretty quickly and it doesn't hurt,

just a bit gritty.

I use " canker sores all the way down " to explain " atrophied villi " .

Connie

[Guest guest]

>When I eat something that I'm not totally sure is gluten free and

>then get canker sores, I try to figure out exactly what it was and

>I've been using the Pascalite clay, as mud, on the spot - tastes

>like mud, but the sore goes away pretty quickly and it doesn't hurt,

>just a bit gritty.

Huh. I didn't think of that! The Pascalite works on sores on

the outside of the body pretty well too.

>I use " canker sores all the way down " to explain " atrophied villi " .

>Connie

Ooooh. That fits, but it hurts even to think it ... graphic!

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...I'm not sure I've had these sores, but I have found that

spraying Chloraseptic (sp?) on a sore spot in my mouth right before

going to bed almost always fixes the problem by morning.

>

> > I have been getting canker sores a lot recently after not having

> them

> > for a long time. I used to get them frequently as a child, and not

> all

> > of a sudden I keep getting them and they take long time to heal.

>

> Hello ~Johannah

>

> This is a quick remedy that works wonders. Lick your finger. Put it in

> salt, any salt. And rub it on the canker sore. It will hurt like hell

> for a bit, so much that you may want to do this over the sink, so you

> can let the saliva run out of your mouth as you're gasping. If you do

> this at night, just before you go to bed, you will notice tremendous

> improvement. I would apply in the morning too!

>

> Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hi All

I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As a

result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I would continue to take folic acid during your break and take the most your

physician will allow when you resume the MTX.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] canker sores

> Hi All

> I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As a

> result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

> mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

> but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

> mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I would continue to take folic acid during your break and take the most your

physician will allow when you resume the MTX.

Not an MD

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] canker sores

> Hi All

> I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As a

> result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

> mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

> but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

> mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi. I get canker sores right before I start my period. Years ago, I discovered a

way to control them. As soon as I " feel " one coming, I eat about 5 tums w/

calcium, and the next day, they are all gone. Plus, I get the extra dose of

calcium. It has really worked great for me. I haven't had any major volcanoes in

my mouth for years.

~Rainy

jjuddyy <jjuddyy@...> wrote:

Hi All

I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As a

result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I don't take the medications you do, but I get canker sores alot for some

reason. I use something my Grandma used to use. Its called " Alum " you can

find it in the spice isle at the grocery store. I have no idea what you

could possibly use this gross tasting stuff for to cook, its very bitter!

You just put a little on the sores and you'll be spitting it out alot, but

reapply a few times. Mine are usually cleared up in a couple days.

-- Re: [ ] canker sores

Hi. I get canker sores right before I start my period. Years ago, I

discovered a way to control them. As soon as I " feel " one coming, I eat

about 5 tums w/ calcium, and the next day, they are all gone. Plus, I get

the extra dose of calcium. It has really worked great for me. I haven't had

any major volcanoes in my mouth for years.

~Rainy

jjuddyy <jjuddyy@...> wrote:

Hi All

I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As a

result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I used to get them too, 6-8 at a time every week. My rheumatologist

just kept upping the folic acid until I quit getting them. I take

twice as much the day of and day after the MTX and I never get them

anymore...some people take 5 or more mg daily to prevent this. Check

with your doctor. A paste of alum works quite well when you do have

them, but it tastes terrible.

Lexi.

> Hi All

> I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As

a

> result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

> mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

> but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

> mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I used to get them too, 6-8 at a time every week. My rheumatologist

just kept upping the folic acid until I quit getting them. I take

twice as much the day of and day after the MTX and I never get them

anymore...some people take 5 or more mg daily to prevent this. Check

with your doctor. A paste of alum works quite well when you do have

them, but it tastes terrible.

Lexi.

> Hi All

> I have recently gone back on Methrotrexate after an 8 year break. As

a

> result I am currently plagued with canker sores on the walls of my

> mouth and on my tongue. I am taking folic acid and llyscine for them,

> but they really never go away. I have stopped taking Methro to give

> mouth a brake. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

They can be caused from viral infections, and contrary to what some doctors have

told me in the past, they are not because of having chicken pox (herpes virus

related) because 4 of mine did not have them (chicken pox). I did some research

a while back and found that they are more likely than not (when occurring inside

the mouth) autoimmune disorders.

Swish with salt water (for symptomatic relief), avoid acidic juices (they

burn),and reduce stress and get rid of the viruses and they go away quickly. We

have them. They are autoimmune related in us for sure. I also have gotten

apthous ulcers (cankers in the throat), which is very indicative of autoimmune

disorder. Doctors are just out there to treat the symptoms and give med.'s. They

can give your child a prescription anbesol type numbing creme, which is

difficult to keep on the correct place. A swish rinse that numbs is effective,

but only for 15 minute intervals.

I hope that gives you the information you need or were seeking?

>

> Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores? My son (4yrs) has had 5

canker sores since Oct. of '08. I asked our dr about it, he just said he'd make

a note of it. I know that at least 2 of the canker sores came around the same

time as some " virus " . He's got one right now (virus (fever/cough)and canker

sore). He says they don't hurt(high pain tolerance), but they look awfully

painful! Anyone know of a " cure " for canker sores? Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

[Guest guest]

my sister grew up getting them..my 10 year old gets them when theres a cold

coming on. they are a form of herpes. There are some OTC stuff out there if you

check the pharmacy or health food store. They also seem to show up when he's

stressed and not taking vitamins or eating as many fruits and veggies.

>

> Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores?

[Guest guest]

Maureen,

I hate to be so blunt, but you are incorrect in your statements.

Here is a link that may help you understand that canker sores are NOT

herpes,which is a common misconception.

http://www.zimbio.com/Health+And+Wealth/articles/186/More+Cold+Sores+Canker+Sore\

s+Dr+Mercola

> >

> > Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores?

>

[Guest guest]

here is another link about canker sores you might find interesting.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000998.htm

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't typical, She's Trisha!

From:

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: canker sores

Maureen,

I hate to be so blunt, but you are incorrect in your statements.

Here is a link that may help you understand that canker sores are NOT

herpes,which is a common misconception.

http://www.zimbio.com/Health+And+Wealth/articles/186/More+Cold+Sores+Canker+Sore\

s+Dr+Mercola

> >

> > Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores?

>

[Guest guest]

Canker sores are not a form of herpes unless you have herpes simplex I and then

they can become herpetic canker sores! Canker sores are ulcerations. It is

important to know what kind of canker sore you have - steroids help canker sores

where steroids exacerbate herpetic sores.

[ ] Re: canker sores

my sister grew up getting them..my 10 year old gets them when theres a cold

coming on. they are a form of herpes. There are some OTC stuff out there if you

check the pharmacy or health food store. They also seem to show up when he's

stressed and not taking vitamins or eating as many fruits and veggies.

>

> Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores?

[Guest guest]

Whatever!! Thats what the Pediatrician told me when my son got them...I guess

they're wrong too!

> > >

> > > Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Canker sores are not herpes, but Cold Sores are and they are contagious. Canker

sores are inside the mouth and cold sores are outside the mouth.

A canker sore is completely different than a cold sore. Canker sores are not

caused by a virus. It's still 100% known not known what exactly causes canker

sores, but foods, mouthwashes, toothpastes, mouth trauma (many people prone to

canker sores get one every time they bit their lip), and simple body chemistry

are thought to cause some canker sores. Canker sores are usually red with a

solid whitish/yellow center, whereas cold sores are usually very irregular with

many blisters.

A lot of people group the two together, however. A cold sure is caused by

herpes only, and almost all the time, HSV1. 99.9% of the time they occur on the

outside of the mouth, usually at the edge of the lips and occurs as a cluster of

blisters that opens and then scabs over. Canker sores are inside the mouth

only, and usually occur on the roof of the mouth, inside the cheek, and inside

your lower lip, but can occur other places inside the mouth as well.

So basically, canker sore is almost always inside the mouth, and isn't caused by

herpes, nor is it contagious.

Cold sores are almost always outside the mouth, and caused by HSV1, and are

contagious.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maureen,

Your pediatrician was incorrect, as unfortunately, a lot of doctors say " Herpes

related " or " Chicken Pox " related. Doctors can be wrong, too.

Someone here originally asked for help. I gave the answer. It is autoimmune

related. Take it or leave it...it is the answer.

You know, I have noticed that several people on this forum do not want to be

confused with the facts. I am not meaning to sound rude, but there is no sense

in you screaming " Whatever!! " at me.

I am just giving the information I know that has been asked for...that is all.

And I am sorry that has angered you.

>

> Whatever!! Thats what the Pediatrician told me when my son got them...I guess

they're wrong too!

>

[Guest guest]

With all I've been thru with my daughter-- that is NOT being Blunt! Blunt is for

bad news from a doctor or time for anohter surgery or the school district

telling me they've decided to cut PT from her IEP....giving a difference of

opinion is not being blunt. sorry to ruin your day.

>

> Maureen,

> I hate to be so blunt,