Re: SI strategy that is intriguing

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How do you get teachers to even consider that behavior is anything but

open defiance? They insist that he is NOT overloaded, that he does not

appear to have problems with sensory overload, that he is just refusing

to do somethign that he has proven that he CAN do, just doens't feel

like it! I even heard the dreaded line " WE are the experts, here, Mrs.

Stolz! "

Suggestions?

S

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Is it possible that he thinks it's TOO easy? plays those games with me

when he knows something. He doesn't really realize that other people aren't " in

his head " and thinking the same thoughts that he does. He figures if he knows

it, everyone knows he knows it. I've had to tell him a few times that I was

going to keep asking him the same question over and over until he answered it so

that I knew he knew it.

Just a suggestion. I got that from a beautician years before I knew was

autistic (or could be). His son was autistic and he commented about the not

testing well because of the same reason.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome and ?

, 17 months and Strong Willed

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At 08:11 AM 12/10/00 -0800, you wrote:

>How do you get teachers to even consider that behavior is anything but

>open defiance? They insist that he is NOT overloaded, that he does not

>appear to have problems with sensory overload, that he is just refusing

>to do somethign that he has proven that he CAN do, just doens't feel

>like it! I even heard the dreaded line " WE are the experts, here, Mrs.

>Stolz! "

>Suggestions?

YOu could also use it as a reward. Positive Behavior Support rather than

negative reinforcer. Those are the words I would use. Figure out your

child's typical attention span and to be honest, it's then that a child

with sensory issues will need a break.

Another suggestion is to consult with someone who understands these issues

or Positive support and functional behavior analysis and bring that

information to the team--outside professional, not " just mom. "

Also, In her book, Hodgdon explains that kids with autism who need

different strategies (her book is on visual strategies) are often described

in the manner you are listing. Your words might even be a quote. She

contends this often happens becaues the modality used for learning is

inappropriate.

Take me to your IEP. I'll talk them blue and present them with professional

literature. ....they're wrong. A kid is not by nature " naughty. " Given

what they need to be supported, with a focus on what it is you want them to

do rather than on what you don't want them to do, kids will improve. Your

child *wants* to please people--he doesn't want to tick them off. That's,

of course, just my opinion.

j

[Guest guest]

PS--I also agree with Lori that it is possible he's bored. But you'll know

that too...since you know him better than anyone.

(Andy leaves the room or stims when he's bored stiff.)

[Guest guest]

Well this is a mumble jumble post so I'm not sure what the subject

should be.

First, L are you there? I had been on digest and deletion mode for

a long time (I confess) so when I read your advice I wasn't sure who you

were and i was getting ready to kill myself if you turned out to be a

parent AND such a level headed, logical and oganized thinker. If you

come to Florida I will consider giving up homeschooling and let you take

over. Heck I'll even let you stay up all night for three nights in a row

with (while I sleep) just to give you a better perspective on why

parents do some of the things they do LOL...JOKING!

~ I responded to your comments about Sundberg but they didn't go

thru. Anyway I was very happy to have that feedback from you.

I had school last night with as she was in the mood and we had so

much dang fun!! It's so different than it was with NACD. There is no

punishment involved; it is errorless learning so there is no frustration

on her or my part...just have to make sure to stop BEFORE she wants

to.Even if it's only after a 30 second session. We don't actually sit at

the table~ we move around and do alot standing by the table. I have to

be sure to start and end her with something easy, something she can do

successfully and get a big reward for. Her battered little self esteem

is waaaay up now and she is sooo proud of herself and I am so proud of

her. She can learn so fast this way.

She is " coming here " when I say " come here " ...First time!! She is

beginning to unlearn alot of bad habits we had. She used to " ask " for

something and we'd say " no " then she'd pester us until we finally

relented. Bad parenting but what can I say.

My hubby likes to have looong conversations with her about why she can't

have something, none of which she understands, and then he gives in to

her anyway. sigh. So there are new rules in effect. Say No ONE TIME only

and ignore anything after that even if I have to leave the room.

The verbal behavior analysis is so much more freeform and family

friendly than the typical Lovaas model. We are very happy with it. There

is still alot of making and collecting materials and data taking but

I'm catching on slowly. Why? bcause i am getting such positive

reinforcement hehe.

Back to " school "

Sherry

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In a message dated 12/10/00 11:10:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jmedlen@... writes:

<< Speaking of that....www.smarterkids.com is having a big sale. You might

want to peek there.

j

>>

Cool sight Joan, thanks! Think I will make a quiet corner for ME! LOL

Gail

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At 11:45 PM 12/10/00 EST, you wrote:

>Cool sight Joan, thanks! Think I will make a quiet corner for ME! LOL

Yeah...I was thinking of playing the calming mozart music every day while

cooking dinner................

j

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In a message dated 12/10/00 11:10:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jmedlen@... writes:

<<

While we were talking, she told me about her friend who has a " quiet

corner. " Basically, when I child appears to becoming " overloaded, " she

whispers to him, " It's your turn for the quiet corner. " In the corner, she

has a bean bag chair and another chair >>

Maddie had a box when she was in school at KC. They built this giant box

(they called it her SI box) and cut out windows on all sides. They covered

the windows with yellow, green, blue and red paper and decorated it. Inside

the box were all Maddie's favorite things. When she was overloaded (which

happened every day at some point), they'd pull out the box and she'd go in

and hang. There was a hole at the top so she could pop out and peek at what

was going on around her and decide if she was ready to re-join the group.

She would stay typically for 10 to 15 minutes and come out feeling refreshed

and ready for more school. Worked like a charm.

Donna

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donna and cindy,

this box for maddie and the corner sounds great.....i am actually looking for an

old claw foot bath tub for ashton to use as her meltdown/relax spot.. my mom had

one in her spec ed class many many years ago.... she had pillows in it and she

had a basket next to it with boooks and neat stuff.....ashton likes to get into

the tub, no water and just lay sometimes with the curtain closed and lights

out......strange kid...she would love it, plus it would make a neat reading

area..... climb in and read away... dh thinks i am nuts...... who cares, long as

it benefits ms. prissy....take care all........leah-off to get ashtons hair

cut........ikes shawna i need your calgon

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well first they need to get that expert thing out of their heads, i would of

blown up at them!!!! excuse me the only experts of our kids is each of us as

a parent!! We know every little nook and crany of our kids, the schools just

see a small portion of our kids. Do you have an advocate mary? shawna.

Re: SI strategy that is intriguing

> How do you get teachers to even consider that behavior is anything but

> open defiance? They insist that he is NOT overloaded, that he does not

> appear to have problems with sensory overload, that he is just refusing

> to do somethign that he has proven that he CAN do, just doens't feel

> like it! I even heard the dreaded line " WE are the experts, here, Mrs.

> Stolz! "

> Suggestions?

> S

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