RE: intentionally popping joints

[Guest guest]

Maybe you answered this yourself - " He tenses up his whole body looking for

stimulation " .

-Is it the reaction from you? The hardest thing to control, but to break this,

react in a different way - put the interaction in before he pops. (Yes sooo much

easier said than done, I know). But giving what he wants reinforces behaviour.

- Is it the sensation of the joint popping? Harder to replace. Maybe some

sensory integration work led by OT?

Maybe it's habit?

SUggest A-B-C chart - what happens before, during and after. This can really

point out patterns, give information to aid solution.

Have worked with self injourous kids, can be very scary. Maybe get third person

to observe? You will solve it, caring enough to begin to address it is first

step.

Emma

To:

From: kellysemail@...

Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:43:04 -0500

Subject: intentionally popping joints

Have any or do any of your kids intentionally pop their joints?

Ewww - is 3 yo (cog/phys 6 months) About a year ago he would

tense up and pop his ankle

He stopped that after about 3 months. This past week he has been popping

his left knee. He tenses

Up his whole body looking for stimulation and pops his knee to the point of

hearing it across the room.

Today he has done it at least 20 times. It must hurt some of the time

because he will cry hard a few times.

I am looking for ideas on how to stop it? Ace bandage? Some type of

compression pants??

Anyone know about this and what may work?

Thank you

* - 3 yrs (T21/Autism/Seizure Disorder/Sensory Processing

Dysfunction)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I was teaching, I did have several kiddos over the years that would do as

you describe. (My background is in the birth to age 5 age group) Since every

child is an individual; the causes & the protocols for addressing issues like

this will differ.

I suggest a team consultation with both a private OT & a PT as soon as possible.

I suggest both because the OT & PT can coordinate any necessary treatment plans

as well as provide sensory and joint assessment. Both can also provide low tech

aids and/or teach you things like joint compression techniques IF required.

I apologize for being " vague " about this but I am doing so because what you

describe needs to be assessed by licensed medical providers asap to insure first

that there are no joint issues BEFORE any treatment plan is put into place.

The OT & PT should not be through the school system but rather through a medical

facility for the joint assessment. Any treatment plan that is put into place can

& should then be followed by the school system's OT/PT/teacher(s). This can be

added to the current IFSP (copy of the assessment & any treatment plan)

Beings with Down syndrome have very " loose " joints which may at times result in

dislocations (esp. wrists, elbows, hips, knees, ankles), so I think you

understand why I am suggesting a consult with joint assessment prior to

implementing a treatment plan...

I hope this helps some. Please keep us posted on any outcomes.

Hugs to you,

Kris, mom to DJ who will be 16 (gasp) on May 30th

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>

>

> Have any or do any of your kids intentionally pop their joints?

>

> Ewww - is 3 yo (cog/phys 6 months) About a year ago he would

> tense up and pop his ankle

>

> He stopped that after about 3 months. This past week he has been popping

> his left knee. He tenses

>

> Up his whole body looking for stimulation and pops his knee to the point of

> hearing it across the room.

>

> Today he has done it at least 20 times. It must hurt some of the time

> because he will cry hard a few times.

>

> I am looking for ideas on how to stop it? Ace bandage? Some type of

> compression pants??

>

>

>

> Anyone know about this and what may work?

>

>

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

> * - 3 yrs (T21/Autism/Seizure Disorder/Sensory Processing

> Dysfunction)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

Tori is a professional hip popper! She has done this her entire 11 years!

She mainly does it when she stresses...and has total control oer doing it

and yes, lots of our kids do it. However, it is very unhealthy because our

kids tend to have shallow hip sockets, whereby when they " pop " them (they

are actually dislocating them) they are not slipping out to the side as you

would " typically " expect them to, but they pop out the back. This is

dangerous, as per Dr. W. Sankur-Ortho Hip Specialist at CHOP (specializing

in DS) because at some point the hip will get stuck behind the socket and

cause excruciating pain. Tori is in line to get her hips pinned...once we

get her knees corrected. She currently has a closed dislocation of her

right knee with a tear in her meniscus. We are going to repair this during

the summer. Then, we will work on her left knee (which has come out

before), then her hips, then her severely pronated feet.

Hope this helps..

Liz

Mom to Tori

11 yrs.

DS/ASD/OCD/ODD/GERD/Hashimotos/and many more acronyms

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>

>

> Hi ,

> When I was teaching, I did have several kiddos over the years that would do

> as you describe. (My background is in the birth to age 5 age group) Since

> every child is an individual; the causes & the protocols for addressing

> issues like this will differ.

>

> I suggest a team consultation with both a private OT & a PT as soon as

> possible. I suggest both because the OT & PT can coordinate any necessary

> treatment plans as well as provide sensory and joint assessment. Both can

> also provide low tech aids and/or teach you things like joint compression

> techniques IF required.

>

> I apologize for being " vague " about this but I am doing so because what you

> describe needs to be assessed by licensed medical providers asap to insure

> first that there are no joint issues BEFORE any treatment plan is put into

> place.

>

> The OT & PT should not be through the school system but rather through a

> medical facility for the joint assessment. Any treatment plan that is put

> into place can & should then be followed by the school system's

> OT/PT/teacher(s). This can be added to the current IFSP (copy of the

> assessment & any treatment plan)

>

> Beings with Down syndrome have very " loose " joints which may at times

> result in dislocations (esp. wrists, elbows, hips, knees, ankles), so I

> think you understand why I am suggesting a consult with joint assessment

> prior to implementing a treatment plan...

>

> I hope this helps some. Please keep us posted on any outcomes.

>

> Hugs to you,

> Kris, mom to DJ who will be 16 (gasp) on May 30th

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Have any or do any of your kids intentionally pop their joints?

> >

> > Ewww - is 3 yo (cog/phys 6 months) About a year ago he would

> > tense up and pop his ankle

> >

> > He stopped that after about 3 months. This past week he has been popping

> > his left knee. He tenses

> >

> > Up his whole body looking for stimulation and pops his knee to the point

> of

> > hearing it across the room.

> >

> > Today he has done it at least 20 times. It must hurt some of the time

> > because he will cry hard a few times.

> >

> > I am looking for ideas on how to stop it? Ace bandage? Some type of

> > compression pants??

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyone know about this and what may work?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > * - 3 yrs (T21/Autism/Seizure Disorder/Sensory Processing

> > Dysfunction)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Are you referring to " popping " as in knocking them in and out of the sockets? I

am double jointed in my hips and can, if I want to, pop it in and out.

Or do you mean " cracking " the joints as one might do to the knuckles on their

hand? My son does this to his neck, wrists, hips, shoulders and back. He

wriggles his body and it sounds like popcorn exploding.

I just took him for a physical and the doctor thinks it could be some sort of

tic. My son has had a variety of tics throughout his life. Doc is looking into

it as my concern was that he could hurt himself, especially the way he cracks

his neck. He holds his chin and the top and pushes it sideways in a way that he

practically touches his ear to his shoulder (which is relaxed and lowered not

shrugged).

Blessings,

>

> Hi ,

> When I was teaching, I did have several kiddos over the years that would do as

you describe. (My background is in the birth to age 5 age group) Since every

child is an individual; the causes & the protocols for addressing issues like

this will differ.

>

> I suggest a team consultation with both a private OT & a PT as soon as

possible. I suggest both because the OT & PT can coordinate any necessary

treatment plans as well as provide sensory and joint assessment. Both can also

provide low tech aids and/or teach you things like joint compression techniques

IF required.

>

> I apologize for being " vague " about this but I am doing so because what you

describe needs to be assessed by licensed medical providers asap to insure first

that there are no joint issues BEFORE any treatment plan is put into place.

>

> The OT & PT should not be through the school system but rather through a

medical facility for the joint assessment. Any treatment plan that is put into

place can & should then be followed by the school system's OT/PT/teacher(s).

This can be added to the current IFSP (copy of the assessment & any treatment

plan)

>

> Beings with Down syndrome have very " loose " joints which may at times result

in dislocations (esp. wrists, elbows, hips, knees, ankles), so I think you

understand why I am suggesting a consult with joint assessment prior to

implementing a treatment plan...

>

> I hope this helps some. Please keep us posted on any outcomes.

>

> Hugs to you,

> Kris, mom to DJ who will be 16 (gasp) on May 30th

>

>>

>>

>>

>> Have any or do any of your kids intentionally pop their joints?

>>

>> Ewww - is 3 yo (cog/phys 6 months) About a year ago he would

>> tense up and pop his ankle

>>

>> He stopped that after about 3 months. This past week he has been popping

>> his left knee. He tenses

>>

>> Up his whole body looking for stimulation and pops his knee to the point of

>> hearing it across the room.

>>

>> Today he has done it at least 20 times. It must hurt some of the time

>> because he will cry hard a few times.

>>

>> I am looking for ideas on how to stop it? Ace bandage? Some type of

>> compression pants??

>>

>>

>>

>> Anyone know about this and what may work?

>>

>>

>>

>> Thank you

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> * - 3 yrs (T21/Autism/Seizure Disorder/Sensory Processing

>> Dysfunction)

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

: My Tori actually dislocates her hips...

Liz

>

>

> Are you referring to " popping " as in knocking them in and out of the

> sockets? I am double jointed in my hips and can, if I want to, pop it in and

> out.

> Or do you mean " cracking " the joints as one might do to the knuckles on

> their hand? My son does this to his neck, wrists, hips, shoulders and back.

> He wriggles his body and it sounds like popcorn exploding.

> I just took him for a physical and the doctor thinks it could be some sort

> of tic. My son has had a variety of tics throughout his life. Doc is looking

> into it as my concern was that he could hurt himself, especially the way he

> cracks his neck. He holds his chin and the top and pushes it sideways in a

> way that he practically touches his ear to his shoulder (which is relaxed

> and lowered not shrugged).

>

> Blessings,

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> > When I was teaching, I did have several kiddos over the years that would

> do as you describe. (My background is in the birth to age 5 age group) Since

> every child is an individual; the causes & the protocols for addressing

> issues like this will differ.

> >

> > I suggest a team consultation with both a private OT & a PT as soon as

> possible. I suggest both because the OT & PT can coordinate any necessary

> treatment plans as well as provide sensory and joint assessment. Both can

> also provide low tech aids and/or teach you things like joint compression

> techniques IF required.

> >

> > I apologize for being " vague " about this but I am doing so because what

> you describe needs to be assessed by licensed medical providers asap to

> insure first that there are no joint issues BEFORE any treatment plan is put

> into place.

> >

> > The OT & PT should not be through the school system but rather through a

> medical facility for the joint assessment. Any treatment plan that is put

> into place can & should then be followed by the school system's

> OT/PT/teacher(s). This can be added to the current IFSP (copy of the

> assessment & any treatment plan)

> >

> > Beings with Down syndrome have very " loose " joints which may at times

> result in dislocations (esp. wrists, elbows, hips, knees, ankles), so I

> think you understand why I am suggesting a consult with joint assessment

> prior to implementing a treatment plan...

> >

> > I hope this helps some. Please keep us posted on any outcomes.

> >

> > Hugs to you,

> > Kris, mom to DJ who will be 16 (gasp) on May 30th

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Have any or do any of your kids intentionally pop their joints?

> >>

> >> Ewww - is 3 yo (cog/phys 6 months) About a year ago he would

> >> tense up and pop his ankle

> >>

> >> He stopped that after about 3 months. This past week he has been popping

> >> his left knee. He tenses

> >>

> >> Up his whole body looking for stimulation and pops his knee to the point

> of

> >> hearing it across the room.

> >>

> >> Today he has done it at least 20 times. It must hurt some of the time

> >> because he will cry hard a few times.

> >>

> >> I am looking for ideas on how to stop it? Ace bandage? Some type of

> >> compression pants??

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Anyone know about this and what may work?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Thank you

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> * - 3 yrs (T21/Autism/Seizure Disorder/Sensory Processing

> >> Dysfunction)

> >>

> >>

> >>

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