Re: Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

[Guest guest]

I remember these days! Jake was the king of raspberries! It drove us

nuts.

This is what I remember. I think this is more of a oral/sensory thing that

needs to be addressed. Pressure around and in her mouth. I used just a

gentle rubbing with my fingers and also, Jake used to love old nubby wash

clothes. I know a few of our kids would chew socks. Not the most

appropriate thing but hey, we pick our battles. Jake had a love of flip

flop shoes. The cheap ones. I finally came across those foam door hangers

that kids decorate. I could buy them at walmart. Jake would flap, pat, and

chew on it and the spitting stopped at least it slowed down. Also, before

we were gluten free, twizzler candies. Something for her to chew to keep

her mouth occupied. Also, we chose to ignore when we were at home. If were

not in public we let him go to town blowing razzberries. You might talk to

your occupational therapist about oral sensory suggestions.

Holly

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:57 PM, puppetsbycher wrote:

>

>

> I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

> I appreciate it more then words can say.

> I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the

> same problem that I have been going through.

> Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a

> topic.

>

> My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. (

> Gabby is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

> (She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

> What She's doing is like a spray spit.

> She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

> But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do

> this and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not

> stop!

> I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so

> I could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

>

> If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

> She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a

> smile.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

> These are the things we have tried.

>

> *Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

>

> *Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this

> as well )

>

> * Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and

> telling her if you want to spit.. spit here.

> Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

>

> I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1

> who's 22 )

> For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they

> understood and punishment worked.

> With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats

> me gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

>

> Help! Any ideas?

>

> Hugs and a pat,

> Cher

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cher,

Welcome, I started a response to you many times but it seems that I have had so

many disruptions and distractions that I quit. I am the Mom of an 18 yr old son

that does not have autism, just ds, thrown together with some ocd,sensory issues

and a bit of anxiety. I have been on this list for the ? past 10 yrs. It was the

expertise of this group that gave a name to ocd, sensory issues etc. I had no

idea what may be going on with my son and why. Their support was more than I

could have ever asked for and expected. I didn't know at that time that the

school staff was not truthful nor were they treating my son very well. The

behaviors were becoming more than I could handle hence I found this list

thinking maybe he was on the spectrum. He isn't and I haven't left the group. I

tend to be the go to school person on the list. It's good that you and the

teacher seem to know the function of the behavior(spitting), however where is

the positive behavioral support

that would teach a replacement behavior? Time out is not a positive behavioral

support together with bringing her to the bathroom sink, taking away a favorite

activity and having you come into school. If the function of the behavior is to

be funny then the teacher needs to find another behavior that is funny and more

acceptable to replace the spitting. I think with a little effort it can be done.

It's the school's problem, not yours. You do not have this behavior at home.

Make them accountable and do their job.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 18

Subject: Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

To:

Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 6:57 PM

 

I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

I appreciate it more then words can say.

I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the same

problem that I have been going through.

Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a topic.

My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. ( Gabby

is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

(She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

What She's doing is like a spray spit.

She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do this

and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not stop!

I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so I

could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a smile.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

These are the things we have tried.

*Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

*Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this as

well )

* Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and telling her

if you want to spit.. spit here.

Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1 who's 22

)

For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they understood and

punishment worked.

With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats me

gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

Help! Any ideas?

Hugs and a pat,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Hi Cher:

Like Charlyne I have been meaning to write and say welcome but it's one

thing to read a post and another to find clarity of mind to post on a topic!

I have two boys, both with DS and with other issues best described as PDD.

Isaac, the 14 year old is very high functioning and he still gives everyone

the raspberries for an opinion. We have tried to get him to stop but in the

great scope of things it isn't as bad as swearing or other negative

behaviors. Isaac can go for a week between doing it but when he is without

words, he will do it. And he seems to do it at school when other kids are

making fun of him or arguing. Tony, the 12 year old, with do it because

Isaac does it. Time out does work for Tony as well as a reminder to use his

words. We say, " say that makes me mad " or " that isn't fair " but spitting

isn't okay. Time-outs, as well as a reminder of what to do work with Tony.

Isaac is going to do it even though he gets detentions at school for doing

it. I asked around at the DS teen group and there are other kids who still

do this.

I think Isaac would have stopped a long time ago if he got the support at

school that he needs. He is having one of those years where the teacher

doesn't understand him and doesn't want to and hasn't followed his IEP

and....you know. Most years start out shaky for him but by this point in

the school year, most teachers have him figured out. Not this year. Plus,

we are in Wisconsin and are going to have to cut a billion dollars in

education for next year. They already try to mainstream Isaac without an

aide, I can only imagine this will get worse.

I do agree with Charlyene that it seems Gabby might stop if she had a better

way of initiating an interaction with her teachers. For Isaac and Tony,

being reminded to say what they disagree with is key. It seems as if Gabby

wants a laugh and to say hello to her teachers and doesn't know how. If the

teacher said, " no spitting, give me a fist bump " it might decrease the

behavior. I think everyone always thinks consequence/punitive response

first and we really should be thinking about a positive way of reducing a

behavior.

Lori

Mom to Isaac 14 and Tony 12

Madison, Wisconsin

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Of charlyne1121@...

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:04 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

Hi Cher,

Welcome, I started a response to you many times but it seems that I have had

so many disruptions and distractions that I quit. I am the Mom of an 18 yr

old son that does not have autism, just ds, thrown together with some

ocd,sensory issues and a bit of anxiety. I have been on this list for the ?

past 10 yrs. It was the expertise of this group that gave a name to ocd,

sensory issues etc. I had no idea what may be going on with my son and why.

Their support was more than I could have ever asked for and expected. I

didn't know at that time that the school staff was not truthful nor were

they treating my son very well. The behaviors were becoming more than I

could handle hence I found this list thinking maybe he was on the spectrum.

He isn't and I haven't left the group. I tend to be the go to school person

on the list. It's good that you and the teacher seem to know the function of

the behavior(spitting), however where is the positive behavioral support

that would teach a replacement behavior? Time out is not a positive

behavioral support together with bringing her to the bathroom sink, taking

away a favorite activity and having you come into school. If the function of

the behavior is to be funny then the teacher needs to find another behavior

that is funny and more acceptable to replace the spitting. I think with a

little effort it can be done. It's the school's problem, not yours. You do

not have this behavior at home. Make them accountable and do their job.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 18

From: puppetsbycher <puppetsbycher@...

<mailto:puppetsbycher%40yahoo.com> >

Subject: Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

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Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 6:57 PM

I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

I appreciate it more then words can say.

I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the

same problem that I have been going through.

Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a

topic.

My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. (

Gabby is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

(She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

What She's doing is like a spray spit.

She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do

this and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not

stop!

I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so I

could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a smile.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

These are the things we have tried.

*Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

*Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this

as well )

* Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and telling

her if you want to spit.. spit here.

Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1 who's

22 )

For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they understood

and punishment worked.

With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats

me gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

Help! Any ideas?

Hugs and a pat,

Cher

[Guest guest]

When Darwyn (6) is being mischievious to get attention we've found the best

thing is to stop him just before he does it (not easy but usually there's a look

he gets right before he throws something or hits)or as soon as possible and to

show no emotion or response and to immediately distract him (maybe by singing

his favourite song). If he throws a toy once, he seems to feel compelled to do

it repeatedly. Its like his mind gets stuck on repeat of the behaviour that

elicited noise and a big response.

Punishment seems to have no effect although lately I've been fake crying after

he hits me and he gets upset and cries too. Its comical and a little sad as he

genuinely gets distressed. Up until a year ago he rarely cried,but he's very

interested in the idea of people being sad and crying. When a kid cries on the

playground he is both fascinated and distressed. I'm not sure its the best

response, but it does stop the hitting (which always gets bad by the end of

vacation when he's mad at us for taking school away). Hope this is helpful.

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

I appreciate it more then words can say.

I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the same

problem that I have been going through.

Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a topic.

My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. ( Gabby

is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

(She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

What She's doing is like a spray spit.

She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do this

and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not stop!

I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so I

could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a smile.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

These are the things we have tried.

*Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

*Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this as

well )

* Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and telling her

if you want to spit.. spit here.

Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1 who's 22

)

For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they understood and

punishment worked.

With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats me

gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

Help! Any ideas?

Hugs and a pat,

Cher

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cher!!! Welcome. My name is and my daughter has Ds/ASD she's 8.

Her behaviors and lack of speech have caused us so many problems both in and out

of school.

As for the spitting can they put a finger on her lip when she does it and say

" no Gabby, no spitting " ? Do you think that would work?

Does anyone have a new idea to stop spitting?

I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

I appreciate it more then words can say.

I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the

same problem that I have been going through.

Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a topic.

My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. (

Gabby is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

(She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

What She's doing is like a spray spit.

She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do this

and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not stop!

I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so I

could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a smile.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

These are the things we have tried.

*Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

*Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this as

well )

* Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and telling

her if you want to spit.. spit here.

Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1 who's

22 )

For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they understood

and punishment worked.

With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats me

gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

Help! Any ideas?

Hugs and a pat,

Cher

[Guest guest]

Thank you Margaret, Holly, Charlyn, Lori and ,

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the problem spitting.

They were all fantastic ideas and giving something to chew on would of worked if

Gabby was smaller.. but 14.. plus she's orally sensitive. If it feels weird in

her mouth she spits it out.

I found this out when I tried giving her yogurt with fruit on the bottom. She

LOVES yogurt and I thought... " Oh.. I'll just mix it up. "

Not............ every time she felt that texture from the fruit.. she would send

it flying and say.. " kkkkkk..... " Trying to figure out how to write down that

sound? hee hee...

But I do agree.. replacing something in their mouth sure does help!

I'm asking the teachers to try a little from each suggestion..

Just saying NO to Gabby doesn't work at school.

At home yes, because she knows better.

The teachers have never mentioned replacement therapy though..

They're not accustomed to children like Gabby and thank goodness they do listen

when I give them a suggestion, and at the IEP's the teachers always give me a

lot of credit for the suggestions.

This year I have the most wonderful teachers and I wish she could stay with

them.. they all seem to click with her.

Next year is going to be hair pulling ( mostly me on myself ) since they want to

send her off to the high school and every parent here knows the High school

teachers for special needs aren't the greatest there.

Wish I could keep her in the 8th grade.. she's the size of a 8 year old..

So we're going to try Replacement therapy with a fist pump!

Or a high five.. something that Gabby can replace that urge to say Hello and not

have to wear a rain coat.. hee hee..

Thank you.. thank you... thank you.... so very much for all the wonderful ideas,

I wish there was something I could do for all of you to show my appreciation.

So I'm giving you all a big cyber hung!

Cher

>

> I want to Thank everyone for their kind words and welcome.

> I appreciate it more then words can say.

>

> I'm becoming accustomed to the groups lay out, but I can't seem to find the

same problem that I have been going through.

> Maybe it's here and I've over looked it and I apologize for repeating a topic.

>

> My daughter Gabby is giving her teachers a lot of grief due to spraying. (

Gabby is ds-autistic/sensory disorders- 14 years old)

> (She is non verbal w/no communication skills but basic.)

> What She's doing is like a spray spit.

> She's never done this to myself or anyone in our family.

> But the teachers are so frustrated because since Gabby has learned to do this

and the children in her classroom have laughed, now she just will not stop!

> I have sat at school with her the entire day waiting for her to do this so I

could correct her, but she doesn't seem to do this when I am there.

>

> If a teacher comes up to her, she will spray in their face...

> She never does this out of anger, but she thinks its funny and with a smile.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

> These are the things we have tried.

>

> *Time out( This doesn't work, because Gabby has no concept of time )

>

> *Taking a favorite activity away from her ( but she doesn't understand this as

well )

>

> * Taking her to the bathroom and standing behind her by the sink and telling

her if you want to spit.. spit here.

> Teacher tried this for weeks.. but it's still continuing.

>

> I have other children ( 4 others but all moved out on their own, but 1 who's

22 )

> For my other kids, it was so much easier to correct, because they understood

and punishment worked.

> With Gabby.. she just smiles at me when I talk to her about this/ she pats me

gently on the head as though to say... " You poor women.. its ok.. " .

>

>

> Help! Any ideas?

>

> Hugs and a pat,

> Cher

>