Re: interested in Ga/ B ander

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I am in Georgia-in metro Atlanta area in Gwinnett County. My 2 adult sons

attended part of elementry school thru graduation here. All new schools &

schools of excellence; with one in gifted & AP classes which falls under the

special ed umbrella. Zero problems & both were prepared for university.

Two of my three grandchildren are school age & also attend schools of excellence

in Gwinnett County. Zero issues

My youngest son, who has Down Syndrome, moderate-severe hearing impairment,

severe-profound speech impairment (aphasia) & medical issues, has attended

Gwinnett County schools since he was around age 17 months. He is now age 15 &

half.

Every school he attended has provided whatever we have requested on his IEP &

without exception, he has had excellent teachers & aides. We did have a dicey

time in 5th grade & again in 8th grade but the issues were not a reflection on

what he was taught or provided nor what he learned. Both (seperate) issues were

resolved to our satisfaction.

It is my understanding that services & schools across GA are disparate despite

GA State education rules & regs. I would like to suggest that you make contact

thru the following links to obtain info on the area that you are moving to:

Parent to Parent which can set you up with a parent from the area you seek as

well as provide wealth of info on everything:

http://p2pga.org/

Georgia Dept of Education, Special education division. I use this site often &

it should be of assistance regarding educational aspects:

http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_exceptional.aspx

Hope this helps. Both of the above links also have toll free phone numbers,

will send you packets of info as well as have a live person to talk to.

Best wishes,

Kris

>

> We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know how we

can

> stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he is able to

> get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that he loves

and

> I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.  He is

> completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have been . 

What

> can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in the

> Savannah area.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kris, I must call you and your children " Lucky " . Gwinnett County is VERY BAD for

caring for (or should I say good at abusing their children with special needs),

according to numerous news stories I have heard in the past years. Remember one

of the recent cases where the parents sewed a recorder into the child's shirt

and recorded extreme physical abuse (not sure if it was Gwinnett, but I do know

it was Metro Atlanta Area), verbal abuse, and neglect of that child with autism

who came home black and blue the day before? It was all over the news. And that

was not the only case in Metro Atlanta. If I am not mistaken, Gwinnett had a

child die also. (One county did.)

Like I said, consider your children surrounded by angels, but GA is not the

place you want for your kids with special needs; I should rephrase that and say

America is not the place for kids/families with special needs due to lack of

available services and lack of wanting to give out avaialable services (Remember

the current healthcare bill? I read it and it eliminates services for special

needs.)

Gwinnett may be a lesser of other evils in GA, but I highly recommend

homeschooling if you move to GA.

http://www.theautismnews.com/2009/05/18/mother-records-autistic-childs-alleged-a\

buse/

http://m.11alive.com/news.jsp?key=122383

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6145537/GAO-Report--Special-Needs-Children-Abused-in\

-Schools

Just my opinion,

> >

> > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know how we

can

> > stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he is able

to

> > get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that he loves

and

> > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.  He is

> > completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have been . 

What

> > can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in the

> > Savannah area.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sue - kids are being abused all over the nation. Consider any ad one sees

for the HUMANE SOCIETY to be really for kids and call it the HUMAN SOCIETY>

As to the microphoned kid -whose parents have been charged with criminal

charges for ILLEGAL RECORDING!!! That was NOT Gwinnet but either Dekalb or

Fulton.

Kids have died in Fulton, Dekalb, Umpkin, Stepahns, and I am sure others.

Surely there must be an app for kids killed! Way too many. But Irma can

tell you about the horros of Texas, we have people to talk about FL. No

state is SAFE. We parents create the safety by being watchful and aware.

My son got a great , warm , and loving education for the year he was in

school in Lumpkin COunty, GA - better than anything he had in VA or in PA.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 <

agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote:

>

>

> Kris, I must call you and your children " Lucky " . Gwinnett County is VERY

> BAD for caring for (or should I say good at abusing their children with

> special needs), according to numerous news stories I have heard in the past

> years. Remember one of the recent cases where the parents sewed a recorder

> into the child's shirt and recorded extreme physical abuse (not sure if it

> was Gwinnett, but I do know it was Metro Atlanta Area), verbal abuse, and

> neglect of that child with autism who came home black and blue the day

> before? It was all over the news. And that was not the only case in Metro

> Atlanta. If I am not mistaken, Gwinnett had a child die also. (One county

> did.)

> Like I said, consider your children surrounded by angels, but GA is not the

> place you want for your kids with special needs; I should rephrase that and

> say America is not the place for kids/families with special needs due to

> lack of available services and lack of wanting to give out avaialable

> services (Remember the current healthcare bill? I read it and it eliminates

> services for special needs.)

> Gwinnett may be a lesser of other evils in GA, but I highly recommend

> homeschooling if you move to GA.

>

>

http://www.theautismnews.com/2009/05/18/mother-records-autistic-childs-alleged-a\

buse/

> http://m.11alive.com/news.jsp?key=122383

>

>

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6145537/GAO-Report--Special-Needs-Children-Abused-in\

-Schools

>

> Just my opinion,

>

>

>

> > >

> > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

> how we can

> > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

> able to

> > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

> loves and

> > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

> He is

> > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

> . What

> > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

> in the

> > > Savannah area.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, I do recall reading about different cases in GA & other states. The

ones that you referenced did not happen in Gwinnett;however after I saw

references to time out rooms/restraints/etc I became hyper vigilent & proactive

by making sure that any & everyone involved with DJ had a very clear

understanding of what our " rules " were concerning " discipline " .

Inadvertantly freaked out one principal when he was hand delivered our (now

annual) letter documenting what the school could not do & what we expect them to

do. In very very detailed terms albeit in a non aggressive manner.

It is appalling & sad to me that I submit this letter at the beginning of each

school year, but because of cases such as you referenced, I feel it is a

necessary documentation.

Perhaps we have been lucky; however I have been a teacher & was a state level

advocate long before I became DJ's mama. I can detect BS and/or bad vibes

instantly & I have never been nor will I ever settle for " status quo " regarding

anything much less my kiddos needs.

That being said, it is probably a combination of luck of the draw in what

teachers we have had, being involved, being observant & promoting/building

relationships for the greater good re all 3 of my sons.

I'm willing to cut teachers/staff/whatever entity some slack- about some

things-which I think is really about just deciding what " battles " are important

& which ones are not. However, no slack is given regarding punitives, neglect,

assaults or incompetence. (That sounds harsh, but oh well)

I know I am just one parent voicing my experiences thus far, but I was being

totally honest about the past 13 years of educational experiences & teachers &

other staff. Even the teachers in 5th & 8th grade that we had some issues with

did not fail in teaching DJ or in obtaining what he needed in order to succeed.

And the majority went far beyond what was expected or " required " in ways both

large & small.

There is no way that I could duplicate what those teachers accomplished over the

years. Just as they could never duplicate what I have accomplished with DJ over

the years.

Coupled with DJ's need to have socialization opps outside of a home setting; at

this point in our lives home schooling is not in his best interests.

Just our personal experience to date.

Kris

> > >

> > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know how

we can

> > > stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he is

able to

> > > get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that he

loves and

> > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.  He

is

> > > completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have been . 

What

> > > can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in

the

> > > Savannah area.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

sounds like writing short stories is like therapy for you. My dr tried to get

me to start drinking wine when I had insomnia.... I was afraid to even take one

sip. I have not ever drank it that I recall and I don't want to feel sick. I

have heard too many people say that wine makes them nauseous or gives them a

headache. I have the bottle here but have never opened. My dr said that an

ounce with lunch and supper would help my neck muscles relax and then I could

sleep. Maybe I will try it someday.

To:

From: kaprisock@...

Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:01:49 +0000

Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

Hi Sue, I do recall reading about different cases in GA & other states. The ones

that you referenced did not happen in Gwinnett;however after I saw references to

time out rooms/restraints/etc I became hyper vigilent & proactive by making sure

that any & everyone involved with DJ had a very clear understanding of what our

" rules " were concerning " discipline " .

Inadvertantly freaked out one principal when he was hand delivered our (now

annual) letter documenting what the school could not do & what we expect them to

do. In very very detailed terms albeit in a non aggressive manner.

It is appalling & sad to me that I submit this letter at the beginning of each

school year, but because of cases such as you referenced, I feel it is a

necessary documentation.

Perhaps we have been lucky; however I have been a teacher & was a state level

advocate long before I became DJ's mama. I can detect BS and/or bad vibes

instantly & I have never been nor will I ever settle for " status quo " regarding

anything much less my kiddos needs.

That being said, it is probably a combination of luck of the draw in what

teachers we have had, being involved, being observant & promoting/building

relationships for the greater good re all 3 of my sons.

I'm willing to cut teachers/staff/whatever entity some slack- about some

things-which I think is really about just deciding what " battles " are important

& which ones are not. However, no slack is given regarding punitives, neglect,

assaults or incompetence. (That sounds harsh, but oh well)

I know I am just one parent voicing my experiences thus far, but I was being

totally honest about the past 13 years of educational experiences & teachers &

other staff. Even the teachers in 5th & 8th grade that we had some issues with

did not fail in teaching DJ or in obtaining what he needed in order to succeed.

And the majority went far beyond what was expected or " required " in ways both

large & small.

There is no way that I could duplicate what those teachers accomplished over the

years. Just as they could never duplicate what I have accomplished with DJ over

the years.

Coupled with DJ's need to have socialization opps outside of a home setting; at

this point in our lives home schooling is not in his best interests.

Just our personal experience to date.

Kris

> > >

> > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know how

we can

> > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

able to

> > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

loves and

> > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children. He

is

> > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been .

What

> > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in

the

> > > Savannah area.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I like wine...a glass with dinner maybe once a week doesn't upset my stomach at

all. And it does relax me!!!

Sent from my iPhone

>

> sounds like writing short stories is like therapy for you. My dr tried to get

me to start drinking wine when I had insomnia.... I was afraid to even take one

sip. I have not ever drank it that I recall and I don't want to feel sick. I

have heard too many people say that wine makes them nauseous or gives them a

headache. I have the bottle here but have never opened. My dr said that an

ounce with lunch and supper would help my neck muscles relax and then I could

sleep. Maybe I will try it someday.

>

>

>

> To:

> From: kaprisock@...

> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:01:49 +0000

> Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Sue, I do recall reading about different cases in GA & other states. The

ones that you referenced did not happen in Gwinnett;however after I saw

references to time out rooms/restraints/etc I became hyper vigilent & proactive

by making sure that any & everyone involved with DJ had a very clear

understanding of what our " rules " were concerning " discipline " .

>

> Inadvertantly freaked out one principal when he was hand delivered our (now

annual) letter documenting what the school could not do & what we expect them to

do. In very very detailed terms albeit in a non aggressive manner.

>

> It is appalling & sad to me that I submit this letter at the beginning of each

school year, but because of cases such as you referenced, I feel it is a

necessary documentation.

>

> Perhaps we have been lucky; however I have been a teacher & was a state level

advocate long before I became DJ's mama. I can detect BS and/or bad vibes

instantly & I have never been nor will I ever settle for " status quo " regarding

anything much less my kiddos needs.

>

> That being said, it is probably a combination of luck of the draw in what

teachers we have had, being involved, being observant & promoting/building

relationships for the greater good re all 3 of my sons.

>

> I'm willing to cut teachers/staff/whatever entity some slack- about some

things-which I think is really about just deciding what " battles " are important

& which ones are not. However, no slack is given regarding punitives, neglect,

assaults or incompetence. (That sounds harsh, but oh well)

>

> I know I am just one parent voicing my experiences thus far, but I was being

totally honest about the past 13 years of educational experiences & teachers &

other staff. Even the teachers in 5th & 8th grade that we had some issues with

did not fail in teaching DJ or in obtaining what he needed in order to succeed.

And the majority went far beyond what was expected or " required " in ways both

large & small.

>

> There is no way that I could duplicate what those teachers accomplished over

the years. Just as they could never duplicate what I have accomplished with DJ

over the years.

>

> Coupled with DJ's need to have socialization opps outside of a home setting;

at this point in our lives home schooling is not in his best interests.

>

> Just our personal experience to date.

>

> Kris

>

>

>>>>

>>>> We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know how

we can

>>>> stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is able

to

>>>> get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

loves and

>>>> I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children. He

is

>>>> completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been .

What

>>>> can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in

the

>>>> Savannah area.

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Sara, i heard they have now made it illegal and inadmissable to place a

recorder on your child, which is B.S.

Did you mean to say kids have died in my county? s? If so, when?? Very

interested to know this.

Thanks,

P.S. And yes, sadly, I do know all about most of the abuse throughout this

nation. It's sad and heartbreaking; what is up with America?

> > > >

> > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

> > how we can

> > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

> > able to

> > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

> > loves and

> > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

> > He is

> > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

> > . What

> > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

> > in the

> > > > Savannah area.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I was trying to find a link for the one I remember in gwinnett. I am pretty

certain I saw it on the news instead of the Internet, but nevertheless, I think

you got the point. It is great that you are on top of things with the no

restraint letter, etc... I think you have realized it just has to be that way.

Even if my son *could* attend school, he has apraxia and is very vulnerable to

abuse because of that. It has happened before (Barrow) and I can honestly say I

know for sure it will never happen again because he will not attend public

school.

I know we talked about it before, but we will have to meet up sometime since we

live so close. (I just have to find the time). Are you on Facebook? I am the

blue character with hearts.

TenEyck

> > > >

> > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

how we can

> > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

able to

> > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

loves and

> > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

He is

> > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

.. What

> > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be in

the

> > > > Savannah area.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You can check in your county thru the county mortality meeting.

" Stakeholders " attend. In our county that means DFCS, Sheriff, DA, Juvenile

Judge and someone from CASA. only heard about Stephans when I was asking

about Lumpkin.

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:25 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 <

agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, Sara, i heard they have now made it illegal and inadmissable to place

> a recorder on your child, which is B.S.

> Did you mean to say kids have died in my county? s? If so, when??

> Very interested to know this.

> Thanks,

>

> P.S. And yes, sadly, I do know all about most of the abuse throughout this

> nation. It's sad and heartbreaking; what is up with America?

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

> know

> > > how we can

> > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he

> is

> > > able to

> > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that

> he

> > > loves and

> > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

> children.

> > > He is

> > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have

> been

> > > . What

> > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would

> be

> > > in the

> > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, perhaps I am a protective mom but even with my neuro typical kids I made

it clear (in writing) that no corporal punishment was to ever be used. Since my

other 2 sons attended many schools in several states it became a habit & was

easy to do for DJ. I just did not know about time out rooms or restraints until

a few years ago, so I updated the letter to include them.

Lol,it is only a 1 page letter but includes everything from withholding

food/drink to any adversive I could think of.

I do not hit or put my kids in restraints, etal & so there is no way I would

ever accept someone else doing so.

I believe in positive reinforcement. Of course that does not extend to anyone

harming my child. Then I def. believe in adversives: jail.

Happy New Year.

Kris

> > > > >

> > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

how we can

> > > > > stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he is

able to

> > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that he

loves and

> > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children. 

He is

> > > > > completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have

been .  What

> > > > > can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

in the

> > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Howdy,

   I see T says her son will not attend public school because of his

apraxia. Darell just got diagnosed with autism and apraxia in a addition to his

downs on 9-9-2010 . I have been so busy researching ds-asd that I haven't

addressed to problems and solutions for apraxia. Can you give me any information

why apraxia makes public school difficult ?

________________________________

To:

Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 2:43:38 AM

Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

 

Hi Sue, perhaps I am a protective mom but even with my neuro typical kids I made

it clear (in writing) that no corporal punishment was to ever be used. Since my

other 2 sons attended many schools in several states it became a habit & was

easy to do for DJ. I just did not know about time out rooms or restraints until

a few years ago, so I updated the letter to include them.

Lol,it is only a 1 page letter but includes everything from withholding

food/drink to any adversive I could think of.

I do not hit or put my kids in restraints, etal & so there is no way I would

ever accept someone else doing so.

I believe in positive reinforcement. Of course that does not extend to anyone

harming my child. Then I def. believe in adversives: jail.

Happy New Year.

Kris

> > > > >

> > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

>how we can

>

> > > > > stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he

is

>able to

>

> > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that

he

>loves and

>

> > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children. 

>He is

>

> > > > > completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have

been

>.  What

>

> > > > > can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

>in the

>

> > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I live in America and children are killed every year in school here with

restraints. The teachers most often are not prosecuted and continue working in

schools .  If you want more information you can google restraint and seclusion

bill 20010 . I think it was hr2868 not sure of the number. But the bill passed

the senate and the house was sent to committee where it did not get voted on it

just died. Talk about BS

________________________________

To:

Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:25:47 PM

Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

 

Yes, Sara, i heard they have now made it illegal and inadmissable to place a

recorder on your child, which is B.S.

Did you mean to say kids have died in my county? s? If so, when?? Very

interested to know this.

Thanks,

P.S. And yes, sadly, I do know all about most of the abuse throughout this

nation. It's sad and heartbreaking; what is up with America?

> > > >

> > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

> > how we can

> > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

> > able to

> > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

> > loves and

> > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

> > He is

> > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

> > . What

> > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

> > in the

> > > > Savannah area.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

They have a meeting? Is it monthly? Never heard of it. How do I find out about

it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

> > know

> > > > how we can

> > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he

> > is

> > > > able to

> > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that

> > he

> > > > loves and

> > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

> > children.

> > > > He is

> > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have

> > been

> > > > . What

> > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would

> > be

> > > > in the

> > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Kris, Would you send me a copy/draft of the form letter you use (with your kid's

names and identifying information removed, of course)? I am interested to see

what it looks like. You can e-mail me privately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

know how we can

> > > > > > stay.  is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year.  Finally he

is able to

> > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care.  I have 2 workers that

he loves and

> > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children.  He is

> > > > > > completely non-verbal now.  Really feeling now how blessed we have

been .  What

> > > > > > can you tell me about Ga?  schools?waiting list?anything? We would

be in the

> > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

The bill died because it was changed from the original bill and many advocacy

organizations opposed it. The bill included seclusion and restraint to be

allowed to be placed on a students IEP . The advocacy groups felt that it would

give schools permission to use it and abuse it. Incidentally it was a last

minute deal by my own former Ct Senator Dodd to get something passed with a

bipartisan margin. I wonder if he would have felt differently if his own two

young daughters were restrained in school.

Charlyne

Subject: Re: Re: interested in Ga/ B

To:

Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 10:02 AM

 

I live in America and children are killed every year in school here with

restraints. The teachers most often are not prosecuted and continue working in

schools .  If you want more information you can google restraint and seclusion

bill 20010 . I think it was hr2868 not sure of the number. But the bill passed

the senate and the house was sent to committee where it did not get voted on it

just died. Talk about BS

________________________________

To:

Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:25:47 PM

Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

 

Yes, Sara, i heard they have now made it illegal and inadmissable to place a

recorder on your child, which is B.S.

Did you mean to say kids have died in my county? s? If so, when?? Very

interested to know this.

Thanks,

P.S. And yes, sadly, I do know all about most of the abuse throughout this

nation. It's sad and heartbreaking; what is up with America?

> > > >

> > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

> > how we can

> > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

> > able to

> > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

> > loves and

> > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

> > He is

> > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

> > . What

> > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

> > in the

> > > > Savannah area.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Does Darrell have apraxia of speech, or is it more general apraxia (coordination

disorder)?

I can't speak for T's reasons, but I'm thinking they may have something to

do with having a child who can't tell you when they've been mistreated.

Sent from my iPhone

> Howdy,

>

> I see T says her son will not attend public school because of his

> apraxia. Darell just got diagnosed with autism and apraxia in a addition to

his

> downs on 9-9-2010 . I have been so busy researching ds-asd that I haven't

> addressed to problems and solutions for apraxia. Can you give me any

information

> why apraxia makes public school difficult ?

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 2:43:38 AM

> Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

>

>

> Hi Sue, perhaps I am a protective mom but even with my neuro typical kids I

made

> it clear (in writing) that no corporal punishment was to ever be used. Since

my

> other 2 sons attended many schools in several states it became a habit & was

> easy to do for DJ. I just did not know about time out rooms or restraints

until

> a few years ago, so I updated the letter to include them.

>

> Lol,it is only a 1 page letter but includes everything from withholding

> food/drink to any adversive I could think of.

>

> I do not hit or put my kids in restraints, etal & so there is no way I would

> ever accept someone else doing so.

>

> I believe in positive reinforcement. Of course that does not extend to anyone

> harming my child. Then I def. believe in adversives: jail.

>

> Happy New Year.

> Kris

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

know

> >how we can

> >

> > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he

is

> >able to

> >

> > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that

he

> >loves and

> >

> > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children.

> >He is

> >

> > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have

been

> >. What

> >

> > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would

be

> >in the

> >

> > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

My son does not have apraxia as a dx, but he could not tell me when he was

being abused. It is vital for the protection of our children that we make

good friends with all ancillary staff in our schools. My son was saved from

abuse because a para in school got word to be (not directly - she wanted to

save her job) on what was going on. If we had not had a personal

relationship, even knowing what was happening, she would not have told me.

Cafeteria staff, janitors, volunteers, para's and sometimes even other

teachers will have to be the protection for your child.

I believe that we start practicing when our kids are in school so that we

can create community supports and circles of support and protection as they

grow older.

>

>

> Does Darrell have apraxia of speech, or is it more general apraxia

> (coordination disorder)?

>

> I can't speak for T's reasons, but I'm thinking they may have

> something to do with having a child who can't tell you when they've been

> mistreated.

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:50 AM, darell brooks

<codysister@...<codysister%40yahoo.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Howdy,

> >

> > I see T says her son will not attend public school because of his

> > apraxia. Darell just got diagnosed with autism and apraxia in a addition

> to his

> > downs on 9-9-2010 . I have been so busy researching ds-asd that I haven't

>

> > addressed to problems and solutions for apraxia. Can you give me any

> information

> > why apraxia makes public school difficult ?

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: kaprisock <kaprisock@... <kaprisock%40yahoo.com>>

> > To:

> > Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 2:43:38 AM

> > Subject: Re: interested in Ga/ B

> >

> >

> > Hi Sue, perhaps I am a protective mom but even with my neuro typical kids

> I made

> > it clear (in writing) that no corporal punishment was to ever be used.

> Since my

> > other 2 sons attended many schools in several states it became a habit &

> was

> > easy to do for DJ. I just did not know about time out rooms or restraints

> until

> > a few years ago, so I updated the letter to include them.

> >

> > Lol,it is only a 1 page letter but includes everything from withholding

> > food/drink to any adversive I could think of.

> >

> > I do not hit or put my kids in restraints, etal & so there is no way I

> would

> > ever accept someone else doing so.

> >

> > I believe in positive reinforcement. Of course that does not extend to

> anyone

> > harming my child. Then I def. believe in adversives: jail.

> >

> > Happy New Year.

> > Kris

> >

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go -

> don't know

> > >how we can

> > >

> > > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally

> he is

> > >able to

> > >

> > > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers

> that he

> > >loves and

> > >

> > > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

> children.

> > >He is

> > >

> > > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we

> have been

> > >. What

> > >

> > > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We

> would be

> > >in the

> > >

> > > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

That says it all.

> > > > >

> > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't know

> > > how we can

> > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally he is

> > > able to

> > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers that he

> > > loves and

> > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other children.

> > > He is

> > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have been

> > > . What

> > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would be

> > > in the

> > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, my son (thank God) won't attend public school because of immune

deficiency /dysfunction which prevents him from attending like a typical child.

BUT if he did not have this condition, he would never return anyway. The reason

is not really because of the apraxia, but because he was one of the children

abused by school officials when he was in school before we got a diagnosis.

Thank goodness I never told them how much sign language he really did know (they

wanted a list of words). He was able to tell me in sign (at 4 years old) and

crying simultaneously what happened at school that day. This also should have

been my first clue that his memory was actually a good one to remember that

until he got home and sat on the potty.

I ignored warning signs (like when we saw the parapro in public at a store and

he refused to look up at her and kept his head bowed down the entire time-I

should have realized something then, as my child usually is too friendly with

everyone)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

know

> > >how we can

> > >

> > > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally

he is

> > >able to

> > >

> > > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers

that he

> > >loves and

> > >

> > > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children.

> > >He is

> > >

> > > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we have

been

> > >. What

> > >

> > > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We would

be

> > >in the

> > >

> > > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

But sometimes, these people that you have mentioned *are* the very ones abusing

your child, which was the case for my child.

I am just glad my child is alive and *looks* alive. I could show you a picture

of when he was in school and my child looked like he should be in a casket

(weight wise, color-wise, and general overall happiness). During the next couple

of months after being removed from school, my child regained color, a smile, and

weight. He was a different child.

Sometimes you just know as a parent that the placement is not right.

Although I ignored warning signs, it was pretty bad when he told me and I cried

and cried that I did not notice warning signs and that I allowed my child to be

harmed. I felt guilty that I even had the notion to begin with that I was unable

to homeschool him efficiently. (I homeschool my others.)

In the few years since he has been out of a public school environment, I have

heard so much abuse and seen so much abuse occurring; I feel like I got my son

out before it got *really* bad (and it was already bad).

I, as a loving mom, just cannot phathom what these school employees are even

thinking and how this continues to happen in any school without teachers and

officials being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It is like the

*parents* have become the bad guys and the abusers have become the good guys;

what is up with that? The problem, unfortunately, is we no longer live in a

country that we thought we all lived in.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go -

> > don't know

> > > >how we can

> > > >

> > > > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally

> > he is

> > > >able to

> > > >

> > > > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers

> > that he

> > > >loves and

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

> > children.

> > > >He is

> > > >

> > > > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we

> > have been

> > > >. What

> > > >

> > > > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We

> > would be

> > > >in the

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry about what happened to your son. That's so very wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:44 PM, " agirlnamedsuess21 "

wrote:

> Actually, my son (thank God) won't attend public school because of immune

deficiency /dysfunction which prevents him from attending like a typical child.

BUT if he did not have this condition, he would never return anyway. The reason

is not really because of the apraxia, but because he was one of the children

abused by school officials when he was in school before we got a diagnosis.

> Thank goodness I never told them how much sign language he really did know

(they wanted a list of words). He was able to tell me in sign (at 4 years old)

and crying simultaneously what happened at school that day. This also should

have been my first clue that his memory was actually a good one to remember that

until he got home and sat on the potty.

> I ignored warning signs (like when we saw the parapro in public at a store and

he refused to look up at her and kept his head bowed down the entire time-I

should have realized something then, as my child usually is too friendly with

everyone)

>

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go - don't

know

> > > >how we can

> > > >

> > > > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally

he is

> > > >able to

> > > >

> > > > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers

that he

> > > >loves and

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children.

> > > >He is

> > > >

> > > > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we

have been

> > > >. What

> > > >

> > > > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We

would be

> > > >in the

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

The good news is we do not dwell on it , but I will never forget it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We have been transferred to Ga. Don't know how we can go -

don't know

> > > > >how we can

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > stay. is 8 and he has had CAP for the last year. Finally

he is

> > > > >able to

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > get speech, OT, and community and home care. I have 2 workers

that he

> > > > >loves and

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I trust. He is in a daily liiving skills class with 5 other

children.

> > > > >He is

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > completely non-verbal now. Really feeling now how blessed we

have been

> > > > >. What

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > can you tell me about Ga? schools?waiting list?anything? We

would be

> > > > >in the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Savannah area.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >