Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 my life has been 100% easier since I hired an attny. I will spend the money gladly to be rid of every bit of the school districts nonsense!! In a message dated 11/17/2010 8:15:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, cynthiamiltonburns@... writes: Did the school give you an incident report? I would call protection and advocacy and report the neglect. However be aware that if you report the school the school will get mad and may in turn retaliate. You have to be very careful and have help from an attorny in situations such as these. Cyndi B > > My > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------- Checkout our homepage for information, bookmarks, and photos of our kids. Share favorite bookmarks, ideas, and other information by including them. Don't forget, messages are a permanent record of the archives for our list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ --------------------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 It really depends on what your child's abilities are. Isaac left school yesterday at lunchtime and walked three and half miles home with his backpack and his saxophone. Typically he complaines about how heavy the saxophone is. The school called the police. Everyone was looking for Isaac and while I believe there was a delay in getting in touch with us, I think everyone thought he had enough judgement to have some kind of plan even if none of us adults agreed with it. I knew from the first phone call that he went home and I rushed from a work meeting to our house - took me about half an hour but because he couldn't remember where the hidden key was he went to a neighbor's house another block and a half away. She called me just as I was leaving the neighborhood to go to the school- since I didn't find him at home. The point for us isn't that the school was negligent but what is the plan so this does not happen again. Of course this depends on you son's abilities but even my younger son, I think, knows the way home from school. Do I want him walking it alone? No. But am I glad he can use that information if he thinks he needs to? Yes. If your child has no awareness of his surroundings and wasn't on his way home because he was mad at someone, that is a different issue. The first person I would discuss this with is the Director of Special Education. Then you can file a complain with the State Board of Education or the Department of Public Instruction if you don't get what you want. Schools do not like getting official complaints. It also means that a representative from one of these agencies (whichever your state has) is monitoring the complaint process. This will get you farther in appropriate services than filing a complaint with Protective Services. Protective Services cannot help you get the educational services you want. Just my two cents from someone who is there. Lori Mom to Isaac 13, and Tony 12 On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM, cynthiamiltonburns < cynthiamiltonburns@...> wrote: > > > > > Did the school give you an incident report? I would call protection and > advocacy and report the neglect. However be aware that if you report the > school the school will get mad and may in turn retaliate. You have to be > very careful and have help from an attorny in situations such as these. > Cyndi B > > > > > > My > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I would vote for NOT reporting to PRotective services. In our state that means DFCS gets incvolved - and the blame somehow always falls back on the parents. I believe your best bet is to work with the special ed department and thru your son's IEP sset up a safety plan. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM, uccpowell tds.net wrote: > It really depends on what your child's abilities are. Isaac left school > yesterday at lunchtime and walked three and half miles home with his > backpack and his saxophone. Typically he complaines about how heavy the > saxophone is. The school called the police. Everyone was looking for > Isaac > and while I believe there was a delay in getting in touch with us, I think > everyone thought he had enough judgement to have some kind of plan even if > none of us adults agreed with it. I knew from the first phone call that he > went home and I rushed from a work meeting to our house - took me about > half > an hour but because he couldn't remember where the hidden key was he went > to > a neighbor's house another block and a half away. She called me just as I > was leaving the neighborhood to go to the school- since I didn't find him > at > home. > > The point for us isn't that the school was negligent but what is the plan > so > this does not happen again. Of course this depends on you son's abilities > but even my younger son, I think, knows the way home from school. Do I > want > him walking it alone? No. But am I glad he can use that information if he > thinks he needs to? Yes. > > If your child has no awareness of his surroundings and wasn't on his way > home because he was mad at someone, that is a different issue. The first > person I would discuss this with is the Director of Special Education. > Then you can file a complain with the State Board of Education or the > Department of Public Instruction if you don't get what you want. Schools > do not like getting official complaints. It also means that a > representative from one of these agencies (whichever your state has) is > monitoring the complaint process. This will get you farther in appropriate > services than filing a complaint with Protective Services. Protective > Services cannot help you get the educational services you want. > > Just my two cents from someone who is there. > > Lori > Mom to Isaac 13, and Tony 12 > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM, cynthiamiltonburns < > cynthiamiltonburns@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Did the school give you an incident report? I would call protection and > > advocacy and report the neglect. However be aware that if you report the > > school the school will get mad and may in turn retaliate. You have to be > > very careful and have help from an attorny in situations such as these. > > Cyndi B > > > > > > > > > > My > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 My friends son with ds did the same. She called IEP next day and son had 1:1 support next day citing safety issue. Document!!!! Call emergency meeting My daughter in middle school might try again! Desi McKenzie - Re: school neglect It really depends on what your child's abilities are. Isaac left school yesterday at lunchtime and walked three and half miles home with his backpack and his saxophone. Typically he complaines about how heavy the saxophone is. The school called the police. Everyone was looking for Isaac and while I believe there was a delay in getting in touch with us, I think everyone thought he had enough judgement to have some kind of plan even if none of us adults agreed with it. I knew from the first phone call that he went home and I rushed from a work meeting to our house - took me about half an hour but because he couldn't remember where the hidden key was he went to a neighbor's house another block and a half away. She called me just as I was leaving the neighborhood to go to the school- since I didn't find him at home. The point for us isn't that the school was negligent but what is the plan so this does not happen again. Of course this depends on you son's abilities but even my younger son, I think, knows the way home from school. Do I want him walking it alone? No. But am I glad he can use that information if he thinks he needs to? Yes. If your child has no awareness of his surroundings and wasn't on his way home because he was mad at someone, that is a different issue. The first person I would discuss this with is the Director of Special Education. Then you can file a complain with the State Board of Education or the Department of Public Instruction if you don't get what you want. Schools do not like getting official complaints. It also means that a representative from one of these agencies (whichever your state has) is monitoring the complaint process. This will get you farther in appropriate services than filing a complaint with Protective Services. Protective Services cannot help you get the educational services you want. Just my two cents from someone who is there. Lori Mom to Isaac 13, and Tony 12 On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM, cynthiamiltonburns < cynthiamiltonburns@...> wrote: > > > > > Did the school give you an incident report? I would call protection and > advocacy and report the neglect. However be aware that if you report the > school the school will get mad and may in turn retaliate. You have to be > very careful and have help from an attorny in situations such as these. > Cyndi B > > > > > > My > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 If this happened to us, I think I would first call one of our local advocates and tell them what happened and get their advice. BEFORE I would begin reporting the school, I would get advice from others. School officials very likely will retalliate against you so you have to be ready for it. I have had a principal get mad at me and it was miserable til we got out of her school. Sorry I am not much help. I would not send my son back to that school until I had this figured out. If he did go, I would go with him. If this happened once, it can very well happen again. karmen mom to Talon 14 DS/ASD, Celiac To: From: cynthiamiltonburns@... Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:15:22 +0000 Subject: school neglect Did the school give you an incident report? I would call protection and advocacy and report the neglect. However be aware that if you report the school the school will get mad and may in turn retaliate. You have to be very careful and have help from an attorny in situations such as these. Cyndi B > > My > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Sara is correct. Somehow, DFCS will turn it around that YOU are the bad parent. Believe it. > > > > > > > > My > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I would make immediate contact with the school and call for an emergency IEP meeting. Document the incident in the IEP (even if you had to handwrite it in the comment section yourself). That will be all the paper trail you need to document the incident. THE SCHOOL, should be made to make an incident report, though, which you should have access to. Correct any *errors* or request that any errors be corrected that appear on the incident report (in other words, do not let them implicate you in any way, as you were not present at the school). They should have notified the police immediately when they noticed he was gone, which they probably did not due to all the incidents being on the news lately with schools losing kids. Use this incident as leverage to get one on one aide for your child. If they refuse, then go to the news station first. (Not CPS or DFCS). > > > > > > My > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Oh boy does this bring back memories! Our son was in Middle School. 5 kids, with 3 adults in his class room. One day he left school and walked home. My husband (his dad) just happened to get off work early that day and was home when he see's Luca walking toward the house with a bloody mouth, and blood stained shirt. Under closer examination he had a tooth knocked out! Dad immediately called me at work. I came home. Luca wouldn't talk about what happened at school. It had been 2 hrs by then that we figure Luca had left school and NO ONE from school called us. I called the teacher and asked what happened. He had nothing to say! I was furious and talked with the principle. A meeting was called, nothing ever came of it, the school wanted me to accept the teachers apology forget it and let it go. I hired an attorney. Our son did not return to that school. Jaylene mom to Luca 27 ds/testing for asd Re: school neglect Sara is correct. Somehow, DFCS will turn it around that YOU are the bad parent. Believe it. > > > > > > > > My > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Did you sue the school???? He had a tooth knocked out???!!!!! OMG! ------------------------------------------------------ " We will either find a way, or make one! " -- Hannibal ________________________________ To: Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 10:41:49 AM Subject: Re: Re: school neglect Oh boy does this bring back memories! Our son was in Middle School. 5 kids, with 3 adults in his class room. One day he left school and walked home. My husband (his dad) just happened to get off work early that day and was home when he see's Luca walking toward the house with a bloody mouth, and blood stained shirt. Under closer examination he had a tooth knocked out! Dad immediately called me at work. I came home. Luca wouldn't talk about what happened at school. It had been 2 hrs by then that we figure Luca had left school and NO ONE from school called us. I called the teacher and asked what happened. He had nothing to say! I was furious and talked with the principle. A meeting was called, nothing ever came of it, the school wanted me to accept the teachers apology forget it and let it go. I hired an attorney. Our son did not return to that school. Jaylene mom to Luca 27 ds/testing for asd Re: school neglect Sara is correct. Somehow, DFCS will turn it around that YOU are the bad parent. Believe it. > > > > > > > > My > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 No we didn't sue. I focused on taking care of Luca, that became full time change has never been easy for him. Emotionally I was just barely keeping it together. I let the attorney handle the school. The students (all students not just his class) were transitioning from one class to another when Luca decided to take a drink out of the water fountain in the hallway when another boy came along and jammed his head into the faucet hard enough to knock his tooth out. The boy thought it was funny that Luca bled! Six other parents withdrew their kids from that school because of how this situation was/wasn't handled, those six students gave affidavits to our attorney. Several letters were written & published in the local newspaper. We were contacted to do a story, Lu didn't want any part of it, and the attorney wanted us to wait. The students who came forward were afraid of the boy who did the harm he was known as a thug. Additionally their statements did include the fact that Luca's teacher was standing right there by the fountain when this happened. We received a package from our attorney which contained a letter of apology from his teacher, the student who pushed Luca's head, with a commitment from his parents to pay for whatever medical/dental work Luca had done as a result of their sons actions, and a letter from the district letting us know the teacher was gone, as was the school principle, vice principal, a counselor, and several staff members were replaced. They cleaned house. The district assured us they were committed to a turn around in that school so that this never happened again. We could return Luca. We didn't, we had moved on. 10 years later our adult daughter enrolled our grandson in that same middle school, it was a changed school environment and a very pleasant experience for him. Jaylene parent to Luca 27 ds/testing for asd Re: school neglect Sara is correct. Somehow, DFCS will turn it around that YOU are the bad parent. Believe it. > > > > > > > > My > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Wow, what a story!!! It's neat, in a way, that Luca's experience contributed to your grandchild's more positive experience. Sent from my iPhone > No we didn't sue. I focused on taking care of Luca, that became full time > change has never been easy for him. Emotionally I was just barely keeping it together. > I let the attorney handle the school. > > The students (all students not just his class) > were transitioning from one class to another when Luca > decided to take a drink out of the water fountain in the hallway when another > boy came along and jammed his head into the faucet hard enough to knock his tooth out. > The boy thought it was funny that Luca bled! Six other parents withdrew their kids from that school because > of how this situation was/wasn't handled, those six students gave affidavits to our attorney. > Several letters were written & published in the local newspaper. We were contacted to do a story, Lu didn't want > any part of it, and the attorney wanted us to wait. > > The students who came forward were afraid of the boy who did the harm > he was known as a thug. Additionally their statements did include the fact > that Luca's teacher was standing right there by the fountain when this happened. > > We received a package from our attorney which contained a letter of apology from his teacher, > the student who pushed Luca's head, with a commitment from his parents to pay for whatever medical/dental work > Luca had done as a result of their sons actions, > and a letter from the district letting us know the teacher was gone, as was the school principle, vice principal, > a counselor, and several staff members were replaced. They cleaned house. > The district assured us they were committed to > a turn around in that school so that this never happened again. We could return Luca. > We didn't, we had moved on. > > 10 years later our adult daughter enrolled our grandson in that > same middle school, it was a changed school environment and a very pleasant experience for him. > > Jaylene parent to Luca 27 ds/testing for asd > > Re: school neglect > > Sara is correct. Somehow, DFCS will turn it around that YOU are the bad parent. > Believe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Wow, that is goo dthat they changed for the better. Sorry to hear about Luca's tooth. Was it a permanent tooth and how did you fix it? > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and paraprofesional > > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to police > > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 When Elie was in middle school, i got a call and official letter from the school saying that Elie could be subject to discipline 'up to and including expulsion' if I did not correct his out of control behavior of hitting students during changing classes. So FIRST I went to school and stood in the hall during changing classes and made a written record of every student who touched another student. In a 6 minute class change time, I recorded over 30 instances of boy to boy and 5 of boy to girl and 5 of girl to boy. I recorded a descriptor (brief of each child. THEN we had an IEP meeting (the year of the weekly IEP meetings! :~( ) The decision was that Elie would change classes 3-5 minutes before the other children and he would be accompanied by his classroom aid (first I learned that he WASN " T) No more discussion of disciplin for my son in that school. MIDDLE SCHOOl was the Worst time with admin, altho his teacher was good. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 < agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > Wow, that is goo dthat they changed for the better. Sorry to hear about > Luca's tooth. Was it a permanent tooth and how did you fix it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > son run away from the school last thursday,teachers and > paraprofesional > > > > > > didnt know,was Leo " s dad( classmate) how find by > > > > > > casuality...what do you think I need to do...! I want to go to > police > > > > > > department and report the accident and negligent or wait and > wait... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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