Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 That link had the video clip of what it was like to use it. It is a device for on the go, which is where you won't have a computer or may not have a cumbersome book to try to flip through all the time. There are places where you can get it less expensively (for around $189 to $199.) It is designed to be used as a *translator* instead of a dictionary. It is compact and fits in your purse or pocket and readily accessible. Yes, at $189, that is still expensive, but nonetheless a specialty item and a one of a kind item. It has a port for a card that will be available soon that allows you to expand the 3500 word memory to more words. At home, you can use the computer, if Internet is available; Internet is not always available, though and usually when you need to know what your child is saying you are not sitting in front of a book or computer. But it was just a suggestion. For sitting down and learning, I recommend the SEE CD-ROM. You can type in a sentence and print the signs on pages. It is limited with no room for upgrade, though. The links you provided are good for individual learning in that you can take your knowledge that you have learned and go teach your child, but I find it impractical to sit at the online dictionary with your child to learn words at random. Nonetheless, they are good reference tools. > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > our kids could never speak > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > expressive language/culture.      On > > the bright > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > As with any language > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > then you have to look it > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > and difficult because it is > > > > > very limted. > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 How do the IPOD app's work? Do they have Internet access and you purchase the app online? I have been trying to figure that one out for a while. Which do you own? > > There's also a cheap Ipod app for signing (ASL) that I find myself using quite a bit. > Sherry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 The itouch program app is called " isign " ...to purchase the app, you go to the itunes store, purchase it (I paid $5.99) and then download it to your app library and then transfer it to your itouch. desi  ________________________________ To: Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:46:35 AM Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs  That link had the video clip of what it was like to use it. It is a device for on the go, which is where you won't have a computer or may not have a cumbersome book to try to flip through all the time. There are places where you can get it less expensively (for around $189 to $199.) It is designed to be used as a *translator* instead of a dictionary. It is compact and fits in your purse or pocket and readily accessible. Yes, at $189, that is still expensive, but nonetheless a specialty item and a one of a kind item. It has a port for a card that will be available soon that allows you to expand the 3500 word memory to more words. At home, you can use the computer, if Internet is available; Internet is not always available, though and usually when you need to know what your child is saying you are not sitting in front of a book or computer. But it was just a suggestion. For sitting down and learning, I recommend the SEE CD-ROM. You can type in a sentence and print the signs on pages. It is limited with no room for upgrade, though. The links you provided are good for individual learning in that you can take your knowledge that you have learned and go teach your child, but I find it impractical to sit at the online dictionary with your child to learn words at random. Nonetheless, they are good reference tools. > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > our kids could never speak > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > expressive language/culture.    ÂÂÂ\  On > > the bright > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > As with any language > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > then you have to look it > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > and difficult because it is > > > > > very limted. > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Oooh, that sounds perfect, since I rarely get to sit at an actual computer. (my iPhone is my computer nearly always). Sent from my iPhone The itouch program app is called " isign " ...to purchase the app, you go to the itunes store, purchase it (I paid $5.99) and then download it to your app library and then transfer it to your itouch. desi ________________________________ To: Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 9:46:35 AM Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs That link had the video clip of what it was like to use it. It is a device for on the go, which is where you won't have a computer or may not have a cumbersome book to try to flip through all the time. There are places where you can get it less expensively (for around $189 to $199.) It is designed to be used as a *translator* instead of a dictionary. It is compact and fits in your purse or pocket and readily accessible. Yes, at $189, that is still expensive, but nonetheless a specialty item and a one of a kind item. It has a port for a card that will be available soon that allows you to expand the 3500 word memory to more words. At home, you can use the computer, if Internet is available; Internet is not always available, though and usually when you need to know what your child is saying you are not sitting in front of a book or computer. But it was just a suggestion. For sitting down and learning, I recommend the SEE CD-ROM. You can type in a sentence and print the signs on pages. It is limited with no room for upgrade, though. The links you provided are good for individual learning in that you can take your knowledge that you have learned and go teach your child, but I find it impractical to sit at the online dictionary with your child to learn words at random. Nonetheless, they are good reference tools. > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > our kids could never speak > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > expressive language/culture.      On > > the bright > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > As with any language > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > then you have to look it > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > and difficult because it is > > > > > very limted. > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Is it an interactive app that requires monthly phone seervice or a one time thing that you can upload to an IPOD? Are IPOD's and ITOUCH's the same thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > expressive language/culture.    ÂÂÂ\  On > > > the bright > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > As with any language > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I know an IPHONE and an IPOD are not the same. Does it require an IPHONE or IPOD or either one of them will work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > the bright > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > As with any language > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 We believe that only the iphone and itouch utilize apps. Desi and ________________________________ To: Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:14:44 AM Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs  I know an IPHONE and an IPOD are not the same. Does it require an IPHONE or IPOD or either one of them will work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÂÂ Many of > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > with sign .ÂÂ My kid can'tÂÂ turn a door knob > > > yet or hold a pen.ÂÂ years and years > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > improvement.ÂÂ ÂÂ Kezia can'tÂÂ point with her > > > > > > > index fingerÂÂ norÂÂ isolate her fingers and > > > sheÂÂ ÂÂ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > palm open.ÂÂ She hasn'tÂÂ mastered a pincer > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÂÂ She > > > > > > > can't do actionÂÂ songs like eensy > > > spiderÂÂ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ ÂÂ > > > > > > > ÂÂ ÂÂ your device sounds very handy.ÂÂ thanks.ÂÂ > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ I found learning conversational > > > signÂÂ hopelessly difficult.ÂÂ ÂÂ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > ordinateÂÂ my body, handsÂÂ and > > > face.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > spoken.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ Such a beautiful > > > expressiveÂÂ language/culture.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ >ÂÂ On > > > the bright > > > > > > > side, ÂÂ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > on our foreheads.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > As with any language > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 , I may be wrong but from my recent research, I'm thinking that apps will work on the iphone, the ipad & the ipod touch. My spouse has ipod & iphone but I have neither. Since I do not have any " i " thingees (didn't feel the need) I've been waaay out of the loop on functionalities. From what I gather from spouse, one downloads songs, etc from itunes. Some are free; most have a fee involved. The " internet " charge that you are thinking of is for iphone coverage which enables one to use iphone like a computer (send & recieve data/surf the net/etc). We do not had the new ipad (yet) which is basically a small computer & would require wifi/internet connection. The ipod itself has no fees involved to use- aside from downloading songs. Hope this helps some. Hugs, Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 One does not need PHONE SERVICE to use an IPHONE for TOUCH. I have a fist generation i-phone which is not connected to anything (but my computer when I want to dowload things from the i-tunes app store) On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 < agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > I know an IPHONE and an IPOD are not the same. Does it require an IPHONE or > IPOD or either one of them will work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. > thanks. > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see > it > > > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > > expressive language/culture.    >   On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Be careful, because not all apps work on all three devices. Desi and ________________________________ To: Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 9:57:29 AM Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs  , I may be wrong but from my recent research, I'm thinking that apps will work on the iphone, the ipad & the ipod touch. My spouse has ipod & iphone but I have neither. Since I do not have any " i " thingees (didn't feel the need) I've been waaay out of the loop on functionalities. From what I gather from spouse, one downloads songs, etc from itunes. Some are free; most have a fee involved. The " internet " charge that you are thinking of is for iphone coverage which enables one to use iphone like a computer (send & recieve data/surf the net/etc). We do not had the new ipad (yet) which is basically a small computer & would require wifi/internet connection. The ipod itself has no fees involved to use- aside from downloading songs. Hope this helps some. Hugs, Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÂÂ Many of > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÂÂ My kid can'tÂÂ turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÂÂ years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.ÂÂ ÂÂ Kezia can'tÂÂ point with her > > > > > > > > > index fingerÂÂ norÂÂ isolate her fingers and > > > > sheÂÂ ÂÂ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÂÂ She hasn'tÂÂ mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÂÂ She > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÂÂ songs like eensy > > > > spiderÂÂ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ ÂÂ your device sounds very handy.ÂÂ thanks.ÂÂ > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ I found learning conversational > > > > signÂÂ hopelessly difficult.ÂÂ ÂÂ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinateÂÂ my body, handsÂÂ and > > > > face.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ Such a beautiful > > > > expressiveÂÂ language/culture.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ >ÂÂ ÂÂ On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side, ÂÂ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.ÂÂ ÂÂ ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 iTouch is shorthand for " iPod Touch " . AFAIK, the IPods and iPhone are compatible with the same apps. But iPads are different. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2010, at 1:13 PM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: Is it an interactive app that requires monthly phone seervice or a one time thing that you can upload to an IPOD? Are IPOD's and ITOUCH's the same thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > the bright > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > As with any language > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I stand corrected...DH says you can use iPod/iPhone apps on the iPad, but they'll look bad if not optimized for the iPad. Many, if not most, iPod apps have been optimized to take advantage of the bigger screen. Also, there are iPad apps that aren't available for iPod/iPhone. The iPad has the bigger screen, some things don't make sense on a tiny screen. DH is a web developer, just worked on making the app for his company's online newspaper for the iPad. Sent from my iPhone , I may be wrong but from my recent research, I'm thinking that apps will work on the iphone, the ipad & the ipod touch. My spouse has ipod & iphone but I have neither. Since I do not have any " i " thingees (didn't feel the need) I've been waaay out of the loop on functionalities. From what I gather from spouse, one downloads songs, etc from itunes. Some are free; most have a fee involved. The " internet " charge that you are thinking of is for iphone coverage which enables one to use iphone like a computer (send & recieve data/surf the net/etc). We do not had the new ipad (yet) which is basically a small computer & would require wifi/internet connection. The ipod itself has no fees involved to use- aside from downloading songs. Hope this helps some. Hugs, Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 So, you could not have an interactive sign program, like I understood isign to be, on an Iphone, which is what I thought the original poster or follow-up poster had mentioned. An Ipod does not require service; so, how would one download an interactive sign language program to an IPOD? Does it have a searchable base once you download the isign app? Still confused on how isign would work on on what equipment. I do not have an Ipod, Iphone, Itouch, or Ipad. But my son has an MP3 video with 12 md capacity capability. It is like an Ipod. I am trying to figure out if something like Isign could be converted to work on this MP3 video player and exactly what the Isign is (interactive or just a short sign language tutorial for basic language learning. We are way beyond basic sign language learning, as my son is practically fluent (at least in comprehesion of sign language). He is starting to talk more and use some signs less (unless I do not understand what he means). But I would have to say he is bilingual with his primary language Signed English. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 So, all you have to do is purchase an Iphone and then use the Itouch service? If so, then what exactly does the Isign program do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚Â Many of > > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚Â My kid can'tÃÆ'‚Â turn a door knob > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚Â years and years > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚Â point with her > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚Â norÃÆ'‚Â isolate her fingers and > > > > > sheÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚Â She hasn'tÃÆ'‚Â mastered a pincer > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚Â She > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚Â songs like eensy > > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚Â even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚Â > > thanks.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â I found learning conversational > > > > > signÃÆ'‚Â hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚Â my body, handsÃÆ'‚Â and > > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Nor can i decipher it when i see > > it > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Such a beautiful > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚Â language/culture.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â On > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 That is real complicated now. Just trying to see if a program like ISign or a device that will run it is more beneficial than a Krown Sign language dictionary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚Â Many of > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚Â My kid can'tÃÆ'‚Â turn a door knob > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚Â years and years > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚Â point with her > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚Â norÃÆ'‚Â isolate her fingers and > > > > > sheÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚Â She hasn'tÃÆ'‚Â mastered a pincer > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚Â She > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚Â songs like eensy > > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚Â even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚Â thanks.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â I found learning conversational > > > > > signÃÆ'‚Â hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚Â my body, handsÃÆ'‚Â and > > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Such a beautiful > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚Â language/culture.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > >ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â On > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I know what an Ipad is...it is an extension of your own computer. It is a touchscreen tablet that has no cd drive. I have no use for one of those yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Many of > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ My kid can'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ point with her > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚ÂÂ norÃÆ'‚ÂÂ isolate her fingers and > > > > sheÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ She hasn'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ She > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚ÂÂ songs like eensy > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚ÂÂ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ thanks.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ I found learning conversational > > > > signÃÆ'‚ÂÂ hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚ÂÂ my body, handsÃÆ'‚ÂÂ and > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Such a beautiful > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚ÂÂ language/culture.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 I don't know about I-sign. I downloaded Tap to talk from the i-tunes store. IT was free. We are still learning to use it. On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:13 AM, agirlnamedsuess21 < agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote: > > > So, all you have to do is purchase an Iphone and then use the Itouch > service? > If so, then what exactly does the Isign program do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚Â Many > of > > > > > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚Â My kid can'tÃÆ'‚Â turn a > door knob > > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚Â years and years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia > can'tÃÆ'‚Â point with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚Â norÃÆ'‚Â isolate her > fingers and > > > > > > sheÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â still points with thumb down > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚Â She hasn'tÃÆ'‚Â mastered > a pincer > > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚Â She > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚Â songs like eensy > > > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚Â even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â your device sounds very > handy.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > thanks.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â I found learning conversational > > > > > > signÃÆ'‚Â hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚Â > ÃÆ'‚Â Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚Â my body, handsÃÆ'‚Â and > > > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > ÃÆ'‚Â Nor can i decipher it when i see > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > ÃÆ'‚Â Such a beautiful > > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚Â language/culture.ÃÆ'‚Â > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â On > > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 No, there is no " iTouch service " . ITouch can use wifi, so you'd just update your apps at home if you have Wifi or at Starbuck's if you don't. Or you can just hook it directly to the computer via USB and use iTunes to buy your apps. You don't pay Apple for that. With my iPhone, we pay AT & T for our 3G phone and data coverage. But if we upgrade to a new iPhone, I can give my current one to use as an iPod touch. Without the phone service it's no longer a phone, does that make sense? It's basically just a tiny computer. It can use WiFi (which I do if I'm home or someplace with WiFi, like hotels, Starbuck's, etc). An iPad is a bigger version of the iPod Touch (iTouch). It's like the size of 3 iPods side by side. It's sort of like a tablet computer...it has a touch screen and it uses WiFi and I think you can buy a data plan for 3G coverage (uses 3G system to upload data...not as fast as WiFi and eats more battery, but more consistent since 3G coverage is very widespread). When I was on vacation, we had no 3G coverage (we lost 3G about halfway up the coast, it's not available in the northern part of Maine or it's spotty. We had Edge, the older data/phone service, until about an hour from Bar Harbor. Edge is slower but free to 3G subscribers). We went to an ice cream place with WiFi to download our mail into our phones each day, and upload facebook pix. We also had WiFi at the hotel but it was spotty and slow. So my phone was basically a camera for most of the trip (when there's no 3G, there's no using the phone as a phone). I hope this is making sense. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:13 AM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: So, all you have to do is purchase an Iphone and then use the Itouch service? If so, then what exactly does the Isign program do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚Â Many of > > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚Â My kid can'tÃÆ'‚Â turn a door knob > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚Â years and years > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚Â point with her > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚Â norÃÆ'‚Â isolate her fingers and > > > > > sheÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚Â She hasn'tÃÆ'‚Â mastered a pincer > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚Â She > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚Â songs like eensy > > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚Â even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚Â > > thanks.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â I found learning conversational > > > > > signÃÆ'‚Â hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚Â my body, handsÃÆ'‚Â and > > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Nor can i decipher it when i see > > it > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Such a beautiful > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚Â language/culture.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â On > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 It's more than an extension of your computer. I have apps on my iPhone that don't exist on my computer. The iPad is the same way. It's portable and useful as a communication device for kids who can't speak. I have a ton of PECS cards on my iPhone, and there's a " first, then " PECS app. As well as " Tap to Talk " and other apps. Plus, I have games, YouTube (comes in handy in Dr's waiting rooms!) weather, facebook, email, Internet, a camera, texting, phone, a video cam, etc.....all on my iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:15 AM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: I know what an Ipad is...it is an extension of your own computer. It is a touchscreen tablet that has no cd drive. I have no use for one of those yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Many of > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ My kid can'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ turn a door knob > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ years and years > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ point with her > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚ÂÂ norÃÆ'‚ÂÂ isolate her fingers and > > > > sheÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ She hasn'tÃÆ'‚ÂÂ mastered a pincer > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ She > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚ÂÂ songs like eensy > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚ÂÂ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ thanks.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ I found learning conversational > > > > signÃÆ'‚ÂÂ hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚ÂÂ my body, handsÃÆ'‚ÂÂ and > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Such a beautiful > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚ÂÂ language/culture.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ On > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 You can use iSign on an iPhone. Does your son's mp3 player have a touch screen? Apple is kinda weird about their apps. You can't just go online and get stuff, it has to come thru iTunes or the app shop (which uses iTunes). So I can't view flash, I can't view facebook video's unless they're YouTube. My iPhone is old, though. Maybe newer ones can do these things. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Apple apps won't work on other devices. DH had apps on his blackberry that he couldn't get to his iPhone, and he's an uber-tech/gadget guy. Hth!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:11 AM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: So, you could not have an interactive sign program, like I understood isign to be, on an Iphone, which is what I thought the original poster or follow-up poster had mentioned. An Ipod does not require service; so, how would one download an interactive sign language program to an IPOD? Does it have a searchable base once you download the isign app? Still confused on how isign would work on on what equipment. I do not have an Ipod, Iphone, Itouch, or Ipad. But my son has an MP3 video with 12 md capacity capability. It is like an Ipod. I am trying to figure out if something like Isign could be converted to work on this MP3 video player and exactly what the Isign is (interactive or just a short sign language tutorial for basic language learning. We are way beyond basic sign language learning, as my son is practically fluent (at least in comprehesion of sign language). He is starting to talk more and use some signs less (unless I do not understand what he means). But I would have to say he is bilingual with his primary language Signed English. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills. Many of > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > with sign . My kid can't turn a door knob > > > > > yet or hold a pen. years and years > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > improvement.  Kezia can't point with her > > > > > > > > > > > index finger nor isolate her fingers and > > > > > she  still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > palm open. She hasn't mastered a pincer > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen. She > > > > > > > > > > > can't do action songs like eensy > > > > > spider even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > >   your device sounds very handy. thanks. > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I found learning conversational > > > > > sign hopelessly difficult.  Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > ordinate my body, hands and > > > > > face.    Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.    Such a beautiful > > > > > expressive language/culture.      On > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > side,  Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > on our foreheads.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 But this still does not tell me how isign can help me (or my son),nor how it compares to Krown Sign Language Translator. I think that was the original intent of my post because someone recommended isign in place of a Krown Sign Language Translator. (?) Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Many of > > > > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ My kid can'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ turn a door knob > > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ years and years > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kezia can'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ point with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ norÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ isolate her fingers and > > > > > > sheÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ She hasn'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ mastered a pincer > > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ She > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ songs like eensy > > > > > > spiderÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > thanks.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ I found learning conversational > > > > > > signÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my body, handsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and > > > > > > face.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Nor can i decipher it when i see > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Such a beautiful > > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ language/culture.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ On > > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Yes, the MP3 player has both a touchscreen and keys (you can use either one or both). It also has a place for an expansion card. It comes with software to convert files. I still do not know what Isign does. No one has really said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'‚Â Many of > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > > > with sign .ÃÆ'‚Â My kid can'tÃÆ'‚Â turn a door knob > > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'‚Â years and years > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia can'tÃÆ'‚Â point with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'‚Â norÃÆ'‚Â isolate her fingers and > > > > > > sheÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'‚Â She hasn'tÃÆ'‚Â mastered a pincer > > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'‚Â She > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'‚Â songs like eensy > > > > > > spiderÃÆ'‚Â even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'‚Â thanks.ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â I found learning conversational > > > > > > signÃÆ'‚Â hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'‚Â my body, handsÃÆ'‚Â and > > > > > > face.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Nor can i decipher it when i see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â Such a beautiful > > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'‚Â language/culture.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â On > > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'‚Â Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Sorry. I don't know much about iSign. But since you asked about the iTouch and service, I thought I'd try to clarify. My bad, apparently. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2010, at 10:49 PM, " agirlnamedsuess21 " wrote: But this still does not tell me how isign can help me (or my son),nor how it compares to Krown Sign Language Translator. I think that was the original intent of my post because someone recommended isign in place of a Krown Sign Language Translator. (?) Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signing is dependant on fine motor skills.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Many of > > > > > > > > > our kids could never speak > > > > > > > > > > > > > with sign ..ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ My kid can'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ turn a door knob > > > > > > yet or hold a pen.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ years and years > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fine-motor work and not one bit of > > > > > > improvement.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kezia can'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ point with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > index fingerÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ norÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ isolate her fingers and > > > > > > sheÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ still points with thumb down and > > > > > > > > > > > > > palm open.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ She hasn'tÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ mastered a pincer > > > > > > grasp at the age of thirteen.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ She > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't do actionÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ songs like eensy > > > > > > spiderÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ even though they are high interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ your device sounds very handy.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > thanks.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > I will explore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ I found learning conversational > > > > > > signÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ hopelessly difficult.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sadly, I can't co > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinateÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ my body, handsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and > > > > > > face.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Nor can i decipher it when i see > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Such a beautiful > > > > > > expressiveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ language/culture.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ Å¡ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ On > > > > > > the bright > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kezia and I can both sign " LOOSER " > > > > > > on our foreheads.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ jay, mom to Kezia 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:28:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: PECS vs. signs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that Signed English is difficult to learn. > > > > > > As with any language > > > > > > > > > > > > > system, even spoken english, if you do not know a word > > > > > > then you have to look it > > > > > > > > > > > > > up. Welearned it very easily. If your child is a > > > > > > visual learner, which most with > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism are, then sign language is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked into cued speech, but found it complicated > > > > > > and difficult because it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > very limted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They make a device (handheld) to look up signs in a > > > > > > jiffy. Krown makes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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