Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. RE: *Autism Risk & Safety Management<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751\ 467> * Autism & Using a Public Restroom by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March 3, 2010 online event Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in progress video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. YouTube video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a public restroom. Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a public men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the violator to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions with sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be questioned, perhaps arrested. So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal or untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having to explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual advances and contacts with the police. The social rules in the public men’s room include: * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when using a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in conversation Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. Chit chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is OK. Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk to ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An exception? Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks is not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers should carefully consider the male and female social differences of restroom use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male students. Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public restroom: A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, parks, airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event venues. A private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your hotel room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing can be heard in the next room! Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If someone is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious help, seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security personnel for assistance. Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a criminal could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you go a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you and select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you absolutely have to. Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or female public restroom: • Keep stall doors locked • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door hook • Do not carry large amounts of cash • If possible, carry a cell phone Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with security or law enforcement: • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card • Develop and carry an autism information card • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you have an information card. Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know and trust 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! Tonight’s youtube video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > RE: > > *Autism Risk & Safety > Management< > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > 3, > 2010 online event > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in progress > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > YouTube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > public restroom. > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > public > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the violator > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions with > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > or > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having to > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > advances and contacts with the police. > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when using > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > conversation > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > Chit > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > OK. > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > to > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An exception? > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > is > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > restroom > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male students. > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > restroom: > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > parks, > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event venues. > A > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > hotel > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > can > be heard in the next room! > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If someone > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious help, > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security personnel > for assistance. > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > criminal > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > go > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you and > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > absolutely > have to. > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > female > public restroom: > • Keep stall doors locked > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door hook > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with security > or law enforcement: > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > • Develop and carry an autism information card > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > have > an information card. > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > and trust > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Sara, This was so timely for me. Last week another child in Darwyn's class had a substitute aide who was a man. I was a little surprised and now I realize I have to formally request that the school not let Darwyn ever be toiletted by a male aide. I worked in child protection and group residential homes and I just don't trust random men. Heck I don't really trust any men except close family with my kids. Sometimes its hard to explain to other families why my daughter doesn't do sleepovers without offending the perfectly nice parents I don't trust I want Darwyn to learn to never go to the toilet with men he doesn't know. I hadn't even considered using the ladies room when he's older. Have you ever had problems with this? Did you ever deal with schools about this? Thanks, Mom to Darwyn (5) DS ASD Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > RE: > > *Autism Risk & Safety > Management< > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > 3, > 2010 online event > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in progress > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > YouTube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > public restroom. > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > public > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the violator > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions with > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > or > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having to > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > advances and contacts with the police. > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when using > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > conversation > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > Chit > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > OK. > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > to > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An exception? > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > is > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > restroom > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male students. > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > restroom: > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > parks, > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event venues. > A > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > hotel > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > can > be heard in the next room! > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If someone > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious help, > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security personnel > for assistance. > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > criminal > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > go > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you and > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > absolutely > have to. > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > female > public restroom: > • Keep stall doors locked > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door hook > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with security > or law enforcement: > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > • Develop and carry an autism information card > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > have > an information card. > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > and trust > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Only once a lady at a church said that the men's room was around the corner. .. I told her I knew but we were not going in there. Never in movies or grocery stores or any other public place. Oh and one other time someon said that this was a ladies room - I told her I knew that but Elie goes where I go. IF he is with his Dad or with , he goes to the men's room WITH THEM. In 's, someone with him checks the single stall before he goes in. Elie had a male teacher who was WONDERFUL with him. I wouold re-think the not having a male aid or teacher. Just make sure you start teaching him to keep his body private. OF course until he is toilet trained, someone has to help him in the bathroom or with changing. I will tell you, that in middle school, when Elie was obviousl a MAN, his female teachers had a real problem with helping him with toileting accidents. We were all much happier when there was a male aid or teacher. Sure there are perverts. And some of the worst are WOMEN!! So just be sure that your school or day care has actually DONE a criminal check - ask to see it. I have and do. If he is with me, we go in the ladies and use the handicapped stall so I can actually be in there with him. > > > Hi Sara, > This was so timely for me. Last week another child in Darwyn's class had a > substitute aide who was a man. I was a little surprised and now I realize I > have to formally request that the school not let Darwyn ever be toiletted by > a male aide. > I worked in child protection and group residential homes and I just don't > trust random men. Heck I don't really trust any men except close family with > my kids. Sometimes its hard to explain to other families why my daughter > doesn't do sleepovers without offending the perfectly nice parents I don't > trust I want Darwyn to learn to never go to the toilet with men he > doesn't know. I hadn't even considered using the ladies room when he's > older. Have you ever had problems with this? > Did you ever deal with schools about this? > Thanks, > > Mom to Darwyn (5) DS ASD > Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) > > IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom > alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is > NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. > > REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Irma Canfield <itcanfield@...<itcanfield%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > > > RE: > > > > *Autism Risk & Safety > > Management< > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > > > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > > > 3, > > 2010 online event > > > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in > progress > > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > > > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > > > YouTube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > > public restroom. > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > > public > > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the > violator > > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions > with > > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > > > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > > > or > > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having > to > > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > > advances and contacts with the police. > > > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when > using > > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > > conversation > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > > Chit > > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > > > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > > > OK. > > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > > > to > > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An > exception? > > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > > > is > > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > > restroom > > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male > students. > > > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > > > restroom: > > > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > > parks, > > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event > venues. > > A > > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > > hotel > > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > > can > > be heard in the next room! > > > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If > someone > > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > > > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious > help, > > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security > personnel > > for assistance. > > > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > > criminal > > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > > > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > > > go > > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you > and > > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > > absolutely > > have to. > > > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > > female > > public restroom: > > • Keep stall doors locked > > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door > hook > > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with > security > > or law enforcement: > > > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > > • Develop and carry an autism information card > > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > > have > > an information card. > > > > > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > > > and trust > > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I have trouble letting my _nine year old_ use a men's room! At least has older brothers to take him to the bathroom...then again, they're not necessarily socially astute either! But...safety in numbers? Sent from my iPhone Only once a lady at a church said that the men's room was around the corner. .. I told her I knew but we were not going in there. Never in movies or grocery stores or any other public place. Oh and one other time someon said that this was a ladies room - I told her I knew that but Elie goes where I go. IF he is with his Dad or with , he goes to the men's room WITH THEM. In 's, someone with him checks the single stall before he goes in. Elie had a male teacher who was WONDERFUL with him. I wouold re-think the not having a male aid or teacher. Just make sure you start teaching him to keep his body private. OF course until he is toilet trained, someone has to help him in the bathroom or with changing. I will tell you, that in middle school, when Elie was obviousl a MAN, his female teachers had a real problem with helping him with toileting accidents. We were all much happier when there was a male aid or teacher. Sure there are perverts. And some of the worst are WOMEN!! So just be sure that your school or day care has actually DONE a criminal check - ask to see it. I have and do. If he is with me, we go in the ladies and use the handicapped stall so I can actually be in there with him. > > > Hi Sara, > This was so timely for me. Last week another child in Darwyn's class had a > substitute aide who was a man. I was a little surprised and now I realize I > have to formally request that the school not let Darwyn ever be toiletted by > a male aide. > I worked in child protection and group residential homes and I just don't > trust random men. Heck I don't really trust any men except close family with > my kids. Sometimes its hard to explain to other families why my daughter > doesn't do sleepovers without offending the perfectly nice parents I don't > trust I want Darwyn to learn to never go to the toilet with men he > doesn't know. I hadn't even considered using the ladies room when he's > older. Have you ever had problems with this? > Did you ever deal with schools about this? > Thanks, > > Mom to Darwyn (5) DS ASD > Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) > > IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom > alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is > NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. > > REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Irma Canfield <itcanfield@...<itcanfield%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > > > RE: > > > > *Autism Risk & Safety > > Management< > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > > > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > > > 3, > > 2010 online event > > > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in > progress > > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > > > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > > > YouTube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > > public restroom. > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > > public > > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the > violator > > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions > with > > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > > > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > > > or > > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having > to > > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > > advances and contacts with the police. > > > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when > using > > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > > conversation > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > > Chit > > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > > > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > > > OK. > > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > > > to > > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An > exception? > > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > > > is > > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > > restroom > > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male > students. > > > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > > > restroom: > > > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > > parks, > > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event > venues. > > A > > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > > hotel > > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > > can > > be heard in the next room! > > > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If > someone > > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > > > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious > help, > > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security > personnel > > for assistance. > > > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > > criminal > > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > > > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > > > go > > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you > and > > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > > absolutely > > have to. > > > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > > female > > public restroom: > > • Keep stall doors locked > > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door > hook > > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with > security > > or law enforcement: > > > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > > • Develop and carry an autism information card > > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > > have > > an information card. > > > > > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > > > and trust > > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 i dont think we have ever had a male attendee for nathan and the bathroom other than his dad or brother, either they eill take him or I will when we are out and about. At school there are male teachers, but all aids are females and they are the ones who help in that area, he does have a private bathroom at school that only he and a few others use, they have a key, it has wipes and a bed (for the severe and profound with diaper changes etc) a big bathroom ---he even has his own cubbie in there and changes in there for PE every morning. shawna May all your ups and downs in life be with a needle and thread. http://sewshawna.blogspot.com To: From: cathynash@... Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 03:57:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) Hi Sara, This was so timely for me. Last week another child in Darwyn's class had a substitute aide who was a man. I was a little surprised and now I realize I have to formally request that the school not let Darwyn ever be toiletted by a male aide. I worked in child protection and group residential homes and I just don't trust random men. Heck I don't really trust any men except close family with my kids. Sometimes its hard to explain to other families why my daughter doesn't do sleepovers without offending the perfectly nice parents I don't trust I want Darwyn to learn to never go to the toilet with men he doesn't know. I hadn't even considered using the ladies room when he's older. Have you ever had problems with this? Did you ever deal with schools about this? Thanks, Mom to Darwyn (5) DS ASD Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > RE: > > *Autism Risk & Safety > Management< > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > 3, > 2010 online event > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in progress > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > YouTube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > public restroom. > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > public > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the violator > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions with > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > or > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having to > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > advances and contacts with the police. > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when using > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > conversation > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > Chit > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > OK. > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > to > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An exception? > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > is > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > restroom > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male students. > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > restroom: > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > parks, > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event venues. > A > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > hotel > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > can > be heard in the next room! > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If someone > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious help, > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security personnel > for assistance. > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > criminal > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > go > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you and > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > absolutely > have to. > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > female > public restroom: > • Keep stall doors locked > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door hook > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with security > or law enforcement: > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > • Develop and carry an autism information card > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > have > an information card. > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > and trust > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I guess my worry was the random substitute male aide in the private toilet alone with Darwyn. I think I'd be happy with a male teacher, but for the very hands on toileting right now - which means help with everything, I'd feel odd about having a man I've never met doing it. I also don't like the random female aides so much either. Sigh, I guess this is good incentive to work harder on independent toileting. Thanks for the idea about using the ladies room forever with me - I like that. Re: Fwd: Autism Risk & Safety Management (Restroom) > > IMHO: I will continue with my rules. ELIE NEVER EVER goes to a restroom > alone. Elie goes to a restroom with a lady in the ladies room. Elie is > NEVER EVER left alone in a men's room. > > REAPEAT CAVEAT: Not ever for any reason. > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Irma Canfield <itcanfield@...<itcanfield%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > > > RE: > > > > *Autism Risk & Safety > > Management< > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > > > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > > > 3, > > 2010 online event > > > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in > progress > > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > > > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > > > YouTube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > > public restroom. > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > > public > > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the > violator > > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions > with > > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > > > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > > > or > > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having > to > > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > > advances and contacts with the police. > > > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when > using > > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > > conversation > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > > Chit > > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > > > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > > > OK. > > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > > > to > > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An > exception? > > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > > > is > > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > > restroom > > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male > students. > > > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > > > restroom: > > > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > > parks, > > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event > venues. > > A > > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > > hotel > > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > > can > > be heard in the next room! > > > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If > someone > > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > > > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious > help, > > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security > personnel > > for assistance. > > > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > > criminal > > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > > > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > > > go > > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you > and > > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > > absolutely > > have to. > > > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > > female > > public restroom: > > • Keep stall doors locked > > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door > hook > > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with > security > > or law enforcement: > > > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > > • Develop and carry an autism information card > > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > > have > > an information card. > > > > > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > > > and trust > > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Sara, I agree and I take to the ladies room with me everywhere I go he goes. We to use the handicapped stall. My husband takes him if he is along. As of yet no one has said anything but if they do I will be just like you. I could see me sending into the ladies room without me. He would have his pants pulled down and his feet behind his head. He loves doing yoga and he would not know what to do by himself in the rest room. I have to verbally prompt him the hole way. People do not have a clue. Cyndi B > > > > > Review of yesterday's online event in regards to this topic. > > > > > > RE: > > > > > > *Autism Risk & Safety > > > Management< > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Autism-Risk-Safety-Management/247829751467> > > > > > * Autism & Using a Public Restroom > > > by Dr. Liane Holliday Willey, Dr. Shore and Dennis Debbaudt March > > > > > 3, > > > 2010 online event > > > > > > Tonight’s short video excerpt from Debbaudt Legacy Productions in > > progress > > > video Autism & Safe Travel with Dr. Shore © 2010 illustrates what > > > > > some of the public men’s room social rules and violations can be. > > > > > > YouTube video link: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > > > Tonight we’ll discuss some options and tips for persons on the spectrum, > > > family and educators about social and safety considerations when using a > > > public restroom. > > > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Men’s Room > > > > > > While singing in the shower at home or in your hotel room’s washroom is > > > perfectly acceptable social behavior, carrying a tune or talking in a > > > public > > > men’s room is not. Silence in the men’s room is expected and normal. > > > Silence, in this case, is golden. Men who violate the rules of the men’s > > > room risk consequences that include others becoming suspicious of the > > > motives of the violator, confronting the violator or reporting the > > violator > > > to authorities. Worse, perhaps, is that the violator is thought to be > > > someone looking for an illegal sexual liaison. Difficult interactions > > with > > > sexual adventurers could result. Police conduct undercover operations to > > > root out this illegal activity. Those who get caught in the sting will be > > > > > questioned, perhaps arrested. > > > > > > So, what’s a guy to do? What if you are merely unaware of the rules and > > > customs of using a public men’s room and violate them without any illegal > > > > > or > > > untoward intent? The outcome can range from unexpected delays to having > > to > > > explain your behavior to startled, angry strangers to unwanted sexual > > > advances and contacts with the police. > > > > > > The social rules in the public men’s room include: > > > * avoiding eye contact * choosing a urinal or stall as far away from the > > > other person as possible * looking straight ahead or up and down when > > using > > > a urinal or stall * washing up and walking out without engaging in > > > conversation > > > > > > Social Rules for Using a Public Ladies Room differ from the men’s room. > > > Chit > > > chat conversation is normal. For example, asking another woman where they > > > > > got their blouse or t-shirt or giving a compliment on their appearance is > > > > > OK. > > > Eye contact is typically acceptable. It is not, however, standard to talk > > > > > to > > > ladies in the public restroom, once you are using the stall. An > > exception? > > > Passing toilet paper under a stall divider to a stranger in need who asks > > > > > is > > > not considered an unusual or suspicious activity. > > > > > > For Educators: The norms in a ladies room, however, would be considered > > > unacceptable behavior in a public men’s room. Moms and female teachers > > > should carefully consider the male and female social differences of > > > restroom > > > use. Strongly consider the input, direction, advice and participation of > > > safe, willing men that can model and teach restroom rules to male > > students. > > > > > > Social and Personal Safety Tips for using either a ladies or men’s public > > > > > restroom: > > > > > > A public restroom can be found at interstate rest areas, truck stops, > > > parks, > > > airports, restaurants, most public buildings and performance event > > venues. > > > A > > > private restroom is the one at your home and, to a lesser degree, your > > > hotel > > > room. Remember that hotel walls are notoriously thin. The songs you sing > > > can > > > be heard in the next room! > > > > > > Do not comment on the noises you hear coming from another stall!If > > someone > > > is ill or needs your help, they will likely speak out to ask for help. If > > > > > however, you do think someone is in a situation that requires serious > > help, > > > seek out and ask a restroom attendant, store manager or security > > personnel > > > for assistance. > > > > > > Anyone using the public restroom is in a vulnerable position that a > > > criminal > > > could easily take advantage of. Be aware of your surroundings and do what > > > > > you can to keep yourself out of harm's way. If you are all alone when you > > > > > go > > > a public restroom, be extra careful to lock your stall door behind you > > and > > > select a stall near the exit so you can make a fast escape if you > > > absolutely > > > have to. > > > > > > Additional Social and Personal Safety Tips for using a either male or > > > female > > > public restroom: > > > • Keep stall doors locked > > > • Watch your purse, briefcase, wallet and personal belongings > > > • Use long strap with pull twist to secure your bags to the stall door > > hook > > > • Do not carry large amounts of cash > > > • If possible, carry a cell phone > > > > > > Here are few tips in case you do need to contact or interact with > > security > > > or law enforcement: > > > > > > • Carry and know how to safely produce an ID card > > > • Develop and carry an autism information card > > > • Carry the phone numbers of trusted and reliable relatives and friends > > > > > > If you lose the ability to speak when under stress, consider wearing a > > > MedicAlert® bracelet or one that lets the reader know this and that you > > > have > > > an information card. > > > > > > > > > > > > Develop a Plan for Safe Use of a Public Restroom > > > > > > 1. Discuss the risks with people that you trust > > > 2. Develop a personal plan of how you will use the restroom > > > 3. Practice safe use of the restroom by role playing with people you know > > > > > and trust > > > 4. Develop generic or personal autism disclosure handouts > > > 5. Role play when, where and how you would use them > > > 6. Adapt and amend your plan. They're not written in stone. > > > > > > We hope tonight’s discussion is useful for you.Don't forget, when you're > > > using a public restroom, safety is about you and your belongings! > > > > > > Tonight’s youtube video link: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnK0jqi2tkk > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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