Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Hi , I was just logging off when your email came thru. First of all you are NOT a bad mother. If you are then the rest of us are worse. I often have to prioritize issues with ...it's just impossible to do it all and still do holidays and all the other stuff our kids need. I too have a list of things waiting to do after I hear from her doctor re: scopes. First I've gotta say Logan's symptoms remind me alot of 's right now. I'm sort of letting it go till I get more info....but she started going anemic before she regressed again. I immediately think of thyroid issues with symptoms like these too. I would definitely ask that the physical issues be checked out thoroughly and blood tests done TSH, T4, T3 etc., iron, B12, vit D (have to ask for this usually...dhydroxy25), RBC, WBC etc. IF he's anemic or hypothyroid it would explain alot and ease your mind. It takes a while for some of these issues to show up in the bloodwork. I'm sorry I sound like I'm talking to you like you're a new mom....don't mean to. You probably have already done this? maybe? Anyway that would absolutely be the first step for me. Trying other techniques while any of these levels are off is a waste of time IMO. Good luck Sherry mom to 21 Hi, guys. I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. - Less responsive - More difficult to engage - Sluggish - Regression of certain skills Toileting, writing, cutting - More in his own world - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete work " no " or " all done " - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and will just have a bm wherever he happens to be I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head in his hands - could he be depressed? I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like a horrible mother. Thanks. Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Sherry, Yes, I did think of thyroid, but not anemia. I will have to check and see when Logan's last T4 was done. I think it was in the fall. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of gldcst Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:37 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck Hi , I was just logging off when your email came thru. First of all you are NOT a bad mother. If you are then the rest of us are worse. I often have to prioritize issues with ...it's just impossible to do it all and still do holidays and all the other stuff our kids need. I too have a list of things waiting to do after I hear from her doctor re: scopes. First I've gotta say Logan's symptoms remind me alot of 's right now. I'm sort of letting it go till I get more info....but she started going anemic before she regressed again. I immediately think of thyroid issues with symptoms like these too. I would definitely ask that the physical issues be checked out thoroughly and blood tests done TSH, T4, T3 etc., iron, B12, vit D (have to ask for this usually...dhydroxy25), RBC, WBC etc. IF he's anemic or hypothyroid it would explain alot and ease your mind. It takes a while for some of these issues to show up in the bloodwork. I'm sorry I sound like I'm talking to you like you're a new mom....don't mean to. You probably have already done this? maybe? Anyway that would absolutely be the first step for me. Trying other techniques while any of these levels are off is a waste of time IMO. Good luck Sherry mom to 21 Hi, guys. I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. - Less responsive - More difficult to engage - Sluggish - Regression of certain skills Toileting, writing, cutting - More in his own world - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete work " no " or " all done " - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and will just have a bm wherever he happens to be I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head in his hands - could he be depressed? I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like a horrible mother. Thanks. Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I'm not sure whether you're far enough north for SAD (seasonal affective disorder) to be an issue, but it came to mind. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:19 PM, " L. Davenport " wrote: Hi, guys. I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. - Less responsive - More difficult to engage - Sluggish - Regression of certain skills Toileting, writing, cutting - More in his own world - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete work " no " or " all done " - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and will just have a bm wherever he happens to be I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head in his hands - could he be depressed? I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like a horrible mother. Thanks. Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 What is his TURNER level - This is the age when my son began his changae from angel boy to most dofficult child. Behavior declined, toileting was awful, aggression increased. No one even suggested in those days that it was hormonal surge. no one suggested checking testosterone levels. And I didn't have a good person to do a Functional Assessment of Behavior. I would check these areas quickly before this becomes engrained - we had YEARS of awfulness beginning at about 11. Elie is now 24yo and much more like the boy we had at 8. So much more willing to be part of peoples' lives and more functional. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, L. Davenport < melissad@...> wrote: > > > Hi, guys. > > I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a > wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental > pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since > around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear > issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when > everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the > world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - > > Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know > if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. > > - Less responsive > - More difficult to engage > - Sluggish > - Regression of certain skills > Toileting, writing, cutting > - More in his own world > - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " > - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete > work " no " or " all done " > - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and > will just have a bm wherever he happens to be > > I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited > on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head > in > his hands - could he be depressed? > > I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like > a horrible mother. > > Thanks. > > > Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism > > > -- Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Sara,, What is level? is now 12 1/2 definitely into puberty and though I don't see any aggression or noticeable behavior changes I am noticing more hyperactivity late at night. Do you think that could have anything to do with hormonal changes? I know mine are driving me nuts! Terry Re: FW: Dr. Keck What is his TURNER level - This is the age when my son began his changae from angel boy to most dofficult child. Behavior declined, toileting was awful, aggression increased. No one even suggested in those days that it was hormonal surge. no one suggested checking testosterone levels. And I didn't have a good person to do a Functional Assessment of Behavior. I would check these areas quickly before this becomes engrained - we had YEARS of awfulness beginning at about 11. Elie is now 24yo and much more like the boy we had at 8. So much more willing to be part of peoples' lives and more functional. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, L. Davenport < melissad@...> wrote: > > > Hi, guys. > > I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a > wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental > pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since > around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear > issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when > everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the > world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - > > Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know > if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. > > - Less responsive > - More difficult to engage > - Sluggish > - Regression of certain skills > Toileting, writing, cutting > - More in his own world > - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " > - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete > work " no " or " all done " > - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and > will just have a bm wherever he happens to be > > I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited > on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head > in > his hands - could he be depressed? > > I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like > a horrible mother. > > Thanks. > > > Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism > > > -- Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 1 is the betginning level - usually one genital hair, slight beginning growth, in boys maybe shadow of hair on lip. It goes up from there. > > > > Sara,, > What is level? is now 12 1/2 definitely into puberty and > though I don't see any aggression or noticeable behavior changes I am > noticing more hyperactivity late at night. Do you think that could have > anything to do with hormonal changes? I know mine are driving me nuts! > > Terry > > > Re: FW: Dr. Keck > > What is his TURNER level - This is the age when my son began his changae > from angel boy to most dofficult child. Behavior declined, toileting was > awful, aggression increased. > > No one even suggested in those days that it was hormonal surge. no one > suggested checking testosterone levels. And I didn't have a good person to > do a Functional Assessment of Behavior. > > I would check these areas quickly before this becomes engrained - we had > YEARS of awfulness beginning at about 11. > > Elie is now 24yo and much more like the boy we had at 8. So much more > willing to be part of peoples' lives and more functional. > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, L. Davenport < > melissad@... <melissad%40genevasolutions.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, guys. > > > > I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a > > wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental > > pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since > > around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear > > issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when > > everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the > > world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - > > > > Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me > know > > if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. > > > > - Less responsive > > - More difficult to engage > > - Sluggish > > - Regression of certain skills > > Toileting, writing, cutting > > - More in his own world > > - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " > > - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete > > work " no " or " all done " > > - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and > > will just have a bm wherever he happens to be > > > > I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class > excited > > on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head > > in > > his hands - could he be depressed? > > > > I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel > like > > a horrible mother. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism > > > > > > > > -- > Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 OK, I’ll bite. What is a TURNER level? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sara Cohen Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:02 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck What is his TURNER level - This is the age when my son began his changae from angel boy to most dofficult child. Behavior declined, toileting was awful, aggression increased. No one even suggested in those days that it was hormonal surge. no one suggested checking testosterone levels. And I didn't have a good person to do a Functional Assessment of Behavior. I would check these areas quickly before this becomes engrained - we had YEARS of awfulness beginning at about 11. Elie is now 24yo and much more like the boy we had at 8. So much more willing to be part of peoples' lives and more functional. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, L. Davenport < melissad@... <mailto:melissad%40genevasolutions.com> > wrote: > > > Hi, guys. > > I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a > wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental > pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since > around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear > issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when > everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the > world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - > > Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know > if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. > > - Less responsive > - More difficult to engage > - Sluggish > - Regression of certain skills > Toileting, writing, cutting > - More in his own world > - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " > - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete > work " no " or " all done " > - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and > will just have a bm wherever he happens to be > > I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited > on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head > in > his hands - could he be depressed? > > I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like > a horrible mother. > > Thanks. > > > Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism > > > -- Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yes, I have noticed some genital hair starting. Does stand for something? I tried to google it and came up with nothing. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sara Cohen Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:37 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck 1 is the betginning level - usually one genital hair, slight beginning growth, in boys maybe shadow of hair on lip. It goes up from there. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Terry <terese11@... <mailto:terese11%40aol.com> > wrote: > > > > Sara,, > What is level? is now 12 1/2 definitely into puberty and > though I don't see any aggression or noticeable behavior changes I am > noticing more hyperactivity late at night. Do you think that could have > anything to do with hormonal changes? I know mine are driving me nuts! > > Terry > > > Re: FW: Dr. Keck > > What is his TURNER level - This is the age when my son began his changae > from angel boy to most dofficult child. Behavior declined, toileting was > awful, aggression increased. > > No one even suggested in those days that it was hormonal surge. no one > suggested checking testosterone levels. And I didn't have a good person to > do a Functional Assessment of Behavior. > > I would check these areas quickly before this becomes engrained - we had > YEARS of awfulness beginning at about 11. > > Elie is now 24yo and much more like the boy we had at 8. So much more > willing to be part of peoples' lives and more functional. > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, L. Davenport < > melissad@... <mailto:melissad%40genevasolutions.com> <melissad%40genevasolutions.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, guys. > > > > I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a > > wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental > > pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since > > around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear > > issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when > > everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the > > world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - > > > > Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me > know > > if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. > > > > - Less responsive > > - More difficult to engage > > - Sluggish > > - Regression of certain skills > > Toileting, writing, cutting > > - More in his own world > > - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " > > - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete > > work " no " or " all done " > > - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and > > will just have a bm wherever he happens to be > > > > I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class > excited > > on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head > > in > > his hands - could he be depressed? > > > > I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel > like > > a horrible mother. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism > > > > > > > > -- > Sara- different pathways lead to Nirvana. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 , Sara has a great point here......(How quickly I forget) was like a kid from another planet for a year or so when puberty started. I couldn't find either but I did find Tanner stages of puberty. So google that. Sara...I only recalled Tanner when I googled " stages of puberty " and it showed up. If I only had a brain....lalala It's just a wondrous being who decided to put us thru perimenopause, puberty and the terible twos all at once. GAHHH Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 It's me and I apologize. It is TANNER STAGES of Development. So sorry!! I am in great decline - late state of 'can't remember anuthing and if I do it is wrong syndrome'. > > > , > Sara has a great point here......(How quickly I forget) was like a > kid from another planet for a year or so when puberty started. I couldn't > find either but I did find Tanner stages of puberty. So google that. > Sara...I only recalled Tanner when I googled " stages of puberty " and it > showed up. If I only had a brain....lalala > > It's just a wondrous being who decided to put us thru perimenopause, > puberty and the terible twos all at once. GAHHH > > Sherry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Oh, count me in with the perimenopause. No one's called it that yet, but I'm suddenly getting weird cycles, menstrual migraines, and sleep is all wacky. Acupuncture is helping. I finally tried it for the migraines but it seems like it's helping other stuff, too. Sent from my iPhone , Sara has a great point here......(How quickly I forget) was like a kid from another planet for a year or so when puberty started. I couldn't find either but I did find Tanner stages of puberty. So google that. Sara...I only recalled Tanner when I googled " stages of puberty " and it showed up. If I only had a brain....lalala It's just a wondrous being who decided to put us thru perimenopause, puberty and the terible twos all at once. GAHHH Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Terrible twos!? Did the menopause thing quick and easy with a hysterectomy - puberty still sucks! J M From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of gldcst Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:33 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck , Sara has a great point here......(How quickly I forget) was like a kid from another planet for a year or so when puberty started. I couldn't find either but I did find Tanner stages of puberty. So google that. Sara...I only recalled Tanner when I googled " stages of puberty " and it showed up. If I only had a brain....lalala It's just a wondrous being who decided to put us thru perimenopause, puberty and the terible twos all at once. GAHHH Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I'm pretty sure I've been in perimenopause for a few years. I keep going thanks to Trader Joe's Vitamins for women (they have extra B vitamins) and my PM PhytoGen Complex. It has the same benefits as tofu but without the health risks of soy. I used to have to eat tofu daily or I was cranky! Lori Mom to Isaac, 13 and Tony, 11 _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Cookson Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:34 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck Oh, count me in with the perimenopause. No one's called it that yet, but I'm suddenly getting weird cycles, menstrual migraines, and sleep is all wacky. Acupuncture is helping. I finally tried it for the migraines but it seems like it's helping other stuff, too. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:33 PM, " gldcst " <gldcstcomcast (DOT) <mailto:gldcst%40comcast.net> net> wrote: , Sara has a great point here......(How quickly I forget) was like a kid from another planet for a year or so when puberty started. I couldn't find either but I did find Tanner stages of puberty. So google that. Sara...I only recalled Tanner when I googled " stages of puberty " and it showed up. If I only had a brain....lalala It's just a wondrous being who decided to put us thru perimenopause, puberty and the terible twos all at once. GAHHH Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Terrible twos!? Did the menopause thing quick and easy with a hysterectomy - puberty still sucks! J Oh yes, sorry....'s seemed to be stuck in the terrible two's developmentally forever. Didn't mean to imply anyone else's kids were so behind. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 LOL! I thought you meant you had one in puberty and one in the terrible twos! No apology necessary - that is what I hate about emails - my exclamation point was a chuckle, not being offended. Thanks again for your ideas, I will keep them in my mind tomorrow. Remind me, how old is ? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of gldcst Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:56 PM To: Subject: Re: FW: Dr. Keck Terrible twos!? Did the menopause thing quick and easy with a hysterectomy - puberty still sucks! J Oh yes, sorry....'s seemed to be stuck in the terrible two's developmentally forever. Didn't mean to imply anyone else's kids were so behind. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 >>>Thanks again for your ideas, I will keep them in my mind tomorrow. Remind me, how old is ?<<< just turned 21 but she's still in the terrible twos. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Hi , My first thought was it seems as though Logan is in a slump. Do you think his school program is no longer stimulating. I would rule ou the med issues first. Charlyne Mom to Zeb 17 Subject: FW: Dr. Keck To: Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 4:19 PM  Hi, guys. I don't post often, but read almost everything as I feel you all are a wealth of information. I am taking Logan to see his developmental pediatrician tomorrow for a host of things that have been going on since around Thanksgiving. Due to the holidays and some (since resolved) ear issues, I chose to back burner these items to see what would happen when everything settled down. Unfortunately, all is still not right with the world. Logan's teacher jokingly says that Logan is in " Woodstock " - Below are a list of issues compiled by me and Logan's teacher. Let me know if anyone has any " light bulb " moments. I am at a total loss. - Less responsive - More difficult to engage - Sluggish - Regression of certain skills Toileting, writing, cutting - More in his own world - Disconnected with classmates - just in the " same room " - Beginning to talk back to assistants when told to complete work " no " or " all done " - Has stopped saying " potty/toilet " at school for bm's and will just have a bm wherever he happens to be I just saw a picture sent home from school with Logan's whole class excited on a field trip and Logan sitting cross legged on the floor with his head in his hands - could he be depressed? I really would appreciate any input. My dh is out of town and now feel like a horrible mother. Thanks. Mom to Logan 10 1/2, Ds/Autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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