Re: Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed.

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Thanks Mr. Ashok Kumar. Expecting more comments from others. Thanks Best Regards taashokkumar subramanian wrote: Yes sir, i am strongly agree with you. Ashokkumar,Subramanian Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed. Dear Friends, Marry Christmas . Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety

course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe. In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the board of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable / informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India. I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who are running the course in India. More over I admire those Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a

Safety Professional job in Gulf. My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic qualification required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory. So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you agree. Thanks Best Regards ta Mukhopadhyay ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

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Dear Mohammed, Nice to have your mail. Wish you all a very Happy New Year 2007. Pl go through my earlier mail , it is clearly mentioned that we need to approach Tech Board, CLI / RLI / DGFASLI & other Govt bodies for getting accridation of International Institution for Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI or others Tech Board. Mohammed, I didn't degrade the value of NEBOSH & I am very sorry if anyway I mean it. In my personal view one year duration DIS course conducted by CLI / RLI is very good and can be compare with International Standard courses. It covered factory visit, Lab practical experiments, Project Work etc which enhance our practical knowledge as well as self confidence also. Out of 9 subjects ( now 8 subjects ) only one paper is there related to Indian Act & Laws, all others related to Industrial Safety & applicable to any Industry anywhere in the

world. For admission in DIS min Science Graduate / Diploma Engg / Degree Engg with 3-5 yrs working experiences required. Therefore one can understand the the quality of the candidates. So passing % definitely will be high. In India I do not think any company ( even construction company also ) allow any undergraduate / untrained person to work as Safety Officer / Engr as our Factories Act does not permit. International Safety courses are being attended by different nationality people with different IQ / merit level & different educational back ground. Therefore result will be different . I think low passing rate does not mean the exam is tough, it may be of different reasons as I have mentioned above. Yes I am fully agree with you we should try to get International Accridation of Indian DIS courses so that people can do it at lower cost within India. Thanks Best Regards ta Mohammed Zulfikar wrote: Gentlemen I am having a contradictory opinion on this matter. I accept that the courses conducted in India by CLI/RLI are best & are based on the Indian laws and standards. These are recognised in India to get job in any states. But the problem with our Govt and our institutions are that they don't want to get accredited by International Professional Bodies like International Institute of Risk and Safety Management (IIRSM), Institute of Safety and Occupational Health (IOSH), or American Institute of Safety Engineers (AISE). This make problem for any Indian Safety Qualified personnel to work in any of the International Companies like Shell, ADNOC or BPL etc. At the same time they cannot work any of the European countries, Russia, England, Canada & America. Internationally in Construction industry, Factories, Production firms, Process oriented industries, Oil Refineries all ask for an international qualification, membership in international professional bodies

etc. Today any person want to gain knowledge, experience and excel in their field. Present scenario of Globalisation, WTO, & ILO we have to be in line with the need of the hour. Everybody want money. If you want to be paid better you have to come out that requires a qualification recognised internationally. In respect of NEBOSH The course conducted directly by an agency approved by NEBOSH, UK. The course conducted now in India is by CHSS, Gulf. They are the second agency authorised to conduct the course in UAE. The course materials may look some what little, but the examination is the one you have to complete. The examination is purely of the English Standards. The papers are valued directly by NEBOSH, UK. Nobody can interfere in this. Presently the Passing out percentage is average 50/100. This shows the toughness in the examination. It is a better idea to get accredition of our courses by International agenceis. Public servants, Govt and Educational institutions have to take initiatives

for this. The Diploma course of NEBOSH is one of the toughest exam to pass. The pass average is 10 to 15%. So please do not degrade the international courses. In the meantime we will make our efforts to get the courses accredited. Best

Regards O Mohammed Zulfikar MBA, MIIRSM, Tech IOSH Safety Engineer Health, Safety and Environment Protection Department Abu Dhabi Oil Co. Ltd. (JAPAN) Email: zoom1455@... zoom1455@... [indiansafetyprofes sionals] Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed. Dear Friends, Marry Christmas . Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe. In my personal opinion I think

the Safety Diploma course conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the board of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable / informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India. I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who are running the course in India. More over I admire those Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety Professional job in Gulf. My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI /

RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic qualification required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory. So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you agree. Thanks Best Regards ta Mukhopadhyay ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

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Dear Mr. Sushanta, Let us all safety professionals re activate the DGFASLI for internationalisation of their program rather running after the inadeqaute safety degree from aborad. Thanks & regards SKP srivastvata Mukherjee wrote: Thanks Mr. Ashok Kumar. Expecting more comments from others. Thanks Best Regards taashokkumar

subramanian <sashok1980> wrote: Yes sir, i am strongly agree with you. Ashokkumar,Subramanian Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed. Dear Friends, Marry Christmas . Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe. In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the board of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable / informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of many

Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India. I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who are running the course in India. More over I admire those Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety Professional job in Gulf. My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic

qualification required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory. So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you agree. Thanks Best Regards ta Mukhopadhyay ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

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I too strongly agree with Shri.tha's views.

I have sent this communication chain to the Director RLI Chennai, for

comments. Hope we may contact DGFASLI as discussed.

Regards,

P Subramani

Sundaram-Clayton Limited

Padi

Chennai - 600 050

sheo kumar

prasad

srivastva To

<skps65@yahoo ta Mukherjee

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Re: Safety

01/08/2007 Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be

09:41 PM discussed.

Dear Mr. Sushanta,

Let us all safety professionals re activate the DGFASLI for

internationalisation

of their program rather running after the inadeqaute safety degree from aborad.

Thanks & regards

SKP srivastva

ta Mukherjee wrote:

Thanks Mr. Ashok Kumar.

Expecting more comments from others.

Thanks

Best Regards

ta

ashokkumar subramanian wrote:

Yes sir,

i am strongly agree with you.

Ashokkumar,Subramanian

Safety Course - NEBOSH,

subject

need to be discussed.

Dear Friends,

Marry Christmas .

Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety course

in

India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a

safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe.

In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course conducted

by

CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the

board

of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable /

informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course

or

NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials,

Infrastructure of many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and

found

in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are

running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became

a

business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India.

I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who

are

running the course in India. More over I admire those Indian who

realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety

Professional job in Gulf.

My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about

International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by

CLI /

RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies

to

get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s )

by

means of getting accridition of some International Institution or

University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI /

RLI

s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic qualification

required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs

working

experiences in Supervisory catagory.

So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you

agree.

Thanks

Best Regards

ta Mukhopadhyay

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Dear Indian Safety Professionals, Good Morning. Thanks a lot Mr. Subramani for taking the initiative. Hope our combine effort will yield better result. It may not be possible to send a soft copy to DGFASLI / CLI / RLI / Tech Board with all ours signatures. Therefore I request you all to send individual mail to the above said governing bodies regarding INTERNATIONALISATION of Diploma in Industrial Safety Course & change the course title as P.G.Diploma in Industrial Safety which will add more value. As India's Industrial growth , Economic condition is in increasing train ( outstanding performance as per world economic analysis ) & lots of foreign investments are there, I think it is the right time to click the matter & the MNCs not have to call HSE Professionals from other country. So friends let us start something new at the begining of the year 2007 for betterment of Indian

Safety Std as well as Indian Safety Professional. Wish you all the best. Thanks Regards ta psm@... wrote: I too strongly agree with Shri.tha's views.I have sent this communication chain to the Director RLI Chennai, forcomments. Hope we may contact DGFASLI as discussed.Regards,P SubramaniSundaram-Clayton LimitedPadiChennai - 600 050sheo kumar prasad srivastva To .co.in> , Sent by: ashokkumar subramanian indiansafetyp rofessionals@ cc yahoogroups.c indiansafetyprofessionals@... om om Subject Re: Safety 01/08/2007 Course - NEBOSH,

subject need to be 09:41 PM discussed. Dear Mr. Sushanta, Let us all safety professionals re activate the DGFASLI for internationalisation of their program rather running after the inadeqaute safety degree from aborad. Thanks & regards SKP srivastva ta Mukherjee wrote: Thanks Mr. Ashok Kumar. Expecting more comments from others. Thanks Best Regards ta ashokkumar subramanian wrote: Yes sir, i am strongly agree with you. Ashokkumar,Subramanian Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed. Dear Friends, Marry

Christmas . Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe. In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the board of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable / informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India. I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who are running the course in India. More

over I admire those Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety Professional job in Gulf. My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic qualification required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory. So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you agree. Thanks Best Regards ta Mukhopadhyay ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Dear

Safety Colleagues

Its very difficult to Internationailising our

course by DGFASLI . For eg. Malaysia or S’pore govt. do not recognize our DIS course though we hv

more subjects and better selection of candidates. In India we insist for engg. backgrd.

Or BSc. for pursuing Safety course whereas in other countries anybody 10th

pass candidate also can do it. For pursuing NEBOSH course knolwegde of

English is enough!

Secondly the recognition for NEBOSH at

Gulf is b’cause its from UK. After IT revolution only , Indians are recognized as Intellectual

people in the global arena; though we had it earlier.

Finally the course is popular b’cause

of commercialism which brings in professionalism. NEBOSH course is

conducted by trg. agents who advt. heavily. There is no in restriction of

intake of students; the course is uptd. To the recent reqts; the course is made

flexible for interested persons who wants to study. Will this happen in India?

Regds

Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need

to be discussed.

Dear Friends,

Marry Christmas .

Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH

Safety course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to

get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe.

In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course

conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by

the board of technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable /

informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH

Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of

many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people

who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions &

became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the

value of NEBOSH in India.

I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing

the people who are running the course in India. More over I admire those

Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety

Professional job in Gulf.

My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to

think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by

CLI / RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get

world wide recognition of Safety Diploma course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means

of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think

the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma

Course as the min basic qualification required for the course is Graduate /

Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory.

So friends we can discuss the matter & may do

a revolution if you agree.

Thanks

Best Regards

ta Mukhopadhyay

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

__

[Guest guest]

Hi, We had been discussing about this subject for quite some time. 1. Mr. ta was infact absolutely right, when he mentioned about the pass persentage or the quality of the Indian trained/certified Safety professionals. Our system is designed for specialisation and based on prequalification, whereas, it is not so with Nebosh or the equivalent International courses. But the good point is, they give scope for personnel from other fields to join our profession. This is also one reason, why the pass percent is low. Not that the curriculum is tough or extraordinary. Nebosh Diploma is costly(in terms of indian rupees) and can be afforded by internationally practising Safety professionals. It is tough because these few cannot really spare the required time & efforts due to their busy schedules. Criteria of passing may not apply here, as it is only percentage and not percentile where

only the best of the lot get through. 2. I am surprised to hear that Indian certified professionals find it hard to get into or work in reputed International Organisations. There are quite a number of our friends working in globally reputed organizations like ADCO, QP, Shell, Siemens, Cairn Energy, Petrofac and many more. 3. As a member of IIRSM & a graduate member in IOSH (Which I got only with my Indian degree), May I mention that IIRSM offers only Associated Membership to some international certificate courses & Membership to OUR diplomas or PG courses. 4. This is not to undermine or evaluate any particular course, but all of the recognised courses are equally tough & more or less of the same curriculum. Only need is upgradation in line with the present day technology. 5. International accredition/acceptance

may vary from country to country depending on the existing statutes. I also doubt whether Nebosh certificate/diploma would be accepted by our factories inspectorate in India, because our statutes clearly define the course & syllabus. International courses/certificates could help us get openings in international organizations but that is not all. So, shall we conclude that, there is no question of degradation/upgradation but only individual perception or a matter of regional requirements. Best regards, P V J Varma, ME(ISE) ta Mukherjee wrote: Dear Mohammed, Nice to have your mail. Wish you all a very Happy New Year 2007. Pl go through my earlier mail , it is clearly mentioned that we need to approach Tech Board, CLI / RLI / DGFASLI & other Govt bodies for getting accridation of International Institution for Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI or others Tech Board. Mohammed, I didn't degrade the value of NEBOSH & I am very sorry if anyway I mean it. In my personal view one year duration DIS course conducted by CLI / RLI is very good and can be compare with International Standard courses. It covered factory visit, Lab practical experiments, Project Work etc which enhance our practical knowledge as well as self

confidence also. Out of 9 subjects ( now 8 subjects ) only one paper is there related to Indian Act & Laws, all others related to Industrial Safety & applicable to any Industry anywhere in the world. For admission in DIS min Science Graduate / Diploma Engg / Degree Engg with 3-5 yrs working experiences required. Therefore one can understand the the quality of the candidates. So passing % definitely will be high. In India I do not think any company ( even construction company also ) allow any undergraduate / untrained person to work as Safety Officer / Engr as our Factories Act does not permit. International Safety courses are being attended by different nationality people with different IQ / merit level & different educational back ground. Therefore result will be different . I think low passing rate does not mean the exam is tough, it may be of different reasons as I have mentioned above. Yes I am fully agree with you we

should try to get International Accridation of Indian DIS courses so that people can do it at lower cost within India. Thanks Best Regards ta Mohammed Zulfikar <zoom1455> wrote: Gentlemen I am having a contradictory opinion on this matter. I accept that the courses conducted in India by CLI/RLI are best & are based on the Indian laws and standards. These are

recognised in India to get job in any states. But the problem with our Govt and our institutions are that they don't want to get accredited by International Professional Bodies like International Institute of Risk and Safety Management (IIRSM), Institute of Safety and Occupational Health (IOSH), or American Institute of Safety Engineers (AISE). This make problem for any Indian Safety Qualified personnel to work in any of the International Companies like Shell, ADNOC or BPL etc. At the same time they cannot work any of the European countries, Russia, England, Canada & America. Internationally in Construction industry, Factories, Production firms, Process oriented

industries, Oil Refineries all ask for an international qualification, membership in international professional bodies etc. Today any person want to gain knowledge, experience and excel in their field. Present scenario of Globalisation, WTO, & ILO we have to be in line with the need of the hour. Everybody want money. If you want to be paid better you have to come out that requires a qualification recognised internationally. In respect of NEBOSH The course conducted directly by an agency approved by NEBOSH, UK. The course conducted now in India is by CHSS, Gulf. They are the second agency authorised to conduct the course in UAE. The course materials may look some what little, but the examination is the one you have to complete. The examination is purely of the English Standards. The papers are valued directly by NEBOSH, UK. Nobody can interfere in this. Presently the Passing out percentage is average 50/100. This shows the toughness in the examination. It is a better idea to get accredition

of our courses by International agenceis. Public servants, Govt and Educational institutions have to take initiatives for this. The Diploma course of NEBOSH is one of the toughest exam to pass. The pass average is 10 to 15%. So please do not degrade the international courses. In the meantime we will make our efforts to get the courses accredited. Best Regards O Mohammed Zulfikar MBA, MIIRSM, Tech IOSH Safety Engineer Health, Safety and Environment Protection Department Abu Dhabi Oil Co. Ltd. (JAPAN) Email: zoom1455 zoom1455gmail [indiansafetyprofes sionals] Safety Course - NEBOSH, subject need to be discussed. Dear Friends, Marry Christmas . Recently I have come across a mail regarding NEBOSH Safety course in India. Indeed it is a good training course which help you to get a safety professional job in Gulf as well as in Europe. In my personal opinion I think the Safety Diploma course conducted by CLI, RLI & many others Institutions in India ( recognised by the board of

technical exam of the respective state ) is much more valuable / informative / appropriate than the NEBOSH Gen. Certificate Course or NEBOSH Diploma. I have gone through the syllabus, course materials, Infrastructure of many Institutions running NEBOSH courses and found in many places people who have just completed the NEBOSH Course are running the institutions & became one of the faculty. Now it became a business. I do not know what is the value of NEBOSH in India. I do not want to discourage or any way criticizing the people who are running the course in India. More over I admire those Indian who realised the need of NEBOSH and helping Indian to get a Safety Professional job in Gulf. My request to all the Indian Safety Professional to think about International recognition of Safety Diploma Course conducting by CLI / RLI s. Combinely we may request DGFASLI or other governing bodies to get world wide recognition of Safety Diploma

course ( CLI / RLI s ) by means of getting accridition of some International Institution or University. I think the safety diploma course conducting by CLI / RLI s is Post Graduate Diploma Course as the min basic qualification required for the course is Graduate / Diploma with 3 - 5 yrs working experiences in Supervisory catagory. So friends we can discuss the matter & may do a revolution if you agree. Thanks Best Regards ta Mukhopadhyay ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __