Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Dave Flory wrote: When I talk about momentum I'm talking about momentum of the weight. This is achieved by accelerating the weight so it moves fast and keeps on moving after the force is no longer being exerted by the lifter, until gravity stops it. As in the snatch and the clean and jerk, and not in the press. I think that's what Ed and McGuff mean, too. Casler writes: Hi , I often wonder why this argument (momentum) is used so often and often with specious examples. As I performed my Squats last night I contemplated why I was not flying off the ground with my warm up weight of 140 x 30? In most basic training actions like squats, deadlifts, benches, overhead presses, etc, the biomechanics and leverages at lockout are such that acceleration falls off. I won't supply the biomechanical details of this, but when using normal heavy strength training loads (other than intentionally LIGHT loads) the joint leverages and mechanics are such that one will never experience inertial momentum unless a too light load is overacclerated. While it may be valuable to teach beginners proper form and loading, basing ALL training on such a misinterpretation is not valuable, and even counterproductive, since reasonable accelerations of loads in many actions are what make them valuable and effective, and attempting to perform them without this renders them less effective. While there certainly may exist strength and conditioning actions like the Clean where a load is accelerated quickly, unless you are using an exceptionally light load, it travels very little on its own. Again this is due to the reduced biomechanical efficiency at the top of the Clean compared to the first and beginning of the second pulls. Does acceleration cause the body to encounter load variance? Of course. How else would you be able to curl a large weight without accelerating it to and through the less mechanically effective midpoint? Reducing the acceleration would then limit the load to what could be handled under the limit of the midpoint, thus reducing training forces and loads throughout the whole ROM. Some of the perpetuation of this " momentum " edict was propagated by the Cammed Machine promoters/proponents. This was due to the fact that the " CAM " was actually a " reverse engineering " of natural accelerations interacting with the strength curve, and for the CAM to function, all non-cam produced force variations due to accelerations needed to be reduced to the point of elimination. So now we have machine based philosophy being espoused to apply to free weights which " REQUIRE " various degrees of accelerations to accommodate the force and biomechanical properties of each exercise or lift. The " anti-momentum " edicts are not applicable to well planned and understood training actions. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Force Systems Century City, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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