Re: hairy analysis results

December 5, 2001

I was tested for heavy metals in 1998, right after I got explanted. I was

high in mercury and arsenic on my baseline test. The challenge showed high

mercury, arsenic and copper. Not good!

I was also low in many minerals on my baseline test. Also not good!

As a result of those tests, I had my amalgams removed and did chelation

therapy. Tests afterward showed great improvement.

I have no idea what zirconium is. It was not one of the elements listed on

my test, and I have not found any references to it in my vitamin/mineral

guide. What lab did your analysis?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " cpannarale " <cpannarale@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: hairy analysis results

> Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.

>

> Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of

> things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox

> the system.

>

> Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for

> heavy metals?

>

> Also, what is zirconium?

>

December 5, 2001

I used a lab here in Canada called anamol.

I too tested low for alot of minerals. The doctor I'm working with just

called me to let me now what I tested high for. Actually I'm gonna have him

fax over the info so I can take a look at it instead of waiting till I see

him two weeks after my surgery.

One day till explantation!!!

by the way, I called dr. blaise on the weekend and I spoke to his wife,

wonderful lady, what do most people send their implants to him for. Also,

his wife mentioned that women with saline implants are now starting to sue.

Have you heard of this? I don't think I'd be able to anway I signed some

sort of waiver. Also, anyway no one in the medical community believes

there's anything wrong with me either than mentally. My tests all come back

negative. Even if I wanted to sue, they would say that I don't have any

type of sickness or illness but I'd luv for one of these doctors to have my

head for a day :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: " Patty " <fdp@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

> I was tested for heavy metals in 1998, right after I got explanted. I was

> high in mercury and arsenic on my baseline test. The challenge showed

high

> mercury, arsenic and copper. Not good!

>

> I was also low in many minerals on my baseline test. Also not good!

>

> As a result of those tests, I had my amalgams removed and did chelation

> therapy. Tests afterward showed great improvement.

>

> I have no idea what zirconium is. It was not one of the elements listed

on

> my test, and I have not found any references to it in my vitamin/mineral

> guide. What lab did your analysis?

>

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " cpannarale " <cpannarale@...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:58 AM

> Subject: hairy analysis results

>

> > Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.

> >

> > Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of

> > things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox

> > the system.

> >

> > Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for

> > heavy metals?

> >

> > Also, what is zirconium?

> >

December 7, 2001

I have not heard anything new on any lawsuits where saline victims are

concerned. I have heard rumors of this before, once from Dr. Blais, but I

have yet to see any real action toward this.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Charlene Pannarale " <criviezzi@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:24 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

> I used a lab here in Canada called anamol.

>

> I too tested low for alot of minerals. The doctor I'm working with just

> called me to let me now what I tested high for. Actually I'm gonna have

him

> fax over the info so I can take a look at it instead of waiting till I see

> him two weeks after my surgery.

>

> One day till explantation!!!

>

> by the way, I called dr. blaise on the weekend and I spoke to his wife,

> wonderful lady, what do most people send their implants to him for. Also,

> his wife mentioned that women with saline implants are now starting to

sue.

> Have you heard of this? I don't think I'd be able to anway I signed some

> sort of waiver. Also, anyway no one in the medical community believes

> there's anything wrong with me either than mentally. My tests all come

back

> negative. Even if I wanted to sue, they would say that I don't have any

> type of sickness or illness but I'd luv for one of these doctors to have

my

> head for a day :-)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Patty " <fdp@...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:02 AM

> Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

>

> > I was tested for heavy metals in 1998, right after I got explanted. I

was

> > high in mercury and arsenic on my baseline test. The challenge showed

> high

> > mercury, arsenic and copper. Not good!

> >

> > I was also low in many minerals on my baseline test. Also not good!

> >

> > As a result of those tests, I had my amalgams removed and did chelation

> > therapy. Tests afterward showed great improvement.

> >

> > I have no idea what zirconium is. It was not one of the elements listed

> on

> > my test, and I have not found any references to it in my vitamin/mineral

> > guide. What lab did your analysis?

> >

> > Patty

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " cpannarale " <cpannarale@...>

> > < >

> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:58 AM

> > Subject: hairy analysis results

> >

> > > Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.

> > >

> > > Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of

> > > things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox

> > > the system.

> > >

> > > Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for

> > > heavy metals?

> > >

> > > Also, what is zirconium?

> > >

December 11, 2001

Hi!

Would you mind telling me more about "Hair Analysis?" Is it accurate? Who does the analysis and how much do they charge? Have any other ladies had this done? And how did you hear about this?

Allot of questions, I know. But I had a spinal tap in July, with a sample of my spinal fluid sent to Doctor Shanklin, yet I still have not received any results. Not even a phone call!

I don't know your name, but thank you for any information you may have, in regard to the hair analysis.

Love and Hugs..............

cpannarale <cpannarale@...> wrote: Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox the system.Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for heavy metals?Also, what is zirconium?

December 11, 2001

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Curry

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Hi! Would you mind telling me more about "Hair Analysis?" Is it accurate? Who does the analysis and how much do they charge? Have any other ladies had this done? And how did you hear about this? Allot of questions, I know. But I had a spinal tap in July, with a sample of my spinal fluid sent to Doctor Shanklin, yet I still have not received any results. Not even a phone call! I don't know your name, but thank you for any information you may have, in regard to the hair analysis. Love and Hugs.............. cpannarale <cpannarale@...> wrote: Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox the system.Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for heavy metals?Also, what is zirconium?

December 11, 2001

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

Patty: Do you know if Doctors Data or Smokies Lab has a website?

Thanks for this information. It is very interesting and I am going to look into getting hair analysis done. Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

I agree with this to some extent the only thing that makes me wonder is the fact that if they want to test you for drugs and use a hair analysis that they can actually tell what kind of drugs you did up to ten years ago. SO I have very very fixed opinions on this,

I will look into it further, the thing is that Dr's and scientist tend to want to disprove things that don't make them money and usually if it is something that can be cured or treated with a natural thing, something over the counter like herbs or vitamins, then they do not want to condone it or approve it, that would be death to the drug industry itself. Just think if everyone could cure there issues with some over the counter herbs ? Then the docs and insurance companies, pharmaceuticals etc loose money,

You have always got to keep in mind the way that the FDA operates.

Love

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:40 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Curry

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Hi! Would you mind telling me more about "Hair Analysis?" Is it accurate? Who does the analysis and how much do they charge? Have any other ladies had this done? And how did you hear about this? Allot of questions, I know. But I had a spinal tap in July, with a sample of my spinal fluid sent to Doctor Shanklin, yet I still have not received any results. Not even a phone call! I don't know your name, but thank you for any information you may have, in regard to the hair analysis. Love and Hugs..............

cpannarale <cpannarale@...> wrote: Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox the system.Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for heavy metals?Also, what is zirconium?

December 12, 2001

Hi Meg!

Yes, here is Great Smokies Diagnostics Labs addy:

http://www.gsdl.com/

I have not found one for Doctors Data yet. I'll keep looking.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:05 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: Do you know if Doctors Data or Smokies Lab has a website?

Thanks for this information. It is very interesting and I am going to look into getting hair analysis done. Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

Thanks ! I know you have also posted before that our girls can get a kit of sometime so you can get the hair analysis processed for them. Is that right?

How can we get the test?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

Dear Patty: They can call me at 770-390-0012 for details. Please also see the two newsletters at www.plastikos.com for information on toxicity from silicone. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:14 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Thanks ! I know you have also posted before that our girls can get a kit of sometime so you can get the hair analysis processed for them. Is that right?

How can we get the test?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

I have a question about implants and if they can affect hormones ( I am sure they can and do) imparticularly prolactin levels and can these cause hair loss in your opinion? Is there any treatments you prefer for use to reverse hair loss? Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 12, 2001

Sorry ladies....I sure seem to have alot of screw ups in my letters.

This should have said, "I know you have also posted before that our girls can get a kit of some kind so you can get the hair analysis processed for them."

I'll try to pay more attention. Don't know if it just me being sloppy or what....by the way, I have been feeling really, really great! My head is clear and I have tons of energy and I feel like my old self again. It is a great feeling.

God bless all...

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:14 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Thanks ! I know you have also posted before that our girls can get a kit of sometime so you can get the hair analysis processed for them. Is that right?

How can we get the test?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

December 12, 2001

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 13, 2001

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 13, 2001

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 14, 2001

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 14, 2001

So what does Biotin do? Do you think Meg should keep her implants or just wait it out and see if a good detox will help her?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 14, 2001

Also did you have hair loss? I thought I read that on your web page please tell us what you did to make it better, since we are all concerned about this problem, thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 14, 2001

Dear : I have had my thyroid levels checked and they are normal. I am also taking biotin, but thank you anyway for the advice.

Do you see alot of women with breast implants that have hair loss?

Thanks Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 15, 2001

Most all of the women report hair loss to varying degrees. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I have had my thyroid levels checked and they are normal. I am also taking biotin, but thank you anyway for the advice.

Do you see alot of women with breast implants that have hair loss?

Thanks Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 15, 2001

After your hairloss with gels did it get better or do you still suffer from it now?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 6:25 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Most all of the women report hair loss to varying degrees. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I have had my thyroid levels checked and they are normal. I am also taking biotin, but thank you anyway for the advice.

Do you see alot of women with breast implants that have hair loss?

Thanks Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 15, 2001

It got better. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Heer

Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 1:47 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

After your hairloss with gels did it get better or do you still suffer from it now?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 6:25 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Most all of the women report hair loss to varying degrees. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I have had my thyroid levels checked and they are normal. I am also taking biotin, but thank you anyway for the advice.

Do you see alot of women with breast implants that have hair loss?

Thanks Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: Have your thyroid levels been checked? I would recommend a trial of Biotin 500mcg per day. .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear :Thank you for your reply. I have had silicone implants for about 9 years, and 8 months ago I had them replaced with saline (not textured). I take iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and occasionally a multivitamin. Other than occasionally itchy breasts I have no other problems but hair loss. And my breasts did not itch with silicone only saline. And they do not itch that bad.

Do you offer any blood tests to test for silicone in the body? Does hair analysis test silicone levels? I have not done any detoxification. I am going to look at your website for detox information. Do you think that could help my hair loss?

Thanks again, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear Meg: What kind of saline implants do you have? What supplements are you on. What detoxification have you done? .

----- Original Message -----

From: Katz

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Dear : I was wondering if you could tell me your thoughts and experience with hair loss and implants. My hair is dry and falling out, and I am wondering if it is from my implants or something else. Eight months ago I had my silicone implants replaced with saline. Thinking this would help my hair loss. It hasn't. My hair still continues to fall out like crazy. But I can't say for sure that it is from my implants. (My hair also fell out prior to my implants, but that was from low iron which I no longer have. I have also had all my hormones tested and they are normal.)

Could you tell me if you have seen alot of women with hair loss and implants. And if removing the implants stopped their hair loss. I have no other symptoms from the implants other than hair loss. My ANA test was negative. If I knew for sure that the implants were causing my hair loss I would have them out in a heartbeat. I just wish that there was more information out there on hair loss and implants.

Another question, what tests do you perform with hair analysis. This sounds very interesting.

Thank you so much for your time, Meg

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Kolb

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Patty: We use Doctors Data for hair analysis. People need to be more discerning when they read the popular press. There is alot of misinformation out there. .

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From: Patty

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

I have read that hair analysis is alot of hog wash. I'm not saying this is true, it's just what I have read.

Actually, I think it is a very misunderstood test. Andy Cutler, a PhD scientist who has done alot of research into this has a few nuggets of information that is interesting, for those who are curious. You can check out more here (scroll down to hair analysis comments:

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

Heavy metal poisoning typically messes up the metabolic processes that move minerals around into hair (and other places) so a hair test with more than 4 things "very high" or "very low," or one with 5 or fewer things on one side of "average" among the essential elements is indicative of toxicity.

A hair element analysis will show signs of long ago mercury exposure in that the essential elements will be wildly abnormal if the kid is toxic. Mercury itself may not be elevated.

Anonymous wrote:

>You really need a recent hair sample cut from the right place to assess a >person's current status. Old hair samples only show what was going on>when they were cut.Which may actually be what you want to know. If he got mercury toxic back then, it might all be packed away in his brain and not in his hair at this point in time. Personally I found it extremely informative to analyze hair from a couple of years before I realized I was mercury toxic - which was also before I was taking a lot of the more helpful nutritional supplements. The earlier hair sample was quite diagnostic, the later one was not.

Question:

>"Where is the best and most reliable lab for testing??"Doctor's Data does a lot of elements, their results are accurate (I have done and seen enough tests done there to be sure of this) and they are pretty inexpensive.Many other "alternative" labs do these kinds of tests as well. Prices vary substantially."Health plan" labs like Kline are notoriously inaccurate (and I have several personal results from them and results from a few other people that conclusively prove this) and I highly recommend people avoid having blood, urine or hair toxic elements done at "mainstream" laboratories. I am sure that some of these labs do a great job, but due to corrupt federal and state laws they are not allowed to talk to you about what they do so it isn't possible for you to determine if the lab your health plan signed up with is one of the good ones or not.Aside from the problem of HMOs putting too much pressure on labs to cut costs by firing all the people who know what they are doing, or who take the time to handle samples properly, there is another problem - the major source of samples for "mainstream" labs to analyze for toxic metals are from routine industrial hygiene screenings where the labs don't expect to find problems so they really don't think it is important to get accurate numbers. "Alternative" labs think they are looking for environmental intoxication in an attempt to correctly diagnose sick patients so they take the analysis seriously as they believe it affects whether someone gets well or continues to suffer.So my suggestion (as a patient rather than as a physician - and as a Ph. D. chemist rather than as a physician who just squeaked by freshman chemistry and really suffered to make it through organic chem) is to use Doctor's Data if at all possible, and failing that to use any other "alternative" lab like Great Smokies or Great Plains, and only as an absolute last resort to use "mainstream" labs.Andy CutlerPS If anyone can show me enough testing from another lab to verify it gets thenumbers right (e. g. serial urine testing on a single individual) I would love to see it so I can be pledging for more than one lab and stop sounding like a DDI advertisement. I'd also like to know of other labs with equivalently low prices.

Andy Cutler

December 15, 2001

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I would get on the phone and start bugging who ever is responsible for this test for the results. This would be important information to know.

As for the hair analysis, you can check with Dr. Kolb. They use Doctor's Data labs, which has been reputed to be one of the best for this analysis.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Curry

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: hairy analysis results

Hi! Would you mind telling me more about "Hair Analysis?" Is it accurate? Who does the analysis and how much do they charge? Have any other ladies had this done? And how did you hear about this? Allot of questions, I know. But I had a spinal tap in July, with a sample of my spinal fluid sent to Doctor Shanklin, yet I still have not received any results. Not even a phone call! I don't know your name, but thank you for any information you may have, in regard to the hair analysis. Love and Hugs.............. cpannarale <cpannarale@...> wrote: Well I got my hair analysis results for toxic metals.Seems that I am high on aluminum and zirconium and low on alot of things like zinc, etc. the things I've heard naturally help to detox the system.Has anyone here had hair analysis done and did you test high for heavy metals?Also, what is zirconium?

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