Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 Dearest Sisters & Friends, IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! Lovingly Angry, Martha M NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 OK MARTHA you are def out of line and making me pissed here, to say I do not help other women is the most stupid statement I have heard, you aren't doing anything to find either are you ? We should be supporting eachother not screaming and spewing anger here, wake up yourself and don't be yelling at me or you will get it back at ya girl, what are you doing, I am on the phone and on line with people everyday telling my story and doing what I can, for heavens sake I am not a private investigator and I don't know much about finding someone who isn't well known to me and I am not god, I don't know where she is, I have tried calling numbers given to us, where do you get off yelling at us who are trying to help? We each do what we can, I have allot of issues in my own life and yet I still take time to do this stuff everyday, while fighting for custody of my 9 year old daughter and trying to get my health back, I would appreciate it if you found some other form of expressing your anger than this, Sincerely, ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTHA-NSIF SBIPrayerForum ; BreastImplantNews Cc: ; Lawrence ; Dintino Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL Dearest Sisters & Friends, IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! Lovingly Angry, Martha M NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 My 'Anger' has nothing to do with you, personally, at all. My 'Anger' is about the suicidal rate among BI Women, plus other experiences in my personal life (which have absolutely NOTHING to do with you, and never will), plus my last message from e. My further anger, has to do with the fact that a few BI women continue to attack otherI women ---- and, whether you argree, or not, makes me no difference -- that's not any kind of support! After, you have struggled with this issue for over ten-years, spent all your earnings on setting up a Foundation, making trips to conferences across the country, gone to DC for Congressional, FDA, & IOM Hearings --- you will probably not feel so smart & vocally abusive as you do now. I've been there, done that, more than once -- and hope to meet you there the next time I go! 'And I hope you have something intellingent to say by then! Martha Murdock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 Okay, okay, ladies, first of all, I would appreciate it if these kinds of messages are kept confidential, like the subject heading states it is....there is no reason that this verbal volley-smash-ball needs to be a public event. And really, there should be no verbal-volley-smash-ball to begin with. We are all here to help and support each other, and to suggest that we are responsible for e doing something harmful to herself just doesn't sit very well with me. If indeed e has done harm to herself, there is no doubt that it is a tragedy, and I will mourn this just like the rest of you. But I draw the line at saying that it is my fault, Martha, or the fault of anyone else on this board. The reality is that there are some people who may be not be reachable, or who may need much more professional help than what is available on this forum. Martha, I am sorry that you have also gone through an experience of suicide with someone that was close to you. We can also never forget PJ Brent, and her tireless efforts to help the children affected by implants. But could we have saved her? Her death by suicide was also a tragedy that I will never, ever forget, and I grieved terribly over her death, but I cannot take responsibility for it. Please don't do what you yourself speak out against, and that is typing an ugly word, or throw out accusations that are unfair. I think you have offended a few people here with your righteous anger. Now please, we don't know the truth yet about e, so can we just continue to help each other through our life experiences, and not get hysterical? I know that each and every one of us on this group has a load to carry....some more than others....let us all just do what we can and be gentle with each others emotions and feelings. Please let me never see this type of accusation again, because those that are here to help and support others are here of their own free will, and especially has gone way beyond the call, and I am extremely grateful for her generosity with her time and her love and her support and encouragement. Indeed, I am thankful for each and every member of this support group, and I wish all of us spiritual comfort, blessings and peace in our life, especially now at this time. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL OK MARTHA you are def out of line and making me pissed here, to say I do not help other women is the most stupid statement I have heard, you aren't doing anything to find either are you ? We should be supporting eachother not screaming and spewing anger here, wake up yourself and don't be yelling at me or you will get it back at ya girl, what are you doing, I am on the phone and on line with people everyday telling my story and doing what I can, for heavens sake I am not a private investigator and I don't know much about finding someone who isn't well known to me and I am not god, I don't know where she is, I have tried calling numbers given to us, where do you get off yelling at us who are trying to help? We each do what we can, I have allot of issues in my own life and yet I still take time to do this stuff everyday, while fighting for custody of my 9 year old daughter and trying to get my health back, I would appreciate it if you found some other form of expressing your anger than this, Sincerely, ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTHA-NSIF SBIPrayerForum ; BreastImplantNews Cc: ; Lawrence ; Dintino Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL Dearest Sisters & Friends, IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! Lovingly Angry, Martha M NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 I agree and I am sorry if my response to her post was out of line, I don't want to fight with anyone at all, I am working full time, I have a busy schedule and right now I should be in the shower getting ready to go to work instead I am here because I care, and yes I have done allot of things, maybe not as far as flying to Washington to testify but that isn't to say I wouldn't if given an opportunity and yes I think I am quite intelligent and would make a great speaker so I don't appreciate innuendos like the ones Martha has made, Martha you seem to have so much anger, and I too have allot but I have gotten much calmer recently and am learning that anger will not get us where we need to be, in fact it makes us look silly and immature, so lets keep it where it should be and that is helping and supporting others and not blaming eachother, we are all on the same side as far as I recall and we are all worried for e, but Patty is 100% right, no one can be held responsible if someone chooses to take their own life, that is not fair to even insinuate that, I think we have all been very compassionate to eachother so I am not sure where you are going by saying all we do is fight or whatever, Martha dear stop being like this, get whatever issues you have off your chest in some other constructive ways I beg of you, why not write your story and add it to this site and some others, maybe some pictures, help women in ways that touch them deeply, I know this has been great for me and is very healing, telling my story posting my pics has really helped some women who were terrified make the choice of explantation and Patty is a godsend to us all for starting this group, for goodness sakes lets not turn this into a big mess....we are supposed to be an example to others, not a bad example. next time you have something nasty to say to someone maybe try to think of what it is exactly you are angry about, is it your illness, your position as the NSIF is it too stressful for you to do what your doing, maybe take a rest, and think about what your saying, no one should have to be abused in this manner on this a support forum. I tend to react quickly when I feel I am being offended and I too need to step back and check myself but I am truly putting lots of my time in to each and every member of this group who needs support and someone to listen to, sometimes this does much more for us than anything else. Thanks and again, I will continue to work on finding e as I have been doing. Love, ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Cc: MARTHA-NSIF@... ; and Heer Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL Okay, okay, ladies, first of all, I would appreciate it if these kinds of messages are kept confidential, like the subject heading states it is....there is no reason that this verbal volley-smash-ball needs to be a public event. And really, there should be no verbal-volley-smash-ball to begin with. We are all here to help and support each other, and to suggest that we are responsible for e doing something harmful to herself just doesn't sit very well with me. If indeed e has done harm to herself, there is no doubt that it is a tragedy, and I will mourn this just like the rest of you. But I draw the line at saying that it is my fault, Martha, or the fault of anyone else on this board. The reality is that there are some people who may be not be reachable, or who may need much more professional help than what is available on this forum. Martha, I am sorry that you have also gone through an experience of suicide with someone that was close to you. We can also never forget PJ Brent, and her tireless efforts to help the children affected by implants. But could we have saved her? Her death by suicide was also a tragedy that I will never, ever forget, and I grieved terribly over her death, but I cannot take responsibility for it. Please don't do what you yourself speak out against, and that is typing an ugly word, or throw out accusations that are unfair. I think you have offended a few people here with your righteous anger. Now please, we don't know the truth yet about e, so can we just continue to help each other through our life experiences, and not get hysterical? I know that each and every one of us on this group has a load to carry....some more than others....let us all just do what we can and be gentle with each others emotions and feelings. Please let me never see this type of accusation again, because those that are here to help and support others are here of their own free will, and especially has gone way beyond the call, and I am extremely grateful for her generosity with her time and her love and her support and encouragement. Indeed, I am thankful for each and every member of this support group, and I wish all of us spiritual comfort, blessings and peace in our life, especially now at this time. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Heer Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL OK MARTHA you are def out of line and making me pissed here, to say I do not help other women is the most stupid statement I have heard, you aren't doing anything to find either are you ? We should be supporting eachother not screaming and spewing anger here, wake up yourself and don't be yelling at me or you will get it back at ya girl, what are you doing, I am on the phone and on line with people everyday telling my story and doing what I can, for heavens sake I am not a private investigator and I don't know much about finding someone who isn't well known to me and I am not god, I don't know where she is, I have tried calling numbers given to us, where do you get off yelling at us who are trying to help? We each do what we can, I have allot of issues in my own life and yet I still take time to do this stuff everyday, while fighting for custody of my 9 year old daughter and trying to get my health back, I would appreciate it if you found some other form of expressing your anger than this, Sincerely, ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTHA-NSIF SBIPrayerForum ; BreastImplantNews Cc: ; Lawrence ; Dintino Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL Dearest Sisters & Friends, IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! Lovingly Angry, Martha M NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 Martha I am sorry if I seemed to be angry I have not been involved in this issue as long as you, that is simply the way it is, I didn't get implants till 1999 so you cannot expect me to have done all these things you have, that does not mean I wouldn't want to do them or wouldn't be able to say anything intelligent to them. I don't know why you are saying that I am vocally abusive ???? I am not and I do not appreciate this, so back off and take a step back. I don't know allot about what you have done or what has gone on the last ten years, since I didn't even think about implants or about getting them till 1998 so please don't lash out at me for that it doesn't mean I don't care. And I am not sure who all the BI women are that are attacking eachother, must be somewhere else cause it certainly isn't on saline support. I also don't know what you mean by saying you hope I have something intelligent to say by then, since I don't think I said anything that was dumb. Please stop this and take a deep breathe, relax, this is not good for your health or anyone else's now, lets get back to what we are supposed to do which is helping not hurting eachother. Love. ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTHA-NSIF Cc: Heer Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: e / CONFIDENTIAL My 'Anger' has nothing to do with you, personally, at all. My 'Anger' is about the suicidal rate among BI Women, plus other experiences in my personal life (which have absolutely NOTHING to do with you, and never will), plus my last message from e. My further anger, has to do with the fact that a few BI women continue to attack otherI women ---- and, whether you argree, or not, makes me no difference -- that's not any kind of support! After, you have struggled with this issue for over ten-years, spent all your earnings on setting up a Foundation, making trips to conferences across the country, gone to DC for Congressional, FDA, & IOM Hearings --- you will probably not feel so smart & vocally abusive as you do now. I've been there, done that, more than once -- and hope to meet you there the next time I go! 'And I hope you have something intellingent to say by then! Martha Murdock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 Maybe an apology is in order here???????? Just a thought this morning that I am home sick with a bad sore throat, it was going around at work and it looks like it finally got me arg! In @y..., " MARTHA-NSIF " <MAM-NSIF@P...> wrote: > Dearest Sisters & Friends, > > IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? > > Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! > > I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! > > Lovingly Angry, > Martha M > NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Hi Martha, Thank you for your "earth shattering" words of love and concern. After reading your message, I knew I would not be able to get any sleep tonight if I did not respond to you. I too (like all the rest of the ladies in this support group) love e and have worried, even lifted her in my prayers. Yet, I still failed her. I didn't respond to her cry, only because I didn't know what to say. Afraid that my BIG mouth might take a very sensitive situation and make it worse. I know, it's a petty excuse and I don't feel to good about myself at this time. I can only hope, that where ever e is, she will forgive me. That God will forgive me! Thank you for calling it, for what it is. In my case - selfishness! I was more into my own feelings of inadequacy, than e's pain (whether it be emotional, or physical). Thank you for writing that extremely difficult email - but one that needed to be written. Love and Hugs........... MARTHA-NSIF <MAM-NSIF@...> wrote: Dearest Sisters & Friends, IF e did what she indicated she might do, in her last message to all of us, then WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOBS!!! NOT ONE of you 'gets off' for this! Consider all the conflict, gossip, etc. among all of us, and each one of us should consider ourselves 'guilty'! If we cannot all get along with one another, how in the HELL, can we possibly help a 'floundering sister', who desperately needs our help!??? Right now, I am so angry with myself, and each and everyone of you for not reaching out to those in need, I am ready to strangle you, or break your knuckles, so you may never type an ugly word again --- or will not sit there with 'frozen fingers' when you see a sister in need of help! I DARE each one of you who receives this message to write to me, personally, and tell me WHY you could not help this lady, or why you will not be able to help the next one! If You cannot help anyone, including yourself, then what in the world do you expect of the rest of us??:? Wake UP Time!!! Lovingly Angry, Martha M NSIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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