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Hi ,

Why, are they considering a timer? Nothing would surprise me.

Charlyne

Subject: Stimming Question

To: " " < >

Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:57 PM

Hi Everyone,

's PT asked during the parent/teacher conference today what appropriate

amount of time of stimming is necessary for at school. (I appreciated her

question and awareness of this need that many of our kids have. He can generally

be redirected, but sometimes he " craves " stimming all of a sudden or seems to

need it more during difficult times, ie, transitions, a sudden change in the

schedule, etc.) I didn't know how to answer this question- just curious what

other families/schools have done to address this issue and what has been

successful.

I hope this makes sense and thanks in advance for your input.

Best,

Mom to , 5 yrs old

DS/PDD-NOS

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Hi Charlyne,

The staff at school thinks that is inclined to stim too much, even in the

middle of an activity at times. I don't know exactly how to respond. I realize

that shouldn't be left to stim frequently for extended periods of time,

but redirection generally works for him. They did not mention a timer, although

who knows, maybe that's what they are going to propose.

I would appreciate any ideas you might have to bring back to them. Thanks so

much. -

To: @...: charlyne1121@...: Mon, 3 Nov

2008 21:33:40 -0800Subject: Re: Stimming Question

Hi ,Why, are they considering a timer? Nothing would surprise

me.CharlyneSubject:

Stimming QuestionTo: " "

< >Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:57 PMHi

Everyone,'s PT asked during the parent/teacher conference today what

appropriate amount of time of stimming is necessary for at school. (I

appreciated her question and awareness of this need that many of our kids have.

He can generally be redirected, but sometimes he " craves " stimming all of a

sudden or seems to need it more during difficult times, ie, transitions, a

sudden change in the schedule, etc.) I didn't know how to answer this question-

just curious what other families/schools have done to address this issue and

what has been successful. I hope this makes sense and thanks in advance for your

input.Best,Mom to , 5 yrs oldDS/PDD-NOS[Non-text portions of this

message have been removed]

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One should not stop an individual from stimming but could redirect it

towards like desentizing with some type of an alternative solution.

My son still stims but when he was at school it was requesting the

teacher and staff to consult with the OT who specialize with SPD to

implement a sensory diet incorporated within their schedule.

A timer would be a great idea and allowing their favorite stimming

item. It is baby steps and all of this could be faded out, well at

least it did for my son.

http://www.jeanshaw.com/site/1357437/page/875494

While these behaviors may seem inappropriate or unnecessary to others,

those who suffer from autism are not simply looking for attention or

trying to be disruptive —stimming is a way to reduce the stresses of

the world.

Autism is a disorder that causes people to react to sensory stimuli in

non-typical ways. Stimming is one way of dealing with this bodily

malfunction.

Stimming can be a difficult habit to break because it is so pleasant

to an autistic individual.

Some stimming is not bad, for the same reasons in which we all

self-stimulate when we are nervous. However, if a child's stimming is

interfering with learning, disrupting others, or becoming an obsession

or addiction, steps should be taken to reduce this action.

Discourage stimming if it makes sense—every case is different and

therefore, no steadfast rules regarding stimming can be set.

Stimming is all about comfort, and your child, autistic or not, should

be comfortable as long as his or her activities do not interfere with

others or are not self-damaging.

In regards to stimming, reduction of these behaviors is ideal, but

remember that complete elimination is usually not necessary. Autistic

individuals perceive the world in a different way and we must take

that into account.

Removing of stopping the stimming entirely can lead to a sensory overload.

Irma,20,DS/ASD

>

> Hi Charlyne,

>

> The staff at school thinks that is inclined to stim too much,

even in the middle of an activity at times. I don't know exactly how

to respond. I realize that shouldn't be left to stim frequently

for extended periods of time, but redirection generally works for him.

They did not mention a timer, although who knows, maybe that's what

they are going to propose.

>

> I would appreciate any ideas you might have to bring back to them.

Thanks so much. -

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Dr. Temple Grandin a well known person with autism said she used to

have to hold a spoon that it helped to calm her and if they took the

spoon away she was very anxious. Someone once tried to say that

stemming was bad and that we lose our children by letting them stem

but if you listen to people that are high functioning individuals

with autism usually they will say it helped to calm them. I agree

with Margaret not to stop the stemming. Cyndi B

>

> ,

>

> One should not stop an individual from stimming but could redirect

it

> towards like desentizing with some type of an alternative solution.

>

> My son still stims but when he was at school it was requesting the

> teacher and staff to consult with the OT who specialize with SPD to

> implement a sensory diet incorporated within their schedule.

> A timer would be a great idea and allowing their favorite stimming

> item. It is baby steps and all of this could be faded out, well at

> least it did for my son.

>

> http://www.jeanshaw.com/site/1357437/page/875494

>

> While these behaviors may seem inappropriate or unnecessary to

others,

> those who suffer from autism are not simply looking for attention or

> trying to be disruptive —stimming is a way to reduce the stresses of

> the world.

> Autism is a disorder that causes people to react to sensory stimuli

in

> non-typical ways. Stimming is one way of dealing with this bodily

> malfunction.

>

> Stimming can be a difficult habit to break because it is so pleasant

> to an autistic individual.

>

> Some stimming is not bad, for the same reasons in which we all

> self-stimulate when we are nervous. However, if a child's stimming

is

> interfering with learning, disrupting others, or becoming an

obsession

> or addiction, steps should be taken to reduce this action.

>

> Discourage stimming if it makes sense—every case is different and

> therefore, no steadfast rules regarding stimming can be set.

>

> Stimming is all about comfort, and your child, autistic or not,

should

> be comfortable as long as his or her activities do not interfere

with

> others or are not self-damaging.

>

> In regards to stimming, reduction of these behaviors is ideal, but

> remember that complete elimination is usually not necessary.

Autistic

> individuals perceive the world in a different way and we must take

> that into account.

>

> Removing of stopping the stimming entirely can lead to a sensory

overload.

>

>

> Irma,20,DS/ASD

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Charlyne,

> >

> > The staff at school thinks that is inclined to stim too

much,

> even in the middle of an activity at times. I don't know exactly how

> to respond. I realize that shouldn't be left to stim

frequently

> for extended periods of time, but redirection generally works for

him.

> They did not mention a timer, although who knows, maybe that's what

> they are going to propose.

> >

> > I would appreciate any ideas you might have to bring back to them.

> Thanks so much. -

>

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We work at redirecting Elie IF the stimming is preventing function. But I

cana tell you, he stimm less if we leave him to it. One of his more

annoying (to me) stimms is to straiten his shirt whenever he changes

position (sit to stand, climb in or out of the car, etc. IF I try to

redirect him, he spends 4-5 minutes on it. IF I leave him alone 3-5 minutes

(I have timed the activity - not timed the child).

My thinking is that if the stimming is taking away from instructional time,

then try to redirect. IF it is a soother WHILE LEARNING, leave it be. IF

it can be stubstituted - like taking a walk insteaad of riocking - then try

that.

TIMER???? Hell NO!! Next they will be timing his bathroom time. Tell the

school to get over it. We used timers to give Elie a framwork to complete

dressing - we are leaving in 5 minutes, the timer is set, can you beat it?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, wrote:

> Dr. Temple Grandin a well known person with autism said she used to

> have to hold a spoon that it helped to calm her and if they took the

> spoon away she was very anxious. Someone once tried to say that

> stemming was bad and that we lose our children by letting them stem

> but if you listen to people that are high functioning individuals

> with autism usually they will say it helped to calm them. I agree

> with Margaret not to stop the stemming. Cyndi B

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > One should not stop an individual from stimming but could redirect

> it

> > towards like desentizing with some type of an alternative solution.

> >

> > My son still stims but when he was at school it was requesting the

> > teacher and staff to consult with the OT who specialize with SPD to

> > implement a sensory diet incorporated within their schedule.

> > A timer would be a great idea and allowing their favorite stimming

> > item. It is baby steps and all of this could be faded out, well at

> > least it did for my son.

> >

> > http://www.jeanshaw.com/site/1357437/page/875494

> >

> > While these behaviors may seem inappropriate or unnecessary to

> others,

> > those who suffer from autism are not simply looking for attention or

> > trying to be disruptive —stimming is a way to reduce the stresses of

> > the world.

> > Autism is a disorder that causes people to react to sensory stimuli

> in

> > non-typical ways. Stimming is one way of dealing with this bodily

> > malfunction.

> >

> > Stimming can be a difficult habit to break because it is so pleasant

> > to an autistic individual.

> >

> > Some stimming is not bad, for the same reasons in which we all

> > self-stimulate when we are nervous. However, if a child's stimming

> is

> > interfering with learning, disrupting others, or becoming an

> obsession

> > or addiction, steps should be taken to reduce this action.

> >

> > Discourage stimming if it makes sense—every case is different and

> > therefore, no steadfast rules regarding stimming can be set.

> >

> > Stimming is all about comfort, and your child, autistic or not,

> should

> > be comfortable as long as his or her activities do not interfere

> with

> > others or are not self-damaging.

> >

> > In regards to stimming, reduction of these behaviors is ideal, but

> > remember that complete elimination is usually not necessary.

> Autistic

> > individuals perceive the world in a different way and we must take

> > that into account.

> >

> > Removing of stopping the stimming entirely can lead to a sensory

> overload.

> >

> >

> > Irma,20,DS/ASD

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Charlyne,

> > >

> > > The staff at school thinks that is inclined to stim too

> much,

> > even in the middle of an activity at times. I don't know exactly how

> > to respond. I realize that shouldn't be left to stim

> frequently

> > for extended periods of time, but redirection generally works for

> him.

> > They did not mention a timer, although who knows, maybe that's what

> > they are going to propose.

> > >

> > > I would appreciate any ideas you might have to bring back to them.

> > Thanks so much. -

> >

>

>

>

--

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I do have lots of stories to share in how we worked around my son's

stimming modes.

This is one of the current ones, though.

This is when Soma with the RPM worked with my son and she got him to

express, on paper and spelling it out on a letter board, not vocally

but why does he stim?

He had chosen because it is a ritual for him, a calming affect.

The latest he uses is some type of a slimy like lizard, when working

he places it on the side, in the past it was not like this but working

around it was figuring out to get him to know it was near kept him calm.

It took some work but this is when ABA/VB had helped here too in the

past. The ABA therapist was also studying to be an OT, specializing

within sensory integration, this was great.

This is what Soma had shared at one of her presentation.

Self-stimulatory actions (stims)- The window to the 'open learning

channel'.

Self-stimulatory actions (stims) are the window to the student's

'open learning channels, RPM sessions must be sympathetic to the

self-stimulatory actions because they are the clues to which sense is

stronger than the others depending upon what type of self-stimulation

the person is doing. RPM should allow the 'calming stim' (which does

not interfere with learning), but overpower the 'excitatory

stim'(which disrupts the student's ability to learn).

This is one of her explanation as learning what type of a learner

is and understanding the function of the brain.

" Don't worry about learner type so much. Some children show multiple

stims with multiple selective preferences at different times

auditorily/tactily/ visually/ kinesthetically.

See the open learning channels when you are about to start your

session. Is he tactile at that moment (rubbing his arm / holding

something / mouthing)

Is he kinesthetic at that moment ( moving around / rocking/ flapping)

Is he visual at that moment ( selectively seeing something )

Is he auditory (selectively hearing his own voice /listening to something)

No matter what, you start your lesson and slowly redirect those

channels towards a left breain visual/ left brain auditory channel

(that is the best state towards learning).

It will happen as he gets into a habit of learning " .

Here is another wonderful site.

http://www.myspecialsweetpea.com/stimming.html

Irma,20,DS/ASD

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> TIMER???? Hell NO!! Next they will be timing his bathroom time.

Tell the school to get over it. We used timers to give Elie a

framwork to complete dressing - we are leaving in 5 minutes, the timer

is set, can you beat it?

Unfortunately this is what helped decrease his anxiety issues,

knowing that he did not have to work long depending what type of day

he was experiencing or he knew more or less how much to apply.

This was actually used during his private sessions which most of the

therapist and even Soma uses. It is one of those Time Timer.

This could be faded off, it was just getting him to stay seated and

engage in whatever task applied & transition from activity to another.

I guess, it all depends on the person teaching and the student's

learning style.

This helped him big times or I still would of had him bolting as he

did in the past.

http://www.iidc.indiana.edu/irca/education/TransitionTime.html

Irma,20,DS/ASD

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Personally I would request a sensory diet so he gets his sensory

needs met. I would thank them for recognizing that he needs to do

this and give them ways to redirect the behavior. I would also help

them to recognize possible reasons he is doing this. Does he do this

when bored, or a task is too hard, etc.?

then give them ways to work with him rather than deciding if he can

comfort himself or not.

Karyn

From: McDonnell

Subject: Stimming QuestionTo: " ds-

autism " < >Date: Monday,

November 3, 2008, 7:57 PMHi Everyone,'s PT asked during the

parent/teacher conference today what appropriate amount of time of

stimming is necessary for at school. (I appreciated her

question and awareness of this need that many of our kids have. He

can generally be redirected, but sometimes he " craves " stimming all

of a sudden or seems to need it more during difficult times, ie,

transitions, a sudden change in the schedule, etc.) I didn't know how

to answer this question- just curious what other families/schools

have done to address this issue and what has been successful. I hope

this makes sense and thanks in advance for your input.Best,Mom

to , 5 yrs oldDS/PDD-NOS[Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

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Irma, Thanks for the info. does all of this and then there are

times he does not stim at all. Thanks Cyndi B

>

> I do have lots of stories to share in how we worked around my son's

> stimming modes.

> This is one of the current ones, though.

>

> This is when Soma with the RPM worked with my son and she got him to

> express, on paper and spelling it out on a letter board, not vocally

> but why does he stim?

> He had chosen because it is a ritual for him, a calming affect.

> The latest he uses is some type of a slimy like lizard, when working

> he places it on the side, in the past it was not like this but

working

> around it was figuring out to get him to know it was near kept him

calm.

> It took some work but this is when ABA/VB had helped here too in the

> past. The ABA therapist was also studying to be an OT, specializing

> within sensory integration, this was great.

>

> This is what Soma had shared at one of her presentation.

>

> Self-stimulatory actions (stims)- The window to the 'open learning

> channel'.

> Self-stimulatory actions (stims) are the window to the student's

> 'open learning channels, RPM sessions must be sympathetic to the

> self-stimulatory actions because they are the clues to which sense

is

> stronger than the others depending upon what type of self-

stimulation

> the person is doing. RPM should allow the 'calming stim' (which does

> not interfere with learning), but overpower the 'excitatory

> stim'(which disrupts the student's ability to learn).

>

> This is one of her explanation as learning what type of a learner

> is and understanding the function of the brain.

>

> " Don't worry about learner type so much. Some children show multiple

> stims with multiple selective preferences at different times

> auditorily/tactily/ visually/ kinesthetically.

>

> See the open learning channels when you are about to start your

> session. Is he tactile at that moment (rubbing his arm / holding

> something / mouthing)

> Is he kinesthetic at that moment ( moving around / rocking/

flapping)

> Is he visual at that moment ( selectively seeing something )

> Is he auditory (selectively hearing his own voice /listening to

something)

>

> No matter what, you start your lesson and slowly redirect those

> channels towards a left breain visual/ left brain auditory channel

> (that is the best state towards learning).

>

> It will happen as he gets into a habit of learning " .

>

>

> Here is another wonderful site.

> http://www.myspecialsweetpea.com/stimming.html

>

>

> Irma,20,DS/ASD

>

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