Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 , My son jesse is taking Flovent Inhaler Sulfasalazine 500mg twice a day Celebrex 100mg twice a day Folic Acid 1mg once a day Hydroxchloroquine 200mg once a day Singulair 10mg once per day Hydrocdone 2 to 3 times a day as needed for pain Methotrexate2.5mg 3 tablets once per week Enbrel Injections twice a week Abuteral Inhaler as needed Abuteral Nebulizer as needed Wow thats alot of meds for a little guy now that i look at it. He does pretty well on it. and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 I don't have RA so I don't think I'd be much help to you. My meds are for Fibro Verna > > > I would like to know what types of medication everyone is taking....I'm taking > > Methotraxate...twice a week > Folic acid > Enbrel Injections......taking one a week...suppose to be taking 2..$125 per injection... > 200 mg Celebrex > Predizone > And other medications and vitamins because of my Gastric Bypass surgery and others for my blood pressure > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Are you aware that liquid Methotraxate is very cheap....same effect...draw up in a syringe and put into juice....FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: <12372101@...> < egroups> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Pain Medication > , > > My son jesse is taking > > Flovent Inhaler > Sulfasalazine 500mg twice a day > Celebrex 100mg twice a day > Folic Acid 1mg once a day > Hydroxchloroquine 200mg once a day > Singulair 10mg once per day > Hydrocdone 2 to 3 times a day as needed for pain > Methotrexate2.5mg 3 tablets once per week > Enbrel Injections twice a week > Abuteral Inhaler as needed > Abuteral Nebulizer as needed > > Wow thats alot of meds for a little guy now that i look at it. He does pretty > well on it. > and > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books, > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to > 1/4778/6/_/478567/_/959890437/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > URL to change your membership options: /group/ > RA-support website: http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ > Our chat room: www.delphi.com/RheumatoidArth1/start > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Hi, ! I've been taken off all medication so that I might have a chance at getting a correct diagnosis soon. In the past I was on Voltaren and Minocin. Now I just take ibuprofen as necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <dmillerman@...> < egroups>; " LivingInPain Moderator " <LivingInPain-owneregroups> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [ ] Pain Medication > Hi > > I would like to know what types of medication everyone is taking....I'm taking > > Methotraxate...twice a week > Folic acid > Enbrel Injections......taking one a week...suppose to be taking 2..$125 per injection... > 200 mg Celebrex > Predizone > And other medications and vitamins because of my Gastric Bypass surgery and others for my blood pressure > > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 Hi , First, I want to welcome you to the group. This is a great place for support, compassion and information. We are glad you are here!! I have had RA for 6 years. I live in Washington State and I am 47 years old. I have been on disability for 2 years. My profession before was floral designer/Horticulturist. I am currently taking: Enbrel injections twice weekly Voltarin 150 mg daily Prednisone 10 mg daily and hopefully weening I also use vicodan as needed for pain Right now it is mostly my wrists that are bothering me but I also have problems with my neck and ankles. Take care, Trish --- <dmillerman@...> wrote: > Hi > > I would like to know what types of medication everyone is taking....I'm taking > > Methotraxate...twice a week > Folic acid > Enbrel Injections......taking one a week...suppose to be taking 2..$125 per injection... > 200 mg Celebrex > Predizone > And other medications and vitamins because of my Gastric Bypass surgery and others for my > blood pressure > > Thank you > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 Delaine: I do like your idea but please tell what the etc. etc. etc. is. I would like to try this. Could you give a more comprehensive list possibly? I am sure it would also help with losing pounds and I need to lose pounds. Then of course it does not help that I ate a whole tub of cookie dough in a matter of a few days without exercise. I LOVE COOKIE DOUGH!!! AM I WIERD OR WHAT? Jeannette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 Jeannette I know I probably am not really diet balanced by no means. But, I have never had a sweet tooth. I would rather take a beating than eat a sweet. Bread is few and far between. I do not like Dairy Products. As a baby my mother had to feed me alternative, as I would not take the milk. I am not a big meat eater. Mostly vegetables. Not vegetarian, but not keen on much meat. Sometimes pain is just pain. So, enjoy the cookie dough! I use to make up batches of my cookie dough for my children, so they could have Real Cookies... hot. The remainder I would roll in Saran Wrap, and store in Frig. It was ALWAYS GONE within 2 days! My girls still buy cookie dough now that they are on their own, and do not COOK it! Just spoon it off and eat! Uckie! They say it tastes the best on a Friday night when they get together for movies at home, and put their mud packs on their face, and do the nail thing. (Ha! 5 years ago I bet they never would have dreamed they would be doing this on a Friday night!) Susie ednettieolson@... wrote: > Delaine: > > I do like your idea but please tell what the etc. etc. etc. is. I > would like > to try this. Could you give a more comprehensive list possibly? I am > sure > it would also help with losing pounds and I need to lose pounds. Then > of > course it does not help that I ate a whole tub of cookie dough in a > matter of > a few days without exercise. I LOVE COOKIE DOUGH!!! AM I WIERD OR > WHAT? > > Jeannette > > eGroups Sponsor [click here] > > Our websites: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ > http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ > Change subscription options: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 Hi Delaine, I enjoy reading about your diet changes. I have never eaten meat, nothing against it I just don't like it. My grandmother and mother were the same way. It's funny my oldest daughter doesn't like meat either. We are all first born daughters who are like this, I have always found that interesting. My grandmother, mother, daughter, and myself all have younger sisters who love meat. Strange isn't it. About a year ago I stopped eating dairy, not because of the Ra, I didn't know about stopping it at that point. I just couldn't tolerate it anymore, something else in my family. Not limit to first born females. All my children have a degree of intolerance to milk products. My oldest daughter have never been able to drink milk. Keep writing about your diet it is interesting. Have a good day, Me Mom ---------- > From: Jim & Delaine Lowry <keywest@...> > onelist < egroups> > Subject: [ ] Pain Medication > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:31 PM > > Donna Marie, Susie, and Me Mom > > Before I changed my diet and worked at getting the yeast out of my body, > > there was nothing that I could take that would take away all of my pain. > > I was on prednisone, arava, methotrexate, celebrex (which did nothing), > anti-depressants, etc., etc. My RA doctor didn't know what to do with > me and I was planning to start Enbrel as soon as my insurance company > would approve it. My medication was $650 per month (before I found > an insurance company that would pay for some of it) and I was in > constant pain. When I was on the prednisone, I slept 2 hours per night. > > So, if no pain medications work, try eliminating sugar, coffee, dairy > products, > etc. etc. Sure, it is hard...but it certainly is wonderful to have no > pain. > > Delaine > > > > Our websites: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ > http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ > Change subscription options: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just want to clear up some things on the various pain meds. OxyContin is not hydrocodone. It is oxycodone. It is basically Percocet, but without the acetominophen. OxyContin can also be rx'd in a SR (sustained release) form, in which case, is is supposedly very potent. This is the drug we hear is currently being abused so severely. Apparently, in certain pharmacies, they will only fill a certain amt of the rx, and will call and verify the rx with your doctor. In the SR form, the sig is usually for 1 pill every 12 hrs. Norco is the same as Vicodin ES, Lorcet 7.5, or Lortabs, but with a much smaller amt of acetominophen. It has 7.5 or 10mg hydrocodone in it, but only 325mg acetominophen in it. After my cervical spinal fusion, my surgeon was paranoid that I was getting too much Tylenol with the Lorcet I was taking, so they switched it to Norco. If any of you hear of Roxicet or Tylox, these are the same thing as Percocet. Lorcet, Lortab, Vicodin, Norco, are all the same thing, although they can all be had in varying strengths of hydrocodone and acetominophen, thus you will usually see the strenght attached, such as Lorcet 7.5, Vicodin ES, etc. Percodan are oxycodone, but with ASA (aspirin) and not acetominophen. Hope this clears up some confusion about pain meds, strengths, and what they are composed of. e > Dear Nik, > > Well I never ever heard of tylenol causing hairloss but nothing surprises me, I > think just about anything can cause adverse reactions in some people, I also > think that if you can believe tylenol can cause hair loss it is easy to believe > that something like implants could as well. > > I have been on lortab 7.5's for about 2 years myself so I know the story well. > > My Dr in CA tested my liver regularly and it was always fine, infact he told me > that he has found people are usually capable of tolerating allot more tylenol > than is actually considered acceptable. I was shocked at this when he told me > that 12 vicodin a day was not too many cause when I was still implanted that was > about how many I was taking, and I did not care, in fact he said not to worry > about it, that he was more concerned with my pain than with the tylenol, however > I wanted to be off of them extremely bad, I certainly did not need to be taking > drugs was my opinion, I had enough problems. > Anyhow I still take them and have been cutting back, just had my liver tests > done and all was fine, in fact they always run an acetaminophen level on me and > that has always been so low my docs all were very surprised. Anyhow I take them > for pain, that is where you have to look at what your doing, and ask yourself a > few questions. > are they prescribed for you or someone else? > are they being taken as prescribed on the bottle that is 2-4 pills every 6 hours > as needed etc? > are you taking more than that? > Are you taking them for pain? > That is the number one question to ask yourself. > If you are taking them for pain that is real pain, they do not get you high, > there is something chemically going on there and that is why I have found that > they do not alter my mental state at all, relieve pain yes. So those are key > questions. > Norco is an alternative that I have considered as well as oxycontin, but I tried > it and it was way too strong. > I have chronic pain that is bad and that is something that I know was brought on > by my implants/surgery, I also know that I need to be helped with this, so I > take my meds, as prescribed, I am trying other things to see what works, right > now I am testing out vioxx, so far I amnot seeing much relief there so I will > continue experimenting with my Dr to see what will work. > I also do massage, accupuncture, and other things to control my pain. > There is a big difference in taking a drug for pain, and taking it to get high, > there is also a difference in dependance and addiction. > I know all too well as a recovering addict, so I am very aware of this issue. > I also know that my Dr in CA was a firm believer in relief of chronic pain and > that it was important and crucial in helping people to lead normal productive > lives. > I have heard you say that you don't have allot of pain, so I am wondering if you > are just taking these pills out of habit? > I am also def going to try to get off them, however, I also will not give up my > quality of life to be in pain, and right now to stop my pain meds would be > giving up my quality of life. > These are all improtant things to think about.. > As far as hair loss, I have taken allot of vicodin and never have had hair loss, > but then I don't think I ever had that even with implants to any noticable or > problematic degree. > Remember while vicodin is highly addictive and can be very dangerous, it can be > very helpful and important if monitored use is being done, they can be taken > safely. > Liver tests allong with periodic acetaminophen levels will be crucial to anyone > on this medication. > > So once again I want to stress that if you are the one the meds are prescribed > for and you have chronic pain, you take them as prescribed, have follow up > bloodwork and are not abusing them you should be able to use pain meds as an > importnat part of living a productive life. > There is a fine line in all of this, and that is where one must be exceedingly > careful. > > I also know that I cannot take vicodin forever and that if I do not find the > cause of my chronic foot pain soon I will be forced to see a pain specialist to > see about trying oxycontin again, it is basically the hydrocodone without the > tylenol or motrin. > Norco is an option, however motrin can also be hard on the liver. > Contratry to populare belive vicodin can and is used in many chronic pain > situations safely as long as its use is monitored by a professional. > My new Dr is at the point where he is not ready to give me this medication yet, > however I am in contact with my california Dr who is still giving me refills > till I am at the bottom of the true cause of my pain. > Mean while I agree with e, the soma is highly addictive and probably > harder to kick that the vicodin. I have quit the vic before and they are not > that hard, it is a matter of tapering down depending on how many you take you > need to go down slowly and then withdrawl will be easier. > My Dr in Ca's nurse takes methadone for her chronic pain from RA and she is > always so kind to me and has assured me I am doing the right thing to live my > life right now to the fullest. > When the time comes for me the stop the meds I will, and I am careful to always > take them as prescribed for me. > Good luck to you and please use caution in your medication taking. > Love > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 e, I never ever said that oxycontin was the same as oxycodone or if I did I screwed up and meant to say that no they are not the same, They are totally different drugs, I think I got misunderstood, oxycontin has no acetaminophen in it, that was what I meant and no your not stepping on my toes. The Norco I have seen is not mixed with acetaminophen it is mixed with motirin, or actually ibiprofin, also called vicoprofin. Love, ----- Original Message ----- From: <eRene@...> < > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just want to > clear up some things on the various pain meds. > > OxyContin is not hydrocodone. It is oxycodone. It is > basically Percocet, but without the acetominophen. > OxyContin can also be rx'd in a SR (sustained release) > form, in which case, is is supposedly very potent. This > is the drug we hear is currently being abused so > severely. Apparently, in certain pharmacies, they will > only fill a certain amt of the rx, and will call and > verify the rx with your doctor. In the SR form, the sig > is usually for 1 pill every 12 hrs. > > Norco is the same as Vicodin ES, Lorcet 7.5, or Lortabs, > but with a much smaller amt of acetominophen. It has > 7.5 or 10mg hydrocodone in it, but only 325mg > acetominophen in it. After my cervical spinal fusion, > my surgeon was paranoid that I was getting too much > Tylenol with the Lorcet I was taking, so they switched > it to Norco. > > If any of you hear of Roxicet or Tylox, these are the > same thing as Percocet. Lorcet, Lortab, Vicodin, Norco, > are all the same thing, although they can all be had in > varying strengths of hydrocodone and acetominophen, thus > you will usually see the strenght attached, such as > Lorcet 7.5, Vicodin ES, etc. Percodan are oxycodone, > but with ASA (aspirin) and not acetominophen. > > Hope this clears up some confusion about pain meds, > strengths, and what they are composed of. > > e > > Dear Nik, > > > > Well I never ever heard of tylenol causing hairloss but nothing surprises me, I > > think just about anything can cause adverse reactions in some people, I also > > think that if you can believe tylenol can cause hair loss it is easy to believe > > that something like implants could as well. > > > > I have been on lortab 7.5's for about 2 years myself so I know the story well. > > > > My Dr in CA tested my liver regularly and it was always fine, infact he told me > > that he has found people are usually capable of tolerating allot more tylenol > > than is actually considered acceptable. I was shocked at this when he told me > > that 12 vicodin a day was not too many cause when I was still implanted that was > > about how many I was taking, and I did not care, in fact he said not to worry > > about it, that he was more concerned with my pain than with the tylenol, however > > I wanted to be off of them extremely bad, I certainly did not need to be taking > > drugs was my opinion, I had enough problems. > > Anyhow I still take them and have been cutting back, just had my liver tests > > done and all was fine, in fact they always run an acetaminophen level on me and > > that has always been so low my docs all were very surprised. Anyhow I take them > > for pain, that is where you have to look at what your doing, and ask yourself a > > few questions. > > are they prescribed for you or someone else? > > are they being taken as prescribed on the bottle that is 2-4 pills every 6 hours > > as needed etc? > > are you taking more than that? > > Are you taking them for pain? > > That is the number one question to ask yourself. > > If you are taking them for pain that is real pain, they do not get you high, > > there is something chemically going on there and that is why I have found that > > they do not alter my mental state at all, relieve pain yes. So those are key > > questions. > > Norco is an alternative that I have considered as well as oxycontin, but I tried > > it and it was way too strong. > > I have chronic pain that is bad and that is something that I know was brought on > > by my implants/surgery, I also know that I need to be helped with this, so I > > take my meds, as prescribed, I am trying other things to see what works, right > > now I am testing out vioxx, so far I amnot seeing much relief there so I will > > continue experimenting with my Dr to see what will work. > > I also do massage, accupuncture, and other things to control my pain. > > There is a big difference in taking a drug for pain, and taking it to get high, > > there is also a difference in dependance and addiction. > > I know all too well as a recovering addict, so I am very aware of this issue. > > I also know that my Dr in CA was a firm believer in relief of chronic pain and > > that it was important and crucial in helping people to lead normal productive > > lives. > > I have heard you say that you don't have allot of pain, so I am wondering if you > > are just taking these pills out of habit? > > I am also def going to try to get off them, however, I also will not give up my > > quality of life to be in pain, and right now to stop my pain meds would be > > giving up my quality of life. > > These are all improtant things to think about.. > > As far as hair loss, I have taken allot of vicodin and never have had hair loss, > > but then I don't think I ever had that even with implants to any noticable or > > problematic degree. > > Remember while vicodin is highly addictive and can be very dangerous, it can be > > very helpful and important if monitored use is being done, they can be taken > > safely. > > Liver tests allong with periodic acetaminophen levels will be crucial to anyone > > on this medication. > > > > So once again I want to stress that if you are the one the meds are prescribed > > for and you have chronic pain, you take them as prescribed, have follow up > > bloodwork and are not abusing them you should be able to use pain meds as an > > importnat part of living a productive life. > > There is a fine line in all of this, and that is where one must be exceedingly > > careful. > > > > I also know that I cannot take vicodin forever and that if I do not find the > > cause of my chronic foot pain soon I will be forced to see a pain specialist to > > see about trying oxycontin again, it is basically the hydrocodone without the > > tylenol or motrin. > > Norco is an option, however motrin can also be hard on the liver. > > Contratry to populare belive vicodin can and is used in many chronic pain > > situations safely as long as its use is monitored by a professional. > > My new Dr is at the point where he is not ready to give me this medication yet, > > however I am in contact with my california Dr who is still giving me refills > > till I am at the bottom of the true cause of my pain. > > Mean while I agree with e, the soma is highly addictive and probably > > harder to kick that the vicodin. I have quit the vic before and they are not > > that hard, it is a matter of tapering down depending on how many you take you > need to go down slowly and then withdrawl will be easier. > > My Dr in Ca's nurse takes methadone for her chronic pain from RA and she is > > always so kind to me and has assured me I am doing the right thing to live my > > life right now to the fullest. > > When the time comes for me the stop the meds I will, and I am careful to always > > take them as prescribed for me. > > Good luck to you and please use caution in your medication taking. > > Love > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 , Norco is completely different than Vicoprofen. Norco has absolutely no ibuprofen in it. Trust me, I had never even heard about Norco until my surgery, and then I learned everything I ever wanted (and didn't want) to know about it. Apparently it's not used too much and many docs don't know about it because it's not rx'd a lot. While Norco is a high dose of hydrocodone and a low dose of acetominophen, Vicoprofen is, obviously, vicodin and ibuprofen. I believe that Vicoprofen is name brand only and there is no generic yet, as last yr I had a doc rx it for me, and my copay was $40, as the pharmacist told me that there wasn't a generic yet for it. But Norco is not a combination of ibuprofen at all. Vicoprofen is the first drug (I believe) that has combined a narcotic with ibuprofen, although I've had docs tell me that it isn't worth the money and to just get vicodin and alternate it with ibuprofen to save money. Oh well, I hate talking about all these pain meds, because I am in such agonizing pain and not one doc will rx any pain meds for me! I am at a point where I can barely move at the waist, or take a deep breath. That is how severe it is. You know how we nurses ask pts how bad their pain is on a scale of 1-10? Well, mine is a 15!! And I'm not being facetious!! I'm glad you had a good wknd. It sounds like you had a wonderful time. I just love SLC. It is a very romantic place. I am jealous you have such a caring loving husband. My high school sweetheart is like that, and we have managed to pick up right where we left off in hs. Unfortunately, he's married, but not happily. If he were to divorce his wife, I'd marry him in a minute. e > e, > I never ever said that oxycontin was the same as oxycodone or if I did I > screwed up and meant to say that no they are not the same, > > They are totally different drugs, I think I got misunderstood, oxycontin has > no acetaminophen in it, that was what I meant and no your not stepping on my > toes. > > The Norco I have seen is not mixed with acetaminophen it is mixed with > motirin, or actually ibiprofin, also called vicoprofin. > > Love, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eRene@...> > < > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: Pain Medication > > > > Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just want to > > clear up some things on the various pain meds. > > > > OxyContin is not hydrocodone. It is oxycodone. It is > > basically Percocet, but without the acetominophen. > > OxyContin can also be rx'd in a SR (sustained release) > > form, in which case, is is supposedly very potent. This > > is the drug we hear is currently being abused so > > severely. Apparently, in certain pharmacies, they will > > only fill a certain amt of the rx, and will call and > > verify the rx with your doctor. In the SR form, the sig > > is usually for 1 pill every 12 hrs. > > > > Norco is the same as Vicodin ES, Lorcet 7.5, or Lortabs, > > but with a much smaller amt of acetominophen. It has > > 7.5 or 10mg hydrocodone in it, but only 325mg > > acetominophen in it. After my cervical spinal fusion, > > my surgeon was paranoid that I was getting too much > > Tylenol with the Lorcet I was taking, so they switched > > it to Norco. > > > > If any of you hear of Roxicet or Tylox, these are the > > same thing as Percocet. Lorcet, Lortab, Vicodin, Norco, > > are all the same thing, although they can all be had in > > varying strengths of hydrocodone and acetominophen, thus > > you will usually see the strenght attached, such as > > Lorcet 7.5, Vicodin ES, etc. Percodan are oxycodone, > > but with ASA (aspirin) and not acetominophen. > > > > Hope this clears up some confusion about pain meds, > > strengths, and what they are composed of. > > > > e > > > Dear Nik, > > > > > > Well I never ever heard of tylenol causing hairloss but nothing > surprises me, I > > > think just about anything can cause adverse reactions in some people, I > also > > > think that if you can believe tylenol can cause hair loss it is easy to > believe > > > that something like implants could as well. > > > > > > I have been on lortab 7.5's for about 2 years myself so I know the story > well. > > > > > > My Dr in CA tested my liver regularly and it was always fine, infact he > told me > > > that he has found people are usually capable of tolerating allot more > tylenol > > > than is actually considered acceptable. I was shocked at this when he > told me > > > that 12 vicodin a day was not too many cause when I was still implanted > that was > > > about how many I was taking, and I did not care, in fact he said not to > worry > > > about it, that he was more concerned with my pain than with the tylenol, > however > > > I wanted to be off of them extremely bad, I certainly did not need to be > taking > > > drugs was my opinion, I had enough problems. > > > Anyhow I still take them and have been cutting back, just had my liver > tests > > > done and all was fine, in fact they always run an acetaminophen level on > me and > > > that has always been so low my docs all were very surprised. Anyhow I > take them > > > for pain, that is where you have to look at what your doing, and ask > yourself a > > > few questions. > > > are they prescribed for you or someone else? > > > are they being taken as prescribed on the bottle that is 2-4 pills every > 6 hours > > > as needed etc? > > > are you taking more than that? > > > Are you taking them for pain? > > > That is the number one question to ask yourself. > > > If you are taking them for pain that is real pain, they do not get you > high, > > > there is something chemically going on there and that is why I have > found that > > > they do not alter my mental state at all, relieve pain yes. So those are > key > > > questions. > > > Norco is an alternative that I have considered as well as oxycontin, but > I tried > > > it and it was way too strong. > > > I have chronic pain that is bad and that is something that I know was > brought on > > > by my implants/surgery, I also know that I need to be helped with this, > so I > > > take my meds, as prescribed, I am trying other things to see what works, > right > > > now I am testing out vioxx, so far I amnot seeing much relief there so I > will > > > continue experimenting with my Dr to see what will work. > > > I also do massage, accupuncture, and other things to control my pain. > > > There is a big difference in taking a drug for pain, and taking it to > get high, > > > there is also a difference in dependance and addiction. > > > I know all too well as a recovering addict, so I am very aware of this > issue. > > > I also know that my Dr in CA was a firm believer in relief of chronic > pain and > > > that it was important and crucial in helping people to lead normal > productive > > > lives. > > > I have heard you say that you don't have allot of pain, so I am > wondering if you > > > are just taking these pills out of habit? > > > I am also def going to try to get off them, however, I also will not > give up my > > > quality of life to be in pain, and right now to stop my pain meds would > be > > > giving up my quality of life. > > > These are all improtant things to think about.. > > > As far as hair loss, I have taken allot of vicodin and never have had > hair loss, > > > but then I don't think I ever had that even with implants to any > noticable or > > > problematic degree. > > > Remember while vicodin is highly addictive and can be very dangerous, it > can be > > > very helpful and important if monitored use is being done, they can be > taken > > > safely. > > > Liver tests allong with periodic acetaminophen levels will be crucial to > anyone > > > on this medication. > > > > > > So once again I want to stress that if you are the one the meds are > prescribed > > > for and you have chronic pain, you take them as prescribed, have follow > up > > > bloodwork and are not abusing them you should be able to use pain meds > as an > > > importnat part of living a productive life. > > > There is a fine line in all of this, and that is where one must be > exceedingly > > > careful. > > > > > > I also know that I cannot take vicodin forever and that if I do not find > the > > > cause of my chronic foot pain soon I will be forced to see a pain > specialist to > > > see about trying oxycontin again, it is basically the hydrocodone > without the > > > tylenol or motrin. > > > Norco is an option, however motrin can also be hard on the liver. > > > Contratry to populare belive vicodin can and is used in many chronic > pain > > > situations safely as long as its use is monitored by a professional. > > > My new Dr is at the point where he is not ready to give me this > medication yet, > > > however I am in contact with my california Dr who is still giving me > refills > > > till I am at the bottom of the true cause of my pain. > > > Mean while I agree with e, the soma is highly addictive and > probably > > > harder to kick that the vicodin. I have quit the vic before and they are > not > > > that hard, it is a matter of tapering down depending on how many you > take you > need to go down slowly and then withdrawl will be easier. > > > My Dr in Ca's nurse takes methadone for her chronic pain from RA and she > is > > > always so kind to me and has assured me I am doing the right thing to > live my > > > life right now to the fullest. > > > When the time comes for me the stop the meds I will, and I am careful to > always > > > take them as prescribed for me. > > > Good luck to you and please use caution in your medication taking. > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 I don't even know where I got the norco name mixed up with vicoprofin, i thought that was what it was, anyhow right now I just take the lortabs they work better for me as ibuprofin makes my tummy messed up. ANyhow drugs are not the answer all the time but ya know sometimes they make a difference in me being able to do somethings so yeah I will and do take them. Have you been to SLC in the winter during Christmas, it is very pretty, the temple and the lights, so neat. I am so sorry about your pain. Do they think the osteo is causing it? What do they think caused the osteo? I am thinking that may be the only thing worng with me that isn't related to implants, what do you think? I was a smoker for 15 years and I am thin and white, bad diet too for allong time? Think it is that or implants? ----- Original Message ----- From: <eRene@...> < > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > , > > Norco is completely different than Vicoprofen. Norco > has absolutely no ibuprofen in it. Trust me, I had > never even heard about Norco until my surgery, and then > I learned everything I ever wanted (and didn't want) to > know about it. Apparently it's not used too much and > many docs don't know about it because it's not rx'd a > lot. While Norco is a high dose of hydrocodone and a > low dose of acetominophen, Vicoprofen is, obviously, > vicodin and ibuprofen. I believe that Vicoprofen is > name brand only and there is no generic yet, as last yr > I had a doc rx it for me, and my copay was $40, as the > pharmacist told me that there wasn't a generic yet for > it. But Norco is not a combination of ibuprofen at > all. Vicoprofen is the first drug (I believe) that has > combined a narcotic with ibuprofen, although I've had > docs tell me that it isn't worth the money and to just > get vicodin and alternate it with ibuprofen to save > money. Oh well, I hate talking about all these pain > meds, because I am in such agonizing pain and not one > doc will rx any pain meds for me! I am at a point where > I can barely move at the waist, or take a deep breath. > That is how severe it is. You know how we nurses ask > pts how bad their pain is on a scale of 1-10? Well, > mine is a 15!! And I'm not being facetious!! > > I'm glad you had a good wknd. It sounds like you had a > wonderful time. I just love SLC. It is a very romantic > place. I am jealous you have such a caring loving > husband. My high school sweetheart is like that, and we > have managed to pick up right where we left off in hs. > Unfortunately, he's married, but not happily. If he > were to divorce his wife, I'd marry him in a minute. > > e > > e, > > I never ever said that oxycontin was the same as oxycodone or if I did I > > screwed up and meant to say that no they are not the same, > > > > They are totally different drugs, I think I got misunderstood, oxycontin has > > no acetaminophen in it, that was what I meant and no your not stepping on my > > toes. > > > > The Norco I have seen is not mixed with acetaminophen it is mixed with > > motirin, or actually ibiprofin, also called vicoprofin. > > > > Love, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <eRene@...> > > < > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Pain Medication > > > > > > > Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just want to > > > clear up some things on the various pain meds. > > > > > > OxyContin is not hydrocodone. It is oxycodone. It is > > > basically Percocet, but without the acetominophen. > > > OxyContin can also be rx'd in a SR (sustained release) > > > form, in which case, is is supposedly very potent. This > > > is the drug we hear is currently being abused so > > > severely. Apparently, in certain pharmacies, they will > > > only fill a certain amt of the rx, and will call and > > > verify the rx with your doctor. In the SR form, the sig > > > is usually for 1 pill every 12 hrs. > > > > > > Norco is the same as Vicodin ES, Lorcet 7.5, or Lortabs, > > > but with a much smaller amt of acetominophen. It has > > > 7.5 or 10mg hydrocodone in it, but only 325mg > > > acetominophen in it. After my cervical spinal fusion, > > > my surgeon was paranoid that I was getting too much > > > Tylenol with the Lorcet I was taking, so they switched > > > it to Norco. > > > > > > If any of you hear of Roxicet or Tylox, these are the > > > same thing as Percocet. Lorcet, Lortab, Vicodin, Norco, > > > are all the same thing, although they can all be had in > > > varying strengths of hydrocodone and acetominophen, thus > > > you will usually see the strenght attached, such as > > > Lorcet 7.5, Vicodin ES, etc. Percodan are oxycodone, > > > but with ASA (aspirin) and not acetominophen. > > > > > > Hope this clears up some confusion about pain meds, > > > strengths, and what they are composed of. > > > > > > e > > > > Dear Nik, > > > > > > > > Well I never ever heard of tylenol causing hairloss but nothing > > surprises me, I > > > > think just about anything can cause adverse reactions in some people, I > > also > > > > think that if you can believe tylenol can cause hair loss it is easy to > > believe > > > > that something like implants could as well. > > > > > > > > I have been on lortab 7.5's for about 2 years myself so I know the story > > well. > > > > > > > > My Dr in CA tested my liver regularly and it was always fine, infact he > > told me > > > > that he has found people are usually capable of tolerating allot more > > tylenol > > > > than is actually considered acceptable. I was shocked at this when he > > told me > > > > that 12 vicodin a day was not too many cause when I was still implanted > > that was > > > > about how many I was taking, and I did not care, in fact he said not to > > worry > > > > about it, that he was more concerned with my pain than with the tylenol, > > however > > > > I wanted to be off of them extremely bad, I certainly did not need to be > > taking > > > > drugs was my opinion, I had enough problems. > > > > Anyhow I still take them and have been cutting back, just had my liver > > tests > > > > done and all was fine, in fact they always run an acetaminophen level on > > me and > > > > that has always been so low my docs all were very surprised. Anyhow I > > take them > > > > for pain, that is where you have to look at what your doing, and ask > > yourself a > > > > few questions. > > > > are they prescribed for you or someone else? > > > > are they being taken as prescribed on the bottle that is 2-4 pills every > > 6 hours > > > > as needed etc? > > > > are you taking more than that? > > > > Are you taking them for pain? > > > > That is the number one question to ask yourself. > > > > If you are taking them for pain that is real pain, they do not get you > > high, > > > > there is something chemically going on there and that is why I have > > found that > > > > they do not alter my mental state at all, relieve pain yes. So those are > > key > > > > questions. > > > > Norco is an alternative that I have considered as well as oxycontin, but > > I tried > > > > it and it was way too strong. > > > > I have chronic pain that is bad and that is something that I know was > > brought on > > > > by my implants/surgery, I also know that I need to be helped with this, > > so I > > > > take my meds, as prescribed, I am trying other things to see what works, > > right > > > > now I am testing out vioxx, so far I amnot seeing much relief there so I > > will > > > > continue experimenting with my Dr to see what will work. > > > > I also do massage, accupuncture, and other things to control my pain. > > > > There is a big difference in taking a drug for pain, and taking it to > > get high, > > > > there is also a difference in dependance and addiction. > > > > I know all too well as a recovering addict, so I am very aware of this > > issue. > > > > I also know that my Dr in CA was a firm believer in relief of chronic > > pain and > > > > that it was important and crucial in helping people to lead normal > > productive > > > > lives. > > > > I have heard you say that you don't have allot of pain, so I am > > wondering if you > > > > are just taking these pills out of habit? > > > > I am also def going to try to get off them, however, I also will not > > give up my > > > > quality of life to be in pain, and right now to stop my pain meds would > > be > > > > giving up my quality of life. > > > > These are all improtant things to think about.. > > > > As far as hair loss, I have taken allot of vicodin and never have had > > hair loss, > > > > but then I don't think I ever had that even with implants to any > > noticable or > > > > problematic degree. > > > > Remember while vicodin is highly addictive and can be very dangerous, it > > can be > > > > very helpful and important if monitored use is being done, they can be > > taken > > > > safely. > > > > Liver tests allong with periodic acetaminophen levels will be crucial to > > anyone > > > > on this medication. > > > > > > > > So once again I want to stress that if you are the one the meds are > > prescribed > > > > for and you have chronic pain, you take them as prescribed, have follow > > up > > > > bloodwork and are not abusing them you should be able to use pain meds > > as an > > > > importnat part of living a productive life. > > > > There is a fine line in all of this, and that is where one must be > > exceedingly > > > > careful. > > > > > > > > I also know that I cannot take vicodin forever and that if I do not find > > the > > > > cause of my chronic foot pain soon I will be forced to see a pain > > specialist to > > > > see about trying oxycontin again, it is basically the hydrocodone > > without the > > > > tylenol or motrin. > > > > Norco is an option, however motrin can also be hard on the liver. > > > > Contratry to populare belive vicodin can and is used in many chronic > > pain > > > > situations safely as long as its use is monitored by a professional. > > > > My new Dr is at the point where he is not ready to give me this > > medication yet, > > > > however I am in contact with my california Dr who is still giving me > > refills > > > > till I am at the bottom of the true cause of my pain. > > > > Mean while I agree with e, the soma is highly addictive and > > probably > > > > harder to kick that the vicodin. I have quit the vic before and they are > > not > > > > that hard, it is a matter of tapering down depending on how many you > > take you > need to go down slowly and then withdrawl will be easier. > > > > My Dr in Ca's nurse takes methadone for her chronic pain from RA and she > > is > > > > always so kind to me and has assured me I am doing the right thing to > > live my > > > > life right now to the fullest. > > > > When the time comes for me the stop the meds I will, and I am careful to > > always > > > > take them as prescribed for me. > > > > Good luck to you and please use caution in your medication taking. > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Why on earth won't they give you pain meds see that is what I don't understand about Dr's at all? That pisses me off. Hey never know about men in unhappy marriages. Not that I am proud of how me and my man got together but he was in very bad marriage and we are so blessed now, I am blessed in that way so much, but geeze the rest of my life is so hard, can't wait to go to court and it next week, please pray I get my daughter, her father is being so mean about this, it is tearing me up, SO GLAD YOUR BACK JUSTINE AND YES LETS NOT TALK ABOUT PAIN MEDs if not for my compassionate Dr in CA I would be here with only this stupid vioxx wich does not a damn thing! HA ----- Original Message ----- From: <eRene@...> < > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > , > > Norco is completely different than Vicoprofen. Norco > has absolutely no ibuprofen in it. Trust me, I had > never even heard about Norco until my surgery, and then > I learned everything I ever wanted (and didn't want) to > know about it. Apparently it's not used too much and > many docs don't know about it because it's not rx'd a > lot. While Norco is a high dose of hydrocodone and a > low dose of acetominophen, Vicoprofen is, obviously, > vicodin and ibuprofen. I believe that Vicoprofen is > name brand only and there is no generic yet, as last yr > I had a doc rx it for me, and my copay was $40, as the > pharmacist told me that there wasn't a generic yet for > it. But Norco is not a combination of ibuprofen at > all. Vicoprofen is the first drug (I believe) that has > combined a narcotic with ibuprofen, although I've had > docs tell me that it isn't worth the money and to just > get vicodin and alternate it with ibuprofen to save > money. Oh well, I hate talking about all these pain > meds, because I am in such agonizing pain and not one > doc will rx any pain meds for me! I am at a point where > I can barely move at the waist, or take a deep breath. > That is how severe it is. You know how we nurses ask > pts how bad their pain is on a scale of 1-10? Well, > mine is a 15!! And I'm not being facetious!! > > I'm glad you had a good wknd. It sounds like you had a > wonderful time. I just love SLC. It is a very romantic > place. I am jealous you have such a caring loving > husband. My high school sweetheart is like that, and we > have managed to pick up right where we left off in hs. > Unfortunately, he's married, but not happily. If he > were to divorce his wife, I'd marry him in a minute. > > e > > e, > > I never ever said that oxycontin was the same as oxycodone or if I did I > > screwed up and meant to say that no they are not the same, > > > > They are totally different drugs, I think I got misunderstood, oxycontin has > > no acetaminophen in it, that was what I meant and no your not stepping on my > > toes. > > > > The Norco I have seen is not mixed with acetaminophen it is mixed with > > motirin, or actually ibiprofin, also called vicoprofin. > > > > Love, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <eRene@...> > > < > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Pain Medication > > > > > > > Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but just want to > > > clear up some things on the various pain meds. > > > > > > OxyContin is not hydrocodone. It is oxycodone. It is > > > basically Percocet, but without the acetominophen. > > > OxyContin can also be rx'd in a SR (sustained release) > > > form, in which case, is is supposedly very potent. This > > > is the drug we hear is currently being abused so > > > severely. Apparently, in certain pharmacies, they will > > > only fill a certain amt of the rx, and will call and > > > verify the rx with your doctor. In the SR form, the sig > > > is usually for 1 pill every 12 hrs. > > > > > > Norco is the same as Vicodin ES, Lorcet 7.5, or Lortabs, > > > but with a much smaller amt of acetominophen. It has > > > 7.5 or 10mg hydrocodone in it, but only 325mg > > > acetominophen in it. After my cervical spinal fusion, > > > my surgeon was paranoid that I was getting too much > > > Tylenol with the Lorcet I was taking, so they switched > > > it to Norco. > > > > > > If any of you hear of Roxicet or Tylox, these are the > > > same thing as Percocet. Lorcet, Lortab, Vicodin, Norco, > > > are all the same thing, although they can all be had in > > > varying strengths of hydrocodone and acetominophen, thus > > > you will usually see the strenght attached, such as > > > Lorcet 7.5, Vicodin ES, etc. Percodan are oxycodone, > > > but with ASA (aspirin) and not acetominophen. > > > > > > Hope this clears up some confusion about pain meds, > > > strengths, and what they are composed of. > > > > > > e > > > > Dear Nik, > > > > > > > > Well I never ever heard of tylenol causing hairloss but nothing > > surprises me, I > > > > think just about anything can cause adverse reactions in some people, I > > also > > > > think that if you can believe tylenol can cause hair loss it is easy to > > believe > > > > that something like implants could as well. > > > > > > > > I have been on lortab 7.5's for about 2 years myself so I know the story > > well. > > > > > > > > My Dr in CA tested my liver regularly and it was always fine, infact he > > told me > > > > that he has found people are usually capable of tolerating allot more > > tylenol > > > > than is actually considered acceptable. I was shocked at this when he > > told me > > > > that 12 vicodin a day was not too many cause when I was still implanted > > that was > > > > about how many I was taking, and I did not care, in fact he said not to > > worry > > > > about it, that he was more concerned with my pain than with the tylenol, > > however > > > > I wanted to be off of them extremely bad, I certainly did not need to be > > taking > > > > drugs was my opinion, I had enough problems. > > > > Anyhow I still take them and have been cutting back, just had my liver > > tests > > > > done and all was fine, in fact they always run an acetaminophen level on > > me and > > > > that has always been so low my docs all were very surprised. Anyhow I > > take them > > > > for pain, that is where you have to look at what your doing, and ask > > yourself a > > > > few questions. > > > > are they prescribed for you or someone else? > > > > are they being taken as prescribed on the bottle that is 2-4 pills every > > 6 hours > > > > as needed etc? > > > > are you taking more than that? > > > > Are you taking them for pain? > > > > That is the number one question to ask yourself. > > > > If you are taking them for pain that is real pain, they do not get you > > high, > > > > there is something chemically going on there and that is why I have > > found that > > > > they do not alter my mental state at all, relieve pain yes. So those are > > key > > > > questions. > > > > Norco is an alternative that I have considered as well as oxycontin, but > > I tried > > > > it and it was way too strong. > > > > I have chronic pain that is bad and that is something that I know was > > brought on > > > > by my implants/surgery, I also know that I need to be helped with this, > > so I > > > > take my meds, as prescribed, I am trying other things to see what works, > > right > > > > now I am testing out vioxx, so far I amnot seeing much relief there so I > > will > > > > continue experimenting with my Dr to see what will work. > > > > I also do massage, accupuncture, and other things to control my pain. > > > > There is a big difference in taking a drug for pain, and taking it to > > get high, > > > > there is also a difference in dependance and addiction. > > > > I know all too well as a recovering addict, so I am very aware of this > > issue. > > > > I also know that my Dr in CA was a firm believer in relief of chronic > > pain and > > > > that it was important and crucial in helping people to lead normal > > productive > > > > lives. > > > > I have heard you say that you don't have allot of pain, so I am > > wondering if you > > > > are just taking these pills out of habit? > > > > I am also def going to try to get off them, however, I also will not > > give up my > > > > quality of life to be in pain, and right now to stop my pain meds would > > be > > > > giving up my quality of life. > > > > These are all improtant things to think about.. > > > > As far as hair loss, I have taken allot of vicodin and never have had > > hair loss, > > > > but then I don't think I ever had that even with implants to any > > noticable or > > > > problematic degree. > > > > Remember while vicodin is highly addictive and can be very dangerous, it > > can be > > > > very helpful and important if monitored use is being done, they can be > > taken > > > > safely. > > > > Liver tests allong with periodic acetaminophen levels will be crucial to > > anyone > > > > on this medication. > > > > > > > > So once again I want to stress that if you are the one the meds are > > prescribed > > > > for and you have chronic pain, you take them as prescribed, have follow > > up > > > > bloodwork and are not abusing them you should be able to use pain meds > > as an > > > > importnat part of living a productive life. > > > > There is a fine line in all of this, and that is where one must be > > exceedingly > > > > careful. > > > > > > > > I also know that I cannot take vicodin forever and that if I do not find > > the > > > > cause of my chronic foot pain soon I will be forced to see a pain > > specialist to > > > > see about trying oxycontin again, it is basically the hydrocodone > > without the > > > > tylenol or motrin. > > > > Norco is an option, however motrin can also be hard on the liver. > > > > Contratry to populare belive vicodin can and is used in many chronic > > pain > > > > situations safely as long as its use is monitored by a professional. > > > > My new Dr is at the point where he is not ready to give me this > > medication yet, > > > > however I am in contact with my california Dr who is still giving me > > refills > > > > till I am at the bottom of the true cause of my pain. > > > > Mean while I agree with e, the soma is highly addictive and > > probably > > > > harder to kick that the vicodin. I have quit the vic before and they are > > not > > > > that hard, it is a matter of tapering down depending on how many you > > take you > need to go down slowly and then withdrawl will be easier. > > > > My Dr in Ca's nurse takes methadone for her chronic pain from RA and she > > is > > > > always so kind to me and has assured me I am doing the right thing to > > live my > > > > life right now to the fullest. > > > > When the time comes for me the stop the meds I will, and I am careful to > > always > > > > take them as prescribed for me. > > > > Good luck to you and please use caution in your medication taking. > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 , I am pretty sure that if I do have osteoporosis, it is not due to the implants alone. I am sure though, that they have contributed to the development of it. However, my mom has osteoporosis and her mom did as well. Being a high fashion model since I was a teenager, and having an eating disorder since the age of 14, I would say that genetics and the hell I have put my body through would be the main causes of it. They say that being anorexic, which I have always been (vs. bulimic) causes osteoporosis. My last episode with anorexia was in 1996, when I dropped to 90#. And I'm at it again, taking my phentermine and losing weight rapidly, although I'm nowhere near 90# (although I'd like to be). But since the age of 14, I've had about 7 severe anorexic episodes where I've dropped to right around 100# or less. But my general opinion on this whole issue (osteoporosis) is that implants aren't the main cause, but may have expedited the process. Who knows?? e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Hi again, e Now that we are all 'testing' your pharmacology knowledge. . . . . much faster than going to the PDR. . . . . Right? What is your experience with the use of Ultram, Neurontin, and another non-narcotic inflammatory pain med -- cannot remember the name -- starts with a 'T' (cannot find my Rx). They started using it alot about 7-8 years ago with OB/GYN patients, and I have had to had to have injections several times with a sudden onset of back-related pain, although it is also prescribed orally! Now get your 'chrystal ball' out --- my mind is totally blank, beyong the " starts with a 'T'! " Thanks much, Martha M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Martha, Is the name of the med you're trying to remember Toradol? It's also called ketorolac. It is given IV, and orally. My own personal experience with non-narcotic analgesics is not good. I have had bad luck with all of them except for ibuprofen in high doses. I have taken 800mg ibuprofen 3x/day, and in some cases, that has helped with the pain. However, the pain I'm in now, it is not touching. I have taken Ultram, and it, too, has worked, although I don't feel to the degree that plain old ibuprofen did. However, even though Ultram is consisdered a non- narcotic, it is chemically very similar to narcotics and many people become addicted to Ultram. This past spring here in Denver, many docs were rx'ing Ultram because they all presumed it was safe since it was not a controlled substance, and therefore not at risk to be abused. Wrong!! Many doctors and pharmacists (and nurses) found that many pts were hooked and it was due to it's chemically similar narcotic properties. Pt's would actually go through a withdrawal phase similar to narcotic withdrawal. So, this spring, it went to the state to make Ultram a controlled substance. It didn't pass because there just wasn't enough data proving that it was addicting (yet). So studies are underway here in Denver proving that while it may not be considered a narcotic, chemically it is, and docs should use caution when prescribing it, just as they would with any other narcotic because it does have the potential for abuse. I took it last winter, and while it didn't produce any " high " , it did relieve the pain to some extent, again not to the degree that I think ibuprofen did. However, when I ran out, I developed severe leg cramps and nausea. I never figured out what was causing it, until my best friend started taking Ultram for pain, and when she stopped it, she experienced the same thing, only worse because she had been on it longer. We could only attribute it to the Ultram. Then, about a month later, she saw her gynecologist and told him she had taken the Ultram. He told her that he NEVER prescribes Ultram because of the addiction he has seen his pts develop to it. And he went on to further say that he would rather rx vicodin or percocet than Ultram any day. I think we will be hearing a lot more negative about Ultram in the future. As for neurontin, the tricyclics, topamax, and others, I know that they are supposed to have great pain reducing properties. Again, my personal experience hasn't been that great with them. I was on 1200mg of neurontin several yrs ago when I first developed chronic pain, and I didn't notice that it helped at all, yet I've taken care of pts who swear by it. The same with the TCA's. I was on nortriptyline and it didn't do a thing for me. Topamax is a relatively new drug, an anticonvulsant that doesn't have all the horrible side effects that the old ones like Depakote, Tegretol, and Dilantin do. So far, the research I've seen shows that Topamax is superior to other drugs when it comes to pain control without the side effects or addiction potential. And if Toradol is the drug you were thinking about, it is supposed to be an excellent drug. I have had it after my knee scope and foot surgery, and it really seemed to help. Some pts it does nothing for, and others it's like getting a 250mcg dose of Fentanyl! It is an anti-inflammatory, and I think tends to work well. It needs to be given IV before ever given po (orally), and I would imagine the reason is so that you get a loading dose in you and have a therapeutic level in you before you begin oral doses. The drawback is that the maximum amt of time Toradol can be given is 5 days (IV and oral combined) probably because it's tough on the kidneys and excreted mainly through the kidneys. But it can also be given IM as well, which makes it a very versatile drug. Hope this answers your questions. And by the way, pharmacology is one of my specialty areas. Everyone teases me that I'm a walking drug handbook, because I know most drugs, their action, and their side effects off the top of my head (that's where that photographic memory comes in handy). Even in nursing school, pharmacology was always one of my best classes, always getting a A! e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Maybe it is Toradol? ----- Original Message ----- From: " MARTHA-NSIF " <MAM-NSIF@...> <eRene@...> Cc: < > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > Hi again, e > > Now that we are all 'testing' your pharmacology knowledge. . . . . much > faster than going to the PDR. . . . . Right? > > What is your experience with the use of Ultram, Neurontin, and another > non-narcotic inflammatory pain med -- cannot remember the name -- starts > with a 'T' (cannot find my Rx). They started using it alot about 7-8 years > ago with OB/GYN patients, and I have had to had to have injections several > times with a sudden onset of back-related pain, although it is also > prescribed orally! Now get your 'chrystal ball' out --- my mind is totally > blank, beyong the " starts with a 'T'! " > > Thanks much, > Martha M. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 I never got any relief from any thing other than the vicodin and so I figure that is what works for me I am very careful about taking it as prescribed so that it is safe and having blood levels checked etc. I still think it is a good drug and don't really care too much what people say, I have always had low acetaminophen levels and normal liver tests so I am ok with it. I hope someday I won't need it but ya know what it has me getting my butt up and to the gym and working out and lifitng and helping me sleep etc those things all must be taken into consideration. Ultram, neurontin, none of them do anything to me at all, nothing, I was on neurontin for 4 months and all it did was make my head spin, Ultram made me feel weird and didn't help my pain and toradol is not practical for management of chronic pain. Also so far all the anti inflammatory meds have been a flop, we are working our way down a list of them, useless crap so far i am sorry, vioxx and those, they don't help. Scuse me for the attitude but I feel Dr's really need to lighten up about prescribing opioids for chronic pain it has been prove that these drugs can dramatically change peoples lives that live with pain everyday. Ok I am done ha ha I am sure e would agree if something works and you take it as prescribed why switch. Anyhow just my two cents, Love, ----- Original Message ----- From: <eRene@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > Martha, > > Is the name of the med you're trying to remember > Toradol? It's also called ketorolac. It is given IV, > and orally. > > My own personal experience with non-narcotic analgesics > is not good. I have had bad luck with all of them > except for ibuprofen in high doses. I have taken 800mg > ibuprofen 3x/day, and in some cases, that has helped > with the pain. However, the pain I'm in now, it is not > touching. > > I have taken Ultram, and it, too, has worked, although I > don't feel to the degree that plain old ibuprofen did. > However, even though Ultram is consisdered a non- > narcotic, it is chemically very similar to narcotics and > many people become addicted to Ultram. This past spring > here in Denver, many docs were rx'ing Ultram because > they all presumed it was safe since it was not a > controlled substance, and therefore not at risk to be > abused. Wrong!! Many doctors and pharmacists (and > nurses) found that many pts were hooked and it was due > to it's chemically similar narcotic properties. Pt's > would actually go through a withdrawal phase similar to > narcotic withdrawal. So, this spring, it went to the > state to make Ultram a controlled substance. It didn't > pass because there just wasn't enough data proving that > it was addicting (yet). So studies are underway here in > Denver proving that while it may not be considered a > narcotic, chemically it is, and docs should use caution > when prescribing it, just as they would with any other > narcotic because it does have the potential for abuse. > > I took it last winter, and while it didn't produce > any " high " , it did relieve the pain to some extent, > again not to the degree that I think ibuprofen did. > However, when I ran out, I developed severe leg cramps > and nausea. I never figured out what was causing it, > until my best friend started taking Ultram for pain, and > when she stopped it, she experienced the same thing, > only worse because she had been on it longer. We could > only attribute it to the Ultram. Then, about a month > later, she saw her gynecologist and told him she had > taken the Ultram. He told her that he NEVER prescribes > Ultram because of the addiction he has seen his pts > develop to it. And he went on to further say that he > would rather rx vicodin or percocet than Ultram any > day. I think we will be hearing a lot more negative > about Ultram in the future. > > As for neurontin, the tricyclics, topamax, and others, I > know that they are supposed to have great pain reducing > properties. Again, my personal experience hasn't been > that great with them. I was on 1200mg of neurontin > several yrs ago when I first developed chronic pain, and > I didn't notice that it helped at all, yet I've taken > care of pts who swear by it. The same with the TCA's. > I was on nortriptyline and it didn't do a thing for me. > Topamax is a relatively new drug, an anticonvulsant that > doesn't have all the horrible side effects that the old > ones like Depakote, Tegretol, and Dilantin do. So far, > the research I've seen shows that Topamax is superior to > other drugs when it comes to pain control without the > side effects or addiction potential. > > And if Toradol is the drug you were thinking about, it > is supposed to be an excellent drug. I have had it > after my knee scope and foot surgery, and it really > seemed to help. Some pts it does nothing for, and > others it's like getting a 250mcg dose of Fentanyl! It > is an anti-inflammatory, and I think tends to work > well. It needs to be given IV before ever given po > (orally), and I would imagine the reason is so that you > get a loading dose in you and have a therapeutic level > in you before you begin oral doses. The drawback is > that the maximum amt of time Toradol can be given is 5 > days (IV and oral combined) probably because it's tough > on the kidneys and excreted mainly through the kidneys. > But it can also be given IM as well, which makes it a > very versatile drug. > > Hope this answers your questions. And by the way, > pharmacology is one of my specialty areas. Everyone > teases me that I'm a walking drug handbook, because I > know most drugs, their action, and their side effects > off the top of my head (that's where that photographic > memory comes in handy). Even in nursing school, > pharmacology was always one of my best classes, always > getting a A! > > e > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 HA HA HA JUSTINE BEAT ME TO THAT ONE, Ok I am not a pharmacology expert by any means that one is def es arena, however I know a little, when your a secretary you take off the orders and learn just about the name of every med there is, maybe just not what they all do, I work in ortho now so I am very up on pain meds ha . Everyone on my floor is in pain...tons of pain meds there. Love ya e you are smart smart smart! ----- Original Message ----- From: " Heer " <cjheer@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Pain Medication > Maybe it is Toradol? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " MARTHA-NSIF " <MAM-NSIF@...> > <eRene@...> > Cc: < > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: Pain Medication > > > > Hi again, e > > > > Now that we are all 'testing' your pharmacology knowledge. . . . . much > > faster than going to the PDR. . . . . Right? > > > > What is your experience with the use of Ultram, Neurontin, and another > > non-narcotic inflammatory pain med -- cannot remember the name -- starts > > with a 'T' (cannot find my Rx). They started using it alot about 7-8 > years > > ago with OB/GYN patients, and I have had to had to have injections several > > times with a sudden onset of back-related pain, although it is also > > prescribed orally! Now get your 'chrystal ball' out --- my mind is > totally > > blank, beyong the " starts with a 'T'! " > > > > Thanks much, > > Martha M. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 e, That's It! You ARE Good! Thanks, MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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