Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Jayne...google ammonia+bowel movement and ammonia+stool Seems to be bacteria. Gotta go to bed Sherry Ammonia smelling stools can be attributed to bacteria overgrowth or nitrogen being insufficiently digested or improperly metabolized. When food is insufficiently digested, the non-absorbed food can then become food for harmful bacteria, or just putrefy, in the gut. Either of these leads to toxins being released in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Great! No seriously, thank you Sherry. It's been a very trying 24 hours here at the House of Fun. I think I'll go DRINK some ammonia! grrr. I guess I better look into that. Hmmm, Toxins, seizures, oh my! Jayne gldcst wrote: Jayne...google ammonia+bowel movement and ammonia+stool Seems to be bacteria. Gotta go to bed Sherry Ammonia smelling stools can be attributed to bacteria overgrowth or nitrogen being insufficiently digested or improperly metabolized. When food is insufficiently digested, the non-absorbed food can then become food for harmful bacteria, or just putrefy, in the gut. Either of these leads to toxins being released in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 <<Great! No seriously, thank you Sherry. It's been a very trying 24 hours here at the House of Fun. I think I'll go DRINK some ammonia! grrr. I guess I better look into that. Hmmm, Toxins, seizures, oh my!>>> Let's get Irma to weigh in here...where is dat cwazy wabbit? probably stealing cookies from the cookie jar. Oh my...I've lost it. Jayne...the good news is that if it is bacterial he can be put on antibiotics to kill it off. There may be an overgrowth of a certain " normal " bacteria like klebsiella for example, due to the wheat detoxification. Remember the withdrawal we talked about? Going GF can also lower the yeast count too. If he's giving off toxins they can be making him act crazy. We use activated charcoal when is detoxing and it helps with the symptoms. Does he take pills? If not you can open a cap of activated charcoal. Trust me on this...it is black like pencil shavings but it has NO taste. Mix it with applesauce or whatever he likes and try to give it to him while he's not looking. His mouth will be black but this stuff is great at soaking up the dieoff and toxins. It is used very very often on the autism lists and the biomed type DS lists. Margaret is right about a stool test and everybody unfortunately is right about checking for seizures. BUT....did you go totally GF cold turkey?? 5 days is a short time into it and he may be feeling the pain of withdrawal badly. I'll do some more searching on ammonia and poop later; Isn't this great???? a whole new take on the poop talk? Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I can see you have alot of knowledge, thanks for the info-Jean --- gldcst wrote: > <<Great! No seriously, thank you Sherry. It's been > a very trying 24 hours here at the House of Fun. I > think I'll go DRINK some ammonia! grrr. > I guess I better look into that. > Hmmm, Toxins, seizures, oh my!>>> > > Let's get Irma to weigh in here...where is dat cwazy > wabbit? probably stealing cookies from the cookie > jar. Oh my...I've lost it. > > Jayne...the good news is that if it is bacterial he > can be put on antibiotics to kill it off. There may > be an overgrowth of a certain " normal " bacteria like > klebsiella for example, due to the wheat > detoxification. Remember the withdrawal we talked > about? Going GF can also lower the yeast count too. > If he's giving off toxins they can be making him act > crazy. We use activated charcoal when is > detoxing and it helps with the symptoms. Does he > take pills? If not you can open a cap of activated > charcoal. Trust me on this...it is black like pencil > shavings but it has NO taste. Mix it with applesauce > or whatever he likes and try to give it to him while > he's not looking. His mouth will be black but this > stuff is great at soaking up the dieoff and toxins. > > It is used very very often on the autism lists and > the biomed type DS lists. Margaret is right about a > stool test and everybody unfortunately is right > about checking for seizures. > BUT....did you go totally GF cold turkey?? 5 days is > a short time into it and he may be feeling the pain > of withdrawal badly. > I'll do some more searching on ammonia and poop > later; Isn't this great???? a whole new take on the > poop talk? > Sherry > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm Jayne...this was the website where I found the ammonia+stool+bacteria connection. Scroll down to #10 For the rest of you there are some extremely exciting and colorful descriptions of every type of stool known to mankind. I did not however find the marbelized loaf of rye LOL. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 It is the lack of imagination of medico's that forced us to come up with our own descriptors for stools.!!! Now if we were to do an odor list for them, think of the sinuses (and the minds) we could open??!! > http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm > > Jayne...this was the website where I found the ammonia+stool+bacteria > connection. Scroll down to #10 > For the rest of you there are some extremely exciting and colorful > descriptions of every type of stool known to mankind. I did not however find > the marbelized loaf of rye LOL. > Sherry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 <<Now if we were to do an odor list for them,>> LOL oh No!!! I feel a list of odors coming on. Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Working on it - after all the tornaado watches, warnings, alerts leave!!! > <<Now if we were to do an odor list for them,>> > > LOL oh No!!! I feel a list of odors coming on. > Sherry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 > Let's get Irma to weigh in here...where is dat cwazy wabbit? probably stealing cookies from the cookie jar. Oh my...I've lost it. Yes, guilty here did have a cookie, it is one of my weakness. Sherry, I will have to agree with what everyone has posted so far, stool analysis is needed indeed. Does sound like Candida/Leaky Gut alright and the site you posted on the Enzyme is one of my favorites. If any bread intake with whatever has been triggering could last up to 6 months. Jayne when you can google " Leaky Gut and autism " . Elimination diet trial is good and you will notice some yay or nay effects. The only way any diet could help though is having to take care of the gut first, get tested for Leaky gut, hope you have a doc that could test for this, then have food allergy test (not always the best but at least you will have something to go by), Cholesterol testing, thyroid (which I believe you already have), the before and after upper/lower scoping before applying the diet (can not remember if you had this done already as I believe you've mentioned, ruled out Celiac, MRI, diabetes, peptides, the list goes on example for the Nuerotoxins Exposure, see how I am deep into the Bio-med disorder. The newest added which is controversial but many of the lab result markings have returned high is now Lyme Disease. Anyways back causes of leaky gut syndrome A little of my notes: There are several causes of leaky gut syndrome including: Overgrowth of candida albicans (yeast) in the intestinal flora Over usage of antibiotics Deficiency in digestive enzymes Medications (NSAIDS, antacids, ibuprofen) Caffeine consumption High sugar consumption Over consumption of refined floury products such white breads, pastas, muffins and cookies Stress Poor liver function Dietary approaches to leaky gut syndrome- Individuals diagnosed with autism are more predisposed to food sensitivities. Food sensitivity is defined as a heightened immune reaction to a food item that in most systems would otherwise be perceived as harmless. The most common food products to which autistic children develop sensitivities are grains (e.g. wheat, rye, oats) and dairy products (e.g. milk, cheese, whey). Other food culprits can include refined sugars, caffeine, chocolate, food coloring and citrus fruits. Detecting which food may be exacerbating your child’s condition may feel like finding a needle in a haystack. The best approach is to follow an elimination diet by removing specific food items from your child’s diet, one by one over a period of two to four weeks. For autistic children, I recommend implementing a gluten-free diet at first and keeping dairy to a minimum. If an improvement is not noticed, switching to a diet that is completely dairy free is recommended. Improvements in behavior can be noticed in children anywhere from 24 hours to 4 weeks after making these dietary changes. Stomach acidity in autistic children can also vary from child to child. Many children with behavioral disorders either over secrete or under secrete stomach acid, making digestion and absorption of precious nutrients difficult. Top 3 supplements for leaky gut syndrome A high quality liquid multivitamin: The absorption rate of liquid vitamins is higher. This is important for individuals who have a compromised digestive system. Acidophilus to ensure bowel flora is healthy: This is critically important for children who have taken antibiotics frequently. For more information, please google Good Bacteria. Fish oils: These are beneficial in reducing inflammatory response and in improving bowel health. Jayne, check 's tongue, does it have any white lining, this is a sign of leaky gut, another test have spit with his first morning saliva into a clear water glass and see if you noticed anything floating in the water. Can't remember if I am posting this right but something like this. has been keeping me busy, tomorrow back on the road to Austin for some Fasting lab work, IV Chelation and then the next day back for his Minerals, & then Friday for Ozone. Some of the lab work is to rule out Cholesterol deficiency and Lyme disease as he has not been doing well health wise and about a week ago underwent the IV Chelation and thensome and finally it is nice to have him back compared to his ongoing fever and just wanting to be in bed and not get up at all, just not himself, felt like I was losing him, have been emotionally drained but keeping my Faith once again learning more with some top notch doc's who do a lot of research. Treatment has helped detox whatever toxic which he is unable to flush out. Remember, I would not recommend this for anyone unless you do homework, consult with the medical professionals, lab work follow-up, stool & urine test, Special diet, replacing the nutrients needed when removing any food nutrient, learning about the right supplements, etc. Irma,19,DS/ASD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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