Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 About three weeks ago, I had a chance to discuss the " anabolic diet " and its effects on training with a male PL who has used it now for 2 years. His experience is that the first time he used it, it was effective - it " leaned " and helped him " gain muscle " from his perception, although he didn't take an opportunity to measure this objectively by a DEXA or other standard. (He is a drug free athlete, so there was no AAS influence involved here to complicate the results.) It did not do much to improve his lifting performance on platform, but his numbers did not drop - and his appearance was more pleasing to his wife (a factor which was a measure of success to him!) However, his most recent experience - he went off the diet for the holidays and due to a break in his competition schedule for two months - the diet is less helpful to him this time as he has had some severe energy deficits and he is struggling to keep training through the diet and its phases. He is now concerned that continuing to try to do this diet will set back his lifting and that for him is not acceptable. He has gone off it and is doing research about another one to try.... and his energy level returned once he stopped the diet phase. His concern had even led him to see an MD and get a blood screening, but that was normal. So when we're looking at diet strategies to support gain of muscle and fat reduction, even the ones where an individual has enjoyed success at least once, may not be the best diet strategy in future. Some can effectively repeat a diet regimen, others find they cannot do it twice and even lose ground. I have heard from one lifter who did the " ultimate diet " (lyle macdonald's) and found he has similar problems - both diets have a very strict and hard phase at the start, perhaps this extreme phase has much to do with either success or failure in successive uses of the diet? It takes a great deal of discipline in a world full of lovely food and temptation to survive either of these diets, and I don't think most people are up to the stricter lines of either of them generally. A lot of people see the " south beach " first two weeks as " impossibly strict " - and both diets listed above are beyond that strictness. I myself don't diet, I train harder and more intensely and this appears to be a determining factor as to my leanness, end of program is when I'm at my best on lean clearly. Oddly though it's when I'm doing the fewest reps - with the most weight. The process though over the years of lifting heavy has gradually made me leaner and larger in muscle overall. Perhaps people are not patient enough without dieting? and the mere desire to have it all overnight leads to the dissatisfaction and extreme dieting urges - rather than training over time? The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT/LMT, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA Re: Possible to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously? Randy Roach's recent Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors, vol 1 (1840s-1960s) includes treatment of the evolution of bodybuilding diets; volume 2 (1970s to present) promises even more treatment since rapid developments have occured in that time phase. The notion of bulking up and cutting down in bodybuilding is, frankly, rather passe - as is the use of intensive 'cardio' for the cutting phase. There are a number of nutritional approaches - those of Abel's cycle diet, Dr Mauro di Pasquali's anabolic diet, and others which promote muscular hypertrophy while staying lean. Training methods, at least in Abel's case, compliment diet - in his case with his MET or Metabolic Enhancement Training. The July and August issues of Iron Man Magazine carried my two part article on Abel's training methods, excluding his cycle diet. As best I understand the latter, it's a highly refined version of low caloric maintenance with cheat days to manipulate leptin modulation. MET induces oxygen debts resulting in elevated post workout metabolism for anywhere from 4 to 16 hours. He also stresses drug-free training while eschewing use of supplements. American Professor Ron , faculty at Newcastle University in Australia, originator of the Matrix system of training in the 90s, also argues for hypertrophy without fat gain - in fact, shredding. So it would seem the days of Bruce Randall's bulking to 401 lbs, then trimming to 185, going back up to 225 to win the 1959 NABBA Mr Universe are gone. My experience with MET type training is that it works very well for not only fat loss but also the other bio-markers associated with metabolic syndrome. =============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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