Re: Do you feel annoyed when someone says antidepressents helped them?

[Guest guest]

And then there is the matter of coercian. There is a long history

of coercian and abuse in psychiatry going all the way back to forced

lobotomies, electroshocks, insulin-induced comas etc. etc. Modern

psychiatry relies more on drugs, obviously, but it's fundamental

modus operandi hasn't changed. Check out " The Lobotomist " by Jack

El-Hai (about Walter Freeman, MD, who performed thousands of ice-

pick lobotomies on patients in their own homes who had minor

problems like mild depression or social anxiety); or " The Myth of

Mental Illness " by Szasz (about the history of coercian in

psychiatry). For example, did you know that homosexuality was still

classified as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric

Association as recently as the 1970s? Szasz helped change that.

Vornan

-- In SSRIsex , " lightsoutluther "

wrote:

>

>

> I blame myself more than drug companies and doctors. Sure, they

> deserve some blame, but I'm responsible for my own actions. I'm

just

> unneccessarily paying for a mistake I made 6 years ago. My #1 goal

> is to get better, getting " revenge " on those I feel are

responsible

> won't move me any closer to recovery. The best revenge is to get

> better and live a good life. As the saying goes.

>

> Luther

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or saved

> their life

> > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

equally

> to

> > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give out

> these

> > > castrating drugs.

> >

> > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless and

> cruel to blame your fellow

> > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

help

> people and save lives.

> > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary side

> effects have proved

> > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a time

> machine and choosing a

> > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what I'd

> decide. I do know that no

> > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> >

> > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

case

> with just about all large

> > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> concern--short-term

> > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> process, just so long as it

> > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence, I

> watched The Constant

> > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> >

> > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> lurking in the shadows off and

> > on for quite a while.

> >

> > River

> >

>

[Guest guest]

whooops, make that " coercion " :-)

> > >

> > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or saved

> > their life

> > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> equally

> > to

> > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give

out

> > these

> > > > castrating drugs.

> > >

> > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless and

> > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

> help

> > people and save lives.

> > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

side

> > effects have proved

> > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a time

> > machine and choosing a

> > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what I'd

> > decide. I do know that no

> > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > >

> > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

> case

> > with just about all large

> > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> > concern--short-term

> > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> > process, just so long as it

> > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence, I

> > watched The Constant

> > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > >

> > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > on for quite a while.

> > >

> > > River

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I blame myself because I should have researched SSRIs before taking

them. Even back in 2001, there was ample data available on the

internet that would have raised concerns. Heck, there's stuff going

as far back as the early 90s. True, I was deceived by drug companies

who hide the real dangers of these drugs. My doctor was decieved as

well, and possibly just ignorant. He feels terrible for what

happened to me. I put too much trust in the modern medical system.

The most important thing for me is to just keep improving. Keep in

mind my full emotional range hasn't come back. I mainly have

suppressed anger. It's apparent to me that many folks on this board

don't have this problem.

Luther

> > >

> > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or saved

> > their life

> > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> equally

> > to

> > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give

out

> > these

> > > > castrating drugs.

> > >

> > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless and

> > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

> help

> > people and save lives.

> > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

side

> > effects have proved

> > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a time

> > machine and choosing a

> > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what I'd

> > decide. I do know that no

> > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > >

> > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

> case

> > with just about all large

> > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> > concern--short-term

> > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> > process, just so long as it

> > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence, I

> > watched The Constant

> > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > >

> > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > on for quite a while.

> > >

> > > River

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Psychiatry is a mess, and has been since the beginning. One just has

to look at all the terrible cases over at the Dr. Bob board. I'll

bet many of those patients went to the doctor with mild depression,

then were put on a roller coaster ride of meds which made their

cases worse, which led their doctor to believe their depression got

worse, so more drugs with higher doses are prescribed. The drugs are

never blamed! That's a big part of the problem.

Luther

> > >

> > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or saved

> > their life

> > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> equally

> > to

> > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give

out

> > these

> > > > castrating drugs.

> > >

> > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless and

> > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

> help

> > people and save lives.

> > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

side

> > effects have proved

> > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a time

> > machine and choosing a

> > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what I'd

> > decide. I do know that no

> > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > >

> > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

> case

> > with just about all large

> > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> > concern--short-term

> > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> > process, just so long as it

> > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence, I

> > watched The Constant

> > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > >

> > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > on for quite a while.

> > >

> > > River

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Feel free to blame yourself, it's your choice. But I don't agree

with you at all.

I fully researched SSRIs before I took celexa in 2001. I read

medical journals and it turned out that the information was

completely false. And there was not a single report of PSSD in

PubMed.

All of the doctors that had patients who complained about PSSD and

did nothing are guilty of breaking the hippocratic oath. And the

drug companies who suppressed data about increased suicide risks,

homicidal behavior, persistent pulmonary hypertension in newborns

and other birth defects, and so on, have blood on their hands.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or

saved

> > > their life

> > > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> > equally

> > > to

> > > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give

> out

> > > these

> > > > > castrating drugs.

> > > >

> > > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless

and

> > > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

> > help

> > > people and save lives.

> > > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

> side

> > > effects have proved

> > > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a

time

> > > machine and choosing a

> > > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what

I'd

> > > decide. I do know that no

> > > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > > >

> > > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

> > case

> > > with just about all large

> > > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> > > concern--short-term

> > > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> > > process, just so long as it

> > > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence,

I

> > > watched The Constant

> > > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > > >

> > > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> > > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > > on for quite a while.

> > > >

> > > > River

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Will you still blame yourself if you never recover? Because there

is a possibility that we might not. We just don't have the

technology right now to figure out exactly what has happened to our

brains. It would take a team of labs working round the clock for a

decade to even figure out what has happened, let alone find a cure.

Everything we have done so far is trial-and-error.

The other iatrogenic psychiatric disaster, tardive dyskinesia, has

been recognized by the mainstream for many years, but there is no

cure.

Vornan

> > > >

> > > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or

saved

> > > their life

> > > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> > equally

> > > to

> > > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give

> out

> > > these

> > > > > castrating drugs.

> > > >

> > > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless

and

> > > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants do

> > help

> > > people and save lives.

> > > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

> side

> > > effects have proved

> > > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a

time

> > > machine and choosing a

> > > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what

I'd

> > > decide. I do know that no

> > > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > > >

> > > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is the

> > case

> > > with just about all large

> > > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only one

> > > concern--short-term

> > > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in the

> > > process, just so long as it

> > > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny coincidence,

I

> > > watched The Constant

> > > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > > >

> > > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've been

> > > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > > on for quite a while.

> > > >

> > > > River

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

True, you're not going to find any mention of PSSD in medical

journals, etc. But there are plenty of first hand accounts of SSRIs

if you you search Google groups or other support groups, which date

back several years. There are websites devoted to the dangers of

SSRIs that have been around for years. Had I done this, it may have

been enough for me to have second thoughts about taking Celexa.

I agree 100% with your last paragraph. Ultimately, we shouldn't have

to do research before undergoing a medical treatment. Doctors and

drug companies should be well informed and know and communicate

every possibility to their patients. Sadly, this is not the case in

such a money-driven field.

Luther

> > > > >

> > > > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or

> saved

> > > > their life

> > > > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> > > equally

> > > > to

> > > > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who

give

> > out

> > > > these

> > > > > > castrating drugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless

> and

> > > > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants

do

> > > help

> > > > people and save lives.

> > > > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

> > side

> > > > effects have proved

> > > > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a

> time

> > > > machine and choosing a

> > > > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what

> I'd

> > > > decide. I do know that no

> > > > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is

the

> > > case

> > > > with just about all large

> > > > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only

one

> > > > concern--short-term

> > > > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in

the

> > > > process, just so long as it

> > > > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny

coincidence,

> I

> > > > watched The Constant

> > > > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > > > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've

been

> > > > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > > > on for quite a while.

> > > > >

> > > > > River

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think there is any way I can recover with what's out there

now in terms of medical treatment. It's too complex a problem for

there to be a " magic bullet " . I know many people here seem to think

that certain drugs will reverse the effects (ie " anti-serotonin "

drugs). I suppose it's worth a shot, considering I've had many brief

drug trials as well. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.

I'm resigned to the fact that I may not " fully " recover, but I know

I can get to a certain point using alternative therapies, which have

already helped somewhat though not sexually. I will not wait for

science to catch up to this problem...

Luther

> > > > >

> > > > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or

> saved

> > > > their life

> > > > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> > > equally

> > > > to

> > > > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who

give

> > out

> > > > these

> > > > > > castrating drugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless

> and

> > > > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants

do

> > > help

> > > > people and save lives.

> > > > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were temporary

> > side

> > > > effects have proved

> > > > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a

> time

> > > > machine and choosing a

> > > > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what

> I'd

> > > > decide. I do know that no

> > > > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is

the

> > > case

> > > > with just about all large

> > > > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only

one

> > > > concern--short-term

> > > > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in

the

> > > > process, just so long as it

> > > > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny

coincidence,

> I

> > > > watched The Constant

> > > > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > > > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've

been

> > > > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > > > on for quite a while.

> > > > >

> > > > > River

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are very few first-hand accounts prior to 2001. And there

would be no reason to look for them.

-- In SSRIsex , " lightsoutluther "

wrote:

>

>

> True, you're not going to find any mention of PSSD in medical

> journals, etc. But there are plenty of first hand accounts of SSRIs

> if you you search Google groups or other support groups, which date

> back several years. There are websites devoted to the dangers of

> SSRIs that have been around for years. Had I done this, it may have

> been enough for me to have second thoughts about taking Celexa.

>

> I agree 100% with your last paragraph. Ultimately, we shouldn't

have

> to do research before undergoing a medical treatment. Doctors and

> drug companies should be well informed and know and communicate

> every possibility to their patients. Sadly, this is not the case in

> such a money-driven field.

>

>

> Luther

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or

> > saved

> > > > > their life

> > > > > > > that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their

> > > > equally

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who

> give

> > > out

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > castrating drugs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your anger is understandable, but it seems both pointless

> > and

> > > > > cruel to blame your fellow

> > > > > > victims. It may surprise you to know that antidepressants

> do

> > > > help

> > > > > people and save lives.

> > > > > > I'm extremely dismayed that what I was told were

temporary

> > > side

> > > > > effects have proved

> > > > > > long-lasting, but if I had the option of stepping into a

> > time

> > > > > machine and choosing a

> > > > > > different course of treatment, I'm honestly not sure what

> > I'd

> > > > > decide. I do know that no

> > > > > > treatment would have been a really bad option.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As for the drug companies, sure, they're horrible. As is

> the

> > > > case

> > > > > with just about all large

> > > > > > corporations today, the pharmaceutical industry has only

> one

> > > > > concern--short-term

> > > > > > profit--and they don't care how many people are hurt in

> the

> > > > > process, just so long as it

> > > > > > doesn't affect the bottom line. (By an uncanny

> coincidence,

> > I

> > > > > watched The Constant

> > > > > > Gardener earlier tonight. The story is fictional in its

> > > > > particulars, but I have no doubt the

> > > > > > gist of it is fairly true to life.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello, by the way. This is my first post, although I've

> been

> > > > > lurking in the shadows off and

> > > > > > on for quite a while.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > River

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I blame myself because I should have researched SSRIs before taking

> them. Even back in 2001, there was ample data available on the

> internet that would have raised concerns. Heck, there's stuff going

> as far back as the early 90s. True, I was deceived by drug companies

> who hide the real dangers of these drugs.

That seems to me to be the real crux of the matter, though. This type of thing

happens

again and again: given the choice of coming clean with the full results of

clinical trials or

selling a new drug to a larger population, drug companies frequently choose the

latter. (I

would say " usually " or even " invariably " instead of " frequently, " but I don't

know the

statistics; probably no one does.)

In 1998, I switched from Wellbutrin, which had been prescribed by my

primary-care doctor

and wasn't helping, to Zoloft after biting the bullet and deciding to see a

psychiatrist.

Ironically enough, I checked out Wellbutrin rather thoroughly before starting on

it; I

checked the PDR and several other books. When I made the switch, I was less

thorough in

my research because I was so relieved to find a new doctor I liked and trusted.

To that extent, I guess I was culpable in my own fate, but I really don't blame

myself. It

damn well is the responsibility of drug manufacturers to provide full

information to

prescribing physicians, and in turn it is the physicians' responsibility to

disclose to their

patients all the possibilities, including potential negative outcomes such as

long-term

sexual dysfunction. Even those of us who may be astute and motivated enough to

want

control over our own treatment are sometimes too ill to take charge, let alone

give

informed consent, so it's incumbent upon the professionals who are being well

paid for

their services to look out for us. That, after all, is a large part of why they

went to medical

school and completed residencies. They're supposed to know more than us. If the

drug

companies are deceiving them and causing them to harm their patients, then it

seems to

me they have a pretty big complaint, too.

Speaking solely for myself, I cannot imagine myself in the throes of deep

depression and

being able to sift through data or decide which among various sources saying

different

things I should trust. At times like that, I may read a single sentence three

times and still

be unsure of the meaning. Critical thinking? I wish!

River

[Guest guest]

Another thing is all these people that say antidepressents helped

them...most of them have pssd, but they feel getting over the

depression is worth the penis loss. Now do they really believe that? I

doubt it. Their just brain washed by the pyschatrists. Taking

antideprresents is no different than taking a drug like fosomax which

is an osteorporosis drug that caused jaw bone decay(permanent

excrutiating pain) in 1000s of people. Expect we get permanent sexual

dysfunction forever making our lives meaningless.

[Guest guest]

it helped me cos i tried to suicide and now i'm not having suicidal

toughts anymore...

>

> Its the idiots that say antidepressents helped them or saved their life

> that is making these antidepressents so popular. Their equally to

> blame as the evil pychatrists and drug companies who give out these

> castrating drugs. I just feel like punching them. I still hate the

> pychatrist the worst though. Their making 100 of thousands of dollars

> by castrating people by drugs.

>