Re: giggling

October 24, 2006

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It is my understanding that it is so.... laughing inappropriately. DJ used to

just peel out with loud laughter in restaurants when a waitress or waiter would

drop some dishes. It would make his sisters, who worked in food services, get

so embarrassed about his behavior. It was almost that he could feel the tension

in the air and didn't know how to react to it and would just laugh

uncontrollably. We are so used to it now that we hardly think about it, but I

believe he is also becoming quicker to recognize that it is inappropriate and he

cuts it short, or just says, " oops " or " oopsie! "

Hey, we need to plan where to meet at the Buddy Walk this weekend. Any ideas?

Hugs,

Donnell (mom to DJ-age 11)

Soracco wrote:

I was just curious, is it part of ASD to have episodes where the child

will laugh or giggle what seems to be uncontrollably?

October 25, 2006

ok as usual, I'm always the odd one out but unless someone is laughing at a

death why is it inappropriate for someone to laugh at what we perceive as

nothing? I can't speak for anyone else but I know there have been times when

something has come into my thoughts unexpectedly that made me laugh out loud.

There have been times when I've broke into uncontrollable laughter for no

apparent reason which also caused those looking at me to break out in laughter

and they for sure had no clue to what was so funny. I often wonder what goes

on in Trisha's little head and I assume she must have thoughts that run

around inside her head just like I do. Yesterday Trisha's behavioral

consultant

was here and she brought her 5 month old baby with her (which Trisha totally

ignored) and Clara (the baby) kept smiling and cooing which kept catching my

attention as we talked. I have to wonder if sometimes our kids being less

cynical than ourselves finds things that are amusing or pleasurable in the

world

around them that we ourselves do not always see? Maybe if we were as free

to laugh out loud for long periods of time we might be as stressful as grown

ups tend to be. :-) Just another view point on the subject. :-)

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't typical, She's Trisha!

October 25, 2006

Tori does that alot. " Inappropriate laughing " . She will just start gigglig at

nothing.

Liz

giggling

I was just curious, is it part of ASD to have episodes where the child

will laugh or giggle what seems to be uncontrollably?

October 25, 2006

In a message dated 10/25/2006 12:39:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ICANFIELD@... writes:

ABA, visual strategies & Sensory Integration along with the Alternative

Bio-med intervention are still his major arena to where he is at.

I love the ABA approach but one thing I have learned this past year is that

you do have to be careful that they are progressing only with the strict

structure and if that structure is out of balance they regress because they

don't

know what to do next. At our last Parent/Teacher meeting I made the comment

that the toilet training was not meeting Trisha's needs as it should because

as long as someone put the timer on or prompted her she would go to the

bathroom, left to her own device she just sat there and wet on herself. She is

not being requested to " ask " to go to the bathroom because they want her to

master going with prompts. If we always taught everyone one thing at a time

until they mastered it none of us would have the education we have today. The

ABA is great don't get me wrong but sometimes you just have to be flexible

and while still teaching one area be willing to move to the next

simultaneously regardless if it's been mastered or not. The staff is always

going to

trainings on ABA and other methods so it's not like they aren't abreast of new

things, it's just that ABA can be very clinical if you aren't willing to be a

little more creative. Trisha needs to be able to ask or tell that she has to

go to the bathroom instead of waiting for a timer or someone to show her a

picture or look at her picture schedule and yes while the fact that she is

able to look at her schedule and see the bathroom picture and take it and go to

the bathroom it's not the same as having the urge to go and asking to be able

to go. We have a visual door alarm and whenever the bus comes in they have

a remote to it so they can let Trisha know they are coming. Well the other

day we had a sub aid on the bus and she didn't know to push the alarm so the

light did not flash to let Trisha know the bus was here and even though I told

her it was coming (I could hear it backing in) she would not get up because

the light didn't go off. I had a major time convincing her she needed to go

out and get on the bus. I even had her look out the window and see the bus

but she was still waiting for the light so I manually flashed the light and

then she happily went her merry way. As I said I love ABA but it does need to

be tweaked for some of our kids to help avoid the dependency on the prompts

and structured routines. I think the biggest question is when is it time to

fade the prompts, I personally thing they should start being faded before they

become dependant or you can always change to a different prompt until they

have mastered a goal at least that way they learn many different ways of

prompting instead of relying on one. JHMO

October 25, 2006

In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:22:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

gldcst@... writes:

I wish she'd do it more. Right now she goes off ana giggling bender when

rewinding videos and when listening to some unknown music or dialog on her tape

player and I LOVE it! I suppose that would be considered " appropriate

yea I know what you mean, I love to hear Trisha giggle and laugh. It sure

beats the H out of the whining. lol

As far as ABA goes our therapists are extremely aware of prompt dependence

and are very quick to fade prompts. I'm usually the one who ends up stretching

them out too long and have to be reminded to pull back.

We've had many changes of staff in the last few months, the school has grown

and had to hired more teachers, aids and staff and so they new ones comes in

to work with the older students until moving on to a more permanent position,

which is why the problem with fading prompts because most new people be it

an aid or a teacher tend to go by what the previous teacher was doing until

they get to know the kids. So sometimes you have to " remind " them hey it's

time to move on with the program. :-) The school has grown from 12

upperclassmen to 48 just in the last 5-6 months. Trisha is considered an

upperclassman believe it or not. lol

The flashing light is more of a visual doorbell but because of the ABA

training Trisha has turned it into a prompt so now I have to figure out how to

get

her to understand it's just telling her someone is here for her. I forgot

to ask the behavior consultant about that yesterday so I will ask her what she

thinks about it. It's always a balancing job, our kids need structure but

sometimes they get too much and sometimes not enough. If anyone comes up with

the magical number I'd sure like to know what it is. lol

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't typical, She's Trisha!

October 25, 2006

>

> I was just curious, is it part of ASD to have episodes where the child

> will laugh or giggle what seems to be uncontrollably?

>

Hi ,

My son does this for several reasons now that I have become a detective

for his case it helps me to know when he does the inappropriate

laughing/giggling.

1. When he is too tired/overwhelmed.

2. When he has a delay to something funny, then it hits him.

3. Imitating others and lately has been coming around during

appropriate time when there is something funny going on.

4. When he has had something with sugar, especially when he eats

something with Phenol. Here is a site that has shared alot of related

info with what my son has experience and has decreased tremendously.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Irma,18,DS/ASD

October 25, 2006

<<When he has had something with sugar, especially when he eats

something with Phenol.>>

This is interesting....everytime I have tried back on wheat ie spaghetti

she acts like she's drunk and starts laughing and giggling. This is so NOT in

her nature but I like it so much I am tempted to do it all the time:-)

Sherry

October 25, 2006

> This is interesting....everytime I have tried back on wheat ie

spaghetti she acts like she's drunk and starts laughing and giggling.

This is so NOT in her nature but I like it so much I am tempted to do

it all the time:-)

> Sherry

LOL, Sherry leave it to you.

What you have mentioned with the food items, these are part of 's

culprit and reacts the same. I'm glad I found a great sub pasta for him

and the entire family enjoys it too, Tinkyada-Spaghetti style with Rice

Bran or Brown Rice. has just snapped out whatever he was going

through as he had eaten 2 huge hamburgers and it was like a person

under the drug influence, an Opiod effect, really spaced or zoned out,

required alot of verbal or physical prompting, so true " Prompt

dependency is due to lesson design, not disability " in 's case.

When I heard this at the workshop, this was just the answer towards

what I needed to learn.

I am back to having him learn the ropes, teaching without Prompting-

shaping once again of the self-prompting or he will just stay like a

stature, no fun with the restroom routine as he had 2 pee accidents

waiting on me for me to prompt him, even with a visual schedule of the

restroom routine, still waited on me.

So I had to drive across town where I live to stock up with the food

items needed and stick to the strict diet for him as I have seen some

tremendous changes going on with it. I really thought I could

reintroduce the food items once again, big mistake. He even begun

throwing himself on the ground, the humping on the couch cushion and he

is no longer doing this as he is back to the strict diet. Such a

learning curve indeed.

This past week went to a Boardmaker class to refreshen up, glad I did

because I will also begin learning about Power Point with the

Boardmaker, then attended a 2 day PECS training to utilize it once

again. Just learning about Phase I knew I was on the track, it has been

helping out big times on teaching these skills with specific prompting

strategies (plan to eliminating prompts, establishing Stimulus Control

from a cue).

ABA, visual strategies & Sensory Integration along with the Alternative

Bio-med intervention are still his major arena to where he is at.

has finally qualified for Medicaid and SSI, another Medicaid

Waiver in the paper works which is CLASS (Community Living Assistance

Services & Support Services), this is wonderful to continue the

programs as he nears the aging out of school in about 4 years but

making sure that the agencies will be educated in this arena. Like

Adult Day Programs & Adult Day Care, home, etc.

On another note, I was remembering & sharing about and in

regards to the OCD behavior to one of my friends when we were

discussing about the " IF " we had to place our kiddos in some type of

residential home and I remember what if they had similar issues but

there are problems when example, " they are 2 peas in the pod with their

OCD behavior like with the door issue but totally the opposite when

imagining at home trying to work around this when one likes the door

open and the other closed " .

Irma,18,DS/ASD

October 25, 2006

Carol, first of all, as I said I love it when jamie giggles for ANY reason and I

would have a difficult time considering it inappropriate. She used to giggle

once in awhile and I think she was " replaying " some videos in her head. I wish

she'd do it more. Right now she goes off ana giggling bender when rewinding

videos and when listening to some unknown music or dialog on her tape player and

I LOVE it! I suppose that would be considered " appropriate " . But the thing with

the wheat was just wierd....truly like she was drunk.

As far as ABA goes our therapists are extremely aware of prompt dependence and

are very quick to fade prompts. I'm usually the one who ends up stretching them

out too long and have to be reminded to pull back. My dh didn't understand what

a faded prompt was till he was putting J in the car one day and she paused while

climbing up into her seat, waiting for him to help lift her up. Our therapist

was there and she barely touched her index finger to 's butt and up she

went with no physical help whatsoever. Now dh is running around talking about

" faded prompts " ...his new favorite topic:-)

Sherry

October 25, 2006

In a message dated 10/24/2006 11:42:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

megsoracco@... writes:

I was just curious, is it part of ASD to have episodes where the child

will laugh or giggle what seems to be uncontrollably?

does this. It's actually quite funny when he starts and everyone

around him starts laughing too. But yes, I understand it is part of the

autism.

patty

October 25, 2006

I have said the same thing when Tori gets into a laughing fit. " What is going

on in there? " I think the verbiage to describe the behavior " inappropriate

laughter " is just a way to say laughing without noticeable cause. Did I say

that right?