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In a message dated 10/11/2006 1:46:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Csvillars@... writes:

instead of buying high top shoes, why don't they write a behavioral plan to

help him keep his shoes on?

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

When you find out what works let me know. won't keep his shoes on

either. The first chance he gets the right shoe comes off -- then the sock so

he can chew on it and spin it around and around.

I'm not too bothered by it and neither is the school. I'm hoping it will

pass.

Patty

PS. I have a meltdown at least once or twice a month. I find it necessary

that I have these releases so I can carry on with what needs to be done.

But, I also feel that one of the blessings that come from this life is having

all of you guys who care so much and completely understand. I get a warm

feeling just from knowing that you guys are somewhere out there living the same

life. I hope to meet you all someday.

hang in there... patty

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In a message dated 10/11/2006 3:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hamburgpatti@... writes:

When you find out what works let me know. won't keep his shoes on

either. The first chance he gets the right shoe comes off -- then the sock

so

he can chew on it and spin it around and around

I wish I could give you the magic answer but each child is different and

what may work for one might not work for another. I can tell you what worked

for Trisha though. At school they were making a big issue of the shoes being

kept on. The more they stressed it the worse she got. Anyway, I asked them

what was so critical that she " had " to have her shoes on all the time. It was

more of a control thing for them than a real issue about the shoes. So what

they did was stop making a big issue of the shoes and each time she took

them off they would just remind her " shoes on " and it was her job to put them

back on with as little help as possible. If she didn't put them back on that

was ok except she didn't get to go outside or other places out of the room

until she put her shoes on. It didn't take very long for her to start leaving

her shoes on. She also takes them off in the car when we are going places and

we pretty much do the same thing, put your shoes on and now she can do that

herself so she gets reminded to put them on. She hasn't taken her shoes off

at school for over a year now and she only occasionally takes her shoes off

in the car and that is usually when we have been on the road for long periods

at a time.

Carol

Trishasmom

She isn't Typical, She's Trisha!

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In a message dated 10/11/2006 1:45:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Csvillars@... writes:

, why don't they write a behavioral plan to

help him keep his shoes on?

My thoughts exactly.

Donna

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i agree i think haveing hightops is just another things for mic to have

prblems with.they are not only hard to get off but hard to get on unless you

practically unlace them. The school cant make him wear hightops. use to

take his shoes off persistently at school and they put special rugs under his

table etc for his feet and he would get some sensory issues resolved. make a

goal in his iep or behaviorplan about it, make a social story only take his

shoes off at home or doing sensory work etc. The consistency and persistence

payed off nathan hasnt removed his shoes at school in years, and still does as

soon as he comes in the door at home as the rest of us do. shawna

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oh yes i remember that, nathan use to ALWAYS take his shoes off in the car

too, i loved those no tie shoes strins they had back then now they have the

slip on sketchers and nathan learned in order to get out of the car or go

outside etc to put his shoes on, and not having to tie made this an attainable

goal

for him. as for the right feet, i put a smiley face on the inner curve of

each shoe (somewhere betweeen the big toe and ankle) where they touch when you

put your shoes together when wearing them, and i would ask nathan can they

kiss? and he would put them together and make a kiss noise and go " yep " and get

lots of cheers, he loved this, we did that for a handful of years, not

anymore he can tell which foot the shoe goes on. hope this helps shawna

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Laurie,

Here is my input on this. This should be part of the behavioral plan

as one of the goals to be addressed now. Anyone working with a person

with autism and applies ABA therapy and some sensory integration

therapy should be aware of the importance of generalization. When Mic

is at home, this is his comfort zone and when he is at school this is

where the break down skills of working around the " taking off shoe "

task must be worked around by accomodating with social scripts around

his level, even a video modeling script could be implemented into his

classroom routine, the OT desentizing him to where he finds a comfort

of when to wear his shoes, even if it takes a timer with the break

down skills of some ABA strategies. What are they teaching Mic,

should you take the other route of searching for some high tops? This

will be extra expense, time consuming finding the right pair of

shoes, and the most unpredictable of all, changes. Just wanted to

share this in the mean time.

I'll get back, heading out with a friend for lunch and then take

out for his private ST & OT session.

Irma,18,DS/ASD

>

> Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my

fault because I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats

our routine take off shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic

does not like high tops and will wrestle with them and get frustrated

trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive been looking for some soft

high tops and just cant find them.What happened to the canvas high

top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just cant

find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop

when I put them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler

sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with me. I did try

slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on

his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

laurie

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Laurie,

I agree with who ever said, make it a part of his behavior plan. Jake also took

off his shoes all last year. Guess what, this year, no shoe problem. What they

did was just not make it a struggle. He had to have his shoes on at certain

times of the day. Eating, outside play, gym, etc. Eventually, he stopped

taking them off. We did use hiking boots at some point, but just watch out if

Mic is a kicker! Those hurt! ha! I would stick with the shoes he has and work

on taking shoes on, and putting them on. Maybe also, you could try having times

at home where he has to have his shoes on. Here is PA, everyone seems to take

they shoes off in houses. I grew up in Texas. I hardly ever took my shoes off.

Hot cement and bare feet are not something people like!

Holly

Shoes ???

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top shoes

because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my fault because I

take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats our routine take off shoes

and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic does not like high tops and will

wrestle with them and get frustrated trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive

been looking for some soft high tops and just cant find them.What happened to

the canvas high top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just

cant find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop when I put

them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler sizes.Any ideas even if I

buy them online its ok with me. I did try slippers at school that didnt

work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on his feet... just kidding but crossed mt

mind for a second. Thanks laurie

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Hi Laurie,

I purchased high top Converse sneakers for my son, , through

www.zappos.com. They are a huge online shoe store and fairly priced. Kids

Footlocker also has them, in case you have one in your area. wears SMO

orthotics and the high top Converse were the only shoes that would slip over

them. Good luck!!

Best,

To: @...: mick8_7@...: Wed, 11 Oct 2006

10:26:38 -0700Subject: Shoes ???

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top shoes

because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my fault because I

take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats our routine take off shoes

and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic does not like high tops and will

wrestle with them and get frustrated trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive

been looking for some soft high tops and just cant find them.What happened to

the canvas high top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just

cant find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop when I put

them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler sizes.Any ideas even if I

buy them online its ok with me. I did try slippers at school that didnt

work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on his feet... just kidding but crossed mt

mind for a second. Thanks laurie[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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Remember us all talking about the green Astroturf type door mats? They are

available at Wal-Mart for like 7 dollars. I had one at home but them took it to

Jake's classroom. They all use this and love it. Jake takes his shoes off and

he can rub his feet on the turf. Lots of stimulation. Also, he likes sitting

on it in circle time and rubbing his hands on it. I even thought I might have

them cut a piece and Velcro it to his desk so he can rub his hands on it when he

is trying to hold it together in his desk.

Holly

Re: Shoes ???

i agree i think haveing hightops is just another things for mic to have

prblems with.they are not only hard to get off but hard to get on unless you

practically unlace them. The school cant make him wear hightops. use to

take his shoes off persistently at school and they put special rugs under his

table etc for his feet and he would get some sensory issues resolved. make a

goal in his iep or behaviorplan about it, make a social story only take his

shoes off at home or doing sensory work etc. The consistency and persistence

payed off nathan hasnt removed his shoes at school in years, and still does as

soon as he comes in the door at home as the rest of us do. shawna

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Elie wears above the ankle Orthotics. He wears indoor soccer flats - they

go on very easily over the orthotics.

Shoes in school is the rule at our house. He may go shoeless at home and

immediately goes to his room after school to get out of school clothes into

very loose very soft " house clothes " - no shoes no underwear. AHHHHH the

relief of it.

Consistancy I think is the rule. But the school needs to be sure what the

issue is. Obedience, safety, whatever. One year we did put hiking boots on

Elie in the winter (cold in PA!!) but after he kicked an aide, we went back

to soft shoes. in many countries, kids wear very soft (slippers) shoes

inside the classroom for cleaniliness and safety. Maybe that would work for

school???

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

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>To: " nolan " < >

>Subject: RE: Shoes ???

>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:44:31 -0700

>

>Hi Laurie,

>

>I purchased high top Converse sneakers for my son, , through

>www.zappos.com. They are a huge online shoe store and fairly priced. Kids

>Footlocker also has them, in case you have one in your area. wears

>SMO orthotics and the high top Converse were the only shoes that would slip

>over them. Good luck!!

>

>Best,

>

>

>

>To: @...: mick8_7@...: Wed, 11 Oct 2006

>10:26:38 -0700Subject: Shoes ???

>

>

>

>

>Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top shoes

>because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my fault because

>I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats our routine take off

>shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic does not like high tops and

>will wrestle with them and get frustrated trying to get them off.Any

>suggestions Ive been looking for some soft high tops and just cant find

>them.What happened to the canvas high top sneakers we used to wear are they

>out of style now. I just cant find anything but little work boots and Mic

>acts like they are cement blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the

>dreaded stop drop flop when I put them on him.I just cant find those

>sneakers in toddler sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with

>me. I did try slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his

>shoes on his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

>laurie

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Holly-We bought a few of those mats. Tori loves the texture and does the same

thing. She even rubs it on her face (OUCH!!) We sent 1 into school too.

Liz

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i agree i think haveing hightops is just another things for mic to have

prblems with.they are not only hard to get off but hard to get on unless you

practically unlace them. The school cant make him wear hightops. use to

take his shoes off persistently at school and they put special rugs under his

table etc for his feet and he would get some sensory issues resolved. make a

goal in his iep or behaviorplan about it, make a social story only take his

shoes off at home or doing sensory work etc. The consistency and persistence

payed off nathan hasnt removed his shoes at school in years, and still does as

soon as he comes in the door at home as the rest of us do. shawna

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> Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my

fault because I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats

our routine take off shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic

does not like high tops and will wrestle with them and get frustrated

trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive been looking for some soft

high tops and just cant find them.What happened to the canvas high

top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just cant

find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop

when I put them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler

sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with me. I did try

slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on

his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

laurie

>

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I asked if Andy could wear slippers in school and they said " yes " that worked

for us . When he was little we got him Batman etc and he liked to wear them.

Brigid

Re: Shoes ???

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> Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my

fault because I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats

our routine take off shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic

does not like high tops and will wrestle with them and get frustrated

trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive been looking for some soft

high tops and just cant find them.What happened to the canvas high

top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just cant

find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop

when I put them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler

sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with me. I did try

slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on

his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

laurie

>

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Laurie-

Perhaps it's not really your fault Mic takes his shoes and socks off. DJ

likes to take his shoes and socks off, too. He had to have AFO's

(ankle-foot-orthotics) for years until this past year. He always had high top

lace up shoes to go over the AFO's. Recently he has learned to put on velcro

type tennis shoes but the teacher asked last week that we return to the high top

lace up shoes because he takes them off in class and throws them :( He only

throws when he is not being engaged in an activity or is asking for attention,

but they don't recognize that yet.

I get high top lace up tennis shoes at our local Payless Shoe Source but I

don't know if you have those where you live.

Hugs-

Donnell (mom to DJ-age 11)

nolan wrote:

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my fault because

I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats our routine take off shoes

and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic does not like high tops and will

wrestle with them and get frustrated trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive

been looking for some soft high tops and just cant find them.What happened to

the canvas high top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just

cant find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop when I put

them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler sizes.Any ideas even if I

buy them online its ok with me. I did try slippers at school that didnt

work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on his feet... just kidding but crossed mt

mind for a second. Thanks laurie

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Laurie,

We had the same problem with Seth. I bought him Converse high tops because

they were very lightweight. He eventually left them on all day and we

switched to regular sneakers a couple years ago. They still come off the

minute he

gets in the door from school, but he does leave them on while at school.

Now his little converse sneakers are used for dangling . LOL

Gail :-)

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my

fault because I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats

our routine take off shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic

does not like high tops and will wrestle with them and get frustrated

trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive been looking for some soft

high tops and just cant find them.What happened to the canvas high

top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just cant

find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop

when I put them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler

sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with me. I did try

slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on

his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

laurie

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Tori is a big non-shoe/sock wearer. The minute she comes in the house, they are

off! I had the same issues with her keeping them on for the longest times. I

would get them on to leave the house, and off they were in seconds. I'd get

them back on and into the car and off they went again! I started buying hi-top

everything's and these worked well; however she used to explode because she

couldn't get them off. It took us a while to teach her she needed them on when

she was out but she has finally gotten the drift. They still come off as soon

as she gets home.

Liz

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Laurie,

We had the same problem with Seth. I bought him Converse high tops because

they were very lightweight. He eventually left them on all day and we

switched to regular sneakers a couple years ago. They still come off the

minute he

gets in the door from school, but he does leave them on while at school.

Now his little converse sneakers are used for dangling . LOL

Gail :-)

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my

fault because I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats

our routine take off shoes and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic

does not like high tops and will wrestle with them and get frustrated

trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive been looking for some soft

high tops and just cant find them.What happened to the canvas high

top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just cant

find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop

when I put them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler

sizes.Any ideas even if I buy them online its ok with me. I did try

slippers at school that didnt work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on

his feet... just kidding but crossed mt mind for a second. Thanks

laurie

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Hi Laurie,

Zeb always had issues with shoes. I remember buying him black converse high

tops when he was 2. It was the only pair of shoes he couldn't get off. I never

found them again once he outgrew them. I also remember driving him to preschool

barefoot after getting knocked on the head with flying shoes and scouting my car

for the socks in the school parking lot. Zeb is in the 8th grade now and

yesterday he chose to wear his sandals to school. The school had an issue with

him taking them off yesterday. I don't think the shoe issue with ever go away

for Zeb. He says his shoes are comfortable but he just likes to go barefoot

whenever he can get away with it. He still has trouble putting his shoes back

on. The Converse are back on the market but they do not come in extra wides

sizes. My younger grandchildren also do not keep their shoes on.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 13 DS/OCD/ASD?

nolan wrote:

Mics school sent home a note and asked if we could buy him high top

shoes because he wont keep his shoes and socks on.I think thats my fault because

I take his shoes off when he gets in the door. Thats our routine take off shoes

and jacket Mic puts them in closet.. Mic does not like high tops and will

wrestle with them and get frustrated trying to get them off.Any suggestions Ive

been looking for some soft high tops and just cant find them.What happened to

the canvas high top sneakers we used to wear are they out of style now. I just

cant find anything but little work boots and Mic acts like they are cement

blocks hes trying to walk in and I get the dreaded stop drop flop when I put

them on him.I just cant find those sneakers in toddler sizes.Any ideas even if I

buy them online its ok with me. I did try slippers at school that didnt

work.Maybe I can duct tape his shoes on his feet... just kidding but crossed mt

mind for a second. Thanks laurie

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