Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 hi i was not there, did not know katie had a face lift -and my guess would be that she might say- "why? because i did." Facelift Hello Family,I had a very strong reaction on hearing that had a facelift.I wrote out the Work on it.I am very disappointed and confused that would choose to have a facelift.I am confused that she seems to care about how she looks.I want to explain to me why she would do this. shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure manifestation of Truth. shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to subject it to unnecessary surgery.I need to explain to me why she would do this. is confusing and the most beautiful being that I know.I don't want to go on feeling confused about what Truth is.It came down to this belief:Truth is supposed to look a certain way.Is that true? No, it's not true.How do you live with that belief?Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not true? It leads to separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide if it's coming from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth looks like, what integrity looks like.It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and non-acceptance of how things are appearing in front of me.I study all these satsang teachers and pick them apart.I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of me - as in doing the dishes. Very sad.Who would you be without this belief?More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing of all of Life.TATruth should not look a certain way.I should not look a certain way.Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the same time I am stiil looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. So tiring.Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did say about it.Love and blessings and grateful for this forum.Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Interesting...our reactions. Mine went something like this "Hmmmm...I thought wouldnt care about such things..." Or "She shouldnt care about that". Is that true? NO..... I obviously do care about things like that. But now that I am finished with judging her...maybe I wont judge me when I get one And I just might do that. Love to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 But was this face-lift pre- or post cockroach? It makes quite a bit of difference. Katharine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 I also was not " there " ... heard about it and had some thoughts..then i saw in Seattle and noticed a change.. more thoughts... in the end.. i wondered what value it had for me to be in KT's business.. and found 'not peace'... it's her business ... maybe i would never get a facelift.. my ethics, how i'm to live... it seems it's 's to do with as she wants..and i can not know WHY..that too brings unrest and dancing with confusion.... and a good reason for me to not attach to that thought..my peace.... here is .. how she looks in this moment.. that's a happy story.. what is.... what could have, should have, might have been...hmmmm very unrestful...i notice!! loving it all/us all maureen Facelift Hello Family, I had a very strong reaction on hearing that had a facelift. I wrote out the Work on it. I am very disappointed and confused that would choose to have a facelift. I am confused that she seems to care about how she looks. I want to explain to me why she would do this. shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure manifestation of Truth. shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to subject it to unnecessary surgery. I need to explain to me why she would do this. is confusing and the most beautiful being that I know. I don't want to go on feeling confused about what Truth is. It came down to this belief: Truth is supposed to look a certain way. Is that true? No, it's not true. How do you live with that belief? Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not true? It leads to separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide if it's coming from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth looks like, what integrity looks like. It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and non-acceptance of how things are appearing in front of me. I study all these satsang teachers and pick them apart. I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of me - as in doing the dishes. Very sad. Who would you be without this belief? More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing of all of Life. TA Truth should not look a certain way. I should not look a certain way. Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the same time I am stiil looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. So tiring. Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did say about it. Love and blessings and grateful for this forum. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 i got the impression it was recent....katie also lost a lot of weight since i first knew her. i heard a tape a few years ago -or video- where she said she was thinking of doing a tv show and they told her she was too old and too fat- her words. Re: Facelift But was this face-lift pre- or post cockroach? It makes quite a bit ofdifference.Katharine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Dear Margaret, Some other beliefs I'm hearing in your work: cares about how she looks. A facelift is unnecessary surgery, that means having a facelift is treating your body unlovingly. has destroyed your image of her. You need an explanation. I have heard say a few times that the body is " not her business " , it's her doctor's business, because she doesn't believe in bodies. I was at the Cleanse and it was at first hard for me to wrap my mind around the information that she had recently had a facelift. But she explained it in such a way that it became an incredible metaphor that I've since referred to again and again. Someone gave her a plastic surgeon's phone number (her daughter, I think). Then, step by step, thoughts appeared that led her to have a facelift. Not thoughts like " I don't like my face " or " I look old " , but rather " call this number " , " make an appointment for next week " , etc. She did not have a story about it - she did not plan it (that would be a story of a future). She was not the doer. She had the thoughts, she went inside, she acted. Why? Is it possible that having a facelift was for her highest good? Must be--it's what is. My own story about it is that when her book is released, there is a media frenzy. If she appears now even more radiant, perhaps even more will notice. The Work spreads even faster and this is a very good thing. Love, believes the body is not her business. madodeane wrote: > > Hello Family, > > I had a very strong reaction on hearing that had a facelift. > I wrote out the Work on it. > > I am very disappointed and confused that would choose to have a > facelift. > I am confused that she seems to care about how she looks. > I want to explain to me why she would do this. > shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure manifestation of > Truth. > shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to subject it to > unnecessary surgery. > I need to explain to me why she would do this. > is confusing and the most beautiful being that I know. > I don't want to go on feeling confused about what Truth is. > > It came down to this belief: > Truth is supposed to look a certain way. > Is that true? No, it's not true. > How do you live with that belief? > Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not true? It leads to > separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide if it's coming > from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth looks like, what > integrity looks like. > It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and non-acceptance of > how things are appearing in front of me. > I study all these satsang teachers and pick them apart. > I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of me - as in doing the > dishes. Very sad. > Who would you be without this belief? > More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing of all of Life. > TA > Truth should not look a certain way. > I should not look a certain way. > > Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the same time I am stiil > looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. So tiring. > Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did say about it. > > Love and blessings and grateful for this forum. > Margaret > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 yes, and maybe she would say, " because stephen wanted it. he looks at my face. I don't. " > > hi > i was not there, did not know katie had a face lift -and my guess would be that she might say- " why? because i did. " > > Facelift > > > Hello Family, > > I had a very strong reaction on hearing that had a facelift. > I wrote out the Work on it. > > I am very disappointed and confused that would choose to have a > facelift. > I am confused that she seems to care about how she looks. > I want to explain to me why she would do this. > shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure manifestation of > Truth. > shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to subject it to > unnecessary surgery. > I need to explain to me why she would do this. > is confusing and the most beautiful being that I know. > I don't want to go on feeling confused about what Truth is. > > It came down to this belief: > Truth is supposed to look a certain way. > Is that true? No, it's not true. > How do you live with that belief? > Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not true? It leads to > separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide if it's coming > from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth looks like, what > integrity looks like. > It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and non-acceptance of > how things are appearing in front of me. > I study all these satsang teachers and pick them apart. > I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of me - as in doing the > dishes. Very sad. > Who would you be without this belief? > More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing of all of Life. > TA > Truth should not look a certain way. > I should not look a certain way. > > Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the same time I am stiil > looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. So tiring. > Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did say about it. > > Love and blessings and grateful for this forum. > Margaret > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 My heart felt lighter on hearing 's account of what said about it. Her just following directions makes so much sense. I still feel stumped as to why Truth would guide her to have a facelift. To me, 's light and brilliance just shine - what difference could a few less wrinkles and some more firmness make? Why would Truth need a more youthful appearance to make it attractive? In writing this I just had the flash that a beautiful appearance might hold someone's attention long enough to hear what is saying. I was having lunch with a friend today and she said, 'Are you sure this has nothing to do with your beauty issue?' I spent years not feeling pretty enough, then moved to a plateau of neutrality around it and now I'm seeing that there are beliefs of unworthiness around beauty here as in I don't feel worthy enough to dress well and look better. As long as there is any attachment of any nature, I'm going to get triggered. The journey continues. Love, Margaret > > > > Hello Family, > > > > I had a very strong reaction on hearing that had a facelift. > > I wrote out the Work on it. > > > > I am very disappointed and confused that would choose to have a > > facelift. > > I am confused that she seems to care about how she looks. > > I want to explain to me why she would do this. > > shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure manifestation of > > Truth. > > shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to subject it to > > unnecessary surgery. > > I need to explain to me why she would do this. > > is confusing and the most beautiful being that I know. > > I don't want to go on feeling confused about what Truth is. > > > > It came down to this belief: > > Truth is supposed to look a certain way. > > Is that true? No, it's not true. > > How do you live with that belief? > > Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not true? It leads to > > separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide if it's coming > > from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth looks like, what > > integrity looks like. > > It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and non-acceptance of > > how things are appearing in front of me. > > I study all these satsang teachers and pick them apart. > > I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of me - as in doing the > > dishes. Very sad. > > Who would you be without this belief? > > More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing of all of Life. > > TA > > Truth should not look a certain way. > > I should not look a certain way. > > > > Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the same time I am stiil > > looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. So tiring. > > Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did say about it. > > > > Love and blessings and grateful for this forum. > > Margaret > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 I was there, and my thoughts came much later, like it appeared to me if I were blind, or could have some sort of surgery that one could not have had many, many years ago and simply had to accept the course of things, how during that time you just accept it, and now so much is available, after all isn't all surgery considered not necessary? Wouldn't one say all surgery is selfish?? Not sure exactly, and in that moment it just became so simply & clear. peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 hi I didn't know she remarried, what happened to ? I have no questions on why a face lift. Smile. --- Laurie Shuman wrote: > hi > i was not there, did not know katie had a face lift > -and my guess would be that she might say- " why? > because i did. " > > Facelift > > > Hello Family, > > I had a very strong reaction on hearing that > had a facelift. > I wrote out the Work on it. > > I am very disappointed and confused that > would choose to have a > facelift. > I am confused that she seems to care about how she > looks. > I want to explain to me why she would do > this. > shouldn't destroy my image of my one pure > manifestation of > Truth. > shouldn't treat her body so unlovingly as to > subject it to > unnecessary surgery. > I need to explain to me why she would do > this. > is confusing and the most beautiful being > that I know. > I don't want to go on feeling confused about what > Truth is. > > It came down to this belief: > Truth is supposed to look a certain way. > Is that true? No, it's not true. > How do you live with that belief? > Judging. Analysing.What is true - what is not > true? It leads to > separation. I watch people's behavior and I decide > if it's coming > from a place of Truth or not. I decide what Truth > looks like, what > integrity looks like. > It leaves me feeling tired of all the judging and > non-acceptance of > how things are appearing in front of me. > I study all these satsang teachers and pick them > apart. > I don't look for what Truth feels like inside of > me - as in doing the > dishes. Very sad. > Who would you be without this belief? > More accepting. Less judgemental. More embracing > of all of Life. > TA > Truth should not look a certain way. > I should not look a certain way. > > Some of the edge has gone off of this and at the > same time I am stiil > looking for explanations. How the mind attaches. > So tiring. > Perhaps Lana or Carol can tell me what did > say about it. > > Love and blessings and grateful for this forum. > Margaret > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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