Re: Thoughts on ADD/the meds/depression, etc.

[Guest guest]

I agree. I always thought that my ADD (which was never diagnosed)

led to my depression. Had I gotten this under control when I was a

child, I never would have been depressed as I was in my early 20s.

Luther

-- In SSRIsex , yupitsme wrote:

>

> I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

>

> My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty severe

ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just some fly-by-night

diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was

diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were manifested

in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more I

read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important

underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the

Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

>

> He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings of

failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the

reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall in

early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally

found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that was a

pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I think

by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had already

signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning of

May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking death

from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the

feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show signs

of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on the

road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt with

a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from

> reality as he had in the past.

>

> But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of

Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning

zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the

Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I didn't

want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to get rid of

them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I think I

might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his

Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.

>

> By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had

overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears, he

could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the

headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're

under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is going

to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the doc

could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the pharmacist

who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over until

June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that it

would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay out of

pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However, on

June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes

20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at 5AM

anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip the

weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!).

>

> Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a

killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but never

went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an hour,

felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was focused

and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without

crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he has in

the past 4 days.

>

> I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has

ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly diagnosed in

adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49 and

I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll bet

he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career and

happier with life and less prone to depression.

>

> I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when the

docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of the

issue.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The weird thing is that it seems to me that SSRIs make ADD worse...

I never had any kind of attention deficit until I tok celexa, but

now I feel like I have it sometimes, though only mildly. I think I

was more OCD - type before I took it. It seems like ADD and OCD are

the two opposite ends of a behavioral spectrum.

Vornan

> >

> > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> >

> > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty severe

> ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just some fly-by-night

> diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was

> diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were

manifested

> in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more I

> read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important

> underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the

> Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> >

> > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings

of

> failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the

> reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall

in

> early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally

> found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that was

a

> pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I

think

> by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

> medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had already

> signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning

of

> May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking

death

> from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the

> feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show

signs

> of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on the

> road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt

with

> a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from

> > reality as he had in the past.

> >

> > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of

> Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning

> zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the

> Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I didn't

> want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to get rid of

> them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I think

I

> might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his

> Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.

> >

> > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had

> overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears,

he

> could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the

> headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're

> under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is

going

> to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the

doc

> could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the pharmacist

> who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over

until

> June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that

it

> would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay out

of

> pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However,

on

> June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes

> 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at

5AM

> anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip the

> weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!).

> >

> > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a

> killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but

never

> went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an hour,

> felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was focused

> and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without

> crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he has

in

> the past 4 days.

> >

> > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has

> ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly diagnosed in

> adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49

and

> I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll

bet

> he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career and

> happier with life and less prone to depression.

> >

> > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when

the

> docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of the

> issue.

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

When my husband was diagnosed, they gave him the book "Driven to Distraction" which deals mostly with Adult ADD. And it says that a huge majority of adults suffering from undiagnosed ADD suffer from depression as a result. It's an excellent book. I recommend it highly.lightsoutluther wrote: I agree. I always thought that my ADD (which was never diagnosed) led to my depression. Had I gotten this under control when I was a child, I never would have been depressed as I was in my early 20s.Luther-- In SSRIsex , yupitsme wrote:>> I know this might be a bit off topic but.....> > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty severe ADD (about 15 hours of testing so

it wasn't just some fly-by-night diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were manifested in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more I read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.> > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings of failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall in early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that was a pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I think by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had already signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning of May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking death from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show signs of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on the road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt with a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from> reality as he had in the past.> > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I didn't want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to

get rid of them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I think I might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.> > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears, he could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is going to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the doc could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the pharmacist who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over until June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that it would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay out of pocket for any

portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However, on June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at 5AM anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip the weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!). > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but never went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an hour, felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was focused and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he has in the past 4 days.> > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has ADD, but could you imagine

if he were properly diagnosed in adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49 and I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll bet he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career and happier with life and less prone to depression.> > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when the docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of the issue.> > > ---------------------------------> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.>

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Actually, Vornan, they might not be as far apart as you think. Oddly enough, one of the symptoms of ADD/ADHD is "hyperfocusing" to the point where the ADD person tunes out everything else. It would be common for me to be out for an evening and my husband at home with the kids, working at the computer doing estimates, etc., for his contracting business. I'd get home at 10PM or so and no one has eaten (despite dinner being prepared and in the fridge), and no one was ready for bed. I used to get SO aggravated. But once I realized what I was dealing with, I found ways around it. The medication helps him somewhat, but he still can hyperfocus at times, particularly in the evening when the meds have worn off. So I set the timer in the kitchen or I put my oldest son in charge of dinner or I put sticky notes with instructions on the tupperware. Or I do all three and cross my

fingers. :-) So to me, the hyperfocusing portion of ADD has a hint of OCD layered on top."Vornan-19 (moderator)" wrote: The weird thing is that it seems to me that SSRIs make ADD worse...I never had any kind of attention deficit until I tok celexa, but now I feel like I have it sometimes, though only mildly. I think I was more OCD - type before I took it. It seems like ADD and OCD are the two opposite ends of a behavioral spectrum.Vornan> >> > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....> > > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty severe > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just some fly-by-night > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were manifested > in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more I > read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important > underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.> > > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings of

> failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall in > early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally > found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that was a > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I think > by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the > medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had already > signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning of > May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking death > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the > feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show signs > of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on the > road ahead and making the best of

it, and going at his job hunt with > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from> > reality as he had in the past.> > > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I didn't > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to get rid of > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I think I > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.> > > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable

tears, he > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the > headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is going > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the doc > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the pharmacist > who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over until > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that it > would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay out of > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However, on > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at 5AM > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip the > weekend.

So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!). > > > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a > killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but never > went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an hour, > felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was focused > and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without > crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he has in > the past 4 days.> > > > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has > ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly diagnosed in > adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49 and > I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll bet > he would have been a

lot more successful in school, his career and > happier with life and less prone to depression.> > > > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when the > docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of the > issue.> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big.> >>

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[Guest guest]

Do you guys think ADD really is a disorder. I would rather think it

as a personality than a disorder. But than again, I never met anyone

who said that they severe ADD. I have trouble focusing on many

things but I am able to focus (too much almost) on things that I am

interested in. I personally think many of the phychiatry diagnosing

is not really needed to improve our lives unless we are really

really really mentally behind the normal standard of the society. I

dont believe depression as a sickness either, I think its just a

state of mind that a person is in. Depression also helps us to feel

angry, sad and other emotional feelings that can drive us to do

things that are good and bad. The problem is that people want to

believe in this utopia mindset where we are suppose to be happy all

the time and if we believe something exists, it does. This is just

my opinion.

This is off topic but have anyone heard of Robbins. If there

is one book out there that has helped me deal with this problem is

his book and tapes. It really helps to view things from different a

perspective.

> > >

> > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > >

> > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty

severe

> > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just some fly-by-

night

> > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was

> > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were

> manifested

> > in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more

I

> > read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important

> > underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the

> > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > >

> > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings

> of

> > failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the

> > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall

> in

> > early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally

> > found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that

was

> a

> > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I

> think

> > by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

> > medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had

already

> > signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning

> of

> > May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking

> death

> > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the

> > feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show

> signs

> > of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on

the

> > road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt

> with

> > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from

> > > reality as he had in the past.

> > >

> > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of

> > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning

> > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the

> > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I

didn't

> > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to get rid

of

> > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I

think

> I

> > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his

> > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.

> > >

> > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had

> > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears,

> he

> > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the

> > headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're

> > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is

> going

> > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the

> doc

> > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the

pharmacist

> > who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over

> until

> > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that

> it

> > would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay

out

> of

> > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However,

> on

> > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes

> > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at

> 5AM

> > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip

the

> > weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!).

> > >

> > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a

> > killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but

> never

> > went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an

hour,

> > felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was

focused

> > and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without

> > crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he

has

> in

> > the past 4 days.

> > >

> > > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has

> > ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly diagnosed in

> > adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49

> and

> > I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll

> bet

> > he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career

and

> > happier with life and less prone to depression.

> > >

> > > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when

> the

> > docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of

the

> > issue.

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

> PC

> > and save big.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, no I don't think any of this is off-topic. Here is

my model.

Variation in neuro-chemistry household leads to

different states of mind but also patterns of

behaviour. By far the best way is to influence the

system from either the behavioural (exercise

meditation, routines, behaviour therapy), or the sate

of mind side of things (how you see yourself, various

therapies or ways of thinking, philosophy).

Alternatively, if the system gets too far out of the

functional normal range of variation in levels brain

chemicals (called homeostasis) it may be difficult to

regulate it behaviourally. You might want to try to

take control again by temporarily jogging the system

chemically, but for as little as possible.

The different personalities we have, and we have to

learn to live with, represent natural variation: more

active less active, more focussed on one thing, more

concentrated on wider patterns.

If we run into problems through life events or changes

through maturing, any therapy/routine can help get us

back on track. A shaman/couch/spiritual

leader/psychologist can help us, but of those only the

shaman (traditional healer) might use some chemicals

(magic mushrooms or whatever) on a TEMPORARY basis, to

jog the system as meant above. Our modern doctor,

unfortunately, who has taken the place of these other

people, doesn't really want to guide with

behaviour/thought processes: too much personal effort;

no training; no time. In stead he gives the shaman’s

intended for a more PERMANENT basis with minimal

supervision/personal involvement, just to save time. I

think this is a mistake, because in the end we must

aim to become self-regulating again in the homeostatic

range in which we functionally interact with our

environment through consequences (feedback) or our

behaviour to our system

I don't think it's productive to think in terms of

deficiency of a chemical, but in stead rely on our

self healing potential to learn to operate

interactionally and self-regulating again with

whatever propensities we have - tough.

Restore regulation. If it's cold in the house,

ideally, first you wanna try re-adjust the thermostat,

rather than keep burning the furniture on a permanent

basis just because the heating hasn't switched on.

--- zoloftscrwd4life

wrote:

> Do you guys think ADD really is a disorder. I would

> rather think it

> as a personality than a disorder. But than again, I

> never met anyone

> who said that they severe ADD. I have trouble

> focusing on many

> things but I am able to focus (too much almost) on

> things that I am

> interested in. I personally think many of the

> phychiatry diagnosing

> is not really needed to improve our lives unless we

> are really

> really really mentally behind the normal standard of

> the society. I

> dont believe depression as a sickness either, I

> think its just a

> state of mind that a person is in. Depression also

> helps us to feel

> angry, sad and other emotional feelings that can

> drive us to do

> things that are good and bad. The problem is that

> people want to

> believe in this utopia mindset where we are suppose

> to be happy all

> the time and if we believe something exists, it

> does. This is just

> my opinion.

>

> This is off topic but have anyone heard of

> Robbins. If there

> is one book out there that has helped me deal with

> this problem is

> his book and tapes. It really helps to view things

> from different a

> perspective.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > > >

> > > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago

> with pretty

> severe

> > > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just

> some fly-by-

> night

> > > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my

> middle son was

> > > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same

> symptoms were

> > manifested

> > > in my husband. In fact, I started to become

> convinced, the more

> I

> > > read about ADD and adults, that it could have

> been an important

> > > underlying factor that led to his depression and

> ultimately the

> > > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > > >

> > > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding

> to his feelings

> > of

> > > failure). He had a business that failed. I

> think many of the

> > > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He

> went on Adderall

> > in

> > > early February and it wasn't until early March

> that they finally

> > > found the right dose. But he had started a job

> in January that

> was

> > a

> > > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in

> itself and I

> > think

> > > by the time he was feeling the full positive

> effects of the

> > > medication and deriving benefits from therapy

> too, he had

> already

> > > signed his death warrant over there. He was let

> go the beginning

> > of

> > > May. Initially this was a good thing as he

> looked like walking

> > death

> > > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But

> eventually, the

> > > feelings of failure caught up with him and he

> started to show

> > signs

> > > of depression again. But amazingly, he was

> keeping his eyes on

> the

> > > road ahead and making the best of it, and going

> at his job hunt

> > with

> > > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and

> withdraw from

> > > > reality as he had in the past.

> > > >

> > > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he

> ran out of

> > > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a

> fit of cleaning

> > > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely

> weaned off the

> > > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out

> thinking I

> didn't

> > > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just

> wanted to get rid

> of

> > > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is

> still here. I

> think

> > I

> > > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow,

> he can't get his

> > > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until

> June 2.

> > > >

> > > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression

> and despair had

> > > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into

> uncontrollable tears,

> > he

> > > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had

> 'deer in the

> > > headlights' about the job hunt and other

> financial stress we're

> > > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house

> or the bank is

> > going

> > > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a

> controlled substance, the

> > doc

> > > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I

> called the

> pharmacist

> > > who told me she could fill part of the script to

> tide him over

> > until

> > > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview

> June 1) but that

> > it

> > > would invalidate the rest of that script and

> we'd have to pay

> out

> > of

> > > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we

> filled. However,

> > on

> > > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long

> script. He takes

> > > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since

> he wasn't up at

> > 5AM

> > > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on

> 20 mg and skip

> the

>

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There definitely seems to be a connection between ADD and depression.

I am ADD, although I was never diagnosed during childhood, despite

being checked; they said my marks were too good to be ADD (can you

believe that?). Some of the ADD symptoms (irritability, trouble

focusing) have decreased while others are still there (moodyness,

depression).

I've tried Ritalin for a short time, and it didn't really do much for

me (however, I discontinued it pretty quickly because it absolutely

killed my libido). I believe this is because depression is why I'm so

unmotivated (and not other symptoms of ADD). On SSRIs, I was doing

great in that department (about the only good thing they did to me). I

was too mellow to get irritated. Insofar, it didn't have a negative

influence on ADD in my case.

@vornan: " It seems like ADD and OCD are the two opposite ends of a

behavioral spectrum. " Are you indicating that OCD and ADD are mutually

exclusive (to some extent)? That would be interesting, because I am

both ADD and OCD-type. It seems that OCD, ADD and depression are all

caused by serotonin issues, right? Wenever I've been on a

serotonin-influencing drug, all three have improved.

@zoloftscrwd4life: Actually, I think depression (and ADD and OCD) are

disorders. By definition, a disorder is an abnormal condition of the

body or mind. All of the above (depression, ADD and OCD) are cause by

chemical imbalances. Although there is a certain variability, there

are limits (and most of us are beyond that). Of course, depression et

al. are a state of mind but that state is heavily (if not exclusively)

influenced by chemicals. This is not saying there's no way to improve

without taking meds; I think there is. However, I simply can't do

without meds right now. CBT probably works, but it requires you to be

motivated to learn it (someting I need drugs for).

" The problem is that people want to believe in this utopia mindset

where we are suppose to be happy all the time... " I don't agree. I

don't have the illusion of trying to always be happy, but I'm

absolutely sure that people who aren't depressed lead better lifes.

Just because we tend to be very unhappy, we shouldn't accept this as

our normal state. I don't expect to be happy all the time, I just want

to be " normal " (being happy and unhappy). Just my two cents.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago

> > with pretty

> > severe

> > > > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just

> > some fly-by-

> > night

> > > > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my

> > middle son was

> > > > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same

> > symptoms were

> > > manifested

> > > > in my husband. In fact, I started to become

> > convinced, the more

> > I

> > > > read about ADD and adults, that it could have

> > been an important

> > > > underlying factor that led to his depression and

> > ultimately the

> > > > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > > > >

> > > > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding

> > to his feelings

> > > of

> > > > failure). He had a business that failed. I

> > think many of the

> > > > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He

> > went on Adderall

> > > in

> > > > early February and it wasn't until early March

> > that they finally

> > > > found the right dose. But he had started a job

> > in January that

> > was

> > > a

> > > > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in

> > itself and I

> > > think

> > > > by the time he was feeling the full positive

> > effects of the

> > > > medication and deriving benefits from therapy

> > too, he had

> > already

> > > > signed his death warrant over there. He was let

> > go the beginning

> > > of

> > > > May. Initially this was a good thing as he

> > looked like walking

> > > death

> > > > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But

> > eventually, the

> > > > feelings of failure caught up with him and he

> > started to show

> > > signs

> > > > of depression again. But amazingly, he was

> > keeping his eyes on

> > the

> > > > road ahead and making the best of it, and going

> > at his job hunt

> > > with

> > > > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and

> > withdraw from

> > > > > reality as he had in the past.

> > > > >

> > > > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he

> > ran out of

> > > > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a

> > fit of cleaning

> > > > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely

> > weaned off the

> > > > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out

> > thinking I

> > didn't

> > > > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just

> > wanted to get rid

> > of

> > > > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is

> > still here. I

> > think

> > > I

> > > > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow,

> > he can't get his

> > > > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until

> > June 2.

> > > > >

> > > > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression

> > and despair had

> > > > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into

> > uncontrollable tears,

> > > he

> > > > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had

> > 'deer in the

> > > > headlights' about the job hunt and other

> > financial stress we're

> > > > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house

> > or the bank is

> > > going

> > > > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a

> > controlled substance, the

> > > doc

> > > > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I

> > called the

> > pharmacist

> > > > who told me she could fill part of the script to

> > tide him over

> > > until

> > > > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview

> > June 1) but that

> > > it

> > > > would invalidate the rest of that script and

> > we'd have to pay

> > out

> > > of

> > > > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we

> > filled. However,

> > > on

> > > > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long

> > script. He takes

> > > > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since

> > he wasn't up at

> > > 5AM

> > > > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on

> > 20 mg and skip

> > the

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Many of these books, and Dr. don't really know what causes depression or ADD. It is just a hand waiving to the problem. ADD cause depression, Serotonin cause depression ... There is no blood test, or MRI test to be done and say " look you see that dark spot, you see this level is being too high " ....

Sorry, I never believe in depression or ADD to be an illness, unless in extreme cases. On 5/25/06, yupitsme <

duckfan02052@...> wrote:

When my husband was diagnosed, they gave him the book " Driven to Distraction " which deals mostly with Adult ADD. And it says that a huge majority of adults suffering from undiagnosed ADD suffer from depression as a result. It's an excellent book. I recommend it highly.

lightsoutluther <lightsoutluther@...

> wrote: I agree. I always thought that my ADD (which was never diagnosed) led to my depression. Had I gotten this under control when I was a child, I never would have been depressed as I was in my early 20s.Luther-- In SSRIsex

, yupitsme wrote:>> I know this might be a bit off topic but.....> > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty severe ADD (about 15 hours of testing so

it wasn't just some fly-by-night diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were manifested in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more I read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.> > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings of failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall in early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that was a pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I think by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had already signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning of May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking death

from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show signs of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on the road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt with a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from> reality as he had in the past.> > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I didn't want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to

get rid of them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I think I might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.> > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears, he could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is going to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the doc could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the pharmacist who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over until June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that it would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay out of pocket for any

portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However, on June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at 5AM anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip the weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!). > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but never

went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an hour, felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was focused and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he has in the past 4 days.> > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has ADD, but could you imagine

if he were properly diagnosed in adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49 and I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll bet he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career and happier with life and less prone to depression.> > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when the docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of the issue.

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If your definition of illness is that you get out of

the range of normal responsivenss/ and functional

interaction with the enviroment is disturbed, then

(1) A temperature and a flue is illness

(2) Depression is illness

Both presumably leading to restoration of a

functionally interactive situation, namely by (1)

killing microorganisms that do not easily grow at a

temperature, and allow the boy to rest and recuperate

at the same time (2) withdrawing from normal social

interaction, perhaps allowing the relevant mechanisms

to recuperate.

It may still be difficult to measure at this stage,

partly because many different out of homeostasis

conditions, may all lead to this re-cuperation

condition. Just as flue may be caused by different

infections.

JR

--- Steve wrote:

> Many of these books, and Dr. don't really know what

> causes depression or

> ADD. It is just a hand waiving to the problem. ADD

> cause depression,

> Serotonin cause depression ... There is no blood

> test, or MRI test to be

> done and say " look you see that dark spot, you see

> this level is being too

> high " ....

>

> Sorry, I never believe in depression or ADD to be an

> illness, unless in

> extreme cases.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > When my husband was diagnosed, they gave him the

> book " Driven to

> > Distraction " which deals mostly with Adult ADD.

> And it says that a huge

> > majority of adults suffering from undiagnosed ADD

> suffer from depression as

> > a result. It's an excellent book. I recommend it

> highly.

> >

> >

> > *lightsoutluther *

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I agree. I always thought that my ADD (which was

> never diagnosed)

> > led to my depression. Had I gotten this under

> control when I was a

> > child, I never would have been depressed as I was

> in my early 20s.

> >

> > Luther

> >

> >

> > -- In SSRIsex , yupitsme

> wrote:

> > >

> > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > >

> > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago

> with pretty severe

> > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just

> some fly-by-night

> > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my

> middle son was

> > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same

> symptoms were manifested

> > in my husband. In fact, I started to become

> convinced, the more I

> > read about ADD and adults, that it could have been

> an important

> > underlying factor that led to his depression and

> ultimately the

> > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > >

> > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding

> to his feelings of

> > failure). He had a business that failed. I think

> many of the

> > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He

> went on Adderall in

> > early February and it wasn't until early March

> that they finally

> > found the right dose. But he had started a job in

> January that was a

> > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in

> itself and I think

> > by the time he was feeling the full positive

> effects of the

> > medication and deriving benefits from therapy too,

> he had already

> > signed his death warrant over there. He was let go

> the beginning of

> > May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked

> like walking death

> > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But

> eventually, the

> > feelings of failure caught up with him and he

> started to show signs

> > of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping

> his eyes on the

> > road ahead and making the best of it, and going at

> his job hunt with

> > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and

> withdraw from

> > > reality as he had in the past.

> > >

> > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he

> ran out of

> > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a

> fit of cleaning

> > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely

> weaned off the

> > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out

> thinking I didn't

> > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just

> wanted to get rid of

> > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is

> still here. I think I

> > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he

> can't get his

> > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June

> 2.

> > >

> > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression

> and despair had

> > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into

> uncontrollable tears, he

> > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer

> in the

> > headlights' about the job hunt and other financial

> stress we're

> > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or

> the bank is going

> > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled

> substance, the doc

> > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I

> called the pharmacist

> > who told me she could fill part of the script to

> tide him over until

> > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview

> June 1) but that it

> > would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd

> have to pay out of

> > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we

> filled. However, on

> > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long

> script. He takes

> > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since

> he wasn't up at 5AM

> > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20

> mg and skip the

> > weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for

> $35!).

> > >

> > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3

> days, he's had a

> > killer headache upon awakening that abated during

> the day, but never

> > went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and

> within an hour,

> > felt like a new person. The headache was gone

> and he was focused

> > and able to look at all our stressors and

> obstacles without

> > crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this

> AM than he has in

> > the past 4 days.

> > >

> > > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from

> depression has

> > ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly

> diagnosed in

> > adolescence or even early adulthood (forget

> childhood--we're 49 and

> > I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back

> then)?? I'll bet

> > he would have been a lot more successful in

> school, his career and

> > happier with life and less prone to depression.

> > >

> > > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a

> catch-all when the

> > docs really don't want to take the time to get at

> the root of the

> > issue.

> > >

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Your example is perfect. in (1), you can clearly see an infection of somesort, the flu, causing the fevor. Body reaction to the infection. in (2), depression is body reaction to a some psyhological event, which could be illness, like cancer, loss of family member, financial dificulties, or other life dilema we go through time to time. Just like a fevor, if you just take some remedie to reduce your symtoms, you may not address the initial problem your body was reacting to. If you have a fevor and infection is from lets say Avian Flu, just taking Asprin, might be fatal. Saying cause of the depression is becuase of low level of Serotonin and treat it like a cold or flue, it is not the answer. In case of my dear wife, she went through the depression and was on the pill for 3 years and when she came off, same depression symtoms came back. Crying Low Energy, Marital issue. It maid me depressed and did not wanted to go through that again. I told her, " if you go to see your Dr. I am sure he would put you on medication again, you have all symtomps of depression. " For a while, I woke her up every single day and took her running. She became much better now, and I can say the depression is gone. When we saw our Family Therapist, she said to my wife " I have not seen you this happy, what had happent? " My wife was smiling. !!!

True, just like fevor is body reaction to infection, depression is body reaction to event in our body and surrounding. But, please don't call it an illness or blame it on Serotonin. -Seteve

If your definition of illness is that you get out of

the range of normal responsivenss/ and functional

interaction with the enviroment is disturbed, then

(1) A temperature and a flue is illness

(2) Depression is illness

Both presumably leading to restoration of a

functionally interactive situation, namely by (1)

killing microorganisms that do not easily grow at a

temperature, and allow the boy to rest and recuperate

at the same time (2) withdrawing from normal social

interaction, perhaps allowing the relevant mechanisms

to recuperate.

It may still be difficult to measure at this stage,

partly because many different out of homeostasis

conditions, may all lead to this re-cuperation

condition. Just as flue may be caused by different

infections.

JR

[Guest guest]

Great, Steve! I think in essence we are perhaps

saying the same thing. My concept of disease is

completely psycho-physical though. Flue ALSO has a

psychological component as a result of which you are

vulnerable. And sometimes your body waits,

strategically, till you can " afford' to be ill (after

the real stress causing events have passed), before

you get the flue.

JR

--- Steve wrote:

.... I told her, " if you go to see your Dr. I am

> sure he would put you

> on medication again, you have all symtomps of

> depression. " For a while, I

> woke her up every single day and took her running.

> She became much better

> now, and I can say the depression is gone. When we

> saw our Family

> Therapist, she said to my wife " I have not seen you

> this happy, what had

> happent? " My wife was smiling. !!!

>

> True, just like fevor is body reaction to infection,

> depression is body

> reaction to event in our body and surrounding. But,

> please don't call it an

> illness or blame it on Serotonin.

>

> -Seteve

>

>

> >

> > If your definition of illness is that you get out

> of

> > the range of normal responsivenss/ and functional

> > interaction with the enviroment is disturbed, then

> >

> > (1) A temperature and a flue is illness

> > (2) Depression is illness

> >

> > Both presumably leading to restoration of a

> > functionally interactive situation, namely by (1)

> > killing microorganisms that do not easily grow at

> a

> > temperature, and allow the boy to rest and

> recuperate

> > at the same time (2) withdrawing from normal

> social

> > interaction, perhaps allowing the relevant

> mechanisms

> > to recuperate.

> >

> > It may still be difficult to measure at this

> stage,

> > partly because many different out of homeostasis

> > conditions, may all lead to this re-cuperation

> > condition. Just as flue may be caused by different

> > infections.

> >

> > JR

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hmmm, yeah, it would appear that being " obsessed " and

having " attention deficit " are opposites, but I suppose someone

could be in a mixed state or even be " bipolar " on that spectrum and

swing between extremes. The brain is obviously much more complex

than being confined to one fixed state.

Vornan

In SSRIsex , yupitsme wrote:

>

> Actually, Vornan, they might not be as far apart as you think.

Oddly enough, one of the symptoms of ADD/ADHD is " hyperfocusing " to

the point where the ADD person tunes out everything else. It would

be common for me to be out for an evening and my husband at home

with the kids, working at the computer doing estimates, etc., for

his contracting business. I'd get home at 10PM or so and no one has

eaten (despite dinner being prepared and in the fridge), and no one

was ready for bed.

>

> I used to get SO aggravated. But once I realized what I was

dealing with, I found ways around it. The medication helps him

somewhat, but he still can hyperfocus at times, particularly in the

evening when the meds have worn off. So I set the timer in the

kitchen or I put my oldest son in charge of dinner or I put sticky

notes with instructions on the tupperware.

>

> Or I do all three and cross my fingers. :-)

>

> So to me, the hyperfocusing portion of ADD has a hint of OCD

layered on top.

>

> " Vornan-19 (moderator) " wrote:

> The weird thing is that it seems to me that SSRIs make ADD

worse...

>

> I never had any kind of attention deficit until I tok celexa, but

> now I feel like I have it sometimes, though only mildly. I think

I

> was more OCD - type before I took it. It seems like ADD and OCD

are

> the two opposite ends of a behavioral spectrum.

>

> Vornan

>

>

> > >

> > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > >

> > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago with pretty

severe

> > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just some fly-by-

night

> > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my middle son was

> > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same symptoms were

> manifested

> > in my husband. In fact, I started to become convinced, the more

I

> > read about ADD and adults, that it could have been an important

> > underlying factor that led to his depression and ultimately the

> > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > >

> > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding to his feelings

> of

> > failure). He had a business that failed. I think many of the

> > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He went on Adderall

> in

> > early February and it wasn't until early March that they finally

> > found the right dose. But he had started a job in January that

was

> a

> > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in itself and I

> think

> > by the time he was feeling the full positive effects of the

> > medication and deriving benefits from therapy too, he had

already

> > signed his death warrant over there. He was let go the beginning

> of

> > May. Initially this was a good thing as he looked like walking

> death

> > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But eventually, the

> > feelings of failure caught up with him and he started to show

> signs

> > of depression again. But amazingly, he was keeping his eyes on

the

> > road ahead and making the best of it, and going at his job hunt

> with

> > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and withdraw from

> > > reality as he had in the past.

> > >

> > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he ran out of

> > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a fit of cleaning

> > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely weaned off the

> > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out thinking I

didn't

> > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just wanted to get rid

of

> > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is still here. I

think

> I

> > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow, he can't get his

> > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until June 2.

> > >

> > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression and despair had

> > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into uncontrollable tears,

> he

> > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had 'deer in the

> > headlights' about the job hunt and other financial stress we're

> > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house or the bank is

> going

> > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a controlled substance, the

> doc

> > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I called the

pharmacist

> > who told me she could fill part of the script to tide him over

> until

> > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview June 1) but that

> it

> > would invalidate the rest of that script and we'd have to pay

out

> of

> > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we filled. However,

> on

> > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long script. He takes

> > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since he wasn't up at

> 5AM

> > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on 20 mg and skip

the

> > weekend. So, last night I picked up 7 pills (for $35!).

> > >

> > > Oh the other thing was that for the past 3 days, he's had a

> > killer headache upon awakening that abated during the day, but

> never

> > went away. This AM, he took the 20mg Adderall and within an

hour,

> > felt like a new person. The headache was gone and he was

focused

> > and able to look at all our stressors and obstacles without

> > crumbling. He's accomplished more in 4 hours this AM than he

has

> in

> > the past 4 days.

> > >

> > > I'm not saying everyone who is suffering from depression has

> > ADD, but could you imagine if he were properly diagnosed in

> > adolescence or even early adulthood (forget childhood--we're 49

> and

> > I'm pretty sure docs barely knew what it was back then)?? I'll

> bet

> > he would have been a lot more successful in school, his career

and

> > happier with life and less prone to depression.

> > >

> > > I think depression is so often diagnosed at a catch-all when

> the

> > docs really don't want to take the time to get at the root of

the

> > issue.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I think you make some good points.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this might be a bit off topic but.....

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband was diagnosed about 6 months ago

> > with pretty

> > severe

> > > > ADD (about 15 hours of testing so it wasn't just

> > some fly-by-

> > night

> > > > diagnosis). We had him tested because after my

> > middle son was

> > > > diagnosed ADHD, I realized many of the same

> > symptoms were

> > > manifested

> > > > in my husband. In fact, I started to become

> > convinced, the more

> > I

> > > > read about ADD and adults, that it could have

> > been an important

> > > > underlying factor that led to his depression and

> > ultimately the

> > > > Prozac/Wellbutrin/Klonopin cocktail he was on.

> > > > >

> > > > > He's had a very spotty career record (adding

> > to his feelings

> > > of

> > > > failure). He had a business that failed. I

> > think many of the

> > > > reasons he didn't succeed were ADD related. He

> > went on Adderall

> > > in

> > > > early February and it wasn't until early March

> > that they finally

> > > > found the right dose. But he had started a job

> > in January that

> > was

> > > a

> > > > pressure cooker and not-so-healthy atmosphere in

> > itself and I

> > > think

> > > > by the time he was feeling the full positive

> > effects of the

> > > > medication and deriving benefits from therapy

> > too, he had

> > already

> > > > signed his death warrant over there. He was let

> > go the beginning

> > > of

> > > > May. Initially this was a good thing as he

> > looked like walking

> > > death

> > > > from the stress and lack of sleep, etc. But

> > eventually, the

> > > > feelings of failure caught up with him and he

> > started to show

> > > signs

> > > > of depression again. But amazingly, he was

> > keeping his eyes on

> > the

> > > > road ahead and making the best of it, and going

> > at his job hunt

> > > with

> > > > a purpose. He didn't just want to curl up and

> > withdraw from

> > > > > reality as he had in the past.

> > > > >

> > > > > But.......last Saturday, for some reason, he

> > ran out of

> > > > Adderall. We can't figure out why unless I, in a

> > fit of cleaning

> > > > zeal, tossed them accidentally. He's completely

> > weaned off the

> > > > Prozac and I remember throwing half a bottle out

> > thinking I

> > didn't

> > > > want the kids to get ahold of them and I just

> > wanted to get rid

> > of

> > > > them. But inexplicably, that half a bottle is

> > still here. I

> > think

> > > I

> > > > might have tossed the Adderall instead! Sonow,

> > he can't get his

> > > > Adderall filled (paid for by insurance) until

> > June 2.

> > > > >

> > > > > By last night, he was a MESS and depression

> > and despair had

> > > > overwhelmed him. He was breaking down into

> > uncontrollable tears,

> > > he

> > > > could barely drag himself out of bed; he had

> > 'deer in the

> > > > headlights' about the job hunt and other

> > financial stress we're

> > > > under (we have about 60 days to sell our house

> > or the bank is

> > > going

> > > > to take it), etc. Since Adderall is a

> > controlled substance, the

> > > doc

> > > > could do nothing. Finally, in frustration, I

> > called the

> > pharmacist

> > > > who told me she could fill part of the script to

> > tide him over

> > > until

> > > > June 2 (especially since he has a job interview

> > June 1) but that

> > > it

> > > > would invalidate the rest of that script and

> > we'd have to pay

> > out

> > > of

> > > > pocket for any portion of the 60 pill script we

> > filled. However,

> > > on

> > > > June 2, the doc could write a new month-long

> > script. He takes

> > > > 20mg/twice a day (40mg total). I figured, since

> > he wasn't up at

> > > 5AM

> > > > anymore and working until 7, he could get by on

> > 20 mg and skip

> > the

> >

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