Re: Over 100 million prescriptions!

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If you mean gene therapy, then that's a long way off. I'd guess at least 25-30 years away at least. Most people overestimate progress in the short term, but underestimate it in the long term. It's probably because of the exponential nature of technological progress. If you plot progress on a graph, at the beginning it looks flat, but once it reaches the inflection point, things start to change rapidly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change).

Right now we are still on the flat part of the curve in terms of gene therapy and understanding the brain. This may spound far-fetched, but some people believe that in the middle of this century we may hit the "technological singularity" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity) and then everything will start to change extremely quickly.

BTW, I don't think there's anything inherently evil about reuptake inhibitors. I don't see much difference between blocking the reuptake of a neurotranmitter (SSRIs) and blocking it's degradation (MAOIs). The problem is in the "selectivity" of SSRIs - they only work on serotonin, whereas MAOIs for example, work on all three of the major neurotransmitters.

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> > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for worldwide > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many people use > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side effects. > > So Oprah might be interested. > > > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then warned > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and give > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and PSSD? > > > > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah Winfrey > > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig, sunglasses and > > voice scrambling. It could also be a doctor who tells about his > > patients and about research on SSRI's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Never miss an email again!> Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.>

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Um, idk about anyone else, but I don't want them screwing with my genes. I don't want them screwing with anything ever again. EVER. You know how many cases of depression are treated with SSRIs when in truth there is no physical reason for the depression? I agree depression is a disease, but sadness isn't like a bacterial infection, and I don't believe you're supposed to be able to just cure it with a pill, it's a necessary part of life. Besides, at what point are neuro-chemicals and the other physical things they attribute depression to the cause instead of simply the resulting effect of the person's depression? I honestly think most cases of depression have no or very little physical basis, it is mental, it what you've trained your mind to feel, think over and over, and the way you've taught it to view yourself and the world, and with time that can be undone in a safe manner without screwing with (and

permanently damaging) the body. Maybe we aren't supposed to get how everything works and maybe messing with things we should have just left alone in the first place is why all of us are so miserable with PSSD. I agree that some of us are probably more biologically inclined to depression than others, but thats our burden, and it could be worst. You don't need pills or anything else to cure depression or anxiety. We think we're F*d up now, let them screw with our genes directly and we're asking for something so much worst. Besides, it would take a hundred-thousand scientists a hundred-thousand computers and several hundred years to break every aspect of the human genetic code, if that, thank goodness.sakasa wrote: I was

thinking of a complitely different aproach to the problem.Its more than obvious that Reuptake Ihibitors screw up things. and TRI's will probably do too. I'm thinking can't they go straight for the human gene,fix the problem and don't affect anything else.I'm sure its hard! But I'm also sure it can be done! "Vornan-19 (moderator)" wrote: "Triple Reuptake Ihibitors" (TRI's) are supposed to be the next bigthing:http://www.drugresearcher.com/news/ng.asp?id=61172-antidepressant-glaxosmithkline-merckhttp://www.biopsychiatry.com/antidepressants/triple.htmlGod knows whether they will be safe or have fewer sexual side effects(or help to reverse PSSD)...Vornan> The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for worldwide > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many people use > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side effects. > So Oprah might be interested. > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then warned > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and give

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It all seems very dangerous to me, but perhaps I'm just paranoid."Vornan-19 (moderator)" wrote: If you mean gene therapy, then that's a long way off. I'd guess at least 25-30 years away at least. Most people overestimate progress in the short term, but underestimate it in the long term. It's probably because of the exponential nature of technological progress. If you plot progress on a graph, at the beginning it looks flat, but once it reaches the inflection point, things start to change rapidly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change). Right now we are still on the flat part of the curve in terms of gene therapy and understanding the brain. This may spound far-fetched, but some people believe

that in the middle of this century we may hit the "technological singularity" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity) and then everything will start to change extremely quickly. BTW, I don't think there's anything inherently evil about reuptake inhibitors. I don't see much difference between blocking the reuptake of a neurotranmitter (SSRIs) and blocking it's degradation (MAOIs). The problem is in the "selectivity" of SSRIs - they only work on serotonin, whereas MAOIs for example, work on all three of the major neurotransmitters. Vornan > > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for worldwide > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many people use > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side effects. > > So Oprah might be interested. > > > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then warned > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and give > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and PSSD? > > > > Is anybody

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I agree it is dangerous. But also, probably inevitable. I believe

that we will either vastly improve the world with technology, or

destroy ourselves. I can see it going either way.

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> > > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for

worldwide

> > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many

people use

> > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side

effects.

> > > So Oprah might be interested.

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> > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then

warned

> > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and

give

> > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and

PSSD?

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> > > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah

Winfrey

> > > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig,

sunglasses and

> > > voice scrambling. It could also be a doctor who tells about his

> > > patients and about research on SSRI's.

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Yeah, I definitely don't want any scientists attempting to mess

around with my genetics. As for the triple reuptake inhibitors, I

can't see anything positive coming from them. We still have no

technology to measure any type of chemical imbalance of the three

neurotransmitters these are designed to " fix " . You cannot manipulate

these three neurotransmitters in the brain without the brain fighting

back and becoming chemically imbalanced.

The side effects and withdrawals for drugs that manipulate two

neurotransmitters like the SNRI / SSNRIs are much worse than regular

SSRIs. In fact, I believe if people take these TRIs, they are going

to have worse side effects than people taking antipsychotics and

anticonvsulants and get PTSD. (Post TRI Sexual Dysfunction instead

of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder though).

Until the technology that proves (disproves?) the chemical imbalance

theory, I'd avoid these TRIs like the plague.

> > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for worldwide

> > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many people

use

> > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side

effects.

> > So Oprah might be interested.

> >

> > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then

warned

> > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and

give

> > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and PSSD?

> >

> > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah

Winfrey

> > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig, sunglasses

and

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> > patients and about research on SSRI's.

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I don't think it's technology per se that is the danger, but rather, human hubris and greed. Properly applied, science is wonderful. I have no doubt that we will achieve total understanding and control of biological systems. But to apply that knowledge prematurely, and for short-term profit - that is the danger, and that is why people suffer at the hands of technology. History repeats itself.

Vornan

> > > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for worldwide > > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many people > use > > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side > effects. > > > So Oprah might be interested. > > > > > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then > warned > > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and > give > > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and PSSD? > > > > > > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah > Winfrey > > > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig, sunglasses > and > > > voice scrambling. It could also be a doctor who tells about his > > > patients and about research on SSRI's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever > you're surfing.> > >> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Never miss an email again!> > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it > out. > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from > someone who knows.> > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.> >>

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I never claimed that TRIs would safe, or be the answer.

Vornan

> > > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for

worldwide

> > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many

people

> use

> > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side

> effects.

> > > So Oprah might be interested.

> > >

> > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then

> warned

> > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and

> give

> > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and

PSSD?

> > >

> > > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah

> Winfrey

> > > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig,

sunglasses

> and

> > > voice scrambling. It could also be a doctor who tells about his

> > > patients and about research on SSRI's.

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We don't even know what's wrong with us. If we were actually able to pin point what is being changed to account for these problems, it would be a huge break through, all we have are theories, and it's very frustrating trying to fix something in a circumstance where we really don't know what specifically is broken, we only know the results of what is broken.

I agree it is dangerous. But also, probably inevitable. I believe

that we will either vastly improve the world with technology, or

destroy ourselves. I can see it going either way.

Vornan

> > > The Oprah Winfrey show would be the perfect medium for

worldwide

> > > publication of PSSD. PSSD is a shocking newsfact and many

people use

> > > SSRI's or other psycho medication that can cause sexual side

effects.

> > > So Oprah might be interested.

> > >

> > > About ten? years ago Breggin was in her show and he then

warned

> > > for the risks of SSRI's. So maybe he could come again there and

give

> > > the latest information on depression treatment, SSRI's and

PSSD?

> > >

> > > Is anybody here prepared to step forward and tell in the Oprah

Winfrey

> > > show about PSSD? You might possibly want to use a wig,

sunglasses and

> > > voice scrambling. It could also be a doctor who tells about his

> > > patients and about research on SSRI's.

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