Re: Hospital trying to require MMR

[Guest guest]

At 04:27 PM 2/23/2011, you wrote:

So my husband is going to open a

medical fitness facility in Arkansas with

a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim that he

needs

to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one. She

claimed

it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my

French). Is there a way

that you know of to prove it false?

It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or they are

fired.

Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an

employee? I guess he could say forget it and see what they

say.

But I'd first ask them to show him the law

But better to know now before he gets much further with this

Sheri

[Guest guest]

He has already been hired and his first day is March 7. He isn't even working in

the hospital proper- he will be the director of a fitness/rehab center with spa,

cafe, etc. It's not even on hospital grounds.

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> >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in Arkansas with

> >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> >that he needs

> >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> >She claimed

> >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> >there a way

> >that you know of to prove it false?

> >

>

> It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

>

> Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or they are fired.

>

> Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

>

> But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> Sheri

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[Guest guest]

well, that's how they are - working for a hospital you open yourself

to all sorts of their demands.

But if she thinks its the state law he can ask her to show him the law.

Stall, stall, stall? Maybe they will forget?

Sheri

>He has already been hired and his first day is March 7. He isn't

>even working in the hospital proper- he will be the director of a

>fitness/rehab center with spa, cafe, etc. It's not even on hospital grounds.

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> > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in Arkansas with

> > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > >that he needs

> > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> > >She claimed

> > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > >there a way

> > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > >

> >

> > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> >

> > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> they are fired.

> >

> > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> >

> > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Our hospitals allow titers to evidence sufficient immunity. fwiw, in the early

2000s MMR began to be 'required' for annual employee screening. One coworker

awoke the next day w disabling arthritis and was unable to work for 6m as a

surgeon. He saw the MMR connection for sure but could not get the bigger vaccine

picture. He was back in OR in approx 6m. Within a year he had a label of

leukemia and died within 2y of that MMR. Three other coworkers, all middle aged,

also experienced arthritis as an immediate response i.e. wihin 24h of the MMR

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> > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in Arkansas

with

> > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > >that he needs

> > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> > > >She claimed

> > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > >there a way

> > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > >

> > >

> > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > >

> > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > they are fired.

> > >

> > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > >

> > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

rubella vaccine is NOTORIOUS for causing arthritis (as is Rubella in some)

how tragic

Sheri

At 04:12 AM 2/24/2011, you wrote:

>Our hospitals allow titers to evidence sufficient immunity. fwiw, in

>the early 2000s MMR began to be 'required' for annual employee

>screening. One coworker awoke the next day w disabling arthritis and

>was unable to work for 6m as a surgeon. He saw the MMR connection

>for sure but could not get the bigger vaccine picture. He was back

>in OR in approx 6m. Within a year he had a label of leukemia and

>died within 2y of that MMR. Three other coworkers, all middle aged,

>also experienced arthritis as an immediate response i.e. wihin 24h

>of the MMR

>

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> > > >

> > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in

> Arkansas with

> > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > >that he needs

> > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> > > > >She claimed

> > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > > >there a way

> > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > >

> > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > they are fired.

> > > >

> > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > >

> > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Good news- My husband just wrote to say that the nurse agreed that since he will

not be working in the hospital proper with patients, he is not required to get

it. She admitted that it is not " Arkansas Law " but simply " hospital policy "

based on CDC recommendations. Whew. Bazooka re-holstered;)

Thanks for your help, friends.

carrie

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> > > >

> > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in Arkansas

with

> > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > >that he needs

> > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> > > > >She claimed

> > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > > >there a way

> > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > >

> > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > they are fired.

> > > >

> > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > >

> > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > Sheri

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

GREAT

We have to stand up to them and he did

Great news

Sheri

At 12:00 PM 2/24/2011, you wrote:

>Good news- My husband just wrote to say that the nurse agreed that

>since he will not be working in the hospital proper with patients,

>he is not required to get it. She admitted that it is not " Arkansas

>Law " but simply " hospital policy " based on CDC recommendations.

>Whew. Bazooka re-holstered;)

>Thanks for your help, friends.

>carrie

>

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> > > > >

> > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility

> in Arkansas with

> > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > > >that he needs

> > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.

> > > > > >She claimed

> > > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > > > >there a way

> > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > > >

> > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > > they are fired.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Whoops, I spoke too soon, Sheri. So wasn't entirely honest with me:( He

knew I was about to lose it. They will allow titers or shot records(which he

can't find). How likely is it that he will still show antibodies from childhood

immunizations??

And more importantly, I find this wrong on principle. How far has anyone

challenged these immunization requirements for health care workers in the

courts? Someone needs to take it to the highest level, although with what we saw

with SCOTUS this week, I don't even know if that would be fruitful.

I wrote my husband's college and high school to see if there are any records

there, and he has an appointment in the morning to have his titers checked.

Sigh. I am beyond stressed over this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility

> > in Arkansas with

> > > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > > > >that he needs

> > > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get

one.

> > > > > > >She claimed

> > > > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > > > > >there a way

> > > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > > > they are fired.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Have there even been any " safety studies " done on MMR in adults, since it's

really a pediatric shot? And do you think any of our DAN and DAN-minded MDs

would be willing to sign on on a medical exemption letter for my husband based

on the fact that our son's doc will say that our son had encephalitis from it,

plus has a personal and familial history of inflammation & autoimmunity?

Many Thanks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in

> > > Arkansas with

> > > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > > > >that he needs

> > > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get

one.

> > > > > > >She claimed

> > > > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is

> > > > > > >there a way

> > > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > > > they are fired.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

can he get a religious exemption? (your spouse)

To: EOHarm Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 3:32:57 PMSubject: Re: Hospital trying to require MMR

Have there even been any "safety studies" done on MMR in adults, since it's really a pediatric shot? And do you think any of our DAN and DAN-minded MDs would be willing to sign on on a medical exemption letter for my husband based on the fact that our son's doc will say that our son had encephalitis from it, plus has a personal and familial history of inflammation & autoimmunity?Many Thanks!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in > > > Arkansas with> > > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim> > > > > > >that he needs> > > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get one.> > > > >

> >She claimed> > > > > > >it is "Arkansas Law". I know that's bullshit(forgive my French). Is> > > > > > >there a way> > > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law> > > > > >> > > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or> > > > > they are fired.> > > > > >> > > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I> > > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.> > > > > >> > > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law> > > > > > But better to know now

before he gets much further with this> > > > > > Sheri> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >------------------------------------> > > > >> > > > >

[Guest guest]

ask your DAN doctor

they barely did safety studies on children.

Can your husband say he is allergic to eggs - those allergic to eggs

should not get MMR

Sheri

At 10:32 AM 2/25/2011, you wrote:

>Have there even been any " safety studies " done on MMR in adults,

>since it's really a pediatric shot? And do you think any of our DAN

>and DAN-minded MDs would be willing to sign on on a medical

>exemption letter for my husband based on the fact that our son's doc

>will say that our son had encephalitis from it, plus has a

>personal and familial history of inflammation & autoimmunity?

>

>Many Thanks!

>

>

>

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in

> > > > Arkansas with

> > > > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse

> tried to claim

> > > > > > > >that he needs

> > > > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he

> must get one.

> > > > > > > >She claimed

> > > > > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive

> my French). Is

> > > > > > > >there a way

> > > > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > > > > they are fired.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an

> employee? I

> > > > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

No exemptions allowed except " valid " medical exemptions(which I believe would be

the ones listed by Merck, ACIP and CDC), even though the MMR contains aborted

fetal cell lines and this is a " Christian " hospital and state in their policies

that they strive to be Christ-like. What Would Jesus Do, INDEED.

And Sheri, they say a claim of allergy must be documented.

At this point I'd be willing to bribe a lab worker;) LOL -Although that should

not be necessary. Last I checked my husband did not sign up to be in the

military and we do not live in a Communist country.

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >So my husband is going to open a medical fitness facility in

> > > > Arkansas with

> > > > > > > >a hospital there and the occupational health nurse tried to claim

> > > > > > > >that he needs

> > > > > > > >to show proof of an MMR within the last 20 years or he must get

> one.

> > > > > > > >She claimed

> > > > > > > >it is " Arkansas Law " . I know that's bullshit(forgive my French).

Is

> > > > > > > >there a way

> > > > > > > >that you know of to prove it false?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not Arkansas law -make her show him the law

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hospitals have policies that they can enforce for employees or

> > > > > > they are fired.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not sure what would happen in this situation. Is he an employee? I

> > > > > > > guess he could say forget it and see what they say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I'd first ask them to show him the law

> > > > > > > But better to know now before he gets much further with this

> > > > > > > Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Yup, happened to ME! UGH!

I was 21 years old when I gave birth to my son, didn't have a vaccine since I was a kid and they PUSHED it on me after I gave birth, I didn't like needles and I didn't really want the damn shot, the nurse was so persistent, I was exhausted after giving birth, getting ready to leave the hospital with my son & my husband went to sign me out, I wish he was there in the room with me at that time because he would have been much more vocal about with the nurse. I even told the nurse I was going to start nursing at home, she told me it was fine, not a problem, it was be safe! She then jabbed the freaking needle in my arm and I haven't been the same since! How the hell was that allowed is beyond me, I would love to sue the crap out of that hospital!

I am PISSED! My health has been taken from me, little by little, I have fallen apart, that was December 1996, I'm now 36 years old and feel MUCH OLDER than I am! That freaking MMR did me IN!

I had a reaction right away, swollen glands, fever, sore throat, obviously passed it on to my son through the breast milk by the time he was 5 days old, he was running a 103 fever and I was freaking out that he was apparently "sick" already and his fever was so high! I NEVER connected it with my MMR shot until YEARS LATER while doing vaccine/autism research, then I was really pissed off!

The anxiety attacks started 2 months after I received the vaccine and I had NO idea what was going on, I didn't know they were anxiety attacks, felt like I was having a damn heart attack!

I was in the ER at least three times in one month and it wasn't until I found a great Neurologist in December 1997, I was put on Zoloft and told it was Anxiety Attacks, after two to three months I felt myself again, thank goodness!

Then both of my wrists were also killing me around 4 months later and I did NOTHING to strain them, achy, couldn't lift my son easily, did it but was very painful, I was wearing two ace bandages for over a month on both wrists to relieve the pressure.

Thyroid levels started going wacko a few years later and now, I'm hyperthyroid, with 2 nodules that are growing, everyday fatigue, body aches, insomnia, hormones are all out of wack, vision getting worse, hair thinning, also was diagnosed now with PCOS, I feel like a wreck!

I would NEVER recommend anyone getting that shot, NO ONE!

That shot took my health away and pushed my son into Autism!

I'm so happy that I NEVER gave him the second MMR or I would have a child that is very low functioning today!

Thank you Dr. Wakefield for that!

THE MMR SHOT SUCKS!

Sorry about the rant but I'm pissed! Especially since I was told it was "safe", I was 21, a bit naive and trusted nurses and Doctor's completely, not anymore!

Vicki, 's Mom 14 years old, HFA/Vaccine Injured

Rubella vaccine is also the one, they love to give to Mom's after giving birth! I freaked when they offered that one, and said I am nursing my child, and I don't think its safe to pass on to a newborn

[Guest guest]

Some states do require by statute that healthcare employees be vaccinated; the

CDC website lists that information. When states don't require this, the employer

can require vaccines as a policy matter, unless there is a contractual

relationship that would prevent them from doing that, as was the case in WA

state in recent years when nurses won a fed court case against the hospital.

So far, I know of only 1 state that has a statutory exemption for employees

(land). If there is not a statutory exemption, there is federal law the

requires qualifying employers to " reasonably accommodate " their employees'

religious beliefs and practices, so employees can refuse on those grounds. What

qualifies for a religious belief is broad, but there are pitfalls, so it's best

to approach employee exemptions under this federal law (Title VII of the 1964

Civil Rights Act) with the assistance of an attorney experienced in this arena,

as many who have tried this on their own have failed. There's more information

about this at www.vaccinerights.com and in the e-book available there, and I

have worked with many healthcare professionals around the country on this with a

high success rate.

Intended as general information only and not as legal advice.

Alan , JD

www.vaccinerights.com

www.pandemicresponseproject.com

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> Our hospitals allow titers to evidence sufficient immunity. fwiw, in the early

2000s MMR began to be 'required' for annual employee screening. One coworker

awoke the next day w disabling arthritis and was unable to work for 6m as a

surgeon. He saw the MMR connection for sure but could not get the bigger vaccine

picture. He was back in OR in approx 6m. Within a year he had a label of

leukemia and died within 2y of that MMR. Three other coworkers, all middle aged,

also experienced arthritis as an immediate response i.e. wihin 24h of the MMR

[Guest guest]

I am POSITIVE that they are " misstating " the policy. Very few hospitals actually

have requirements - especially for employees without patient contact.

Has he innocently asked for a copy of the policy? From HR?

No need to respond back.

>

> Whoops, I spoke too soon, Sheri. So wasn't entirely honest with me:( He

knew I was about to lose it. They will allow titers or shot records(which he

can't find). How likely is it that he will still show antibodies from childhood

immunizations??

> And more importantly, I find this wrong on principle. How far has anyone

challenged these immunization requirements for health care workers in the

courts? Someone needs to take it to the highest level, although with what we saw

with SCOTUS this week, I don't even know if that would be fruitful.

> I wrote my husband's college and high school to see if there are any records

there, and he has an appointment in the morning to have his titers checked.

> Sigh. I am beyond stressed over this.

>

[Guest guest]

Here's how you document your reaction. Go to the doctor. Tell them that the

last time you had a jab your throat and tongue swelled. Was it the egg? The dr

writes it down in the chart.

>

> No exemptions allowed except " valid " medical exemptions(which I believe would

be the ones listed by Merck, ACIP and CDC), even though the MMR contains aborted

fetal cell lines and this is a " Christian " hospital and state in their policies

that they strive to be Christ-like. What Would Jesus Do, INDEED.

> And Sheri, they say a claim of allergy must be documented...

[Guest guest]

Quite the contrary. Since the " pandemic " , hospitals around the country have been

implementing policy requiring flu, and sometimes additional disease, vaccines

not previously required. This is not merely an attempt to increase vaccine

coverage and sales. One reason that WA State nurse won a case against a hospital

in federal court over flu vaccines was because at the time, there was no

widespread policy for flu shots, so the contractual agreement between the nurses

and the hospital that required employment terms to be negotiated won out. But

once this becomes widespread policy, the hospitals may be able to win even

though the contract says otherwise. It's quite a disturbing thought. In states

where there is no union or otherwise some kind of formal contract requiring

employment terms to be negotiated (probably most states), hospitals can require

vaccines as a policy matter whenever they want to, as far as I know.

Alan , JD

www.vaccinerights.com

www.pandemicresponseproject.com

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[Guest guest]

I've worked with nurses and other hospital employees in greater numbers in the

past few months--hospitals around the country are implementing vaccine

requirements for all employees, patient contact or not. Some of my clients have

worked in departments or even separate buildings from those with patients (i.e.,

have no patient contact) but the policy is the same for all employees--vaccinate

or terminate (which suggests a financial incentive for maximum coverage, doesn't

it?). The specifics of the policies varies from institution to institution; some

don't recognize non-medical exemptions at all (and some reject some medical

exemption claims), some recognize religious exemptions but require more than the

law allows (e.g., letter from church official), and some have more liberal

policies and only scrutinize the applicant's stated beliefs. Even the best

situation has pitfalls, though, so it's wise to approach these carefully and

fully informed about what does and doesn't qualify for a religious belief, and

why.

Alan , JD

www.vaccinerights.com

www.pandemicresponseproject.com

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> I am POSITIVE that they are " misstating " the policy. Very few hospitals

actually have requirements - especially for employees without patient contact.

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