Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Ask for a special bus. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400To: <Multiples-DS >Subject: bus school behavior Hi All - Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.com Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed. I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had. Thanks, Granata Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Sorry, hit the send key too soon. We can have a special bus sent out to the house for Davey. The price of gas makes them think twice. Also, what about an aide on the bus? It is the girls right to get the transportation. Keep us posted. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400To: <Multiples-DS >Subject: bus school behavior Hi All - Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.com Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed. I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had. Thanks, Granata Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 both our girls with DS ride the special needs bus to and from school. there is the driver and a Aide and around 9 students on there. They should be on a special needs bus both ways...no question asked!!!! they are eligible for this both ways...dont let them pull one over on ya!!! Rita Wife to wonderful Hubby for 19 yrsMom to Lyndsey, homegrown twin- 18yrs , homegrown twin - 18yrs Giovanna GRACE, Guatemala, DS - 6 yrsla JOY, Colombia, DS - 6 yrsLilyanna HOPE, Colombia - 4 yrsIsabella FAITH, domestic/ INDIA 3 yrs Family blog site with pictures:http://andrewscrew.blogspot.com/ To: Multiples-DS From: justelou@...Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:51:40 +0000Subject: Re: bus & school behavior Sorry, hit the send key too soon. We can have a special bus sent out to the house for Davey. The price of gas makes them think twice. Also, what about an aide on the bus? It is the girls right to get the transportation. Keep us posted. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T From: Granata <juliesurecode>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400To: <Multiples-DS >Subject: bus school behavior Hi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hi , Oh boy are you where I was at a year ago. Okay, here’s what I learned. If a child with an IEP exhibits a behavior that endangers self or others then they must determine if the child’s disability is contributing to the behavior by conducting a Functional Analysis Assessment. This is an assessment where they have to take a minimum of three full days worth of A (antecedent: what happens before the behavior) B (behavior) and C (consequence: what happens after the behavior) data. They need to determine the function of the behavior (communication: frustration, anger, pain). Then they have to write a behavior plan for how this behavior is going to be addressed, replaced, and extinguished. Our children often have communication disabilities that are the function of the behavior. Haley needs a social goal to facilitate social communication, scripted dialog and someone to implement the social goal. This way instead of scratching to gain attention she learns to say “Hi, play?” Then that sentence gets expanded over time. This can be done with picture exchange and gestures or sign too. As far as the bus it is up to you if you want the special bus or the regular bus. Opinions differ on this… but on either bus you should be able to get a behavior aide to ride along and implement the behavior plan. So magic words (in writing) are, “I would like an FAA, please.” If they try to offer you an FBA (Functional Behavior Assessment) this is a lower level assessment that can be done without the observation and data capturing. You probably don’t want this because they wouldn’t have to ride on the bus with Haley to write this plan. If transportation is written into the IEP then the VP can not take it away without you agreeing to a change in services in writing. So your letter might want to state “parents do not agree to any transportation changes.” If the one-on-one does not have behavior training then you will want to request this also. And if the aide has to be trained then you go to training to and let the school pick that up for “generalizing across environments.” Hope this helps – let me know if you need more! Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS) From: Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ] On Behalf Of Granata Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: Multiples-DS Subject: bus & school behavior Hi All - Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.com Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed. I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had. Thanks, Granata Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008  , This is a complex one, we had a stop made for Zack to be picked up on the regular bus route years ago. When an IEP is the reason for a stop I always heard there is an aid, to help w/ safety, transitioning, and behavior. Zack was never "bad" just goofy and that aid redirected him. Your girls are entitled to busing I belive it's the law. We have a FBA fuctional behavior assessment, here inFL that's the biggie, lots of data gathering, surveys, hypothesis, solutions across all the school day and bus. It has to be implemented and followed and readressed often. With proper implementation alot of behaviors can be extinquished. Your girls are young so you are in for the long haul, stick with it. We choose to remove the crazy "bus" time from Zack's day and we have been bringing all 3 kids in the morning for years but it is on my way to work, so whatever works for your family is what you should pursue. Good luck, Irene bus school behavior Hi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Gosh Suze,What a great response. Hope all is well.Hi , Oh boy are you where I was at a year ago. Okay, here’s what I learned. If a child with an IEP exhibits a behavior that endangers self or others then they must determine if the child’s disability is contributing to the behavior by conducting a Functional Analysis Assessment. This is an assessment where they have to take a minimum of three full days worth of A (antecedent: what happens before the behavior) B (behavior) and C (consequence: what happens after the behavior) data. They need to determine the function of the behavior (communication: frustration, anger, pain). Then they have to write a behavior plan for how this behavior is going to be addressed, replaced, and extinguished. Our children often have communication disabilities that are the function of the behavior. Haley needs a social goal to facilitate social communication, scripted dialog and someone to implement the social goal. This way instead of scratching to gain attention she learns to say “Hi, play?” Then that sentence gets expanded over time. This can be done with picture exchange and gestures or sign too. As far as the bus it is up to you if you want the special bus or the regular bus. Opinions differ on this… but on either bus you should be able to get a behavior aide to ride along and implement the behavior plan. So magic words (in writing) are, “I would like an FAA, please.” If they try to offer you an FBA (Functional Behavior Assessment) this is a lower level assessment that can be done without the observation and data capturing. You probably don’t want this because they wouldn’t have to ride on the bus with Haley to write this plan. If transportation is written into the IEP then the VP can not take it away without you agreeing to a change in services in writing. So your letter might want to state “parents do not agree to any transportation changes.” If the one-on-one does not have behavior training then you will want to request this also. And if the aide has to be trained then you go to training to and let the school pick that up for “generalizing across environments.” Hope this helps – let me know if you need more! Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS) From: Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ]On Behalf Of GranataSent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:00 AMTo: Multiples-DS Subject: bus & school behavior Hi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr sonNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PMNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I just wrote a long response, but it somehow got deleted, and I desperately need to prepare for a meeting early in the AM... so let me at least summarize now: Wait before proposing the "special" van. In towns around me, they dump all the kids with special needs or behavior issues on the vans -- and so how would I expect my daughter to learn typical bus behavior when she's surrounded by kids who aren't behaving "appropriately"? It's critical that your girls learn to behave appropriately on the bus -- what's going to happen when they get invited to a playdate or birthday party which requires them to ride another, typical bus? Transportation is considered a related services (like OT or SLP), as it enables your daughter to benefit from special education, so it's your school's responsiblity to give them the tools and other supports they need to be successful. My guess is that there's a good explanation for the behavior -- perhaps the other kids are ignoring them, so they're trying to get attention (and throwing orthotics is a good way to accomplish that!). We've run the gamut of behavioral issues on the bus (hair pulling, spitting, cursing, opening windows, standing on seats, etc.), and it's amazing how things suddenly work themselves out when my daughter has a friend to sit with. Social stories can also be helpful to teach "appropriate" bus behavior. But remember that it's not your daughters' responsibilities to navigate the bus situation but rather the responsibility of the people around them -- the bus driver, other riders, PPT team, etc. -- to enable them to be successful. I'll try to write more tomorrow... Sheryl Knapp Literacy Advocates 10 Wall Street Norwalk, CT 06850 www.literacyadvocates.com Norwalk Ridgefield Fax bus school behavior Hi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/ socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/ socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/ help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Thanks Irene - I spoke with the VP yesterday. She actually was upset to send the letter but was doing her job. We have FBAs, BIPs, etc. As a team, we actually exacerbated the situation by providing items for the girls to throw. The whole bus of kids were throwing the orthos, etc. back to the girls and the girls were throwing them again, so they were constantly being supplied so they could continue the throwing. When the driver asked them to stop, the twins just giggled. So today, they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks or anything to hug. (This was suggested by VP; course I was thinking that would be my next step anyway.) I will write a short response letter stating I don't agree with the suspension, describe probs/concerns, relate that the child's behavior is a manifestation of their disability and cannot be disciplined in same manner as nondisabled kids (per slaw) and approp ed. svcs must be provided. We have a behavioralist thru school; the home behavioral plan requested 1:1 direct support and wasn't possible to do. We asked for an alternative home plan that was customized to our1:3 staffing ratio. Didn't get one so the behaviors escalated to a degree that they are maniacs now the first few weeks into school. It seems like the school's heart is in the right place; this is an opportunity for me to advocate a little bit to get some things in place - even upping the speech due to the communication delay (causing the scratching/pinching to gain attention), etc., etc. I could go on an on... Gotta get to school. So much going on.. Also - I used to drive them to school - lived in the van - and tired of it! Why should I do it if there is FAPE and I already do it for private therapies and extra-curricular activities. Girls deserve to be with neighborhood peers - seems like there are alot of kids of the bus that love them and want to help them. Ride is only 10 minutes. So I think this will work out ok with a little tweeking... Thanks for input, igercak wrote: > >  > > , > This is a complex one, we had a stop made for Zack to be picked up on > the regular > bus route years ago. When an IEP is the reason for a stop I always > heard there is > an aid, to help w/ safety, transitioning, and behavior. Zack was > never " bad " just goofy > and that aid redirected him. Your girls are entitled to busing I > belive it's the law. > We have a FBA fuctional behavior assessment, here inFL that's the > biggie, lots of > data gathering, surveys, hypothesis, solutions across all the school > day and bus. > It has to be implemented and followed and readressed often. With > proper implementation > alot of behaviors can be extinquished. > Your girls are young so you are in for the long haul, stick with it. > We choose to remove the > crazy " bus " time from Zack's day and we have been bringing all 3 kids > in the morning for years > but it is on my way to work, so whatever works for your family is what > you should pursue. > Good luck, Irene > > > * Re: bus & school behavior > > Ask for a special bus. > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From*: Granata > > *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400 > *To*: <Multiples-DS > <mailto:Multiples-DS >> > *Subject*: bus school behavior > > Hi All - > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be > trying > to do some research on slaw.com > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all > kids on > routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. > Hit two kids today with the items. > > A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication > log > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens > again. > Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus > for a set period of time. > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem > legal > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability > that is not being properly addressed. > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their > shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be > anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " > > Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will > make > the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for > 1:1 > supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar > with > her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and > explained a > little based on the few minutes I had. > > Thanks, > Granata > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and > , 4 > 1/2 yr son > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Keep us posted on how today goes!Thanks Irene - I spoke with the VP yesterday. She actually was upset to send the letter but was doing her job. We have FBAs, BIPs, etc. As a team, we actually exacerbated the situation by providing items for the girls to throw. The whole bus of kids were throwing the orthos, etc. back to the girls and the girls were throwing them again, so they were constantly being supplied so they could continue the throwing. When the driver asked them to stop, the twins just giggled. So today, they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks or anything to hug. (This was suggested by VP; course I was thinking that would be my next step anyway.) I will write a short response letter stating I don't agree with the suspension, describe probs/concerns, relate that the child's behavior is a manifestation of their disability and cannot be disciplined in same manner as nondisabled kids (per slaw) and approp ed. svcs must be provided. We have a behavioralist thru school; the home behavioral plan requested 1:1 direct support and wasn't possible to do. We asked for an alternative home plan that was customized to our1:3 staffing ratio. Didn't get one so the behaviors escalated to a degree that they are maniacs now the first few weeks into school. It seems like the school's heart is in the right place; this is an opportunity for me to advocate a little bit to get some things in place - even upping the speech due to the communication delay (causing the scratching/pinching to gain attention), etc., etc. I could go on an on... Gotta get to school. So much going on.. Also - I used to drive them to school - lived in the van - and tired of it! Why should I do it if there is FAPE and I already do it for private therapies and extra-curricular activities. Girls deserve to be with neighborhood peers - seems like there are alot of kids of the bus that love them and want to help them. Ride is only 10 minutes. So I think this will work out ok with a little tweeking... Thanks for input,igercak wrote:>> >> ,> This is a complex one, we had a stop made for Zack to be picked up on > the regular> bus route years ago. When an IEP is the reason for a stop I always > heard there is> an aid, to help w/ safety, transitioning, and behavior. Zack was > never "bad" just goofy> and that aid redirected him. Your girls are entitled to busing I > belive it's the law.> We have a FBA fuctional behavior assessment, here inFL that's the > biggie, lots of> data gathering, surveys, hypothesis, solutions across all the school > day and bus.> It has to be implemented and followed and readressed often. With > proper implementation> alot of behaviors can be extinquished.> Your girls are young so you are in for the long haul, stick with it. > We choose to remove the> crazy "bus" time from Zack's day and we have been bringing all 3 kids > in the morning for years> but it is on my way to work, so whatever works for your family is what > you should pursue.> Good luck, Irene> >> * Re: bus & school behavior>> Ask for a special bus.>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T>> ----------------------------------------------------------> *From*: Granata <juliesurecode <mailto:juliesurecode>>> *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400> *To*: <Multiples-DS > <mailto:Multiples-DS >>> *Subject*: bus school behavior>> Hi All ->> Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be> trying> to do some research on slaw.com>> Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all> kids on> routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and> throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep> them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have.> Hit two kids today with the items.>> A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral> concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication> log> also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get> her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens> again.> Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a> disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus> for a set period of time.>> I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem> legal> that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability> that is not being properly addressed.>> I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their> shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be> anything to throw to "cause another disruption.">> Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a> ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will> make> the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.>> FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for> 1:1> supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus> behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and> hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar> with> her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and> explained a> little based on the few minutes I had.>> Thanks,> Granata> Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and> , 4> 1/2 yr son>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008  , You sound like SPed Attorney, you're a great advocate, keep up the good work Your girls are lucky to have you, Irene * Re: bus & school behavior>> Ask for a special bus.>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T>> ----------------------------------------------------------> *From*: Granata <juliesurecode <mailto:juliesurecode>>> *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400> *To*: <Multiples-DS > <mailto:Multiples-DS >>> *Subject*: bus school behavior>> Hi All ->> Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be> trying> to do some research on slaw.com>> Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all> kids on> routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and> throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep> them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have.> Hit two kids today with the items.>> A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral> concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication> log> also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get> her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens> again.> Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a> disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus> for a set period of time.>> I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem> legal> that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability> that is not being properly addressed.>> I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their> shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be> anything to throw to "cause another disruption.">> Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a> ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will> make> the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.>> FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for> 1:1> supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus> behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and> hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar> with> her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and> explained a> little based on the few minutes I had.>> Thanks,> Granata> Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and> , 4> 1/2 yr son>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 By throwing the orthotics back to your girls, the other kids were not only "rearming" them but actually exacerbating the situation by "joining in" the "game". My daughter once bent a girls glasses, and the substitute aide bent them back and returned them to the girl; my daughter then bent them again and the process repeated, thus creating a "game" of this situation.... until, of course, the glasses broke from being bent so many times (and I had to pay to replace them). The team needs to put themselves in your daughters' heads, to the best of their ability, and make sure that they are responding not only by proving an incentive-based behavioral plan but also by addressing the precipitating conditions. Sheryl Sheryl Knapp Literacy Advocates 10 Wall Street Norwalk, CT 06850 www.literacyadvocates.com Norwalk Ridgefield Fax * Re: bus & school behavior>> Ask for a special bus.>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> *From*: Granata <juliesurecode (DOT) com <mailto:juliesurecode (DOT) com>>> *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400> *To*: <Multiples-DS@ yahoogroups. com> <mailto:Multiples-DS@ yahoogroups. com>>> *Subject*: bus school behavior>> Hi All ->> Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be> trying> to do some research on slaw.com>> Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all> kids on> routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/ socks and> throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep> them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have.> Hit two kids today with the items.>> A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral> concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication> log> also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get> her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens> again.> Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a> disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus> for a set period of time.>> I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem> legal> that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability> that is not being properly addressed.>> I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their> shoes/orthos/ socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be> anything to throw to "cause another disruption.">> Any thoughts/ideas/ help on the law will be great. I just don't have a> ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will> make> the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.>> FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for> 1:1> supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus> behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and> hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar> with> her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and> explained a> little based on the few minutes I had.>> Thanks,> Granata> Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and> , 4> 1/2 yr son>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 , I think you're on the right course, but I am curious about the other children on the bus. Aren't they part of the problem, too? If your daughters were not there to throw whatever, would these other children then sit like angels reading Harry Potter or maybe the Loudon County children's edition of the Wall Street Journal? It's not just the twins, it's elementary school exuberance, and youir daughters are caught up in it--perhaps because their busmates get to stir them up and then finger them as the troublemakers. (Wait till middle school, if you want to see some real school bus action.) Putting an aide on the bus for a couple of weeks (only!) might help. I quite agree that placing the girls on a separate bus is the very last resort, and I hope the school officials will agree. With our kind of kids, once the good behavior pattern is established, it's locked in. I hate to see our children exploited by their peers. I think as their circle of typical friends widens, the baiting will be extinguished. Will and have so many friends who have known them since elementary school that they are respected in high school. (But they continue to ride the special-ed bus, which stops outside our door.) Al Veerhoff, Kensington father of identical twins with DS bus & school behavior Hi All - Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.com Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have20a disability that is not being properly addressed. I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had. Thanks, Granata Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM See how Windo ws connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Thanks for your thoughts... I'm personally " done " with special needs buses... The special needs bus leaves at 6:50 am, before the sun rises, and drives around for an hour in the morning before it drops off at school. The regular bus leaves at 7:30 am and gets to school within 10 minutes. Why should the girls be expected to get up 40 minutes earlier, especially when it takes them longer to learn how to self-dress, etc. (than a typical kid), and sit on a bus for an hour each day - just because they have special needs? Why can't they ride a bus with their neighborhood peers and have these experiences like other kids? How will they ever learn to be on a regular bus if they are constantly segregated and have no one to model appropriate behavior? We crossed this bridge in April after years of me driving them to school. It only took a call to the Office of Civil Rights and a letter to the special ed dept. The LRE where they are placed in school is in a typical classroom with support, so the same is true for the bus. There are alot of kids on the typical bus that love them and want to help them succeed. It's getting tweeked out... Lots of emails to return... Need to see how today went... Will get back to you guys when I can... Rita A wrote: > > both our girls with DS ride the special needs bus to and from school. > there is the driver and a Aide and around 9 students on there. They > should be on a special needs bus both ways...no question asked!!!! > > they are eligible for this both ways...dont let them pull one over on > ya!!! > > > */Rita /* <http://andrewsfamilyadoption.spaces.live.com/>/ / > > Wife to wonderful Hubby for 19 yrs > Mom to > Lyndsey, homegrown twin- 18yrs > , homegrown twin - 18yrs > Giovanna *GRACE*, Guatemala, DS - 6 yrs > la *JOY*, Colombia, DS - 6 yrs > Lilyanna *HOPE*, Colombia - 4 yrs > Isabella *FAITH*, domestic/ INDIA 3 yrs > > > Family blog site with pictures: > http://andrewscrew.blogspot.com/ <http://andrewscrew.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To: Multiples-DS > From: justelou@... > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:51:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: bus & school behavior > > > Sorry, hit the send key too soon. > > We can have a special bus sent out to the house for Davey. The price > of gas makes them think twice. > > Also, what about an aide on the bus? > > It is the girls right to get the transportation. > Keep us posted. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From*: Granata > *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400 > *To*: <Multiples-DS > > *Subject*: bus school behavior > > > Hi All - > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying > to do some research on slaw.com > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on > routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. > Hit two kids today with the items. > > A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. > Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus > for a set period of time. > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability > that is not being properly addressed. > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their > shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be > anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " > > Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make > the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 > supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with > her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a > little based on the few minutes I had. > > Thanks, > Granata > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 > 1/2 yr son > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on > the go. See Now > <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 We lived in CA for 6 months last year. We had the same situation. We told the school is was not good for our son to be on the bus 4 hours a day. The school was only 15 miles from our home. We took Davey to school and picked him up. We were paid mileage by the school district. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: bus & school behavior > > > Sorry, hit the send key too soon. > > We can have a special bus sent out to the house for Davey. The price > of gas makes them think twice. > > Also, what about an aide on the bus? > > It is the girls right to get the transportation. > Keep us posted. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From*: Granata > *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400 > *To*: <Multiples-DS > > *Subject*: bus school behavior > > > Hi All - > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying > to do some research on slaw.com > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on > routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. > Hit two kids today with the items. > > A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. > Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus > for a set period of time. > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability > that is not being properly addressed. > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their > shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be > anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " > > Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make > the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 > supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with > her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a > little based on the few minutes I had. > > Thanks, > Granata > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 > 1/2 yr son > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on > the go. See Now > <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > ------------------------------------ More pictures of our kids: http://www.pbase.com/urriegrl/multiplesds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 We live in IL and I am fortunate to be an at home mom (that is not the case for everyone I understand). I can take our boys that are twins with DS to school. I am concerned mostly about things they can learn around other kids that they are taught to do and say! Our school also pays mileage. > > > > both our girls with DS ride the special needs bus to > and from school. > > there is the driver and a Aide and around 9 students > on there. They > > should be on a special needs bus both ways...no > question asked!!!! > > > > they are eligible for this both ways...dont let them > pull one over on > > ya!!! > > > > > > */Rita /* > <http://andrewsfamilyadoption.spaces.live.com/>/ / > > > > Wife to wonderful Hubby for 19 yrs > > Mom to > > Lyndsey, homegrown twin- 18yrs > > , homegrown twin - 18yrs > > Giovanna *GRACE*, Guatemala, DS - 6 yrs > > la *JOY*, Colombia, DS - 6 yrs > > Lilyanna *HOPE*, Colombia - 4 yrs > > Isabella *FAITH*, domestic/ INDIA 3 yrs > > > > > > Family blog site with pictures: > > http://andrewscrew.blogspot.com/ > <http://andrewscrew.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To: Multiples-DS > > From: justelou@... > > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:51:40 +0000 > > Subject: Re: bus & school behavior > > > > > > Sorry, hit the send key too soon. > > > > We can have a special bus sent out to the house for > Davey. The price > > of gas makes them think twice. > > > > Also, what about an aide on the bus? > > > > It is the girls right to get the transportation. > > Keep us posted. > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From*: Granata > > *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400 > > *To*: <Multiples-DS > > > *Subject*: bus school behavior > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - > will also be trying > > to do some research on slaw.com > > > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided > for all kids on > > routes. The girls are pulling off their > shoes/orthotics/socks and > > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or > soft toy to keep > > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these > too. They have. > > Hit two kids today with the items. > > > > A letter came home from school today " advising us > of behavioral > > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also > the communication log > > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching > a friend to get > > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if > it happens again. > > Re bus situation - letter says that any future > incidents that cause a > > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible > from riding bus > > for a set period of time. > > > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It > doesn't seem legal > > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they > have a disability > > that is not being properly addressed. > > > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they > don't have their > > shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then > there won't be > > anything to throw to " cause another > disruption. " > > > > Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I > just don't have a > > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my > emotions will make > > the situation worse unless I get a handle of > what's right, fair, etc. > > > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they > stay later for 1:1 > > supports. This is where they are supposed to be > addressed the bus > > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a > book at him and > > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was > he familiar with > > her disability? He didn't respond so I just > apologized and explained a > > little based on the few minutes I had. > > > > Thanks, > > Granata > > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls > both w/DS, and , 4 > > 1/2 yr son > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at > home, work, or on > > the go. See Now > > > <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > More pictures of our kids: > http://www.pbase.com/urriegrl/multiplesdsYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > More pictures of our kids: > http://www.pbase.com/urriegrl/multiplesdsYahoo! Groups > Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I love you Sheryl! You're giving me great thoughts for my letter! In the process of reading all the bus emails now... Thank you! - Sheryl Knapp wrote: > I just wrote a long response, but it somehow got deleted, and > I desperately need to prepare for a meeting early in the AM... so > let me at least summarize now: > > Wait before proposing the " special " van. In towns around me, they > dump all the kids with special needs or behavior issues on the vans -- > and so how would I expect my daughter to learn typical bus behavior > when she's surrounded by kids who aren't behaving " appropriately " ? > It's critical that your girls learn to behave appropriately on the bus > -- what's going to happen when they get invited to a playdate or > birthday party which requires them to ride another, typical > bus? Transportation is considered a related services (like OT or > SLP), as it enables your daughter to benefit from special education, > so it's your school's responsiblity to give them the tools and other > supports they need to be successful. My guess is that there's a good > explanation for the behavior -- perhaps the other kids are ignoring > them, so they're trying to get attention (and throwing orthotics is a > good way to accomplish that!). We've run the gamut of behavioral > issues on the bus (hair pulling, spitting, cursing, opening windows, > standing on seats, etc.), and it's amazing how things suddenly work > themselves out when my daughter has a friend to sit with. Social > stories can also be helpful to teach " appropriate " bus behavior. But > remember that it's not your daughters' responsibilities to navigate > the bus situation but rather the responsibility of the people around > them -- the bus driver, other riders, PPT team, etc. -- to enable them > to be successful. > > I'll try to write more tomorrow... > > Sheryl Knapp > Literacy Advocates > 10 Wall Street > Norwalk, CT 06850 > www.literacyadvocates.com <http://www.literacyadvocates.com/> > Norwalk > Ridgefield > Fax > > > Re: bus & school behavior > > > Sorry, hit the send key too soon. > > We can have a special bus sent out to the house for Davey. The price > of gas makes them think twice. > > Also, what about an aide on the bus? > > It is the girls right to get the transportation. > Keep us posted. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From*: Granata <juliesurecode (DOT) com> > *Date*: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400 > *To*: <Multiples-DS@ yahoogroups. com> > *Subject*: bus school behavior > > > Hi All - > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying > to do some research on slaw.com <http://wrightslaw.com/> > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on > routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/ socks and > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. > Hit two kids today with the items. > > A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. > Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus > for a set period of time. > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability > that is not being properly addressed. > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their > shoes/orthos/ socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be > anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " > > Any thoughts/ideas/ help on the law will be great. I just don't have a > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make > the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 > supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with > her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a > little based on the few minutes I had. > > Thanks, > Granata > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 > 1/2 yr son > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on > the go. See Now > <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Thanks so much Suze - Great stuff! Thanks to everyone - sorry so many reply emails from me. I will give you a heads up in a few days or so... - Suze Black wrote: > > Hi , > > > > Oh boy are you where I was at a year ago. Okay, here’s what I > learned. If a child with an IEP exhibits a behavior that endangers > self or others then they must determine if the child’s disability is > contributing to the behavior by conducting a Functional Analysis > Assessment. This is an assessment where they have to take a minimum > of three full days worth of A (antecedent: what happens before the > behavior) B (behavior) and C (consequence: what happens after the > behavior) data. They need to determine the function of the behavior > (communication: frustration, anger, pain). Then they have to write a > behavior plan for how this behavior is going to be addressed, > replaced, and extinguished. Our children often have communication > disabilities that are the function of the behavior. > > > > Haley needs a social goal to facilitate social communication, scripted > dialog and someone to implement the social goal. This way instead of > scratching to gain attention she learns to say “Hi, play?” Then that > sentence gets expanded over time. This can be done with picture > exchange and gestures or sign too. > > > > As far as the bus it is up to you if you want the special bus or the > regular bus. Opinions differ on this… but on either bus you should be > able to get a behavior aide to ride along and implement the behavior > plan. > > > > So magic words (in writing) are, “I would like an FAA, please.” If > they try to offer you an FBA (Functional Behavior Assessment) this is > a lower level assessment that can be done without the observation and > data capturing. You probably don’t want this because they wouldn’t > have to ride on the bus with Haley to write this plan. If > transportation is written into the IEP then the VP can not take it > away without you agreeing to a change in services in writing. So your > letter might want to state “parents do not agree to any transportation > changes.” > > > > If the one-on-one does not have behavior training then you will want > to request this also. And if the aide has to be trained then you go > to training to and let the school pick that up for “generalizing > across environments.” > > > > Hope this helps – let me know if you need more! > > > > Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Multiples-DS > [mailto:Multiples-DS ] *On Behalf Of * Granata > *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:00 AM > *To:* Multiples-DS > *Subject:* bus & school behavior > > > > Hi All - > > Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying > to do some research on slaw.com > > Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on > routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and > throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep > them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. > Hit two kids today with the items. > > A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral > concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log > also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get > her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. > Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a > disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus > for a set period of time. > > I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal > that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability > that is not being properly addressed. > > I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their > shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be > anything to throw to " cause another disruption. " > > Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a > ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make > the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc. > > FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 > supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus > behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and > hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with > her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a > little based on the few minutes I had. > > Thanks, > Granata > Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 > 1/2 yr son > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: > 9/13/2008 12:50 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: > 9/13/2008 12:50 PM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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