Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 thanks for the explaination. Ive been wondering about this sleep thing for a while which didnt make any sense to me until now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIAGNOSIS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasympathetic Exhaustion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SSRIs caused an Acetylcholine and Dopamine > > > > > > > > > > > deficiency. This > > > > > > > > > > > > deficiency > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead to low testosterone and a weakened > > > > > > > > > > > Parasympatheic Nervous > > > > > > > > > > > > System. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Autonomic Nervous System is subdivided into > > > > > > > > > > > the Sympathetic > > > > > > > > > > > > (SNS) > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Parasympathetic (PNS). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The neurotransmitter for the SNS is > > > > > > > > > > > Noradrenaline > > > > > > > > > > > > (Norepinephrine), of > > > > > > > > > > > > > which Dopamine is a precursor. The SNS is > > > > > > > > > > > stimulated during times > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > stress, also known as the " Fight or Flight " > > > > > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The neurotransmitter of the PNS is > > > > > > > > > > > Acetylcholine. During sleep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > digestion, rest, and sex the PNS is dominant. > > > > > > > > > > > When the PNS is > > > > > > > > > > > > > stimulated it releases Acetylcholine. A > > > > > > > > > > > deficiency of Dopamine will > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause an imbalance of the Autonomic Nervous > > > > > > > > > > > System. The SNS will > > > > > > > > > > > > > become underactive, and the PNS will become > > > > > > > > > > > overactive. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > overactivity of the PNS will lead to a > > > > > > > > > > > deficiency of Acetylcholine, > > > > > > > > > > > > > weakening the PNS, and as a consequence, > > > > > > > > > > > weakening all activities > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > PNS governs. With a weak PNS you will have a > > > > > > > > > > > reduced libido, weak > > > > > > > > > > > > > erection, insomnia, digestive disorders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TREATMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to stimulate the Sympathetic to allow > > > > > > > > > > > the Parasympathetic > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest and recharge. Raise your testosterone and > > > > > > > > > > > dopamine with TRT > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wellbutrin. This will strengthen the SNS and > > > > > > > > > > > suppress the activity > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the PNS. Over time the PNS will recharge > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > This could take > > > > > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > > or months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would avoid Choline supplements, because from > > > > > > > > > > > my experience, this > > > > > > > > > > > > > will only stimulate the PNS, weakening it > > > > > > > > > > > further. Let it rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, to allow the PNS to heal, I would refrain > > > > > > > > > > > from all sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity, if possible. At the least, keep it to > > > > > > > > > > > a minimum, as > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity will stimulate the PNS and deplete it > > > > > > > > > > > of acetylcholine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > > > > > not to overeat during this time of healing, and > > > > > > > > > > > eat foods that do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > upset the digestive system. And keep active > > > > > > > > > > > during the day. Get > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercise and sunlight daily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 I pay no attention whatsoever to what shrinks say. There are many people both on SSRIs, and off, who have been helped sexually by wellbutrin. That's not to say that it will work for everyone, because it won't, but it seems to be the most helpful thing so far. Vornan > My psych was not impressed with the sexual profile of Wellbutrin > either for any patient of his. > > Ria! > =========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 I don't think dopamine works the same way in women as it does in men. In men dopamine increases testosterone and vice versa. But in women it might be estrogen and serotonin. " Estrogen appears to stimulate serotonin and norepinephrine receptors in the brain, causing them to increase production. Estrogen also appears to slow the breakdown of serotonin and norepinephrine, keeping them active longer. Estrogen seems to raise acetylcholine levels. " http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/afi/cognitive.html > > > > ...but wellbutrin raises noradrenaline as well as dopamine, so i would > > have thought that would help.. > > > > > For me raising noreadrelanine (Norepinephrine) is paramount for libido > > > and orgasm. So when I take Serotonin (SSRI) it steps all over > > > noradrenaline - and therefore libido. > > - Not for me. Wellbutrin is a different animal and all I get is the > dopamine boost. We all metabolize these drugs differently. > > My psych was not impressed with the sexual profile of Wellbutrin > either for any patient of his. > > Ria! > =========== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 So, to sum it all a little, what do you recommend? (for men and women)? Noreadrelanine, dopamine, TRT, or some of these in conjuction with Choline? Or maybe in conjuction with something to sleep better too? thanks > > > > > > > ...but wellbutrin raises noradrenaline as well as dopamine, so i > would > > > have thought that would help.. > > > > > > > For me raising noreadrelanine (Norepinephrine) is paramount for > libido > > > > and orgasm. So when I take Serotonin (SSRI) it steps all over > > > > noradrenaline - and therefore libido. > > > > - Not for me. Wellbutrin is a different animal and all I get is the > > dopamine boost. We all metabolize these drugs differently. > > > > My psych was not impressed with the sexual profile of Wellbutrin > > either for any patient of his. > > > > Ria! > > =========== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 headsaregonnarole, > I don't think dopamine works the same way in women as it does in men. > In men dopamine increases testosterone and vice versa. But in women it > might be estrogen and serotonin. > > " Estrogen appears to stimulate serotonin and norepinephrine receptors > in the brain, causing them to increase production. Estrogen also > appears to slow the breakdown of serotonin and norepinephrine, keeping > them active longer. Estrogen seems to raise acetylcholine levels. " > > http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/afi/cognitive.html - Thanks for this insight and the link. Medicine's cookie cutter approach to both genders is amusing. It shows me how little they really know. Then to make matters worse Docs still take that approach for all men and all women within their respective genders. At least my doc was willing to own up to the fact that this is all an experiment! (But frankly I do not like to have my sexuality experimented with.) Ria! ================= > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but wellbutrin raises noradrenaline as well as dopamine, so i > would > > > have thought that would help.. > > > > > > > For me raising noreadrelanine (Norepinephrine) is paramount for > libido > > > > and orgasm. So when I take Serotonin (SSRI) it steps all over > > > > noradrenaline - and therefore libido. > > > > - Not for me. Wellbutrin is a different animal and all I get is the > > dopamine boost. We all metabolize these drugs differently. > > > > My psych was not impressed with the sexual profile of Wellbutrin > > either for any patient of his. > > > > Ria! > > =========== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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