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I think it's tough to sort out causes of pain . . .

last week, I was hurting all over (fibromyalgia). . I

got a deep massage Wednesday, and got rid of most of

it. Now it's down to my shoulder where I've got some

bursitis going on . . . they put a pneumonia

vaccination into the bursa sac last December. I had

therapy with ultrasound, and it cleared up very well .

.. .then it was jerked a number of times while square

dancing, and I'm back to square one with it.

So I'm off to see the doctor Monday. Hopefully I can

get some more ultrasound treatments.

Rogene

--- cjheer@... wrote:

> I drank it for about 4 months and it didn't help my

> pain issues at

> all so I stopped, I still have some so I should

> probably try it again

> I never noticed much from it... maybe I didn't give

> it long enough!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In @y..., " Patty " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> > ,

> > Are you still using the Noni juice? I remember

> you said you tried

> it for

> > awhile--did you keep up with it, or stop using it?

> > Patty

>

>

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I had a lot of problems with what I believe to be migrating silicone in my

legs and feet after 12 therapeutic massages for my neck. I got sicker and my

rheumy said that treatments like massage can break up silicone that may be

lodge in an area, like the neck and begin moving it through the bloodstream.

This seems like it could have been what was happening to me. Have you

noticed differences after massage?

Beverley Smalley

----- Original Message -----

From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Noni

> I think it's tough to sort out causes of pain . . .

> last week, I was hurting all over (fibromyalgia). . I

> got a deep massage Wednesday, and got rid of most of

> it. Now it's down to my shoulder where I've got some

> bursitis going on . . . they put a pneumonia

> vaccination into the bursa sac last December. I had

> therapy with ultrasound, and it cleared up very well .

> . .then it was jerked a number of times while square

> dancing, and I'm back to square one with it.

>

> So I'm off to see the doctor Monday. Hopefully I can

> get some more ultrasound treatments.

>

> Rogene

>

>

> --- cjheer@... wrote:

> > I drank it for about 4 months and it didn't help my

> > pain issues at

> > all so I stopped, I still have some so I should

> > probably try it again

> > I never noticed much from it... maybe I didn't give

> > it long enough!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In @y..., " Patty " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> > > ,

> > > Are you still using the Noni juice? I remember

> > you said you tried

> > it for

> > > awhile--did you keep up with it, or stop using it?

> > > Patty

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Therefore, I keep my excellent supplements a

secret from all of you, while I continue to get closer to total wellness!

> I do the same thing with cosmetics & skin treatment plans, so I will look

> young, while you who are my adult childrens' ages look old!

Gee, thanks, Martha. That's a nice thought. Thanks for showing how much you

care.

Patty

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I'm concerned about massage spreading silicone that

has lodged one place to another. I would never allow a

massage therapist to massage lumps that may be

silicone. I've also cautioned my massage therapists

against massaging what they feel to be deposits of

silicone. One therapist thought she was helping a

woman disperse those lumps! IMHO, if they are a size

that can be felt, a surgeon should remove them.

That said, I find that I feel best when I get a

massage every two weeks when I'm not physically

active. The massage therapists always caution me to

drink lots of water following a massage because toxins

are released.

In my case, the capsule contained the spilled

silicone, so, while small amounts of silicone escaped

for years, I did not have big globs floating about.

There is a test you can do . . . it's not

" scientific " , but, it works. Put a tablespoon of spit

on a white piece of paper and let it dry completely.

Examine it closely under a bright light. Traces of

silicone will show up as sparkles . . . the more

sparkles, more silicone. The woman, who collected

samples for study, said that those who were

exceptionally ill had samples that looked frothy. The

scientist who was going to do the study, stopped when

the IOM report was released. One woman talked to a

medical specialist about the spit observation. He told

her that people with occupational exposure to silicon

had the same type of spit.

Rogene

--- Beverley Smalley <kokomo@...> wrote:

> I had a lot of problems with what I believe to be

> migrating silicone in my

> legs and feet after 12 therapeutic massages for my

> neck. I got sicker and my

> rheumy said that treatments like massage can break

> up silicone that may be

> lodge in an area, like the neck and begin moving it

> through the bloodstream.

> This seems like it could have been what was

> happening to me. Have you

> noticed differences after massage?

> Beverley Smalley

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

> < >

> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:24 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Noni

>

>

> > I think it's tough to sort out causes of pain . .

> .

> > last week, I was hurting all over (fibromyalgia).

> . I

> > got a deep massage Wednesday, and got rid of most

> of

> > it. Now it's down to my shoulder where I've got

> some

> > bursitis going on . . . they put a pneumonia

> > vaccination into the bursa sac last December. I

> had

> > therapy with ultrasound, and it cleared up very

> well .

> > . .then it was jerked a number of times while

> square

> > dancing, and I'm back to square one with it.

> >

> > So I'm off to see the doctor Monday. Hopefully I

> can

> > get some more ultrasound treatments.

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> >

> > --- cjheer@... wrote:

> > > I drank it for about 4 months and it didn't help

> my

> > > pain issues at

> > > all so I stopped, I still have some so I should

> > > probably try it again

> > > I never noticed much from it... maybe I didn't

> give

> > > it long enough!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In @y..., " Patty " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> > > > ,

> > > > Are you still using the Noni juice? I

> remember

> > > you said you tried

> > > it for

> > > > awhile--did you keep up with it, or stop using

> it?

> > > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I found this spit test interesting, but was not too sure about its

reliability. I tried it on myself, and then also on my son, who was

probably 13 or 14 at the time. We did the whole bit spitting on paper and

letting it dry, and what we found was that both of us had the same kind of

sparkles. (he was breast fed, but before I got implants.) I guess that

made me skeptical.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Rogene S " <saxony01@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Noni

> I'm concerned about massage spreading silicone that

> has lodged one place to another. I would never allow a

> massage therapist to massage lumps that may be

> silicone. I've also cautioned my massage therapists

> against massaging what they feel to be deposits of

> silicone. One therapist thought she was helping a

> woman disperse those lumps! IMHO, if they are a size

> that can be felt, a surgeon should remove them.

>

> That said, I find that I feel best when I get a

> massage every two weeks when I'm not physically

> active. The massage therapists always caution me to

> drink lots of water following a massage because toxins

> are released.

>

> In my case, the capsule contained the spilled

> silicone, so, while small amounts of silicone escaped

> for years, I did not have big globs floating about.

>

> There is a test you can do . . . it's not

> " scientific " , but, it works. Put a tablespoon of spit

> on a white piece of paper and let it dry completely.

> Examine it closely under a bright light. Traces of

> silicone will show up as sparkles . . . the more

> sparkles, more silicone. The woman, who collected

> samples for study, said that those who were

> exceptionally ill had samples that looked frothy. The

> scientist who was going to do the study, stopped when

> the IOM report was released. One woman talked to a

> medical specialist about the spit observation. He told

> her that people with occupational exposure to silicon

> had the same type of spit.

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

> --- Beverley Smalley <kokomo@...> wrote:

> > I had a lot of problems with what I believe to be

> > migrating silicone in my

> > legs and feet after 12 therapeutic massages for my

> > neck. I got sicker and my

> > rheumy said that treatments like massage can break

> > up silicone that may be

> > lodge in an area, like the neck and begin moving it

> > through the bloodstream.

> > This seems like it could have been what was

> > happening to me. Have you

> > noticed differences after massage?

> > Beverley Smalley

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

> > < >

> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:24 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Noni

> >

> >

> > > I think it's tough to sort out causes of pain . .

> > .

> > > last week, I was hurting all over (fibromyalgia).

> > . I

> > > got a deep massage Wednesday, and got rid of most

> > of

> > > it. Now it's down to my shoulder where I've got

> > some

> > > bursitis going on . . . they put a pneumonia

> > > vaccination into the bursa sac last December. I

> > had

> > > therapy with ultrasound, and it cleared up very

> > well .

> > > . .then it was jerked a number of times while

> > square

> > > dancing, and I'm back to square one with it.

> > >

> > > So I'm off to see the doctor Monday. Hopefully I

> > can

> > > get some more ultrasound treatments.

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > >

> > > --- cjheer@... wrote:

> > > > I drank it for about 4 months and it didn't help

> > my

> > > > pain issues at

> > > > all so I stopped, I still have some so I should

> > > > probably try it again

> > > > I never noticed much from it... maybe I didn't

> > give

> > > > it long enough!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In @y..., " Patty " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> > > > > ,

> > > > > Are you still using the Noni juice? I

> > remember

> > > > you said you tried

> > > > it for

> > > > > awhile--did you keep up with it, or stop using

> > it?

> > > > > Patty

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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There is silicone in many products . . . there should

be a remarkable difference between someone who has

breast implants, or significant silica exposure, and

someone who hasn't.

Is it possible your son has some environmental

exposure? . . . for instance, some craft projects

involve silica . . . pottery, ceramics, stained glass

.. . .

I hadn't heard of the test when I was very sick, but

now, I find only a few crystals. Hopefully that means

that I've cleared most the silicone out of my body.

Rogene

--- Patty <fdp@...> wrote:

> I found this spit test interesting, but was not too

> sure about its

> reliability. I tried it on myself, and then also

> on my son, who was

> probably 13 or 14 at the time. We did the whole bit

> spitting on paper and

> letting it dry, and what we found was that both of

> us had the same kind of

> sparkles. (he was breast fed, but before I got

> implants.) I guess that

> made me skeptical.

> Patty

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Hi,

I'm not trying to contradict anyone, but my husband and I also tried the spit test on two seperate 3x5 cards (back side of cards, plain without the lines) and the next morning after they had both dried. Where my husband had spit, you couldn't even tell, it had blended in with the card, but on my card, the spit had dried as a frothy (brown in color) with all these little crystals in it. And just to be sure that wasn't some kind of a fluke, we tried it again this week with the same results. My husband is also very sick with heart and lung disease, but those were the results.

Hugs...........

Patty <fdp@...> wrote: I found this spit test interesting, but was not too sure about itsreliability. I tried it on myself, and then also on my son, who wasprobably 13 or 14 at the time. We did the whole bit spitting on paper andletting it dry, and what we found was that both of us had the same kind ofsparkles. (he was breast fed, but before I got implants.) I guess thatmade me skeptical.Patty----- Original Message -----From: "Rogene S" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: Noni> I'm concerned about massage spreading silicone that> has lodged one place to another. I would never allow a> massage therapist to massage lumps that may be> silicone. I've also cautioned my massage therapists> against massaging what they feel to be deposits of> silicone. One therapist thought she was helping a> woman disperse those lumps! IMHO, if they are a size> that can be felt, a surgeon should remove them.>> That said, I find that I feel best when I get a> massage every two weeks when I'm not physically> active. The massage therapists always caution me to> drink lots of water following a massage because toxins> are released.>> In my case, the capsule contained the spilled> silicone, so, while small amounts of silicone escaped> for years, I did not have big globs floating about.>> There is a test you can do . . . it's not> "scientific", but, it works. Put a tablespoon of spit> on a white piece of paper and let it dry completely.> Examine it closely under a bright light. Traces of> silicone will show up as sparkles . . . the more> sparkles, more silicone. The woman, who collected> samples for study, said that those who were> exceptionally ill had samples that looked frothy. The> scientist who was going to do the study, stopped when> the IOM report was released. One woman talked to a> medical specialist about the spit observation. He told> her that people with occupational exposure to silicon> had the same type of spit.>> Rogene>>>>> --- Beverley Smalley wrote:> > I had a lot of problems with what I believe to be> > migrating silicone in my> > legs and feet after 12 therapeutic massages for my> > neck. I got sicker and my> > rheumy said that treatments like massage can break> > up silicone that may be> > lodge in an area, like the neck and begin moving it> > through the bloodstream.> > This seems like it could have been what was> > happening to me. Have you> > noticed differences after massage?> > Beverley Smalley> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Rogene S > > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:24 PM> > Subject: Re: Re: Noni> >> >> > > I think it's tough to sort out causes of pain . .> > .> > > last week, I was hurting all over (fibromyalgia).> > . I> > > got a deep massage Wednesday, and got rid of most> > of> > > it. Now it's down to my shoulder where I've got> > some> > > bursitis going on . . . they put a pneumonia> > > vaccination into the bursa sac last December. I> > had> > > therapy with ultrasound, and it cleared up very> > well .> > > . .then it was jerked a number of times while> > square> > > dancing, and I'm back to square one with it.> > >> > > So I'm off to see the doctor Monday. Hopefully I> > can> > > get some more ultrasound treatments.> > >> > > Rogene> > >> > >> > > --- cjheer@... wrote:> > > > I drank it for about 4 months and it didn't help> > my> > > > pain issues at> > > > all so I stopped, I still have some so I should> > > > probably try it again> > > > I never noticed much from it... maybe I didn't> > give> > > > it long enough!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In @y..., "Patty" wrote:> > > > > ,> > > > > Are you still using the Noni juice? I> > remember> > > > you said you tried> > > > it for> > > > > awhile--did you keep up with it, or stop using> > it?> > > > > Patty> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > __________________________________________________> > >

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