Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jaw

[Guest guest]

YES!! it's toticollis. most peds. don't diagnose this early enough (IMO). I'm usually the first to call attention to it. I would refer to a ped. PT who specializes in infants as soon as possible. great fast results occur with an experienced person during the first few weeks of life. don't worry about your ability to diagnose--just refer to a pt and he/she can decide exactly what it is!

(who has a background in special ed and has worked closely with OT/PT's for years and years!

Beebe, M.Ed., IBCLC Lactation Consultant/Postpartum Doula www.second9months.com

See breastfeeding articles at www.fertilefoods.com---

Subject: Torticollis - or just unaligned jawTo: Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 4:10 PM

Hi Ladies,I have had two patients in the last week with difficult latch and realized that the lower jaw was lower on one side. I recommended CST and/or chiropractic care and of course to alert their physician. Well, my question is this - is what I'm seeing torticollis if it's just the jaw that is unaligned (lower on one side) or is torticollis more involved with the entire face and or neck? They both favor one side and turn towards the affected side, so that made me think torticollis. When I mention it to HCP's they don't think it is. Has anyone had experience enough to know the answer to this? Both of my clients had situations in utero such as breech or prolonged labor and unengaged baby. I'm not wanting to diagnose, just know what I'm talking about. It's difficult to know for sure when you've only had two cases (that I've noticed in the last 8 years) and a book briefly describing

it.Thanks,June

[Guest guest]

Were either one of these moms put on bed rest at any time during her pregnancy?  The reason I ask is that I have seen a rise in torticollis in moms who have been placed on bed rest....mostly b/c the baby is unable to move around as much in utero.  I have also seen that this increases their risk of needing a helmet later on.

Robin Kaplan, M.Ed, IBCLCSan Diego Breastfeeding Center, LLCwww.sdbfc.com

 

Hi Ladies,

I have had two patients in the last week with difficult latch and realized that the lower jaw was lower on one side. I recommended CST and/or chiropractic care and of course to alert their physician. Well, my question is this - is what I'm seeing torticollis if it's just the jaw that is unaligned (lower on one side) or is torticollis more involved with the entire face and or neck? They both favor one side and turn towards the affected side, so that made me think torticollis. When I mention it to HCP's they don't think it is. Has anyone had experience enough to know the answer to this? Both of my clients had situations in utero such as breech or prolonged labor and unengaged baby. I'm not wanting to diagnose, just know what I'm talking about. It's difficult to know for sure when you've only had two cases (that I've noticed in the last 8 years) and a book briefly describing it.

Thanks,

June

-- Robin Kaplan, M.Ed., IBCLCInternational Board Certified Lactation ConsultantSan Diego Breastfeeding Center, LLCwww.sdbfc.com

[Guest guest]

No, on one for sure.

---- Robin Kaplan wrote:

> Were either one of these moms put on bed rest at any time during her

> pregnancy? The reason I ask is that I have seen a rise in torticollis in

> moms who have been placed on bed rest....mostly b/c the baby is unable to

> move around as much in utero. I have also seen that this increases their

> risk of needing a helmet later on.

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> Robin Kaplan, M.Ed, IBCLC

> San Diego Breastfeeding Center, LLC

> www.sdbfc.com

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> > Hi Ladies,

> > I have had two patients in the last week with difficult latch and realized

> > that the lower jaw was lower on one side. I recommended CST and/or

> > chiropractic care and of course to alert their physician. Well, my question

> > is this - is what I'm seeing torticollis if it's just the jaw that is

> > unaligned (lower on one side) or is torticollis more involved with the

> > entire face and or neck? They both favor one side and turn towards the

> > affected side, so that made me think torticollis. When I mention it to HCP's

> > they don't think it is. Has anyone had experience enough to know the answer

> > to this? Both of my clients had situations in utero such as breech or

> > prolonged labor and unengaged baby. I'm not wanting to diagnose, just know

> > what I'm talking about. It's difficult to know for sure when you've only had

> > two cases (that I've noticed in the last 8 years) and a book briefly

> > describing it.

> > Thanks,

> > June

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> >

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> --

> Robin Kaplan, M.Ed., IBCLC

> International Board Certified Lactation Consultant

> San Diego Breastfeeding Center, LLC

> www.sdbfc.com

>

[Guest guest]

Good! Thanks ! I'm so unsure of myself and wanted to make sure. One of the

mothers I helped said she and her husband looked it up and decided that it

wasn't Toricollis, but that it was something encephaly. I can't rememeber, but I

thought - I have more experience than they do! Sometimes the internet can be a

bad thing!

June

---- Beebe wrote:

> YES!! it's toticollis.  most peds. don't diagnose this early enough (IMO). 

I'm usually the first to call attention to it.  I would refer to a ped. PT who

specializes in infants as soon as possible.  great fast results occur with an

experienced person during the first few weeks of life.  don't worry about your

ability to diagnose--just refer to a pt and he/she can decide exactly what it

is!

[Guest guest]

Robin wrote: "Were either one of these moms put on bed rest at any time during her pregnancy? The reason I ask is that I have seen a rise in torticollis in moms who have been placed on bed rest....mostly b/c the baby is unable to move around as much in utero. I have also seen that this increases their risk of needing a helmet later on."

What I see is that doctors will only write referrals for PT for torticollis when the condition is extreme and baby won't turn his head forward at all. The less severe cases, where baby favors one side consistently, but will turn his head straight or in the other direction for very short periods of time, just don't get referred by doctors. Then the doctor has no idea why this baby develops a flat section of his skull, and the doctor decides the baby needs one of those awful helmets that still don't address the underlying issue.

These babies can be helped tremendously by craniosacral therapy as soon as anyone notices that the baby (no matter how young) prefers to look to one side more often than not. When I notice it, I point it out to parents. Then I ask them to watch to see if the baby is always looking in the same direction in his car seat when they arrive at their destinations. (The side of a car seat is not all that interesting, but parents never seem to think of that.) I also ask them if the baby prefers to have his head turned the same way whenever they change his diaper or his clothes. Some say they thought it was because the mobile or other toy was on that side, so I ask them to move the toy. So many of them then call me to say that the baby still prefers looking to the same side, even though the toy has been moved! The younger the babies are when treatment is started, the quicker the problem resolves (usually) and the less

risk of misshapen skull.

Dee Kassing

[Guest guest]

I am a certified Reiki Master and my Master teacher said the same thing.

So.....I became and ordained minister in my state

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> I've attended Upledger Institute trainings in CST and SER. I've also been a

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> warmly,

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[Guest guest]

I will see if I can dig something up later...I am off to work Apparently

members of the clergy are permitted to legally place their hands on people. So

although I do not possess a nursing license, I can legally perform Reiki etc.,

as an ordained minister.

I was not the only member of my program to become ordained. My Reiki teacher

has her MSN, so she knew a bit about the laws governing touching people in my

state.

I haven't done 'enough' with that Reiki certification. I should honestly

just be more consistent performing it for myself! Do you actively provide Reiki

services?

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I have a friend who teaches for Upledger. I asked him this question just a couple of months ago--yes, anyone can take the training. And, ordained ministers can do bodywork.

i've heard that upledger insttitute only takes people with

anatomy/physiology backgrounds. we have the "right to touch" as well,

but we don't have extensive ana/phys training. people like Physical

therapists, massage therapists, RN's, DO's, Chiropractors, etc are

accepted. at least that's what i've heard from C/S therapists I know...

Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Wanted to join in on torticollis discussion. I too was frustrated about lack of

training to deal with suck issues. I sought out training with Anat Baniel, who

studied with Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais. As an ABM practitioner I have the " right "

to touch, and an insurance policy to boot!

Look at:

www.anatbanielmethod.com

This work is truly remarkable and works wonderfully with a wide range of

situations from torticollis, to genetic disorders, brachial plexus injury,

cerebral palsy, autism spectrum etc.

So when looking for practitioners to help with breastfeeding problems, check out

www.anatbanielmethod.com for practitioner listings.

Margaret Turano, IBCLC, RLC, LLLL, ABMP

Windsor, CA

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> Subject: Re: Torticollis - or just unaligned jaw

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> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:25 AM

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> I've attended Upledger Institute trainings in CST and SER. I've also been a

teaching assistant at trainings.

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> warmly,

> Nikki

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[Guest guest]

The Upledger Institute will train and certify anyone who completes their

requirements, but they do not provide a license, which is why you have to have

something to legally allow you to do " hands on " manipulation or body work...I

believe you can become an ordained minister relatively easily and inexpensively

online....

- do you offer CST to the general population or do you just add it to

your work with babies?

~Amy Paolinelli, MA, IBCLC~

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> I have a friend who teaches for Upledger. I asked him this question just a

couple of months ago--yes, anyone can take the training. And, ordained ministers

can do bodywork.

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> i've heard that upledger insttitute only takes people withanatomy/physiology

backgrounds. we have the " right to touch " as well,but we don't have extensive

ana/phys training. people like Physicaltherapists, massage therapists, RN's,

DO's, Chiropractors, etc areaccepted. at least that's what i've heard from C/S

therapists I know...

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> Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

> Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC

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[Guest guest]

My comments to this discussion were not at all related to my role as a lactation

consultant. I do believe, but I am not 100% confident, that the 'touching

people' thing is related to 'treatment'or performing 'healing modalities'.

We are not 'treating' persons as lactation consultants. We are performing

assessments and evaluations.

Reiki, and CST are sometimes considered a type of 'treatment'. And from what I

understand persons in my state of WA are required to possess a license as a

health professional in order to facilitate 'treatments'.

The issue looks something like this:

http://www.reikireviews.com/alternative-medicine/what-is-the-law-in-ny-state-in-\

regards-to-reiki-do-you-need-a-license-to-touch-someone

Apparently clergy in my state are approved to perform hands on 'treatments'.

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> But I can't do craniosacral therapy. That is out of my scope of practice

> as an RN UNLESS I take the CST training. Having a " license to touch "

> doesn't give me the authority (or license) to do CST, suck training, PT

(beyond

> basic range of motion exercises), OT -- or anything else. It gives me the

> authority to practice within my scope of practice as an RN. Ergo, if you

> take the course to become a CST and one of the things you have to do is

> practice on 60 bodies in order to become certified, then you have the

> " authority " to touch those 60 bodies in order to become certified -- just as

someone

> who is getting their internship of 1000 hours to become an IBCLC.

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> The person that does my CST is not an RN. She has certification as a

> massage therapist and a CST. But she doesn't have to be a massage therapist

to

> be a CST. That stands on its own -- as does a massage therapist.

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> Agnes, who does my nails, has a " license " through the IL board that

> licenses us all -- me included. She can " touch " -- but she can't do CST

because

> she hasn't had training in that area.

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> I really think somewhere along the line we've gotten all bolloxed up in

> this whole " license to touch " thing. And it has inhibited people from doing

> what they are trained and supposed to do.

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> And why a " minister " should have more of a " license to touch " than a CST

> -- well, that is totally beyond my comprehension. My pastor better not do

> any more than put his hand on my shoulder in compassion -- and I would

> expect any of the deacons and elders in my church to do the same thing -- and

> they aren't ministers.

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> Jan

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[Guest guest]

I do not do CST. In the state of CT, you cannot do CST w/o a license such as

massage therapy, acupuncture, chiropactor, etc. I am personally trained in

energy healing, but there is no manipulation involved. I refer my babies to a

chiropractor.

Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

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> > I have a friend who teaches for Upledger. I asked him this question just a

couple of months ago--yes, anyone can take the training. And, ordained ministers

can do bodywork.

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> > i've heard that upledger insttitute only takes people withanatomy/

physiology backgrounds. we have the " right to touch " as well,but we don't have

extensive ana/phys training. people like Physicaltherapists, massage therapists,

RN's, DO's, Chiropractors, etc areaccepted. at least that's what i've heard from

C/S therapists I know...

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> > Tow, IBCLC, CT, USA

> > Intuitive Parenting Network, LLC

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