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[Guest guest]

paul-how much wellbutrin and tyrosine are you taking?

I'm currently tapering off wellbutrin, but was thinking of going down to a

maintenance dose of 37.5 mg/day and adding tyrosine. was thinking there could

be a synergistic effect. I can't see any contraindications in my online

searches, but I haven't been able to determine that its completely safe either.

I presume you've had only benefits from the combination?

v

-- In SSRIsex , paul821nj@... wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus definitely point toward a lack of

> dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach climax is most likely a lack of

> dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder for the motivation to push

> your body over the threshold. It's sucks because having to do all the mental

> gymnastics really takes you out of the moment. Have you tried using tyrosine

or

> DLPA. As you may already know, these are the amino acid precursors to

> dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While dopamine is the most

important in

> regard to desire, the other two also play important roles in the biochemistry

of

> sexual function. I've been taking relatively high doses of both (though

> mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and they've definitely helped. I'm

no

> where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm certainly better then I was for the

> year or so post meds.

>

> I also find that exercise helps. But you have to be careful not to overdue

> it. Over training, or exercising to the point of exhaustion can further over

> stress the system and due more harm than good. It can also cause a drop in

> hormone levels which won't help matters either. But in moderation it's

> definitely a plus.

>

> I'm interested in hearing about your response to wellbutrin. This is in

> general considered to be a pro-libido med but when I tried it last year it

just

> made me sleepy. This, of course, is a paradoxical response to a med that's

> supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it again for the past two weeks

and it

> seems to be working somewhat better then last year. I believe this is

> because the large amount of tyrosine I've been taking may have built up my

> presynaptic dopamine stores so the medication actually has something to work

with. It

> still isn't doing all that much. It may have helped my mood slightly. I also

> had the my first sex dream in a very long time a few nights ago. So it

> must've kick started something deep in my brain.

>

> Have you considered a dopaminergic med like requip in smal doses? They are

> prescribing it for restless leg syndrome now. I completely understand if you

> don't want to take any other meds. I'm very medication averse myself right

> now. I'm not sure how long i'll stick with the bupropion.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've only been taking the wellbutrin for about 10 days. I'm taking one generic 100mg bupropion SR tablet in the AM. These are the ones that I had left over from my first bupropion trial. Of course I wish the sustained release versions came in smaller doses so you could titrate more slowly. But I have to work with what I have. The only real difference between this go round and the last trial is that the med isn't completely knocking me out like it did last time. I've read that in addition to being a weak NE and DA reuptake inhibitor, bupropion may also trigger the release of these neurotransmitters in a way similar to classical stimulants. Albeit to a lesser degree. I think the fact the I've been loading up on the precursors for the past year may be why the med isn't causing me so much sleepiness this time around. I came across a post on a medication website where a guy said he had the exact same experience with wellbutrin before and after precursor loading. Unfortunately, other than this positive development, it doesn't seem to be doing too much of anything else. My mood may have brightened a little and I did have the one sex dream but that's about it. I've also been in a bad sleep cycle, but this predates taking the bupropion.

The thing is, I have been making some slight improvements these past few months. I've slowly been coming out of my self imposed exile from life. At the beginning of the month, I woke up one Saturday morning and spontaneously decided to jump in my car and drive two and a half hours to visit my cousins by the shore. This is something I've been wanting to do for two years but haven't been able to muster up the motivation or energy. I ended up spending a week on the beach soaking up a ton of sunshine and not thinking about PSSD or in my case PSSD + PTCASD. Needless to say I had a very good week. I was sleeping better and physically felt a lot better. Of course when I got back home I went down hill. Went back into a crappy sleep pattern and felt a lot less energetic. So I decided maybe I could help things along by trying the bupropion again. I'm still taking the tyrosine with it. From all I've read I haven't come across anything that implies there might be a problem with taking the two together. Particularly for someone who's dopamine depleted to begin with.

In any event, I'm once again trying to decide how long I should continue to take it and if I should push it up higher. I may add the second dose and stay at that level for a while and see what happens. They say it generally takes one to two months for an antidepressant to "rewire" your synapses. But, and I'm sure I don't have to say this again, I really hate the idea of being on meds again. It's a real catch-22.

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for your time in answering my email. Everyone

seems to really be smart and trying very hard to

recover from this--if only our doctors took it as

seriously as we do. I guess if it were ruining their

lives they might try a little harder to figure it out.

i doubt they would take ssri meds in the first place.

Wow, the lack of dopamine seems to make sense. I

have never taken anything supplement-wise and

certainly will try your suggestions. You are right

about the over-exercise issue as well. I played tennis

for almost 2 hours last night, had sex that would have

been mind blowing, yet the orgasm was elusive. I was

pretty pooped and didnt even come close to having one.

Too bad. I feel like i am psyching myself out

sometimes, yet i try to change my patterns of thinking

and it doesnt help much. I read that the pathways in

our brains like to travel the same route, making it

hard to change thought patterns...i try to force

myself to NOT think the same stuff--worries,etc.

because its too easy to get stuck in a rut--it works

with general stuff in my life--i can stop anxiety by

recognizing the repetitiveness. Not the same for sex.

My bizarro fantasies only work once. It seems like the

same fantasy would work all the time, but its just not

like that at all. Too bad.

As far as wellbutrin, i had less side effects that

with other ssri meds. I specifically remember things

tasting different. It was much easier to stop taking

them. Paxil was the worst withdrawal, but that might

be because i was on it the longest...about 2 years. I

took zoloft for around 8 months, wellbutrin 6 mo. I

remember taking trazodone briefly, then FINALLY got

switched to Klonipin, which was at least in the right

class of medications. It was awful too, i was a

zombie, sleepy and completely detached from feeling--i

felt like an outsider watching myself experience life

from a remote, non-feeling place.

So, i definitely would take meds, i still take Xanax

..5 prn and it controls my anxiety without making me

detached and sleepy. I also take ultracet for the

osteoarthritis. I am leery of starting new meds, but

at this point i feel like i have taken so many, whats

one more gonna do? At least what i am on now doesnt

seem to harm me unless i DONT get it. Funny thing, if

i dont take my ultracet on time, i start having the

same withdrawal symptoms i had with paxil--the

tingling hands, lips, dizziness. I always know if i

forget to take my meds--my body tells me. Sad how

physical dependence works. I (of course) would love a

life with no meds at all, to just be normal again. I

feel cheated by the whole Paxil debacle, it was the

worst of all of them and screwed me up sexually enough

that i couldnt achieve orgasm masturbating. How

upsetting is that? I have been off the paxil for 8 or

more years and once every few months i have difficulty

achieving orgasm with self stimulation.

Thanks for the amino acid suggestions. I will get to

the nutrition center and give it a try. I read through

these threads thiamine might help as well and it seems

safer than some of the herbal stuff i have read about.

I am reluctant to take herbal remedies since they

arent studied much or regulated by the fda. Not that i

should be more worried about them, even the stuff that

is studied and approved does things like this to us.

hindsight...

Let me know any other suggestions...

thanks so much!

lisa

--- paul821nj@... wrote:

> Hi,

>

> The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus definitely

> point toward a lack of

> dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> climax is most likely a lack of

> dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder

> for the motivation to push

> your body over the threshold. It's sucks because

> having to do all the mental

> gymnastics really takes you out of the moment. Have

> you tried using tyrosine or

> DLPA. As you may already know, these are the amino

> acid precursors to

> dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> dopamine is the most important in

> regard to desire, the other two also play important

> roles in the biochemistry of

> sexual function. I've been taking relatively high

> doses of both (though

> mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and they've

> definitely helped. I'm no

> where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm certainly

> better then I was for the

> year or so post meds.

>

> I also find that exercise helps. But you have to be

> careful not to overdue

> it. Over training, or exercising to the point of

> exhaustion can further over

> stress the system and due more harm than good. It

> can also cause a drop in

> hormone levels which won't help matters either. But

> in moderation it's

> definitely a plus.

>

> I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> wellbutrin. This is in

> general considered to be a pro-libido med but when I

> tried it last year it just

> made me sleepy. This, of course, is a paradoxical

> response to a med that's

> supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it again

> for the past two weeks and it

> seems to be working somewhat better then last year.

> I believe this is

> because the large amount of tyrosine I've been

> taking may have built up my

> presynaptic dopamine stores so the medication

> actually has something to work with. It

> still isn't doing all that much. It may have helped

> my mood slightly. I also

> had the my first sex dream in a very long time a few

> nights ago. So it

> must've kick started something deep in my brain.

>

> Have you considered a dopaminergic med like requip

> in smal doses? They are

> prescribing it for restless leg syndrome now. I

> completely understand if you

> don't want to take any other meds. I'm very

> medication averse myself right

> now. I'm not sure how long i'll stick with the

> bupropion.

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Sound like your trip to the coast was wonderful. I

wonder why vacations do that? Everything is great when

you are away from your normal surroundings but after

the vacation is over all that goodness goes away. Do

our surrounding dictate the way we feel that much? Are

our brains telling us to leave our comfort zones and

experience new things more??

lisa

--- paul821nj@... wrote:

> I've only been taking the wellbutrin for about 10

> days. I'm taking one

> generic 100mg bupropion SR tablet in the AM. These

> are the ones that I had left

> over from my first bupropion trial. Of course I

> wish the sustained release

> versions came in smaller doses so you could titrate

> more slowly. But I have to

> work with what I have. The only real difference

> between this go round and the

> last trial is that the med isn't completely knocking

> me out like it did last

> time. I've read that in addition to being a weak NE

> and DA reuptake inhibitor,

> bupropion may also trigger the release of these

> neurotransmitters in a way

> similar to classical stimulants. Albeit to a lesser

> degree. I think the fact

> the I've been loading up on the precursors for the

> past year may be why the med

> isn't causing me so much sleepiness this time

> around. I came across a post on

> a medication website where a guy said he had the

> exact same experience with

> wellbutrin before and after precursor loading.

> Unfortunately, other than this

> positive development, it doesn't seem to be doing

> too much of anything else.

> My mood may have brightened a little and I did have

> the one sex dream but

> that's about it. I've also been in a bad sleep

> cycle, but this predates taking

> the bupropion.

>

> The thing is, I have been making some slight

> improvements these past few

> months. I've slowly been coming out of my self

> imposed exile from life. At the

> beginning of the month, I woke up one Saturday

> morning and spontaneously

> decided to jump in my car and drive two and a half

> hours to visit my cousins by the

> shore. This is something I've been wanting to do

> for two years but haven't

> been able to muster up the motivation or energy. I

> ended up spending a week on

> the beach soaking up a ton of sunshine and not

> thinking about PSSD or in my

> case PSSD + PTCASD. Needless to say I had a very

> good week. I was sleeping

> better and physically felt a lot better. Of course

> when I got back home I went

> down hill. Went back into a crappy sleep pattern

> and felt a lot less

> energetic. So I decided maybe I could help things

> along by trying the bupropion again.

> I'm still taking the tyrosine with it. From all

> I've read I haven't come

> across anything that implies there might be a

> problem with taking the two

> together. Particularly for someone who's dopamine

> depleted to begin with.

>

> In any event, I'm once again trying to decide how

> long I should continue to

> take it and if I should push it up higher. I may

> add the second dose and stay

> at that level for a while and see what happens.

> They say it generally takes

> one to two months for an antidepressant to " rewire "

> your synapses. But, and

> I'm sure I don't have to say this again, I really

> hate the idea of being on meds

> again. It's a real catch-22.

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Paxil was the first antidepressant that I took. I was going through a very stressful period in my life. At some point I developed severe insomnia. My conscious thoughts started triggering an autonomic nervous system reaction. I'd be laying in bed thinking about things and my heart would start pounding and it would take me a long time to slow it down. If I could go back I would have just gone to a therapist or gone to church or changed my lifestyle or took up meditation or anything. But I went to a doctor and my life hasn't been the same since. That was 1999. If the bastard would have just treated my insomnia I probably would have been a lot better off. But it was paxil right off the bat. I was on it for about a year. It did stifle the stress response somewhat but it did nothing for the insomnia and of course slowly destroyed my sex life. The sad part is, the period before going on paxil was one of the most sexually fulfilling periods of my life. My libido was sky high and the equipment was working great. It was the one part of my life that I was happy with! What a friggin' disaster...

In any event, when I stopped it I did feel a rush of horniness come back. But then it started to dwindle again. I ended up going on the tricyclic AD elavil. This was actually less of a libido killer. Although it is more of a person killer. It helped me sleep and cope and I stayed on it three years. At some point I realized it was turning me into a dried up dullard and I stopped it. Which was a horrendous experience. It left me with all kinds of nerve pain. Pelvic pain, lower back pain, leg pain, genito-urinary pain. I'm basically a mess. I tried a bunch of other meds in the past few years but most have left me feeling worse. I think my system is just too sensitive now for hardcore intervention. But I have been making a comeback in large part due to the aminos. I think when you artificially prop up your neurotransmitter levels with meds and then you stop taking them you end up with a lot of empty synapses. This is obviously an oversimplification, but it's a piece of it.

Not sure why I decided to tell you my story, but there it is...

[Guest guest]

,

Just a quick note about Ultracet: it contains tramadol, which has

effects on serotonin and GABA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

So it could interact with both SSRIs and Xanax. The interaction

with SSRIs could possibly be dangerous but the interaction with

benzos is probably benign. ALso, it appears to act as a

mild " antiderpressant " and dependence can occurr.

I wonder if the ultracet, possibly in combination with xanax, is

exacerbating your anorgasmia?

Vornan

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus definitely

> > point toward a lack of

> > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> > climax is most likely a lack of

> > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder

> > for the motivation to push

> > your body over the threshold. It's sucks because

> > having to do all the mental

> > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment. Have

> > you tried using tyrosine or

> > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the amino

> > acid precursors to

> > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> > dopamine is the most important in

> > regard to desire, the other two also play important

> > roles in the biochemistry of

> > sexual function. I've been taking relatively high

> > doses of both (though

> > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and they've

> > definitely helped. I'm no

> > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm certainly

> > better then I was for the

> > year or so post meds.

> >

> > I also find that exercise helps. But you have to be

> > careful not to overdue

> > it. Over training, or exercising to the point of

> > exhaustion can further over

> > stress the system and due more harm than good. It

> > can also cause a drop in

> > hormone levels which won't help matters either. But

> > in moderation it's

> > definitely a plus.

> >

> > I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> > wellbutrin. This is in

> > general considered to be a pro-libido med but when I

> > tried it last year it just

> > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a paradoxical

> > response to a med that's

> > supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it again

> > for the past two weeks and it

> > seems to be working somewhat better then last year.

> > I believe this is

> > because the large amount of tyrosine I've been

> > taking may have built up my

> > presynaptic dopamine stores so the medication

> > actually has something to work with. It

> > still isn't doing all that much. It may have helped

> > my mood slightly. I also

> > had the my first sex dream in a very long time a few

> > nights ago. So it

> > must've kick started something deep in my brain.

> >

> > Have you considered a dopaminergic med like requip

> > in smal doses? They are

> > prescribing it for restless leg syndrome now. I

> > completely understand if you

> > don't want to take any other meds. I'm very

> > medication averse myself right

> > now. I'm not sure how long i'll stick with the

> > bupropion.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

SOme more on ultracet (tramadol); turns out you are still on an SSRI :-) (albeit not a typical one) because tramadol is an atypical serotonin reuptake inhibitor, so you might want to look into this more and discuss it with your doctor:

http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazine/27/2/26/7/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=16115263 & tool=ExternalSearch

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34829

Vornan

> > > Hi,> > > > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus definitely> > point toward a lack of > > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach> > climax is most likely a lack of > > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder> > for the motivation to push > > your body over the threshold. It's sucks because> > having to do all the mental > > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment. Have> > you tried using tyrosine or > > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the amino> > acid precursors to > > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While> > dopamine is the most important in > > regard to desire, the other two also play important> > roles in the biochemistry of > > sexual function. I've been taking relatively high> > doses of both (though > > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and they've> > definitely helped. I'm no > > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm certainly> > better then I was for the > > year or so post meds. > > > > I also find that exercise helps. But you have to be> > careful not to overdue > > it. Over training, or exercising to the point of> > exhaustion can further over > > stress the system and due more harm than good. It> > can also cause a drop in > > hormone levels which won't help matters either. But> > in moderation it's > > definitely a plus.> > > > I'm interested in hearing about your response to> > wellbutrin. This is in > > general considered to be a pro-libido med but when I> > tried it last year it just > > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a paradoxical> > response to a med that's > > supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it again> > for the past two weeks and it > > seems to be working somewhat better then last year. > > I believe this is > > because the large amount of tyrosine I've been> > taking may have built up my > > presynaptic dopamine stores so the medication> > actually has something to work with. It > > still isn't doing all that much. It may have helped> > my mood slightly. I also > > had the my first sex dream in a very long time a few> > nights ago. So it > > must've kick started something deep in my brain.> > > > Have you considered a dopaminergic med like requip> > in smal doses? They are > > prescribing it for restless leg syndrome now. I> > completely understand if you > > don't want to take any other meds. I'm very> > medication averse myself right > > now. I'm not sure how long i'll stick with the> > bupropion. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

,

>Sound like your trip to the coast was wonderful. I wonder why vacations do that? >Everything is great when you are away from your normal surroundings but after the >vacation is over all that goodness goes away. Do our surrounding dictate the way >we feel that much? Are our brains telling us to leave our comfort zones and >experience new things more??

Yeah it was great. I love being by the ocean. One definitely tends to be more in the moment when they're on vacation. Plus, I think most of us are born with the urge to explore. The really smart people don't stifle it. They go on to be the "crocodile hunter" or that Jeff Corwin guy. I bet they don't need any Paxil. Have you seen those guys? They're like perpetual 10 year olds! Why the hell did I have to grow up and let the world get to me?

While I was down there ("there" being the Jersey shore just south of Atlantic City) there was a reported spotting of a couple of juvenile bull sharks in the bay and I was like...Where are the bull sharks?...Let's go find the bull sharks?...I need some adventure damn it!!! Mind you, I didn't want to get in the water with them. I just wanted to see them.

It's funny, but when I watch those shark shows in my apartment I swear I'm never going in the ocean again. But as soon as I get to the beach I end up spending the whole day in the water splashing around like a knucklehead. Vornan is right about getting out and doing stuff. Nothing good can come from spending too much time living in your head. I've done way too much of that the past couple of years.

Didn't this start out as a "legal action" thread? Oh well...

[Guest guest]

Wow, that sound like something i should really ask my

doctor about. I just dont know what i could replace it

with. I cant take most anti arthritis meds (like when

i tried vioxx) because my stomach bleeds. NSAIDS dont

work well enough. Do know what a good alternative

would be? I would love to taper off ultracet if there

were something better...

lisa

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

> ,

>

> Just a quick note about Ultracet: it contains

> tramadol, which has

> effects on serotonin and GABA.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

>

> So it could interact with both SSRIs and Xanax. The

> interaction

> with SSRIs could possibly be dangerous but the

> interaction with

> benzos is probably benign. ALso, it appears to act

> as a

> mild " antiderpressant " and dependence can occurr.

>

> I wonder if the ultracet, possibly in combination

> with xanax, is

> exacerbating your anorgasmia?

>

> Vornan

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus

> definitely

> > > point toward a lack of

> > > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> > > climax is most likely a lack of

> > > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work

> harder

> > > for the motivation to push

> > > your body over the threshold. It's sucks

> because

> > > having to do all the mental

> > > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment.

> Have

> > > you tried using tyrosine or

> > > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the

> amino

> > > acid precursors to

> > > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> > > dopamine is the most important in

> > > regard to desire, the other two also play

> important

> > > roles in the biochemistry of

> > > sexual function. I've been taking relatively

> high

> > > doses of both (though

> > > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and

> they've

> > > definitely helped. I'm no

> > > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm

> certainly

> > > better then I was for the

> > > year or so post meds.

> > >

> > > I also find that exercise helps. But you have

> to be

> > > careful not to overdue

> > > it. Over training, or exercising to the point

> of

> > > exhaustion can further over

> > > stress the system and due more harm than good.

> It

> > > can also cause a drop in

> > > hormone levels which won't help matters either.

> But

> > > in moderation it's

> > > definitely a plus.

> > >

> > > I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> > > wellbutrin. This is in

> > > general considered to be a pro-libido med but

> when I

> > > tried it last year it just

> > > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a

> paradoxical

>

=== message truncated ===

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[Guest guest]

Vornan,

Finding this out pisses me off. I guess thats why i

cant miss my meds without having the same tingly

lips/fingers thing and the dizziness. This is

intolerable. COX 2 are a no no, i dont want this

anymore either. I never thought to notice if when i

take more dosage-wise (some days i have more joint

pain) maybe more sexual dysfunction occurs. I begged

my doctor to take me off the zoloft and the

wellbutrin. They are SO against benzodiazepines--he

KNOWS i want nothing to do with SSRI's. I am shocked

to find this out. Please, please tell me something i

can take for my joint pain that would replace

ultracet. I cant to COX2 i cant to NSAIDS, i cant do

celebrex (allergic to sulfa). I dont think my doctor

would switch to something like oxycontin because I

dont think he likes to prescribe controlled

substances. I dont know.

thanks for your help!

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

>

> SOme more on ultracet (tramadol); turns out you are

> still on an SSRI

> :-) (albeit not a typical one) because tramadol is

> an atypical serotonin

> reuptake inhibitor, so you might want to look into

> this more and discuss

> it with your doctor:

>

>

http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazine/27/2/26/7/

>

<http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazine/27/2/26/7/>

>

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dopt\

> =pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=16115263 & tool=ExternalSearch

>

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Display & dop\

>

t=pubmed_pubmed & from_uid=16115263 & tool=ExternalSearch>

>

> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34829

> <http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34829>

>

> Vornan

>

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus

> definitely

> > > point toward a lack of

> > > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> > > climax is most likely a lack of

> > > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder

> > > for the motivation to push

> > > your body over the threshold. It's sucks because

> > > having to do all the mental

> > > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment.

> Have

> > > you tried using tyrosine or

> > > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the

> amino

> > > acid precursors to

> > > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> > > dopamine is the most important in

> > > regard to desire, the other two also play

> important

> > > roles in the biochemistry of

> > > sexual function. I've been taking relatively

> high

> > > doses of both (though

> > > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and

> they've

> > > definitely helped. I'm no

> > > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm

> certainly

> > > better then I was for the

> > > year or so post meds.

> > >

> > > I also find that exercise helps. But you have to

> be

> > > careful not to overdue

> > > it. Over training, or exercising to the point of

> > > exhaustion can further over

> > > stress the system and due more harm than good.

> It

> > > can also cause a drop in

> > > hormone levels which won't help matters either.

> But

> > > in moderation it's

> > > definitely a plus.

> > >

> > > I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> > > wellbutrin. This is in

> > > general considered to be a pro-libido med but

> when I

> > > tried it last year it just

> > > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a

> paradoxical

> > > response to a med that's

> > > supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it

> again

> > > for the past two weeks and it

>

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I will try to think of something else you could take. In the

meantime, what type of arthritis do you have? Have you ever noticed

any return of orgasm when you've tried to come off the drug before?

Vornan

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus

> > definitely

> > > > point toward a lack of

> > > > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> > > > climax is most likely a lack of

> > > > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work harder

> > > > for the motivation to push

> > > > your body over the threshold. It's sucks because

> > > > having to do all the mental

> > > > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment.

> > Have

> > > > you tried using tyrosine or

> > > > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the

> > amino

> > > > acid precursors to

> > > > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> > > > dopamine is the most important in

> > > > regard to desire, the other two also play

> > important

> > > > roles in the biochemistry of

> > > > sexual function. I've been taking relatively

> > high

> > > > doses of both (though

> > > > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and

> > they've

> > > > definitely helped. I'm no

> > > > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm

> > certainly

> > > > better then I was for the

> > > > year or so post meds.

> > > >

> > > > I also find that exercise helps. But you have to

> > be

> > > > careful not to overdue

> > > > it. Over training, or exercising to the point of

> > > > exhaustion can further over

> > > > stress the system and due more harm than good.

> > It

> > > > can also cause a drop in

> > > > hormone levels which won't help matters either.

> > But

> > > > in moderation it's

> > > > definitely a plus.

> > > >

> > > > I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> > > > wellbutrin. This is in

> > > > general considered to be a pro-libido med but

> > when I

> > > > tried it last year it just

> > > > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a

> > paradoxical

> > > > response to a med that's

> > > > supposed to boost energy. But I've been on it

> > again

> > > > for the past two weeks and it

> >

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>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Besides medications, this is a product you could try.

http://www.glcdirect.com/

I lift weights a few days a week, and take this as a preventative

against joint wear and tear. A lot of athletes take glucosamine

these days, and some people claim to have recovered from arthritis

by using it (though it could take several months to a year). GLC

2000 seems to be the best glucosamine product out there.

-- In SSRIsex , lisa hallford wrote:

>

> Wow, that sound like something i should really ask my

> doctor about. I just dont know what i could replace it

> with. I cant take most anti arthritis meds (like when

> i tried vioxx) because my stomach bleeds. NSAIDS dont

> work well enough. Do know what a good alternative

> would be? I would love to taper off ultracet if there

> were something better...

> lisa

>

> --- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

> wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > Just a quick note about Ultracet: it contains

> > tramadol, which has

> > effects on serotonin and GABA.

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

> >

> > So it could interact with both SSRIs and Xanax. The

> > interaction

> > with SSRIs could possibly be dangerous but the

> > interaction with

> > benzos is probably benign. ALso, it appears to act

> > as a

> > mild " antiderpressant " and dependence can occurr.

> >

> > I wonder if the ultracet, possibly in combination

> > with xanax, is

> > exacerbating your anorgasmia?

> >

> > Vornan

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > The restless leg syndrome and myoclonus

> > definitely

> > > > point toward a lack of

> > > > dopamine. Even the bizarre fantasies to reach

> > > > climax is most likely a lack of

> > > > dopamine issue. You mentally have to work

> > harder

> > > > for the motivation to push

> > > > your body over the threshold. It's sucks

> > because

> > > > having to do all the mental

> > > > gymnastics really takes you out of the moment.

> > Have

> > > > you tried using tyrosine or

> > > > DLPA. As you may already know, these are the

> > amino

> > > > acid precursors to

> > > > dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. While

> > > > dopamine is the most important in

> > > > regard to desire, the other two also play

> > important

> > > > roles in the biochemistry of

> > > > sexual function. I've been taking relatively

> > high

> > > > doses of both (though

> > > > mostly tyrosine lately) for about a year and

> > they've

> > > > definitely helped. I'm no

> > > > where near where I was pre-meds, but I'm

> > certainly

> > > > better then I was for the

> > > > year or so post meds.

> > > >

> > > > I also find that exercise helps. But you have

> > to be

> > > > careful not to overdue

> > > > it. Over training, or exercising to the point

> > of

> > > > exhaustion can further over

> > > > stress the system and due more harm than good.

> > It

> > > > can also cause a drop in

> > > > hormone levels which won't help matters either.

> > But

> > > > in moderation it's

> > > > definitely a plus.

> > > >

> > > > I'm interested in hearing about your response to

> > > > wellbutrin. This is in

> > > > general considered to be a pro-libido med but

> > when I

> > > > tried it last year it just

> > > > made me sleepy. This, of course, is a

> > paradoxical

> >

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>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Vornan,

Thanks so much for your time! It is truly

appreciated. I have only just thought about it, and i

have noticed when i take more--when i have more pain,

it is harder to achieve orgasm. It also depends what

part of my cycle as well. Hormones seem to be a huge

factor--with sexual side effects and INSOMNIA more.

Right before i mentruate, i will have insomnia

horribly bad for the couple of days. EVERY MONTH. Like

clockwork. I have never tried to get off the ultracet,

because of the paxil-like side effects when i forget

my meds. The tingling lips, fingers dizziness starts

within a few hours of missed meds. I have tapered down

to 2 in the morning and 2 at night. (from my start

years ago, which was 8 a day)

I got a tick bite and rashless rocky mountain

spotted fever (i think maybe it was lyme instead)

several years ago. This seems to have started the

whole arthritis, myalgia, panic, pain thing. The

rheumatologist diagnosed fibromyalgia--a throw-away

diagnosis at best. My family doctor took over,

dismissed the notion of fibro and instead just

continued treatment for the osteoarthritis. Sore

joints are the worst and mostly in my hands, back and

right knee. They wax and wane with the weather and

just life in general...good days and bad. My new

psychiatrist treats my panic disorder and i now feel

as normal daily life-wise as i have since before the

problems started. I dont worry as much and seem to

have gotten over MOST of the problems i had that

persisted for years. Now its mainly the arthritis

(which is much better with lots of exercise) and pssd,

which has only been bothering me sporadically yet

steadily more for about 3 or 4 years.

thanks again for your time....

lisa

--- " Vornan-19 (moderator) "

wrote:

> I will try to think of something else you could

> take. In the

> meantime, what type of arthritis do you have? Have

> you ever noticed

> any return of orgasm when you've tried to come off

> the drug before?

>

> Vornan

>

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > Thanks for your time in answering my email.

> > > Everyone

> > > > seems to really be smart and trying very hard

> to

> > > > recover from this--if only our doctors took it

> as

> > > > seriously as we do. I guess if it were ruining

> > > their

> > > > lives they might try a little harder to figure

> it

> > > out.

> > > > i doubt they would take ssri meds in the first

> > > place.

> > > > Wow, the lack of dopamine seems to make sense.

> I

> > > > have never taken anything supplement-wise and

> > > > certainly will try your suggestions. You are

> right

> > > > about the over-exercise issue as well. I

> played

> > > tennis

> > > > for almost 2 hours last night, had sex that

> would

> > > have

> > > > been mind blowing, yet the orgasm was elusive.

> I

> > > was

> > > > pretty pooped and didnt even come close to

> having

> > > one.

> > > > Too bad. I feel like i am psyching myself out

> > > > sometimes, yet i try to change my patterns of

> > > thinking

> > > > and it doesnt help much. I read that the

> pathways

> > > in

> > > > our brains like to travel the same route,

> making

> > > it

> > > > hard to change thought patterns...i try to

> force

> > > > myself to NOT think the same

> stuff--worries,etc.

> > > > because its too easy to get stuck in a rut--it

> > > works

> > > > with general stuff in my life--i can stop

> anxiety

> > > by

> > > > recognizing the repetitiveness. Not the same

> for

> > > sex.

> > > > My bizarro fantasies only work once. It seems

> like

> > > the

> > > > same fantasy would work all the time, but its

> just

> > > not

> > > > like that at all. Too bad.

> > > > As far as wellbutrin, i had less side effects

> that

> > > > with other ssri meds. I specifically remember

> > > things

> > > > tasting different. It was much easier to stop

> > > taking

> > > > them. Paxil was the worst withdrawal, but that

> > > might

> > > > be because i was on it the longest...about 2

> > > years. I

> > > > took zoloft for around 8 months, wellbutrin 6

> mo.

> > > I

> > > > remember taking trazodone briefly, then

> FINALLY

> > > got

> > > > switched to Klonipin, which was at least in

> the

> > > right

> > > > class of medications. It was awful too, i was

> a

> > > > zombie, sleepy and completely detached from

> > > feeling--i

> > > > felt like an outsider watching myself

> experience

> > > life

> > > > from a remote, non-feeling place.

> > > > So, i definitely would take meds, i still take

> > > Xanax

> > > > .5 prn and it controls my anxiety without

> making

> > > me

> > > > detached and sleepy. I also take ultracet for

> the

> > > > osteoarthritis. I am leery of starting new

> meds,

> > > but

> > > > at this point i feel like i have taken so

> many,

> > > whats

> > > > one more gonna do? At least what i am on now

> > > doesnt

> > > > seem to harm me unless i DONT get it. Funny

> thing,

> > > if

> > > > i dont take my ultracet on time, i start

> having

> > > the

> > > > same withdrawal symptoms i had with paxil--the

> > > > tingling hands, lips, dizziness. I always know

> if

> > > i

> > > > forget to take my meds--my body tells me. Sad

> how

> > > > physical dependence works. I (of course) would

>

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