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It sems we are all bashing Dads since I have done some meditations on Moms I see some of the defects in Moms that have caused our dad to be the way they were\maryanna

Re: Confusion and Integrity

> > I love you Dad. I forgive all the mistakes and confused choices you > made in the past. I've held onto the story of how you harmed me for > way too long. And it doesn't matter. I love you unconditionally. You > taught me many good things and I am grateful for all of it.> > DougIn looking at this I also had the thought that there are no mistakes.His choices were perfect and I held on to my story for exactly the right amount of time.Doug

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and if someone was killing my child in front of me and i had a gun, i wonder if it would be in my integrity to shoot the one who was hurting my child......

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>"butonlyalways" wrote:>My question is; can someone who is confused (especially when it comes to love)be have integrity?If you don't have clarity, how can you have integrity?If you hit/beat/abuse someone in the name of "misguided attempt at love" are you still a person of integrity?If "your truth" (which is merely a version of "your story") lacks clarity, is there integrity when someone harms another?>I am glad you brought this up and it confuses me too. It came up (this subject of how can someone harm another if they are in their integrity) right after the 9/11 attack. A friend in The Work felt that Osama Bin Laden acts from integrity. I can't find that harming, abusing or hurting someone could be from a place of integrity in me. But because of the Work, I do see that my interpretation of a situation is that I am being abused by someone when I hold the belief that they should do otherwise. I abuse me with my thinking. Without the story - just bodies, voices and sounds.Love,

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I think (just my opinion) that we make it ALL up. That doesn't mean I think it wasn't your mom....most likely it was. When you think of someone, they are with you. Really.

Sorry, the above is not from the work. I am a medium (and that is my story and I am keeping it).

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> When my mother died some years ago I wasn't with her. However at the > time of her death I felt her presence with me in the room. There was > a sense of peace and calm and that she was happy to leave. I felt her > telling me that of course she always felt deeply connected to me but > because of the limitations of the personality she couldn't show me > this.> One could say I made this up - I guess we make everything up - I only > know it was very healing for me and obviously what I needed.> > Love, MargaretThanks Margaret, I don't know if we're simply making it up but I've heard that from many S/sources and it works. "Conversations With God" says we are creating God which is a big flip from God created us. Igt works for me. It feels very freeing and liberating. We are here not to contact, but to become God.Doug

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" Coyote " wrote:

I am a medium (and that is my story and I am keeping it).

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i am an extra large, that will change.

steve

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Great post Sam..That applies to so many things...

" .....There will be plenty of time to think about it later, and there's no

point thinking about it now.

Anticipating events that haven't occurred -- and probably won't -- is being

in God's business.

No peace there. C'mon back home. "

Sam

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If it violates your beliefs to do so, then you would probably be very unhappy no

matter what

decision you made. If someone is killing your child, you don't have to think

about what to do.

There will be plenty of time to think about it later, and there's no point

thinking about it now.

Anticipating events that haven't occurred -- and probably won't -- is being in

God's business.

No peace there. C'mon back home.

Sam

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> and if someone was killing my child in front of me and i had a gun, i wonder

if it would be in

my integrity to shoot the one who was hurting my child.......

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> > " butonlyalways " wrote:

> >My question is; can someone who is confused (especially when it

> comes to love)be have integrity?

> If you don't have clarity, how can you have integrity?

> If you hit/beat/abuse someone in the name of " misguided attempt at

> love " are you still a person of integrity?

> If " your truth " (which is merely a version of " your story " ) lacks

> clarity, is there integrity when someone harms another?>

>

> I am glad you brought this up and it confuses me too. It came up

> (this subject of how can someone harm another if they are in their

> integrity) right after the 9/11 attack. A friend in The Work felt

> that Osama Bin Laden acts from integrity.

>

> I can't find that harming, abusing or hurting someone could be from a

> place of integrity in me. But because of the Work, I do see that my

> interpretation of a situation is that I am being abused by someone

> when I hold the belief that they should do otherwise. I abuse me

> with my thinking. Without the story - just bodies, voices and sounds.

>

> Love,

>

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>

>

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> " Laurie Shuman " <lshuman@t...> wrote:

> > and if someone was killing my child in front of me and i had a gun,

> i wonder if it would be in my integrity to shoot the one who was

> hurting my child......>

>

> Yes, Laurie, I have that question in me and god-willing, may never be

> in that situation.

>

> However, I am thinking about the story in the Bible about how God

> asks Abraham to sacrifice his son by killing him and because Abraham

> is loyal to God's direction he, after much deliberation, is about to

> kill his son and God intervenes, saying " you have proven your love

> for me " . Whew. I have a little trouble with this concept but it

> gives me a glimmer of what total freedom might be.

>

> Is trusting in God completely a story? I wonder.

>

> Love,

>

The idea that God is a separate entity from us and can demand from us that which

we don't

want is more than a story, it is an untruth designed to invoke blind loyalty to

an organization

of men. God is all that is. That's all. And all that includes all of us. No

separation is possible.

" I am that, and thou art that, and that's all there is. " (Rumi, I think)

Sam

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hmmm...when we follow our true integrity it is moral code/ethics in it's

purest form.

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Not sure I accept " moral " codes as a requirement for integrity...will think

about it

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butonlyalways wrote:

> A member recently mentioned that his/her father was confused about

> love then later stated that he was a man of integrity. My

> question is; can someone who is confused (especially when it comes

> to love)be have integrity?

>

> If you don't have clarity, how can you have integrity?

>

> If you hit/beat/abuse someone in the name of " misguided attempt at

> love " are you still a person of integrity?

>

> If " your truth " (which is merely a version of " your story " ) lacks

> clarity, is there integrity when someone harms another?

I agree with the spirit of what you say, but I think 'integrity'

means that you hold a certain moral/ethical code and you follow it

consistently. Consistently also means that you hold yourself to the

same code that you demand of others. 'Misguided' though the father

may well have been, he might still have possessed integrity.

I believe that when the member said his/her father was " confused

about love " the term 'confused' was the member's, not the father's.

No doubt the father thought he was quite clear.

--Warren

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What does a "moral code" have to do with it? Prolly just semantics

Re: Confusion and Integritybutonlyalways wrote:> A member recently mentioned that his/her father was confused about > love then later stated that he was a man of integrity. My > question is; can someone who is confused (especially when it comes > to love)be have integrity?> > If you don't have clarity, how can you have integrity?> > If you hit/beat/abuse someone in the name of "misguided attempt at > love" are you still a person of integrity?> > If "your truth" (which is merely a version of "your story") lacks > clarity, is there integrity when someone harms another?I agree with the spirit of what you say, but I think 'integrity' means that you hold a certain moral/ethical code and you follow it consistently. Consistently also means that you hold yourself to the same code that you demand of others. 'Misguided' though the father may well have been, he might still have possessed integrity.I believe that when the member said his/her father was "confused about love" the term 'confused' was the member's, not the father's. No doubt the father thought he was quite clear.--Warren

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I am getting a virus issue I think off this list.

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Nice Michiel,doug> > Hi all, > > Integrity ...> We're acting what we're are thinking.> That is it...> always integrity.> Believing painful story's, you may call that> "out of integrity", it helps you to undo the story.> Everything what helps that is welkom.> Integrity is never gone, as i see it.> A totally confuse person, is real en honest.> S/he is acting what s/he is thinking.> Beautiful and i love that,> when i am clear.> Everybody is one with themself,> there is no other way, we are that.> To see this, is different.> And that difference you feel as, "out of yourself".> What never can be done.> Your in, "again", very easily ...> feel what you feel, whatever it is. > > Love, Michiel