Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, according to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not ejaculating). The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran my self from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. Do You agree with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Well in principle I like Thibettan Buddhism. And not to impressed with that commercial bit amateuristic website you just showed. I am a bit concerned about the abstinence theory. It seems to popular and simple. A bit like from walnuts your brain works better, and musscles make you sexy, the so called signature theory. Practised by people who have nothing else (better) to go by (such as experience), and therefore just looks at appearance (the similarity betweebn the structure of a wallnut, I think is co-incidental and not designed by God to be as such, or eveolved like that because they happen to have a certain effect on human brains) However, I could imagine that some blood and brain values MIGHT build up, in case of abstinence, and MIGHT- in theory - get things going to levels at a thershold of where they work again, with positive effects on the system. JR --- Decadenz wrote: > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido > disorders, according to eastern medicine, is a long > period of sexual abstinence (not ejaculating). > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the > more I restran my self from ejaculation, the faster > positive improvement may appear. > Do You agree with that? > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or > educational purposes only. It does not provide > psychiatric or medical care. All medications and > supplements should be taken under a doctor's > supervision. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 So, I could have erection, but no ejaculation, or none what so ever. I believe the only difference, if when you ejaculate the prostate gland is doing some of the work. Sorry, but this seems non sense to me. The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, according to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not ejaculating). The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran my self from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. Do You agree with that? This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dear " Decadenz " and Steve and all: OK, I KNOW what Decadenzs' doc is talking about and so do some of you. But for all to know just where the " logic " of this Eastern medical doctor is coming from, I'll be the one to explain (as best I can). In a lot of Eastern societies, there is a practice that is common amongst believers in Eastern ways on not ONLY how to 'cure' any and all sexual dysfunctions, but many practice this sexual way all of the time. The name of this is called " TANTRIC SEX " . Some of you may have heard about the ex-lead singer of the rock group " The Police " , Sting, has 'tantric sex'. It is a VERY REAL subject and not just some fairy tale from the East. With Tantric Sex, sex is used as part of your inner energy called " Chi " . The type of 'Chi' that this is escapes me now but there IS a website that TOTALLY EXPLAINS in almost EVERY WAY how this works. A word of warning before anyone checks it out: If you are not a very open minded person to other types of beliefs and religeons, or are a bit on the 'prudish' side when it comes to sex, don't go there. Here is the URL, just type it in your address box and click " go " : http://www.sivasakti.com/articles/tantra/art09.html I've actually practiced some of the " techniques " myself. I could only do the exercises and the masturbastion ones because I'm married to a born and bred staunch Catholic girl who thinks this is going just a little into the Twilight Zone for her. Fine. There is PLENTY you can do to help yourself sexually so that when the time comes to make love with your partner, you'll be a much better " lover " to them. Now, my personal take since Steve thinks this is nonesense: Steve? You DO have all the signs and symptoms of having an ejaculation, however, you " withhold " your semen from ejecting. I know, I know. The first thing you all are thinking is, " My Gosh! What does that do to your internal organs??? " and/or " How could doing THAT/THIS possibly be helpful? " Like I said, if you read what the website on Trantric Sex has to say, they claim that by withholding your semen, you are withholding your " energy " of sorts. The site tells of different sexual excersizes called " SEXERCIZES " . The site will even appeal to those who may not want to withhold ejaculation, but would like to learn how to strengthen themselves sexually only. Yes, some closed minded folks may get a good laugh out of the site or, if you actually give the 'sexersizes' a try, may find themselves laughing at the ones with the closed minds (I'm the latter)! They also tell (and show as non-pornographic as possible) different mastubatory techniques for both men AND women (you'll see TWO different " links " for sexersizes. On for women and one for men. Of course this site represents not ONLY the sexual energy we have, but explains as simply as possible what some of the Eastern societies have known and practiced for centuries. So you'll discover that it is just like peoples beliefs in accupunture, it is a Hindu- istic type of looking at the world in general with an emphasis on all things SEXUAL. I've only been doing the beginners 'sexersizes', sans the mantra, for two weeks now and already am feeling even MORE sexual healing than just lowering the dosage of my anti-d!!! And here I thought it couldn't get any better! HA! Just give the site a lookover and if you like what you read, give it a try. You'll be surprised! Just one side comment: " THEY " say it doesn't do any harm to withhold your ejaculate. Me, however, tend to disagree. Keeping the body from doing what it WANTS to do just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but KUDOS to those that do it and show no signs of harm. At this point in my " sexual-reawakening " , I just don't think it's a great idea. Aloha, Wayne > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, according > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not > > ejaculating). > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran my self > > from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It > > does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and > > supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Thanks for your link. I give that a try. Just wanted to add another point of view. Maybe there is no energy or secret in semen, and maybe all is to it, is to focus our mind on a whole body experience and not just the penis. Which I don't think it is hard to do. These days, it is very hard to me to use my imagination to get arouse and becomes frustrating. I will definitely give some of the exercises a try. I believe there are many nonsense in the reasoning behind some of the eastern medicine, however, if you look at what it actually does to the body scientifically, and not listen to the energy in the semen and ying and yang, you see the benefits. I have not seen the site yet, (I will definitely look into it). From what you are describing, this is something close to sensate focus. I think the whole idea is to focus on the body and not just penis. -Steve Dear " Decadenz " and Steve and all: OK, I KNOW what Decadenzs' doc is talking about and so do some of you. But for all to know just where the " logic " of this Eastern medical doctor is coming from, I'll be the one to explain (as best I can). In a lot of Eastern societies, there is a practice that is common amongst believers in Eastern ways on not ONLY how to 'cure' any and all sexual dysfunctions, but many practice this sexual way all of the time. The name of this is called " TANTRIC SEX " . Some of you may have heard about the ex-lead singer of the rock group " The Police " , Sting, has 'tantric sex'. It is a VERY REAL subject and not just some fairy tale from the East. With Tantric Sex, sex is used as part of your inner energy called " Chi " . The type of 'Chi' that this is escapes me now but there IS a website that TOTALLY EXPLAINS in almost EVERY WAY how this works. A word of warning before anyone checks it out: If you are not a very open minded person to other types of beliefs and religeons, or are a bit on the 'prudish' side when it comes to sex, don't go there. Here is the URL, just type it in your address box and click " go " : http://www.sivasakti.com/articles/tantra/art09.html I've actually practiced some of the " techniques " myself. I could only do the exercises and the masturbastion ones because I'm married to a born and bred staunch Catholic girl who thinks this is going just a little into the Twilight Zone for her. Fine. There is PLENTY you can do to help yourself sexually so that when the time comes to make love with your partner, you'll be a much better " lover " to them. Now, my personal take since Steve thinks this is nonesense: Steve? You DO have all the signs and symptoms of having an ejaculation, however, you " withhold " your semen from ejecting. I know, I know. The first thing you all are thinking is, " My Gosh! What does that do to your internal organs??? " and/or " How could doing THAT/THIS possibly be helpful? " Like I said, if you read what the website on Trantric Sex has to say, they claim that by withholding your semen, you are withholding your " energy " of sorts. The site tells of different sexual excersizes called " SEXERCIZES " . The site will even appeal to those who may not want to withhold ejaculation, but would like to learn how to strengthen themselves sexually only. Yes, some closed minded folks may get a good laugh out of the site or, if you actually give the 'sexersizes' a try, may find themselves laughing at the ones with the closed minds (I'm the latter)! They also tell (and show as non-pornographic as possible) different mastubatory techniques for both men AND women (you'll see TWO different " links " for sexersizes. On for women and one for men. Of course this site represents not ONLY the sexual energy we have, but explains as simply as possible what some of the Eastern societies have known and practiced for centuries. So you'll discover that it is just like peoples beliefs in accupunture, it is a Hindu- istic type of looking at the world in general with an emphasis on all things SEXUAL. I've only been doing the beginners 'sexersizes', sans the mantra, for two weeks now and already am feeling even MORE sexual healing than just lowering the dosage of my anti-d!!! And here I thought it couldn't get any better! HA! Just give the site a lookover and if you like what you read, give it a try. You'll be surprised! Just one side comment: " THEY " say it doesn't do any harm to withhold your ejaculate. Me, however, tend to disagree. Keeping the body from doing what it WANTS to do just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but KUDOS to those that do it and show no signs of harm. At this point in my " sexual-reawakening " , I just don't think it's a great idea. Aloha, Wayne > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, according > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not > > ejaculating). > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran my self > > from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It > > does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and > > supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, it sounds good, as I said before. Thanks for the link Wayne. The mind thing is one thing. In addition I want to say, that, whether we ejaculate or not, of course may have a huge impact looking at it from a functional point of view: Evolution of course really wants to make sure we do optimise reproduction, so, e.g., you'd expect a difference in brain chemistry even between mating and masturbation. And we definately find that. How it works is another matter. Follow me? --- Steve wrote: > Thanks for your link. I give that a try. > > Just wanted to add another point of view. Maybe > there is no energy or > secret in semen, and maybe all is to it, is to focus > our mind on a whole > body experience and not just the penis. Which I > don't think it is hard to > do. These days, it is very hard to me to use my > imagination to get arouse > and becomes frustrating. I will definitely give > some of the exercises a > try. I believe there are many nonsense in the > reasoning behind some of the > eastern medicine, however, if you look at what it > actually does to the body > scientifically, and not listen to the energy in the > semen and ying and yang, > you see the benefits. > > I have not seen the site yet, (I will definitely > look into it). From what > you are describing, this is something close to > sensate focus. I think the > whole idea is to focus on the body and not just > penis. > > -Steve > > On 5/26/06, Wayne Birdie > wrote: > > > > Dear " Decadenz " and Steve and all: OK, I KNOW > what Decadenzs' > > doc is talking about and so do some of you. But > for all to know just > > where the " logic " of this Eastern medical doctor > is coming from, > > I'll be the one to explain (as best I can). > > > > In a lot of Eastern societies, there is a practice > that is common > > amongst believers in Eastern ways on not ONLY how > to 'cure' any and > > all sexual dysfunctions, but many practice this > sexual way all of > > the time. The name of this is called " TANTRIC > SEX " . Some of you may > > have heard about the ex-lead singer of the rock > group " The Police " , > > Sting, has 'tantric sex'. It is a VERY REAL > subject and not just > > some fairy tale from the East. > > > > With Tantric Sex, sex is used as part of your > inner energy > > called " Chi " . The type of 'Chi' that this is > escapes me now but > > there IS a website that TOTALLY EXPLAINS in almost > EVERY WAY how > > this works. A word of warning before anyone checks > it out: If you > > are not a very open minded person to other types > of beliefs and > > religeons, or are a bit on the 'prudish' side when > it comes to sex, > > don't go there. Here is the URL, just type it in > your address box > > and click " go " : > > > > > http://www.sivasakti.com/articles/tantra/art09.html > > > > I've actually practiced some of the " techniques " > myself. I could > > only do the exercises and the masturbastion ones > because I'm married > > to a born and bred staunch Catholic girl who > thinks this is going > > just a little into the Twilight Zone for her. > Fine. There is PLENTY > > you can do to help yourself sexually so that when > the time comes to > > make love with your partner, you'll be a much > better " lover " to them. > > > > Now, my personal take since Steve thinks this > is nonesense: > > > > Steve? You DO have all the signs and symptoms > of having an > > ejaculation, however, you " withhold " your semen > from ejecting. I > > know, I know. The first thing you all are thinking > is, " My Gosh! > > What does that do to your internal organs??? " > and/or " How could > > doing THAT/THIS possibly be helpful? " > > > > Like I said, if you read what the website on > Trantric Sex has to > > say, they claim that by withholding your semen, > you are withholding > > your " energy " of sorts. The site tells of > different sexual > > excersizes called " SEXERCIZES " . The site will even > appeal to those > > who may not want to withhold ejaculation, but > would like to learn > > how to strengthen themselves sexually only. > > > > Yes, some closed minded folks may get a good laugh > out of the site > > or, if you actually give the 'sexersizes' a try, > may find themselves > > laughing at the ones with the closed minds (I'm > the latter)! > > > > They also tell (and show as non-pornographic as > possible) different > > mastubatory techniques for both men AND women > (you'll see TWO > > different " links " for sexersizes. On for women and > one for men. > > > > Of course this site represents not ONLY the sexual > energy we have, > > but explains as simply as possible what some of > the Eastern > > societies have known and practiced for centuries. > So you'll discover > > that it is just like peoples beliefs in > accupunture, it is a Hindu- > > istic type of looking at the world in general with > an emphasis on > > all things SEXUAL. > > > > I've only been doing the beginners 'sexersizes', > sans the mantra, > > for two weeks now and already am feeling even MORE > sexual healing > > than just lowering the dosage of my anti-d!!! > > > > And here I thought it couldn't get any better! HA! > Just give the > > site a lookover and if you like what you read, > give it a try. You'll > > be surprised! > > > > Just one side comment: " THEY " say it doesn't do > any harm to withhold > > your ejaculate. Me, however, tend to disagree. > Keeping the body from > > doing what it WANTS to do just doesn't seem like a > good idea to me, > > but KUDOS to those that do it and show no signs of > harm. At this > > point in my " sexual-reawakening " , I just don't > think it's a great > > idea. > > > > Aloha, > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from > erectile/libido disorders, > > according > > > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of > sexual abstinence (not > > > > ejaculating). > > > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that > the more I > > restran my self > > > > from ejaculation, the faster positive > improvement may appear. > > > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or > educational === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Hi Wayne, It looks like some of the pelvic muscle exercises at this site work similar to the Kegel exercise methods. Both sexes can isolate these pelvic muscles by stopping and starting the flow of urine. Once you understand how to tighten these muscles you can perform this exercise practically anywhere at any time. The only problem I see in doing these exercises is establishing a regular routine and sticking to it, sound familiar. Contracting > > > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, > according > > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not > > > ejaculating). > > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I > restran my self > > > from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. > > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes > only. It > > > does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications > and > > > supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 But Kegel exercises may cause premature ejaculation - I heard such opinions Re: abstinence Hi Wayne,It looks like some of the pelvic muscle exercises at this site worksimilar to the Kegel exercise methods. Both sexes can isolate thesepelvic muscles by stopping and starting the flow of urine. Once youunderstand how to tighten these muscles you can perform this exercisepractically anywhere at any time. The only problem I see in doingthese exercises is establishing a regular routine and sticking to it,sound familiar.Contracting > > >> > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, > according> > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not> > > ejaculating).> > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I > restran my self> > > from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear.> > > Do You agree with that?> > >> > >> > >> > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes > only. It> > > does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications > and> > > supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision.> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 That is the first time I've heard pelvic muscle strengthing causes premature ejaculation. I'll keep my eye open for material of this kind supporting this. I wonder why that would be. Jaql exercises incorporate pc muscle strengthing techniques. > > > > > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, > > according > > > > to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not > > > > ejaculating). > > > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I > > restran my self > > > > from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. > > > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes > > only. It > > > > does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications > > and > > > > supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 This is an ancient toaist practice.. But there is some evidence that it is healthier to ejaculate frequently. For one, it reduces chances of prostate problems, including cancer: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040408090927.htm > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, according to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence (not ejaculating). > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran my self from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may appear. > Do You agree with that? > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's supervision. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Hey All!-The ONLY reason I put that link about the " Toaist/Eastern medicine " link in here is just for those who haven't OR who have yet to completely understand about their own sexual capacities. I know there are guys out there that would think looking at themselves in a mirror masturbating borders on honosexuality. But it ISN'T. It's for them to understand their OWN body first and how to make yourself discover how to bring yourself to sexual pleasure, find errogenous zones, etc,,, so that when the time comes to share the experience with a partner, you'll better understand how YOU work. That way YOU can have more control over your sexual experiences once they slowly but surely come back after years of your sexual feelings being artificially numbed by SSRI's. I PERSONALLY would NEVER hold or force myself NOT to ejaculate. In fact, years and years ago, I was tought that you could do serious harm to your internal sexual " workings " or " parts " . So I don't recommend that part at ALL. The idea is to realize your full potential sexually and once you know that, things that the SSRI's have done to us MAY stand a much smaller chance of being permenant. Or even take so long to overcome (no pun intended). Thanks for pointing that out Vornan. The LAST thing I want to see is a post saying that Tantric link caused physical damage to someone who was only trying to reawaken their sexual feelings. Speaking of... I think it's been almost 2 months since I've started the TRT and cut WAY back on my anti-d, Celexa. I made love to my wife last night and was STIll unable to achieve an orgasm. I know I was told that it will happen with time, and that is what I'm giving myself as I know I can at least HAVE them. Does anyone think this is at all unusual at this point? I think I read a post in here that said even though all other aspects of the sexual experience had returned, it took about six months to " share " an orgasm through intercourse. Just curious if I'm OK or should seek out a sexpert for counseling. I love my wife dearly and have for 28 years and see no end in sight. I have no desire to satisfy any other female and only have the same " fantasies " as any 'normal' man. I don't want to do anything that would cost us any more $$$ OR make my wife think I don't love her, because, I'd give my LIFE for her. Aloha Wayne > > > > The crucial thing in recovering from erectile/libido disorders, > according to eastern medicine, is a long period of sexual abstinence > (not ejaculating). > > The tibetan doctor, I've been to, told me that the more I restran > my self from ejaculation, the faster positive improvement may > appear. > > Do You agree with that? > > > > > > > > This group is for support, discussion, or educational purposes > only. It does not provide psychiatric or medical care. All > medications and supplements should be taken under a doctor's > supervision. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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