Please check eye pupil size

[Guest guest]

Guys,

I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

in my mind.

Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of the

children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in comparing

the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

of the eye pupils?

Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

what his pupils look like?

Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the mother. My

pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up well

with my interest in the endocrine system.

:-))

[Guest guest]

HU

Darryls puplils are normal size

He does however get enlarged pupils at times at its at this time

he is more social and chatty.

So I get his serotonin has been boosted in some way.

Jo

>

> Guys,

>

> I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

> in my mind.

>

> Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of the

> children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in comparing

> the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

> had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

> like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

>

> So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

> of the eye pupils?

>

> Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

> what his pupils look like?

>

> Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the mother. My

> pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

>

> If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up well

> with my interest in the endocrine system.

>

> :-))

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes would agree people get chatty when nervous.

You would tend to see that on aircraft prior to take off.

So i guess thats a bit of adrenalin being used.

When it gets to the point of scared stupid and you cant talk I guess adrenalin

has all been used up.

Darryl is 9 now..OMG when did the time go ?

My pupils havent noticed will let you know

Jo

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

> > > in my mind.

> > >

> > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of

> > the

> > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

> > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

> > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > >

> > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

> > > of the eye pupils?

> > >

> > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

> > > what his pupils look like?

> > >

> > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> > >

> > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up

> > well

> > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > >

> > > :-))

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

<< My pupils havent noticed will let you know>>

OK let me know when you have a moment:-))

Mine are permanently constricted :-((

Joanne Burke schrieb:

>

> Hi

>

> Yes would agree people get chatty when nervous.

> You would tend to see that on aircraft prior to take off.

> So i guess thats a bit of adrenalin being used.

>

> When it gets to the point of scared stupid and you cant talk I guess

> adrenalin has all been used up.

>

> Darryl is 9 now..OMG when did the time go ?

>

> My pupils havent noticed will let you know

>

> Jo

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Guys,

> > > >

> > > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to

> sort out

> > > > in my mind.

> > > >

> > > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children.

> Most of

> > > the

> > > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > > comparing

> > > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults

> who have

> > > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> would

> > > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > > >

> > > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and

> the size

> > > > of the eye pupils?

> > > >

> > > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> tell me

> > > > what his pupils look like?

> > > >

> > > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > > mother. My

> > > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for

> years.

> > > >

> > > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up

> > > well

> > > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > > >

> > > > :-))

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > Checked by AVG.

> > > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.30 - Release Date:

> 26/03/2009 00:00

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

sorry forgot, eddie, 10 years old

[Guest guest]

Sam's used to be permanently dilated, chelation fixed that, now they react normally, mine too

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hi

is 3 and his are medium sometimes they are big

mine the same medium

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

> > > in my mind.

> > >

> > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of

> > the

> > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

> > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

> > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > >

> > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

> > > of the eye pupils?

> > >

> > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

> > > what his pupils look like?

> > >

> > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> > >

> > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up

> > well

> > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > >

> > > :-))

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.30 - Release Date: 26/03/2009

00:00

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i will keep an awareness of eddie's pupils in the next couple of days, i think i

remember seeing them quite large when he has a fever or die-off symptoms. i'll

post back after a couple of days observation.

karenza

xxxxx

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

> > > in my mind.

> > >

> > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of

> > the

> > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

> > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

> > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > >

> > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

> > > of the eye pupils?

> > >

> > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

> > > what his pupils look like?

> > >

> > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> > >

> > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up

> > well

> > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > >

> > > :-))

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.30 - Release Date: 26/03/2009

00:00

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My Tom is the same: small on a good days and big on bad days.

Liora

:

> > Guys,

> >

> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

> > in my mind.

> >

> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children.

[Guest guest]

Mother: normal pupil size.

2 NT sisters also have unlarged pupil often (they are NT but probably some

toxicity alergies and guts issues)

Liora

> My Tom is the same: small on a good days and big on bad days.

>

> Liora

>

[Guest guest]

could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and people high on soft drugs)

Guys,

I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out

in my mind.

Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of the

children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in comparing

the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have

had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would

like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size

of the eye pupils?

Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me

what his pupils look like?

Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the mother. My

pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up well

with my interest in the endocrine system.

:-))

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DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids

constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

Neno/Natasa schrieb:

>

> could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our

> kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and

> people high on soft drugs)

>

>

>

>

> Guys,

>

> I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort

> out

> in my mind.

>

> Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most

> of the

> children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> comparing

> the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who

> have

> had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> would

> like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

>

> So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the

> size

> of the eye pupils?

>

> Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> tell me

> what his pupils look like?

>

> Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> mother. My

> pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

>

> If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> up well

> with my interest in the endocrine system.

>

> :-))

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> suitably qualified practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big all the time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm very strict with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of opioid reaction in him?> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100> Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil size> > That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids > constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.> > > > Neno/Natasa schrieb:> >> > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our> > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many> > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and> > people high on soft drugs)> >> >> >> >> > Guys,> >> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort> > out> > in my mind.> >> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most> > of the> > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in> > comparing> > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who> > have> > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I> > would> > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.> >> > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the> > size> > of the eye pupils?> >> > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you> > tell me> > what his pupils look like?> >> > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the> > mother. My> > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.> >> > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties> > up well> > with my interest in the endocrine system.> >> > :-))> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as> > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a> > suitably qualified practitioner.> >

[Guest guest]

constrict??

people using drugs have dillated pupils while high (at least was the case in my student days lol)

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: moppett1@...

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100

> Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil size

>

> That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids

> constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

>

>

>

> Neno/Natasa schrieb:

> >

> > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our

> > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and

> > people high on soft drugs)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Guys,

> >

> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort

> > out

> > in my mind.

> >

> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most

> > of the

> > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who

> > have

> > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> > would

> > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> >

> > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the

> > size

> > of the eye pupils?

> >

> > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> > tell me

> > what his pupils look like?

> >

> > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> >

> > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> > up well

> > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> >

> > :-))

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > suitably qualified practitioner.

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, or a drug produced by the body.Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil sizeTo: "Autism-Biomedical-Europe " <Autism-Biomedical-Europe >Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 11:43 PM

constrict??

people using drugs have dillated pupils while high (at least was the case in my student days lol)

> To: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@yahoogrou ps.com

> From: moppett1@btinternet .com

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100

> Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Please check eye pupil size

>

> That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids

> constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

>

>

>

> Neno/Natasa schrieb:

> >

> > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our

> > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and

> > people high on soft drugs)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Guys,

> >

> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort

> > out

> > in my mind.

> >

> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most

> > of the

> > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who

> > have

> > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> > would

> > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> >

> > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the

> > size

> > of the eye pupils?

> >

> > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> > tell me

> > what his pupils look like?

> >

> > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> >

> > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> > up well

> > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> >

> > :-))

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > suitably qualified practitioner.

> >

[Guest guest]

,Dilated pupils are sign of sympathetic nervous system activity, adrenalin shooting through the body.Constricted is the opposite or opioids activating,Subject: RE: Please check eye pupil sizeTo: "Autism Biomedical" <autism-biomedical-europe >Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 11:29 PM

Hi My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big all the time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm very strict with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of opioid reaction in him?> To: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@yahoogrou ps.com> From: moppett1@btinternet .com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100> Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Please check eye pupil size> > That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids > constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.> > > > Neno/Natasa schrieb:> >> > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in

our> > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many> > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and> > people high on soft drugs)> >> >> >> >> > Guys,> >> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort> > out> > in my mind.> >> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most> > of the> > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in> > comparing> > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who> > have> > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I> > would> > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.> >>

> So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the> > size> > of the eye pupils?> >> > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you> > tell me> > what his pupils look like?> >> > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the> > mother. My> > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.> >> > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties> > up well> > with my interest in the endocrine system.> >> > :-))> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as> > medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a> > suitably qualified practitioner.> >

[Guest guest]

My son's are always huge, he is 3.5, mine are normal

[Guest guest]

Dilated pupils means his body is surging with insulin. Opioids constrict.

McReynolds schrieb:

>

> Hi

>

> My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can

> remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little

> constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big all the

> time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm very strict

> with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of

> opioid reaction in him?

>

>

>

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > From: moppett1@...

> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100

> > Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil size

> >

> > That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids

> > constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

> >

> >

> >

> > Neno/Natasa schrieb:

> > >

> > > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our

> > > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> > > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and

> > > people high on soft drugs)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Guys,

> > >

> > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort

> > > out

> > > in my mind.

> > >

> > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most

> > > of the

> > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > > comparing

> > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who

> > > have

> > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> > > would

> > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > >

> > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the

> > > size

> > > of the eye pupils?

> > >

> > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> > > tell me

> > > what his pupils look like?

> > >

> > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > > mother. My

> > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> > >

> > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> > > up well

> > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > >

> > > :-))

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > >

[Guest guest]

aged 11 has slightly larger than normal pupils. I have seen them much

larger and also slightly different sizes (have forgotten what that indicates).

Mine look pretty average.

Luv Caroline

xx

>

> That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit in......Opioids

> constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

>

>

>

> Neno/Natasa schrieb:

> >

> > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in our

> > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case – and

> > people high on soft drugs)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Guys,

> >

> > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort

> > out

> > in my mind.

> >

> > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most

> > of the

> > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > comparing

> > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who

> > have

> > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> > would

> > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> >

> > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the

> > size

> > of the eye pupils?

> >

> > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> > tell me

> > what his pupils look like?

> >

> > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > mother. My

> > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

> >

> > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> > up well

> > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> >

> > :-))

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

> > suitably qualified practitioner.

> >

[Guest guest]

abnormal pupil dilation in autism is almost certainly linked to

overactive inflammatory pathways.

opioid systems are interwined - inseparable from - neuroendocrine and

inflammatory chemokine systems (through calcium pathways), which are at

the hart of " autism "

(this is how/why LDN - an opioid blocker, works for autism and many

other disorders with immune/inflammatory pathologies)

there is a whole arm of science now called neuroimmunoendocrinology,

opioid system is always in their picture

one example http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/full/78/6/1210

>

> Dilated pupils means his body is surging with insulin. Opioids

constrict.

>

> McReynolds schrieb:

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can

> > remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little

> > constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big all

the

> > time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm very

strict

> > with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of

> > opioid reaction in him?

> >

> >

> >

> > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > > From: moppett1@...

> > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil

size

> > >

> > > That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit

in......Opioids

> > > constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Neno/Natasa schrieb:

> > > >

> > > > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in

our

> > > > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

> > > > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case

– and

> > > > people high on soft drugs)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Guys,

> > > >

> > > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to

sort

> > > > out

> > > > in my mind.

> > > >

> > > > Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children.

Most

> > > > of the

> > > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

> > > > comparing

> > > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults

who

> > > > have

> > > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

> > > > would

> > > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

> > > >

> > > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and

the

> > > > size

> > > > of the eye pupils?

> > > >

> > > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

> > > > tell me

> > > > what his pupils look like?

> > > >

> > > > Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

> > > > mother. My

> > > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for

years.

> > > >

> > > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

> > > > up well

> > > > with my interest in the endocrine system.

> > > >

> > > > :-))

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from

a

> > > > suitably qualified practitioner.

> > > >

[Guest guest]

this makes sense to me becuase my son is 9 has asd upto last year his pupils where huge like a puppies, but for the last year his pupils have been small, but he has struggled since last year, lots of yeast/bad bacteria, not sticking to any diet and i strongly suspect gut inflamation, lots of gut issuses enough to halt his biomed program

just thought i would share

melissa easthope

Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil sizeTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:19 AM

abnormal pupil dilation in autism is almost certainly linked tooveractive inflammatory pathways.opioid systems are interwined - inseparable from - neuroendocrine andinflammatory chemokine systems (through calcium pathways), which are atthe hart of "autism"(this is how/why LDN - an opioid blocker, works for autism and manyother disorders with immune/inflammatory pathologies)there is a whole arm of science now called neuroimmunoendocrin ology,opioid system is always in their pictureone example http://www.jleukbio .org/cgi/ content/full/ 78/6/1210>> Dilated pupils means his body is surging with insulin.

Opioidsconstrict.>> McReynolds schrieb:> >> > Hi > >> > My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can> > remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little> > constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big allthe> > time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm verystrict> > with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of> > opioid reaction in him?> >> > > >> > > To: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100> > > Subject: Re: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Please check eye pupilsize> >

>> > > That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fitin......Opioids> > > constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.> > >> > > > > >> > > Neno/Natasa schrieb:> > > >> > > > could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up inour> > > > kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many> > > > similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case– and> > > > people high on soft drugs)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Guys,> > > >> > > > I came across some information yesterday which I am trying tosort> > > > out> > > > in my mind.> > > >> > > > Can

you help me by checking the pupil size in your children.Most> > > > of the> > > > children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in> > > > comparing> > > > the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adultswho> > > > have> > > > had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I> > > > would> > > > like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.> > > >> > > > So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child andthe> > > > size> > > > of the eye pupils?> > > >> > > > Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you> > > > tell me> > > > what his pupils look like?> > > >> > > > Just as

important, I would like to know size of pupils in the> > > > mother. My> > > > pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that foryears.> > > >> > > > If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties> > > > up well> > > > with my interest in the endocrine system.> > > >> > > > :-))> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > >> > > > DISCLAIMER> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as> > > > medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it froma> > > > suitably qualified practitioner.> > > >

[Guest guest]

I wanted to add this other observation from the researcher on PTSD. That

is that to cope with the stress, the body releases opioids. So LDN would

be the thing to counteract that. The question is 'If the body is

releasing opioids naturally, it may be a protective measure. Do we

really want to counteract this before we know why the body is doing this?'

JULIE GRIFFITHS schrieb:

> Agree to all that. With all the knowledge we have, we have to find out

> where this utterly confusing maze starts. I am leaning more and more to

> a stressor, ie. vaccines, antibiotics at a time when the physiology of

> the body couldn't cope with the stressor.

>

> I have a huge binder on schizophrenia and what comes out loud and clear

> is a psychological or physiological stressor and then the adrenals

> crash. Schizophrenia ensues. I refer to this as many draw comparison

> between schizophrenia and autism.

>

> I think the genetic role would be interesting but not when you have

> massive amounts of people developing a syndrome. It's got to be

> something environmental.

>

> There was a super interesting programme recently that talked about post

> traumatic stress syndrome, notably defined as when a person goes into a

> zombie state. Apparently this never happens if a person is enebriated at

> the time of the stressful event. Apparently a stressful event will

> initiate a glutamate cascade. Well I know that alcohol is a

> anti-glutamate. Is it possible that autism is a form of PTSD and is that

> the glutamate pathways were not functioning properly at the time of the

> stressor???? There is a tie up with calcium and glutamate and vitamin D

> (There used to be a good correlation between lack of 'D' and autism

> before sunscreens came in). Too tired to sort that out in my mind at the

> moment. Do you have any ideas in your fertile mind :-)))

>

> :-))

>

> natasa778 schrieb:

>

>> abnormal pupil dilation in autism is almost certainly linked to

>> overactive inflammatory pathways.

>>

>> opioid systems are interwined - inseparable from - neuroendocrine and

>> inflammatory chemokine systems (through calcium pathways), which are at

>> the hart of " autism "

>>

>> (this is how/why LDN - an opioid blocker, works for autism and many

>> other disorders with immune/inflammatory pathologies)

>>

>> there is a whole arm of science now called neuroimmunoendocrinology,

>> opioid system is always in their picture

>> one example http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/full/78/6/1210

>> <http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/full/78/6/1210>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Dilated pupils means his body is surging with insulin. Opioids

>>>

>> constrict.

>>

>>> McReynolds schrieb:

>>>

>>>> Hi

>>>>

>>>> My son's pupils are hugely dilated and have been as long as I can

>>>> remember. He is 4 and a half. Mine seem normal maybe a little

>>>> constricted even? I have always wondered why his were so big all

>>>>

>> the

>>

>>>> time. He has been on GAPS diet for 19 months now and I'm very

>>>>

>> strict

>>

>>>> with it. Does this mean that something else is causing some kind of

>>>> opioid reaction in him?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

>>>>>

>> <mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe%40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>>>>> From: moppett1@...

>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:18:13 +0100

>>>>> Subject: Re: Please check eye pupil

>>>>>

>> size

>>

>>>>> That's what I am looking into, where the opioids fit

>>>>>

>> in......Opioids

>>

>>>>> constrict pupils. Opioids are released by the body in post stress.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Neno/Natasa schrieb:

>>>>>

>>>>>> could also be linked to opioid systems, which are messed up in

>>>>>>

>> our

>>

>>>>>> kids (you know if one smokes pot pupils dillate... Many

>>>>>> similarities btw our kids behaviours – at least in ds case

>>>>>>

>> – and

>>

>>>>>> people high on soft drugs)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Guys,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to

>>>>>>

>> sort

>>

>>>>>> out

>>>>>> in my mind.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children.

>>>>>>

>> Most

>>

>>>>>> of the

>>>>>> children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in

>>>>>> comparing

>>>>>> the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults

>>>>>>

>> who

>>

>>>>>> have

>>>>>> had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I

>>>>>> would

>>>>>> like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and

>>>>>>

>> the

>>

>>>>>> size

>>>>>> of the eye pupils?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you

>>>>>> tell me

>>>>>> what his pupils look like?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the

>>>>>> mother. My

>>>>>> pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for

>>>>>>

>> years.

>>

>>>>>> If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties

>>>>>> up well

>>>>>> with my interest in the endocrine system.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> :-))

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>>

>>>>>> DISCLAIMER

>>>>>> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

>>>>>> medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from

>>>>>>

>> a

>>

>>>>>> suitably qualified practitioner.

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry to be late replying.

As far as I can recall, 's pupils were normal sized as a child and up to about late adolescence when they became large a lot of the time (from about 18 to 22 years). Now, a month short of 25 they are normal sized again most of the time, though occasionally they become large. I always equate large with bad.

Mine are, I think, normal sized.

HTH

Patience

Subject: Please check eye pupil sizeTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 9:40 AMGuys,

I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out in my mind.

Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of the children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in comparing the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size of the eye pupils?

Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me what his pupils look like?

Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the mother. My pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up well with my interest in the endocrine system.

:-))

------------------------------------

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry to be late replying.

As far as I can recall, 's pupils were normal sized as a child and up to about late adolescence when they became large a lot of the time (from about 18 to 22 years). Now, a month short of 25 they are normal sized again most of the time, though occasionally they become large. I always equate large with bad.

Mine are, I think, normal sized.

HTH

Patience

Subject: Please check eye pupil sizeTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 9:40 AMGuys,

I came across some information yesterday which I am trying to sort out in my mind.

Can you help me by checking the pupil size in your children. Most of the children seem to have dilated pupils. I am REALLY nterested in comparing the size in the children to those of the teenagers and adults who have had the ASD condition longer. I suspect constricted pupils but I would like to hear back from a LOT of you to see if there is a trend.

So can you get back to me concerning the age of your child and the size of the eye pupils?

Patience, I believe your son is in his early twenties. Can you tell me what his pupils look like?

Just as important, I would like to know size of pupils in the mother. My pupil size, for example, is super small and been like that for years.

If I can get some input, I have an interesting theory which ties up well with my interest in the endocrine system.

:-))

------------------------------------

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

Eddie used to have dilated pupils but they are normal now. Eddie used to be

extremely sensitive to artificial lighting.

In my 20s (when I was ill with CFS) my dilated pupils were remarked upon. I

think my pupils are still slightly over dilated because I am still a little

light sensitive (though quite a bit improved). I like low lighting in the

evening and lower the computer screen brightness to 0 (and it has a polarising

filter on). We also notice when we turn in that I can still see in next to no

light.

Sandyxx